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Sengoku Basara 3: Where is it?; A Sengoku Basara 3 discussion series.
Topic Started: Sun Apr 5, 2009 6:24 pm (583 Views)
Matsunaga Hisahide
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With the start of the beautiful SB anime(damn, itīs really good) and the soon coming Battle Heroes...the only thing thatīs missing in the Sengoku Basara universe...is a Sengoku Basara.

What do you think is the reason for the lack of a new Sengoku Basara?

The first came out on a 27th July.
The second on a 27th July.
Then over one year nothing.
And now the 27th July 2009 is soon here.

Do you even think SB3 will come out this year? Whatīs the reason for the late release?
Will they change/add that much that it takes such a long time to make it, or has SB become a small project that doesnīt need much attention?
Did they even work on SB3, or just focus on SBX, the anime and Battle Heroes?

Whatīs your opinion?
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i doubt they have any "focus" or anything to do with SBX anymore for a while,which is sad,really

the anime is a nice diversion tactic so fans does not whine about a new SB game soon(which apparently doesnt work for you,well at least BK was fooled>.<)

i think they are trying to focus on Battle heroes instead for now,but who knows?its capcom we're talking about,the one that have a reverse logic of making a 2d game out of a 3d game>.<
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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Hmmm...I was just wondering. I mean they made much fuss about the poll which character weīd like to see the most in the new SB.

Mitsunari won...were is he?
There have been one expansion, one 2D Beatīem Up, a BASARA anime and a new PSP spin off since the poll...heīs not here.

I just hope it comes out sometime soon(well around July 2009 till December 2009 is okay) but allmost 2 years without a new BASARA game is just too much. Itīs not a GTA or a Final Fantasy weīre talking about.

And I really donīt think they will change or add that much that it takes them this long...and if they make it for the PS3 and have to make a new engine blah blah blah, they allready have worked a long time with it(look at Resident Evil 5, they should be able to make a BASARA game)

I just wonder whatīs taking them so long...I hope they wonīt drop it...nah...just... :ph43r:
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Wait... what? since when did I get 'fooled'? For enjoying the anime so I could care less for a new game for the time being? :crazy: That does not make sense at all! :realangry: But that's also because I won't be getting SBBH.... :hmmm:

Anyway, I guess they'd want to release SB3 with a big bang. You know, the time gap between 1 & 2 was just one year, and what they added were story modes but just 5 1/2 new playable characters. (Well, Musashi was utterly incomplete after all) Then the expansion was out 4 months later, and they finally made the remaining NPCs into PCs. (Which is 3 + 2/3 + 4*1/2 = 5 2/3)

And for the next game, not only they have to add more brand-new characters, but they will have to complete the moveset of the incomplete characters, think about the new storylines for each characters, and many other upgrades. Plus with the spinoffs they have obviously put SB3's release further to give chance for these spinoffs to shine.

Anyway, I'm still on my wishful thinking that at the end of the SB anime they would finally announce SB3, which if we follow the tradition for Capcom games, have at least 6 month difference between the first announcement and the release date, so probably it might be released in winter if that's true. :]
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LOL,just kidding about the fooled part>.<,but at least the anime does keep the emo feeling away since you're not going to get battle heroes....>.<
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What do you think is the reason for the lack of a new Sengoku Basara? ... Whatīs the reason for the late release?


There's probably more than just one reason that bears mentioning. Here are the three that I could probably name of the top of my head that may be the main incentives.

1) Shin Sangoku Musou 5/Dynasty Warriors 6's bomb-a-ton. It should go without saying that DW6 not meeting Koei's sales expectations would probably be the main reason that Capcom has not immediately given us BASARA 3. Look at Koei now, stammering about, trying to do whatever they can in order to find a new "voice" for the Musou series. Capcom didn't want to unleash a BASARA 3 that would have met with a similar fate, so that's probably a good reason why Capcom and Kobyashi were willing to wait a lil while longer.

2) Sengoku Musou/Samurai Warriors 3. With Koei now poised to unveil the third title to their own game based on the Sengoku Jidai any day now, and then release it, Capcom can afford to bide their time even further, and see how their "rival" does on the marketplace. Depending on well they do, that may serve to make Capcom either hasten their plans, or possibly hold it back some more, for whatever reason.

3) Monster Hunter Tri. This upcoming title may even be more of a poignant reason, for Capcom's sake, than possibly the other two listed above. More than likely, Capcom didn't want to risk the notion of one title getting completely over-shadowed by the other, so they were willing to let MH3 have its time in the sun. With MH3 planned to be released some time this summer, that would mean that its marketing blitz is coming to a conclusion. With that much said, along with Sengoku BASARA Battle Heroes would have already been out for a couple of months by that point, I would think that would be the proper time to start the BASARA 3 hype-train (if not sooner).


