Will the title "Lu Bu of SW" be usurped again?

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Will the title "Lu Bu of SW" be usurped again?; Seriously, too many strong characters...
Topic Started: Apr 5 2009, 01:43 AM (2,977 Views)
GoW	Apr 7 2009, 01:06 PM Post #26
KOEI Warriors Unifier Posts: 1,757 Group: Members Member #7,496 Joined: May 22, 2007	LoW Apr 7 2009, 12:32 AM Lu Bu has always been the strongest and cheapest character in DW series. In SW1 it was definitely Keiji but in SWXL Tadakatsu made things more complicated. If we just forget personalities, history, theme songs, horses and all that other stuff, it's not that simple to claim who is the "Lu Bu of SW" In SWXL, Keiji was still the strongest character with max attack on his 6th weapon, Tadakatsu was and continues to be mainly a defensive character. And Keiji's MS is definitely more stable than Tadakatsu's with no charges that leave the ground, and a stationary and more consistent Musou. Lu Bu is primarily who he is in these games based on attack power alone. But I dont want to make this another who's the strongest debate, your point is taken LoW



Greenzaku	Apr 7 2009, 01:33 PM Post #27
Grilled fish and tequila Posts: 220 Group: Members Member #19,511 Joined: November 12, 2008 Gender Male	I'd like to keep Keiji as Lu Bu's equivalent. Simple reason: Tadakatsu still has brains left in his noggin, and Lu bu and Keiji are meatheads to me XD Edited by Greenzaku, Apr 7 2009, 01:34 PM.
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LoW	Apr 7 2009, 02:58 PM Post #28
This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore.... Posts: 4,432 Group: Members Member #749 Joined: February 21, 2006 Gender Male	GoW Apr 7 2009, 01:06 PM LoW Apr 7 2009, 12:32 AM Lu Bu has always been the strongest and cheapest character in DW series. In SW1 it was definitely Keiji but in SWXL Tadakatsu made things more complicated. If we just forget personalities, history, theme songs, horses and all that other stuff, it's not that simple to claim who is the "Lu Bu of SW" In SWXL, Keiji was still the strongest character with max attack on his 6th weapon, Tadakatsu was and continues to be mainly a defensive character. And Keiji's MS is definitely more stable than Tadakatsu's with no charges that leave the ground, and a stationary and more consistent Musou. Lu Bu is primarily who he is in these games based on attack power alone. But I dont want to make this another who's the strongest debate, your point is taken LoW I cannot remember their ultimate weapons stats but as for movesets, I thought they were almost equal. Keiji's Charge attacks may grant him better defense and his Musou is obviously more powerful (since it's stationary) but Tadakatsu on the other hand seemed to be slightly better on mounted and he was able to take out more opponents with his Musou than Keiji. It's really a 50/50 for me. But like you said, Tadakatsu relies more on defense while Keiji on offense. Yeah, I'm not either trying to prove who is the strongest . I just want to point out that Keiji and Tadakatsu are almost equal when it comes to strength, defense and movesets.
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Mr_Mathias	Apr 7 2009, 03:21 PM Post #29
Elite Soldier Posts: 33 Group: Members Member #20,968 Joined: February 28, 2009 Gender Male	No way the only character who can hold this tittle is Katsuie Shibata.siince he'S the most brutish character of all in the game.Plus he got a romance with a pretty girl XD. But more seriously Katsui his not flashy enough to be the new lu bu but he'S up for the tittle. Well, actually more then Yukimura is.
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Oreadia	Apr 7 2009, 05:04 PM Post #30
Beautiful and Grace are the most beautiful words from the planet Posts: 551 Group: Members Member #11,385 Joined: November 25, 2007 Gender Male	This is what I think... Keiji = Lu Bu. He is just all that good lol (Yes indeed Tadakatsu vs Lu Bu in Orochi but could the story be like this instead? Lu Bu attacks Leyasu and Tadakatsu protects Leyasu? Zhang Fei and Guan Yu together with Liu Bei beat off Lu Bu, so if we think Guan Yu is Tadakatsu then he can totally be rival with Lu Bu, but Lu Bu is just stronger) Tadakatsu = Guan Yu (Awesome attack speed, short range (I dunno why but I think so so yeah! lol) Extremely slow on the walking speed lol, the lord's bodyguard etc etc) Yukimura = Zhao Yun (Koei did that themselves, so we got no questions asked) Date = Zhang Fei (Talkative, strong and wild) Ina = SSX (Yeah I had to do that, both are the bow goddess xD) however, that a lot of trash talk. After reading a bit on koei warriors I got a clue of SW3 now, on the Wii... well I guess I need to buy a new Wii my old one broke WIIIIIIIIIIIIII! lol I would say the new Lu Bu will still be Keiji if he makes it in this game. Edited by Oreadia, Apr 7 2009, 05:09 PM.
