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| Will the title "Lu Bu of SW" be usurped again?; Seriously, too many strong characters... | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 5 2009, 01:43 AM (2,971 Views) | |
| Divine Kongming | Apr 5 2009, 01:43 AM Post #1 |
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Well, in SW1 Keiji held the title. In SW2 Tadakatsu claimed it. The question is: Will the title go to someone else? My answer: Hell yes, Kiyomasa is getting it next  Please, vote and discuss... |
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| LoW | Apr 5 2009, 11:35 AM Post #2 |
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Tadakatsu's most likely going to keep the title unless KOEI gives Keiji more screen time in SW3. I doubt Yukimura chances since he's usually compared to Zhao Yun. Not sure about Kiyomasa either. He was a fierce warrior, no doubt about that, and maybe he could show his might in battles like Komaki-Nagakute, Sekigahara and Shizukatage. Still, if KOEI were to add Fukushima Masanori as well, I'd choose him instead. This is a hard question overall, though. There are so many candidates for the title so it's hard just to choose one. SWXL showed this by placing Keiji and Tadakatsu against each other and it was up to players to decide who is the ultimate warrior. |
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| Kunoichi.of.Ueda | Apr 5 2009, 02:11 PM Post #3 |
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I would like Keiji to have this title  Tadakatsu is for me the character, whom I don't really like.. Keiji's strange attitude and his Matsukaze.. He fits better for the title "Lu Bu of SW" 
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| Xanxus | Apr 5 2009, 03:04 PM Post #4 |
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i know! keiji was completely forgotten in sw2, he fought for the oda but suddenly in sw2 he isn't in one single battle! i think the title would go to kiyomasa since he is being talked about much more latly and he was a feirce warrior, but other candidates would be masanori and nobuyuki if they get in the game |
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| Mei Ling | Apr 5 2009, 03:09 PM Post #5 |
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Howabout a strong female warrior, does Ginchiyo or Inahime count as one of those? |
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| Kunoichi.of.Ueda | Apr 5 2009, 04:51 PM Post #6 |
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I don't think that Ginchiyo or Ina can compete with Keiji or tadakatsu in strength.. Yes, they were strong, but not as those two in Japan, and Lu Bu in China |
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| Oreadia | Apr 5 2009, 05:51 PM Post #7 |
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| Sanada | Apr 5 2009, 06:03 PM Post #8 |
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It'll definatly not go to Yukimura, he'd only ever get anywhere close to that status for maybe a battle, aka Ueda or Osaka, but he appears in quite a lot and does not fit the strong warrior image close to as well as Keiji and Tadakatsu. I don't know for Kiyomasa, however I suspect it will stick to similar as SW2 had it. In SW2 you had no clear Lu Bu, I would say Keiji was always the stronger of the two, and has his horse, so was the Lu Bu, only thing Tadakatsu had up on him was the theme song. |
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| Kaon | Apr 5 2009, 06:45 PM Post #9 |
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I would say both Keiji and Tadakatsu would both remain being two of the powerhouses in the series. Keiji was part of the Maeda family which served the Oda, then became a hermit until he served the Uesugi later on, and Tadakatsu was one of Ieyasu's loyal retainers who had a legendary history of participating in over fifty battles of being "nearly" unharmed. Having two powerful warriors instead of one makes it more interesting; Even if Keiji has Matsukaze and Tadakatsu with his theme, they both still make an epic rivalry of some sort. Of course, I'd like to see if Kiyomasa was the legend he lived himself to be.  Besides, Sengoku Musou has its own unique history and originality, so it shouldn't be "totally" compared to Shin Sangoku Musou in the long run; In my opinion. |
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| Kunoichi.of.Ueda | Apr 5 2009, 06:59 PM Post #10 |
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We can compare Three Kingdoms period with Sengoku. It's not KOEI who think of of titles, for instance, for Tadakatsu - 'Zhang Fei of Sengoku'. Yeah, even here, u see, that Tadakatsu was equal to Zhang Fei, not Lu Bu |
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| Kaon | Apr 5 2009, 07:03 PM Post #11 |
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It was "In my opinion," dear. I know it's up to KOEI to decide their titles and the comparison between the two games, so I was simply stating my own thoughts. |
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| Kunoichi.of.Ueda | Apr 5 2009, 07:11 PM Post #12 |
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I only said my opinion after yours. The comparison won't end, 'cause many characters are very similiar, in our case, Tadakatsu, Keiji and Lu Bu |
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| Kaon | Apr 5 2009, 07:17 PM Post #13 |
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Okay, I understand clearly now. Stating comparisons between many different, unique characters wouldn't be a good opportunity a to waste. |
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| Kratos Aurion | Apr 5 2009, 07:59 PM Post #14 |
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If you think about it, Keiji is more like Lu Bu than Tadakatsu. Keiji runs around, on his unique horse (Matsukaze=Red Hare) trying to find a good challenge, and doesn't care who he fights/what he fights for *most of the time*. Tadakatsu, however, is more akin to Zhang Fei or Guan Yu. He was the "mighty, loyal protector" of a lord. It even mentions in his bio (SW1XL) that Tadakatsu was the Zhang Fei of Japan. I don't know what KOEI plans on doing with Kiyomasa (assuming he's even in the game) but I think Keiji should get the Lu Bu treatment back, along with his own theme to boot. Tadakatsu could keep his, but I think DW needs a theme for the Three Brothers. Since..they're the "protagonists" of the Three Kingdoms according to Luo Guanzhong. But that's for a different topic. Summary: Keiji= Lu Bu, give him a theme! Tadakatsu= Zhang Fei! Edited by Kratos Aurion, Apr 5 2009, 08:01 PM.
