Will the title "Lu Bu of SW" be usurped again?

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Will the title "Lu Bu of SW" be usurped again?; Seriously, too many strong characters...
Topic Started: Apr 5 2009, 01:43 AM (2,978 Views)
ZalbaagoftheHokuten	May 4 2009, 10:28 PM Post #51
When I say I'll kill you, there's nothing you can do but die Posts: 164 Group: Members Member #10,502 Joined: October 21, 2007 Gender Male	lol Sanada Yukimura is the poster boy of SW series just as Zhao Yun is for DW. There is no denying it.
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Will	Jul 25 2009, 03:22 PM Post #52
God of Death in Gundam Wing Posts: 3,835 Group: Members Member #1,970 Joined: May 16, 2006	Zhao Yun = Yukimura Because they both charge the enemy line yes? and are both loyal to their lords. Kenshin = Guan Yu just kidding Zhang Fei = Honda Yes, brains and strength. Keiji: Just looking for a good fight. I fear Lu Bu,but I like Honda. Honda is a good general and leader/friend in the game, he also isnt arrogrant.



Hondam	Jul 25 2009, 04:21 PM Post #53
轟 Posts: 4,224 Group: Members Member #46 Joined: August 30, 2005 Gender Male	ZalbaagoftheHokuten May 4 2009, 10:28 PM lol Sanada Yukimura is the poster boy of SW series just as Zhao Yun is for DW. There is no denying it. And as there is no denying this, there should be no question that Tadakatsu is the Lu Bu of SW. Keiji was, but lost that status as soon as Tadakatsu was introduced. I really don't understand how this is still a subject of debate...I mean, isn't it obvious? Tadakatsu has a theme song, like Lu Bu, and Keiji doesn't. Tadakatsu is Lu Bu's rival in MO, not Keiji. And those are really the only points you need. Will there be a new Lu Bu in SW3? Personally I doubt it, koei seems pretty keen on keeping Tadakatsu in that place after the numerous games that have come out since SWXL.
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Cerebral Assassin	Jul 25 2009, 04:27 PM Post #54
Battlefield Psychologist Posts: 912 Group: Members Member #22,057 Joined: May 17, 2009 Gender Male	No, Tadakatsu would still be the strongest. This doesn't change in SW2, right ? Even with new characters he will remain the strongest. Edited by Cerebral Assassin, Jul 25 2009, 04:30 PM.
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ShadowOfBushido	Jul 26 2009, 02:24 AM Post #55
暗い光の指揮官 Posts: 1,129 Group: Members Member #16,685 Joined: July 10, 2008 Gender Male	In terms of Strength, I think it'll go towards Honda Tadakatsu
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Kaon	Jul 26 2009, 05:48 AM Post #56
no vain Posts: 355 Group: Members Member #8,897 Joined: August 1, 2007	Just curious, what happened to the definition of Lu Bu who was "the guy who would own you in a few hits," anyway? :\ Then again, having Tadakatsu/Keiji with a strong AI/powered-up mode is a lot better than receiving high damage in an instant.
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LunarLight	Jul 26 2009, 05:55 AM Post #57
we can make a bloodshed Posts: 471 Group: Members Member #20,842 Joined: February 21, 2009	Pretty sure it'll stay Tadakatsu now since they have similar personalities (note similar) and well... I think he's just more fit than Keiji. Keiji is more of a Zhang Fei to me...
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Kaon	Jul 26 2009, 06:03 AM Post #58
no vain Posts: 355 Group: Members Member #8,897 Joined: August 1, 2007	nekromedia Jul 26 2009, 05:55 AM Pretty sure it'll stay Tadakatsu now since they have similar personalities (note similar) and well... I think he's just more fit than Keiji. Keiji is more of a Zhang Fei to me... ...I think you've got it backwards, personality-wise, dear. Although Keiji isn't as arrogant as Lu Bu though... He just enjoys fighting. :\
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DarkDante	Jul 26 2009, 01:39 PM Post #59
The Viper of Mino Posts: 937 Group: Members Member #10,840 Joined: November 6, 2007 Gender Male	I think it's pretty obvious that Koei intented for Keiji to be the original SW Lu Bu, however after the positive reaction Tadakatsu's introduction got in SW:XL, there was definitely a conscious effort by Koei in SW2 to shift the mantle to Tadakstu instead. Personally I think Tadaktsu is more deserving based on his historical achievements, but anyway Keiji still has his own thing going on. Edited by DarkDante, Jul 26 2009, 01:41 PM.
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strategist_jeffo	Jul 26 2009, 04:08 PM Post #60
All is according to heaven's decree Posts: 600 Group: Members Member #4,735 Joined: December 28, 2006 Gender Male	Keiji was it in SW1, had competition in SW:XL from honda, but I still believe he is and will be the Lu Bu of Samurai Warriors. Honda is totally boring and totally overrated. Sanada is just a coverboy and we have yet to know what will happen with Kiyomasa.
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Cerebral Assassin	Jul 26 2009, 04:11 PM Post #61
Battlefield Psychologist Posts: 912 Group: Members Member #22,057 Joined: May 17, 2009 Gender Male	Kiyomasa wouldn't be so strong. If any new guy could be the Lu Bu of SW that person is Muneshige (strongest warrior in the west while Tadakatsu dominates the east).
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Dw_Angel	Jul 26 2009, 04:43 PM Post #62
KW fangirl Posts: 886 Group: Members Member #262 Joined: January 3, 2006 Gender Female	IMO Tadakatsu Honda will forever and always will be the Lu Bu of Sw, he owned it as soon as he poped into sw back in swxl.
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Justine	Jul 26 2009, 08:46 PM Post #63
Elite Soldier Posts: 30 Group: Members Member #21,931 Joined: May 7, 2009 Gender Female	the funny thing about this is that in the WO games i felt that both keiji and honda dwarfed Lu Bu. in terms of pure kill count even characters like Ina and Ginchiyo dwarfed Lu Bu. to make him threatening they had to boost the attack of cpu lu bu.