In any case, I have good reason to believe that, if not released by this year, we'll finally get REAL info regarding SB3 this year, with a release date by probably Winter 09/10 season. All signs seem to point to that much, thanks to the start of the BASARA hype train, through the PSP game, the anime, card game tie-in, and possibly more to come.

So, I say, just be patient. After all, I would think, the fact that they have NOT been just pumping out BASARA games with reckless abandon, and been doing things like giving it an anime series, implies that Capcom is ready for BASARA to take its proper place in the Capcom pantheon, and SB3 will be the game that truly showcases that much. But these kinds of things do indeed take time, so hopefully, it's been well spent.

After all, even a number of Capcom's other hallmark series have had "breaks" in between the action. For example, those of us who are Rockman fans *looks in Kite's direction* are probably familiar with the notion of how there's a good-sized "Rockman drought" going on now. MM9 was the one oasis that really helped tide us over, but again, that was one game. All eyes are waiting for Capcom to tell us more about what the "contest" they poised two months ago was all about, but until then, we of the cult of Blue Bombers, too, have to wait.

If Rockman, who by all means is Capcom's main man/mascot, is taking a breather, and causing his fans to have to have to just wait it out patiently, surely, a fairly new face, like the BASARA brand, can do as such too. Especially if it will all be worth it in the end...
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I believe Capcom is still concentrating on Battle Heroes...and I won't be surprised if there are "surprises" in SBBH like some new characters or even a trailer.Also,I wouldn't be surprised if shortly after SBBH is released,they'll release SB3.

Still,Capcom still has another reason of the delay.They might be waiting for Samurai Warriors 3 to be released before releasing SB3 and see how Koei does.

And Im sure Koei is on the way to release Samurai Warriors 3.Obviously,Koei isn't waiting for Capcom.If they do,both sides will wait forever which is utterly impossible.Players will complain and they'll lose their fans which might lead to rushing of making the game.And then they'll receive more complains.

I suggest that we should just wait and see what happens in the next few months.As Devilsking says,SB and SB2 are released on a 27th July.We should wait till that date and I believe Capcom does not want to disappoint their fans.And I believe that once it passes the 27th July 2009 and SB3 is not released,people will start complaining.I hope it won't happen;it'll have bad outcomes.


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SW3...well...wouldnīt it be a good strategy to just release SB3 before SW3?

So to say, SW3 will come out...well it will come out....sometime... <_<

That means, my money is itching to buy a new Hackīn Slash game.
I have WOZ now(YAY ITīS HERE :P )but then?

It would be rather questionable to wait and let the enemy make the first move. Now that the animes here, the psp game is here, the merchandise is here...isnīt that the perfect time to announce a new NEXT GEN BASARA?

Thanks to the anime, some will start to look for the game, but that will they find? "OLD GEN"-games(though they are good) and some spin offs. Not what I would want to buy with a next gen console.

The PSP game is a nice "for the go game" but nothing serious, so fans off the series will turn their eyes of BASARA after the anime.

Even though itīs good that they improve the quality...itīs been or 2 years(or allmost) since BASARA 2.
If they release it end of 2009 they have 2 and a half year time.(ok they had some spin-offs and the anime, but still, thatīs a long time)

Itīs enough time to make a good game, the right time to release the game.

CAPCOM isnīt the type to wait and see how it goes.
They released an old 8-BIT game, although everyone "was on the next gen wave"(publishers, studios and gamers, myself not included) but it sold like pancakes.

I guess waiting for how SW3 sells, is not a reason for the late release. :huh: (though it might be possible)
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SW3...well...wouldn't it be a good strategy to just release SB3 before SW3?


Not necessarily.

The fact is, because the two games series are still are more overtly similar than they are not, it would probably behoove Capcom to just let Koei go first. That way, not only do they do they allow Koei to have the option of sticking their neck out first, but they also wouldn't have to worry about putting a game, only for sales to be culled once Koei released their own 3rd Sengoku game.

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isnīt that the perfect time to announce a new NEXT GEN BASARA?


Oh, sure, ANNOUNCE the game. I'm not disputing that, and I already made several instances to actually support the notion, above and in other posts. But, again, RELEASING it is something different altogether. Proper timing is everything.

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The PSP game is a nice "for the go game" but nothing serious, so fans off the series will turn their eyes of BASARA after the anime.


Actually, you shouldn't underestimate the power of the PSP.

The PSP is what really did a lot to give the Monster Hunter brand the power it has over Japanese gamers' hearts and minds. Likewise, the Monster Hunter brand is what really gave the PSP a "voice", after so many years of struggling in the DS's shadow.

So, I'm not about to say that BASARA and PSP are bound to make the same results happen again, but between BH's "Versus friendly" mechanics (thanks to utilizing the GvG formula in an interesting fashion), and it being the "new" BASARA game, it should do a lot to help keep interest alive, until whenever Capcom can announce, and then RELEASE SB3.

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CAPCOM isn't the type to wait and see how it goes.