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RedFeather	Apr 7 2009, 05:37 PM Post #31
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Kunoichi.of.Ueda	Apr 7 2009, 06:01 PM Post #32
月お Posts: 244 Group: Members Member #19,290 Joined: October 28, 2008 Gender Female	Lu Bu and Keiji have something in common, for example their attitude. Tadakatsu is always talking about loyalty and stuff, while Keiji and Lu Bu even don't think about it Really, Tadakatsu is more like Zhang Fei. Only Zhang Fei did everything for his brother (well, Liu Bei was a ruler after all, too), and Tadakatsu protected his lord.
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Master Sima Yi	Apr 7 2009, 07:13 PM Post #33
Hey, verrekte koekwaus! Waar kiekte naar, jonge! Posts: 1,061 Group: Members Member #6,628 Joined: April 7, 2007 Gender Male	Where's the love for Musashi? He was the greatest swordsman of Japan, although he doesn't mean much in the Warriors series. I think he is quite a good competetor. I think Keiji nor Tadakatsu deserve to be compared to Lu Bu. Tadakatsu was compared to Zhang Fei, and I do not believe Keiji was prased like Lu Bu. Musashi deserves some love. I do not think he even got a cutscene of him versus any great warrior. Only Xu Huang. Who is definetly not a match for him.
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LoW	Apr 7 2009, 10:41 PM Post #34
This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore.... Posts: 4,432 Group: Members Member #749 Joined: February 21, 2006 Gender Male	I think that's why he's not included. Unlike Keiji, Tadakatsu and Lu Bu, Musashi doesn't use a polearm and he's not a warrior in the same way as those three are. He was an expert swordsman and duelist (he only fought in 2 battles: Sekigahara and Shimabahara, and possibly in Siege of Osaka as well but it's not known for certain). I'd say he's in his own league. Plus, he already has a rival, Kojiro. The reason why he was with Xu Huang in WO2 is because they share the same goal: They both want to become masters of war and they think the best way to do it is through training (that's the reason why Xu Huang's left Wei). Also, there's some quarrel between Lu Bu and Musashi in WO1. Lu Bu even has unique encounter, defeat and slain quotes if you face him with Musashi. Movesets-wise, though, I'd say he's on the same level with Lu Bu, Tadakatsu and Keiji. Effective and cheap (especially in SW2 with his 4th weapon. Too bad Demon element was destroyed in XL).
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theinsanething	Apr 7 2009, 11:01 PM Post #35
Star Puncher Posts: 455 Group: Members Member #20,577 Joined: January 28, 2009 Gender Male	Kunoichi.of.Ueda Apr 7 2009, 06:01 PM Lu Bu and Keiji have something in common, for example their attitude. Tadakatsu is always talking about loyalty and stuff, while Keiji and Lu Bu even don't think about it. But when you think about it, it's the contrasting personalities that can make Lu Bu and Tadakatsu seem like polar opposites, and as such, rivals. Edited by theinsanething, Apr 7 2009, 11:02 PM.
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ZalbaagoftheHokuten	Apr 12 2009, 03:58 PM Post #36
When I say I'll kill you, there's nothing you can do but die Posts: 164 Group: Members Member #10,502 Joined: October 21, 2007 Gender Male	Not one character, in my opinion, can match Lu Bu's character head on. Lu Bu is unique and neither Keiji or Tadakatsu can fill that role. Tadakatsu's personality is polar opposite of Lu Bu's and like others have said his moveset is very defensive. Keiji comes close with his wanderer attitude and his offensive moveset, however, he does not seem like the type to betray people. Plus Keiji is always searching for opponents while Lu Bu is arrogant enough to call himself the strongest. Both I am sure come close to Lu Bu in stats but I do not really see this as an important part of the argument. This is a tough question, and my answer is neither.