Crayola	Jul 30 2009, 07:33 PM Post #64
Soldier Posts: 11 Group: Members Member #8,167 Joined: June 26, 2007	There's a lot of silly opinions in this thread. Tadakatsu is the Lu Bu of Samurai Warriors. Choosing the 'Lu Bu' of Samurai Warriors isn't merely choosing the character who has the EXACT SAME PERSONALITY. It's obvious -- Lu Bu is portrayed as a selfish trailer, while Tadakatsu is portrayed as loyal and selfless. Therefore, they are POLAR OPPOSITES. If Samurai Warriors and Dynasty Warriors are viewed as rival series, then Tadakatsu being Lu Bu's mirror makes more sense, instead of having a re-skinned Lu Bu? Where is the Tadakatsu = Zhang Fei comparison coming from? Some of you are getting carried away with the fact that Zhang Fei was compared with Tadakatsu in history. The reason he was is because ZF was one of the most powerful warriors in 3K era who was loyal to Liu Bei, and with the pro-Shu portrayals, that's probably why no-one was compared to Lu Bu, who had no redeeming quality other than his strength. This is just in history. People take things too literally. Now, in the KOEI universe, Zhang Fei is not particularly special compared to other fighters. So I don't know why this Tadakatsu = Zhang Fei comparison is being made. Guan Yu has had a more fearsome role in DW compared to ZF. I don't even need to argue this, because Koei basically agrees with me.