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| ShadowOfBushido | Apr 6 2009, 03:01 AM Post #15 |
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Its undoubtedly going to be Tadakatsu, and stay Tadakatsu.  All the others are NOT as powerful as Tadakatsu. And imo, Yukimura shouldn't even be up there. He's the Zhao Yun of SW
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| Kratos Aurion | Apr 6 2009, 03:55 AM Post #16 |
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..care to back up your argument? |
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| Eni | Apr 6 2009, 05:27 AM Post #17 |
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Unlikely, i do believe Tadakatsu is going to stay being the Lu Bu of Samurai Warriors. After all the hype he got in Warriors i highly doubt his status will be demoted because of Kiyomasa and Keiji. And while Yukimura is Japan's Greatest Warrior, he is just the poster boy. I could be mistaken, though. Oh by the way Chuko, why all the hype for Kiyomasa? I'm curious. |
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| 12elements | Apr 6 2009, 05:35 AM Post #18 |
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I voted Tadakatsu it's most likely. Although I would rather see a three way rivalry between Tadakatsu, Keji, and Muneshige Tachibana assuming he's added. |
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| M.O.G. | Apr 6 2009, 08:17 AM Post #19 |
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More thna likely it will stay Tadakatsu. Especially considering the rivalry they added in between him and Lu Bu in WO. If anyone was going to challenge him for it, I'd say it would have to be Muneshige Tachibana, since he was compared to Tadakatsu. Edit: And give Tadakatsu his friggin horse too. 
Edited by M.O.G., Apr 6 2009, 04:52 PM.
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| Xalfrea | Apr 6 2009, 12:08 PM Post #20 |
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If we go by the "Lu Bu of SW", then Yukimura isn't going to be it. He's the "Zhao Yun of SW". More than likely Keiji was shafted in favor of Tadakatsu due to the fact that Tadakatsu has particpated in more battles. Think about it, in game, he is in the very first chronological stage (Okehazama), and practically in the last great battle (Sekigahara). Coupled with the fact that Keiji IIRC really only distinguished himself in Hasedo against the Date-Mogami, and the fact that SW2 gave equal focus on all 3 unifiers and not just Nobunaga, they had to give the title to someone who could be a threat throughout nearly everyones story modes. Not counting No, Katsuie, Toshiie and Kojiro, pretty much every single non Tokugawa playable character's story has a stage against the Tokugawa at some point (Even Nobunaga did in his dream stage), and not counting Osaka Castle, where there is Tokugawa, there is Tadakatsu. Perhaps that could be the reason why there are only 4 playable Tokugawa characters. Now I don't know much about Kato Kiyomasa, but I've heard that he really distinguished himself in the war against Korea, so even if somehow stages against Korean forces are put in, I highly doubt then that he would do enough to usurp Tadakatsu. Besides, it seems that Koei has pretty much already established Tadakatsu's place as the "Lu Bu of SW", giving him a lot in SW2, pitting him with Lu Bu in WO, etc. And they did give him his own theme already so, I guess that's it. |
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| GoW | Apr 6 2009, 04:25 PM Post #21 |
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Sanada Yukimura = Zhao Yun Maeda Keiji = Gan Ning Honda Tadakatsu = Zhang Fei Lu Bu was one of a kind in history. I really dont think any of these characters match his reputation of ferocity, betrayal, and presence. Dont really know much about Kiyomasa til the game comes out, but I'm gonna say he will probably be the game's Zhang Liao. Edited by GoW, Apr 6 2009, 08:12 PM.
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| theinsanething | Apr 6 2009, 06:00 PM Post #22 |
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Technically Keiji never really had the title in SW1, unless you never bought XL. Keiji is more of the comparitive Zhang Fei, or possibly Gan Ning, like GoW said. Tadakatsu is probably going to hold the position, unless they really overdo Kiyomasa in terms of uberness. |
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| Red Knight | Apr 6 2009, 09:44 PM Post #23 |
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Well, Keiji was "the Wild One" and was the strongest in SW1, so technically he was the equivalent of Lu Bu, at least in the first SW1. In SWXL and SW2(moreso SWXL) Tadakatsu becomes the Lu Bu equivalent, but only in terms of strength. I don't think that Kiyomasa is going to go "uber" though. It'd be unlikely that there's one "uber" character, but there'd be a few strong characters |
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| Johnny | Apr 6 2009, 09:52 PM Post #24 |
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I think Tadakatsu Honda will be keeping this title. He's in it for the long run. It was Keiji in SW1, because there was no Tadakatsu, but now that there is a Tadakatsu he's keeping teh title. Yukmura is a no...he's the Zhao Yun counter part, that makes him teh Poster boy not the Boss....ya know Keiji only held the title for one game...and since SW2, he'w now the maverick, wild warrior etc. Much like Gan Ning. In my opinion, his role as Guardian Angel to Yukimura and Kanetsugu is far better for him than the whole mightiest warriors in Japan... Kiyomasa...forget it. He'll be a favorite, but I doubt he'll reach Tadakatsu/Lu Bu status. Overall, I have to say it's Tadakatsu's title, and he's keeping it. |
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| LoW | Apr 7 2009, 12:32 AM Post #25 |
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For me, the word "Lu Bu" actually refers to character who has the strongest attack/defense power, ultimate weapon and moveset. If I tell my friend that "This guy's the Lu Bu of this game" he immediately knows what I mean. Lu Bu has always been the strongest and cheapest character in DW series. In SW1 it was definitely Keiji but in SWXL Tadakatsu made things more complicated. If we just forget personalities, history, theme songs, horses and all that other stuff, it's not that simple to claim who is the "Lu Bu of SW" . |
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