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Kunoichi.of.Ueda	Apr 12 2009, 06:04 PM Post #37
月お Posts: 244 Group: Members Member #19,290 Joined: October 28, 2008 Gender Female	theinsanething Apr 7 2009, 11:01 PM Kunoichi.of.Ueda Apr 7 2009, 06:01 PM Lu Bu and Keiji have something in common, for example their attitude. Tadakatsu is always talking about loyalty and stuff, while Keiji and Lu Bu even don't think about it. But when you think about it, it's the contrasting personalities that can make Lu Bu and Tadakatsu seem like polar opposites, and as such, rivals. Well, of course, because they have maybe.. nothing in common, it can be a good rivalry. But here we are not talking about that, i suppose. Who is more like Lu Bu in SW - Keiji Maeda, imo.
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LoW	Apr 12 2009, 06:58 PM Post #38
This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore.... Posts: 4,432 Group: Members Member #749 Joined: February 21, 2006 Gender Male	ZalbaagoftheHokuten Apr 12 2009, 03:58 PM Both I am sure come close to Lu Bu in stats but I do not really see this as an important part of the argument. If stats (and movesets) weren't important, then you could ask why are Keiji and Tadakatsu the only ones compared to Lu Bu. Why not, say, Mitsuhide or Mitsunari aren't considered? The first betrayed his lord and killed him (just like Lu Bu) and the latter was an arrogant person who rarely listened anybody (again, just like Lu Bu). There are many other SW characters as well who could be named as Lu Bu of SW if we only considered personalities and historical backgrounds. Edited by LoW, Apr 12 2009, 07:00 PM.
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Seraphil	Apr 12 2009, 08:17 PM Post #39
The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel? Posts: 3,778 Group: Moderators Member #1,112 Joined: March 16, 2006 Gender Male	I don't, however, see Mitsuhide or Mitsunari being portrayed as these big, super-tough warriors willing to wade out in the thick of things to whack hundreds of soldiers and strike fear into enemies. Going by what you say, Sima Yi is a Lu Bu too. In my eyes, I consider Keiji the closest to Lu Bu in portrayal of strength, while Tadakatsu is more the mirror rival to Lu Bu(which fits well, since Tadakatsu is compared to Zhang Fei, who himself one could say is Lu Bu's rival in DW.) In terms of arrogance, lack of virtue/loyalty and only looking out for himself, Masamune would be my pick as the Lu Bu of DW.
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caocao1992	Apr 14 2009, 10:52 AM Post #40
Elite Soldier Posts: 36 Group: Members Member #21,638 Joined: April 12, 2009 Gender Male	I'd say Keiji would be the Lu Bu equivalent. He's a powerhouse and has a unique horse, and he doesn't care about loyalty unlike Tadakatsu. All he needs is a theme and he's good to go.



ZalbaagoftheHokuten	Apr 14 2009, 10:42 PM Post #41
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MSW-07 Omega Gundam	Apr 14 2009, 11:35 PM Post #42
Primordial Godtype Posts: 351 Group: Members Member #6,979 Joined: April 23, 2007 Gender Male	Though I think that Keiji solely deserves the title of "SW Lu Bu", I say that Keiji and Tadakatsu are two sides of the same coin, i.e. Lu Bu. Both when combined would form Lu Bu statistically: High everything. As for moveset, though Keiji fits the bill, Tadakatsu also takes parts of Lu Bu's MS through wide sweeping motions that knock back multiple targets, unlike Keiji with shockwaves and elemental ownage that also make appearances. But in SW3 they may change the appearances and MS of both so the previous information can be disregarded if that is to be. All I think Koei should do is give Keiji strong A.I. like Tadakatsu and give him his own cool theme song and everyone will be happy...until another topic like this appears in the forums.
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Xuan Zhongda	Apr 15 2009, 12:41 AM Post #43
You're just that bad. Posts: 537 Group: Members Member #21,435 Joined: March 25, 2009	My opinion says...... Keiji=Lu Bu Tadakatsu=Zhang Fei Yukimura=Zhao Yun Kiyomasa=Cao Ren
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RWB	Apr 20 2009, 07:21 PM Post #44
Elite Soldier Posts: 48 Group: Members Member #18,819 Joined: October 5, 2008	GoW Apr 6 2009, 04:25 PM Sanada Yukimura = Zhao Yun Maeda Keiji = Gan Ning Honda Tadakatsu = Zhang Fei Lu Bu was one of a kind in history. I really dont think any of these characters match his reputation of ferocity, betrayal, and presence. Dont really know much about Kiyomasa til the game comes out, but I'm gonna say he will probably be the game's Zhang Liao. Still, no matter Lu Bu's supposed reputation, Ma Chao's supposedly his equal, and it's well known Zhang Fei was the best warrior Shu had. Not to mention how Zhang Fei was also an impressive as heck tactician. Only Zhao Yun can possibly rival him all-round. Kunoichi.of.Ueda Apr 5 2009, 06:59 PM We can compare Three Kingdoms period with Sengoku. It's not KOEI who think of of titles, for instance, for Tadakatsu - 'Zhang Fei of Sengoku'. Yeah, even here, u see, that Tadakatsu was equal to Zhang Fei, not Lu Bu Being the Zhang Fei of Sengoku is more impressive, anyway. Edited by RWB, Apr 20 2009, 07:25 PM.