You'd be surprised just how true the opposite of your statement is. :hehe:

Back in the day, Capcom was willing to wait and see just how the market was going, when it came to the N64 vs. PSX, to see which was more "worthy" of their attention. By the time Squaresoft released FFVII, and really did much to change the name of the game, the answer was just as clear as day. Then Capcom shifted focus away from Nintendo development, after so many years, and went to the PSX, followed by PS2 in due time.

However, the PS3 not exactly doing as much to follow in the foresteps of its "father" and "grandfather", did a lot to change the name of the game. Monster Hunter 3 was announced as a PS3 game, many moons ago. It then got changed over to the Wii, for a number of reasons (moneyhats and the high cost of developing such a game on a HD console are the most popularly cited reasons). Then Shin Sangoku Musou 5 (DW6) did not perform as well on the market, as I listed above.

So, all that to say is, Capcom definitely IS the type who is willing to try Ieyasu's approach to the market, when it's fitting to them.

Again, everything points to the notion that they're ready and willing to make sure that BASARA takes its proper place in the Capcom pantheon. But in order to ensure that type of victory, it's gotta be done RIGHT, in as many facets as possible.

That's why, personally, I would not at all be surprised at, nor all that opposed to, the notion of the game being released towards the end of the year. Believe me, I want to play a 3rd BASARA title as much as the next red/hot-blooded fan. But the more logical/reasonable side of me would rather they do it right, than just rush it out.
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The PS3 outsold the Wii in japan this month, by a "big number".(thanks to Yakuza 3 and the fact that everyone has a Wii allready :rolleyes: )

But still, itīs a sign that itīs going up. And since their main target is Japan CAPCOM could consider this to ANNOUNCE the game.

I see your points(still the PSP brawler will not last that long, sadly...itīs only a brawler) that it will not be released soon(I still think...or hope itīll be a 2009 release)

But they could announce somthing around July. Take up a site and update it like allways till around one month before the release, then advertise like itīs the end of the world(and release the anime on Blue-Ray/DVD), get the game out around christmas, before KOEIīs SW, the PS3 has sold even more till there thanks to FFXIII, Yakuza 3, Katamari Damacy and other games...thatīs a good plan.

Weīll have something to talk thanks to the updates and keep our eyes on BASARA, they still have time to add/remove things, more gamers in Japan and around the world will own the PS3(again tanks to certain games and price drops, etc.), they will buy more thanks to christmas and the fact that SW3 isnīt out.

That would be good. But I have the bad feeling youīre right and itīll be released 2010...but damn...thatīs pretty late..sucha long wait...too long...just too long.
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The PS3 outsold the Wii in japan this month, by a "big number".(thanks to Yakuza 3 and the fact that everyone has a Wii allready :rolleyes: )


Yeah, that was actually quite an impressive milestone. I was very "proud" to see that. :D

...Then I reminded myself, through the help of GAF, that the entirety of the Wii Fit units sold YTD is more than the entirety of the PS3 units sold in its very lifetime. :hehe:

So, all that to say, I STILL don't see BASARA 3 becoming a HD/PS3 title. I could be wrong, but it just doesn't seem that way. Not when, the main audience for BASARA is still basically between the "shounen" age group (boys aged elementary through middle/jr high school) and crazed, yaoi-luvvin' fangirls, who can't get enough of seeing their favorite BASARA studs struttin' their stuff. Both, of which, are more likely to own a Wii than a PS3. If Capcom is truly going to leave the PS2-era behind with SB2 Heroes/SB:BH, then, easily, the Wii is the next logical step, if they want to try and keep the BASARA fanbase happy, and more importantly, able to play their upcoming release.

Besides, if nothing else, a Wii release may translate to a better possibility of a PSP port (or, otherwise, a PSP game utilizing assets from that Wii title), in the future. If SB:BH does indeed perform well on the market, then obviously, there will be more consideration to put more BASARA titles on that portable. That alone, may give Capcom all the more incentive to utilize the Wii as the next logical step for their up and coming BASARA series, just like they're doing with Monster Hunter Tri.

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That would be good. But I have the bad feeling youīre right and itīll be released 2010...but damn...thatīs pretty late..sucha long wait...too long...just too long.


Again, I can understand the pain. But, to me, a long wait that yields a better product, will be much preferred than something that's rushed for the sake of a Holiday milestone or whatever.

So, take it from ol boy Ieyasu. Patience is indeed a nice virtue to embrace, in times like this. ^_^

And besides, I think that SB:BH may have longer value than some give it credit for. After all, while there is a nice bit of story mode, daibudokai and missions to go through, the main attraction that they're focusing on is the "Vs" portion. 1 v 1 or 2 v 2, it could stand to be a nice thing that could get JP PSP owners to stop playing Monster Hunter or G v G, if it takes off correctly. :hehe:
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Yea, they should have been working on Basara3 to go along with the anime. The anime is awesome they should have had a muli-platform release.

IMHO Capcom dropped the ball.
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