ChibiGingi	Jul 30 2009, 09:57 PM Post #65
Nurturing Spirits Posts: 1,932 Group: Members Member #10,930 Joined: November 9, 2007 Gender Female	Crayola Jul 30 2009, 07:33 PM There's a lot of silly opinions in this thread. Tadakatsu is the Lu Bu of Samurai Warriors. Choosing the 'Lu Bu' of Samurai Warriors isn't merely choosing the character who has the EXACT SAME PERSONALITY. It's obvious -- Lu Bu is portrayed as a selfish trailer, while Tadakatsu is portrayed as loyal and selfless. Therefore, they are POLAR OPPOSITES. If Samurai Warriors and Dynasty Warriors are viewed as rival series, then Tadakatsu being Lu Bu's mirror makes more sense, instead of having a re-skinned Lu Bu? Where is the Tadakatsu = Zhang Fei comparison coming from? Some of you are getting carried away with the fact that Zhang Fei was compared with Tadakatsu in history. The reason he was is because ZF was one of the most powerful warriors in 3K era who was loyal to Liu Bei, and with the pro-Shu portrayals, that's probably why no-one was compared to Lu Bu, who had no redeeming quality other than his strength. This is just in history. People take things too literally. Now, in the KOEI universe, Zhang Fei is not particularly special compared to other fighters. So I don't know why this Tadakatsu = Zhang Fei comparison is being made. Guan Yu has had a more fearsome role in DW compared to ZF. I don't even need to argue this, because Koei basically agrees with me. You can partially blame WO2 for that. Last I remembered, Tadakatsu and Zhang Fei had a cut scene together, and a LOT of people mistook that for 'Tadakatsu is the counterpart to Zhang Fei LOLOLOLOLOL'. Also, their daughters seem to share that little bond (even though I prefer Ina/SSX over Ina/Xing Cai anyday), too, so I guess I can see why some people are more likely to compare Tadakatsu with Zhang Fei than with Lu Bu. Honestly? I'm going with the more obvious answer, that being Tadakatsu as the Lu Bu of the SW universe. The fact that he's always mega super moraled and has his own theme song seems to indicate that. Though, Koei did throw in a red herring, known as Keiji, because he had his own horse, so I guess I can understand why some people would think that (as well as Tadakatsu not being in SW1...) But Lu Bu wasn't the only DW character with his own horse. Liu Bei had Hex Mark and Cao Cao had Shadow Runner, and Lu Bu shared his Red Hare with Guan Yu. So the whole 'Keiji has his own horse' argument is debunked right there (Kenshin and Masamune have their own horses too, in case people forgot).
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Fa Zheng	Aug 3 2009, 07:17 PM Post #66
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Justine	Aug 4 2009, 01:00 AM Post #67
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AzaiSoul	Aug 16 2009, 03:54 AM Post #68
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AzaiSoul	Aug 16 2009, 03:57 AM Post #69
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Captain_Ashton	Aug 29 2009, 11:54 PM Post #70
Soldier Posts: 6 Group: Members Member #21,083 Joined: March 5, 2009 Gender Male	It would be cool it see another character get the title. Then we'd have a 'theme of Kiyomasa' or 'theme of Yukimura' rather than a remix of Tadakatsu's theme. Edited by Captain_Ashton, Aug 30 2009, 12:06 AM.
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Sanada	Aug 29 2009, 11:55 PM Post #71
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Burning Devil Scholar	Sep 15 2009, 06:07 PM Post #72
What Do You Fight For? Posts: 854 Group: Members Member #14,759 Joined: April 15, 2008 Gender Male	I would love Keiji to have it in all honesty . Tadakatsu is really strong too though, but more as a warriors. I mean, Lu Bu is a warrior too like, but Keiji in SW3 appears to be wearing make-up across his eyes and stuff, wild man. Either way though, neither can stand up to the Bu . Edited by Burning Devil Scholar, Sep 15 2009, 06:08 PM.
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Amakusa	Sep 15 2009, 09:42 PM Post #73
General Posts: 223 Group: Members Member #8,248 Joined: July 1, 2007	Crayola Jul 30 2009, 07:33 PM There's a lot of silly opinions in this thread. I don't even need to argue this, because Koei basically agrees with me. Such is the voice of authority, huh. By the way, supposedly Tadakatsu got the title 'the Japanese Zhang Fei' for holding off a much larger army with fewer men, which harkens back to Zhang Fei's claim to fame, the 'bridge yell' at Chang Ban. That's pretty much the only reason to compare the two. In the Koei universe the only other thing they've got in common is their daughters are also playable characters, so they're also fathers.



RWB	Sep 16 2009, 07:01 PM Post #74
Elite Soldier Posts: 48 Group: Members Member #18,819 Joined: October 5, 2008	Amakusa Sep 15 2009, 09:42 PM Crayola Jul 30 2009, 07:33 PM There's a lot of silly opinions in this thread. I don't even need to argue this, because Koei basically agrees with me. Such is the voice of authority, huh. By the way, supposedly Tadakatsu got the title 'the Japanese Zhang Fei' for holding off a much larger army with fewer men, which harkens back to Zhang Fei's claim to fame, the 'bridge yell' at Chang Ban. That's pretty much the only reason to compare the two. In the Koei universe the only other thing they've got in common is their daughters are also playable characters, so they're also fathers. To the best of my knowledge Tadakatsu got the title because he was a talented tactician as well one of the best warriors of his era, much like the real Zhang Fei(the one that isn't moronified to make Kongming look great and steal his accomplishments). Zhang Fei is said to have been the best fighter Shu had. Also one of their better tacticians. That's what the similarity between him and Tadakatsu is. EDIT: Looked around and found out you were right. Heh. Edited by RWB, Sep 16 2009, 07:05 PM.



Skode	Sep 20 2009, 02:47 AM Post #75
Scottish Samurai Posts: 713 Group: Members Member #12,998 Joined: January 31, 2008	Well it only took one look at the video KOEI released as a teaser to signify that Honda is the beast of the game once more - nothing quite like a compliment to the man where you see him fighting off two of the other warriors single handed in a cutscene (that and after hyping him furthermore in the WO series since he appeared in SWXL and SW2 means they really consider him as the SW equivalent of Lu Bu).



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