Divine Kongming	Apr 20 2009, 11:07 PM Post #45
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Mooglez	Apr 24 2009, 09:01 PM Post #46
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Kunoichi.of.Ueda	Apr 25 2009, 08:03 AM Post #47
月お Posts: 244 Group: Members Member #19,290 Joined: October 28, 2008 Gender Female	RWB Apr 20 2009, 07:21 PM Being the Zhang Fei of Sengoku is more impressive, anyway. Maybe, maybe, i don't have something against Zhang Fei, but still prefer Lu Bu. If talking about strength ad so on. Still, Keiji 'matches' Lu Bu personality more, than Tadakatsu.
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Kai	May 4 2009, 10:35 AM Post #48
Iga Ninja Posts: 72 Group: Members Member #20,783 Joined: February 16, 2009 Gender Male	I think Tadakatsu is the Lu Bu of SW. Think about it, he was never injured throughout all of his battles, not even scratched. He was praised by the Superpower of that Era, Nobunaga as a Samurai amongst Samurai. Lu Bu was praised for being a really strong warrior, nobody took that from him in DW, even Cao Cao who hated him so much praised him. Keiji is full of himself and blind with his own power, that probably leads him into defeat alot. Sanada, as most of you said is like Zhao Yun. As for a new Character I doubt it.
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Sanada	May 4 2009, 01:00 PM Post #49
The end has come. Posts: 2,770 Group: Moderators Member #6,211 Joined: March 21, 2007 Gender Male	Okay, I read the 1st page after my initial post and the 2nd page (on the 15 posts per page count) and already I see so many with this comparison, in which I must say... YUKIMURA IS NOT THE F***ING ZHAO YUN OF SW! he is not a posterboy as such, he's not alone within it. He is a spear user, yes, but his personality, traits and everything else, even the moveset as Zhao Yun's move set (at least until the end of 5, 5 being his comparible one) is more basic, whereas Yukimura's is fairly...unbasic They are completly different in those ways. Have a similar build of sorts, both wield spears, both are started on in the character select, but what else is there? both have a sense of honour? So do many other characters between both games As far as the "It cannot be Yukimura" mindset goes. That's incorrect. Maybe if you think about it to far into it then you are correct, however, Yukimura has always been extremly powerful in Ueda. Now, compare Ueda to Hu Lao, both guard a gate, both are extremly powerful compared to essentially everyone else in the game (I believe all Tadakatsu and Keiji's are actually weaker than him from that 1 battle, SW2 wise anyway), and both last it for only that battle. Lu Bu does remain intimidating for others such as Xia Pi, but never has the same amount of power as Hu Lao. Yukimura is only a threat at Ueda, but even so, it is a comparible position
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Seraphil	May 4 2009, 01:19 PM Post #50
The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel? Posts: 3,778 Group: Moderators Member #1,112 Joined: March 16, 2006 Gender Male	Sanada May 4 2009, 01:00 PM YUKIMURA IS NOT THE F***ING ZHAO YUN OF SW! Uh, yes, he is. Even Koei themselves view it as such. Quote: he is not a posterboy as such, he's not alone within it. How is this any different from Zhao Yun? Yukimura is featured as a central character on both Sengoku Musou and Sengoku Musou 2 covers, just like Zhao Yun on DW5 and DW6 covers. Both of them have accompanying characters on the cover. Quote: He is a spear user, yes, but his personality, traits and everything else, even the moveset as Zhao Yun's move set (at least until the end of 5, 5 being his comparible one) is more basic, whereas Yukimura's is fairly...unbasic Picking and choosing your argument, I see. Quote: They are completly different in those ways. No. Somewhat different, not completely different. Nobody ever said Yukimura was a Zhao Yun clone like you're trying to argue against. Quote: Have a similar build of sorts, both wield spears, both are started on in the character select, but what else is there? Translation: Besides everything that makes them similar, what else is there?
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