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What happens after death?; To you.
Topic Started: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:54 am (2,085 Views)
Godlikephoenix
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DrewTheDude-Dono
Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:23 am
Let me ask you this - why would anyone worship a god at all?
I believe that would be a question worth its own thread, instead of filling this one with it.
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Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:38 am
DrewTheDude-Dono
Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:23 am
Let me ask you this - why would anyone worship a god at all?
I believe that would be a question worth its own thread, instead of filling this one with it.
Indeed, a thread that can be found right here.

If you really must continue this discussion, feel free to PM either GLP or me and we'll transfer your posts to the mentioned topic.
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You live, die and then drunken idiots piss on your grave
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I believe that when you die, you cease to exist. There's no little place for souls to go, you're not a ghost, you're just gone. I mean, otherwise, I'm screwed, because if Heaven and Hell do exist, I'm definitely going to hell. D:
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HimikoIsKickin'
Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:51 pm
I believe that when you die, you cease to exist. There's no little place for souls to go, you're not a ghost, you're just gone. I mean, otherwise, I'm screwed, because if Heaven and Hell do exist, I'm definitely going to hell. D:
Ha I definitely agree with you there. Though why would you go to hell if it did exist?
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Spooky Electric
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Nothing. Is that a sufficient answer?

Actually, I truly don't know what I believe. I don't believe in heaven or hell, but I'm uncertain about ghosts. Our extended family (aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents etc) on my mother's side have had many encounters with what they've believed were ghosts. Three examples of such occurences are like, my aunt's house was supposed to be haunted. I remember hearing about one of their daughter's dolls laughing at night, with a sinister look on its face. I remember my cousin's stereo turning on at night, and still played after they unplugged it. There's a photo a my mom, sister, aunt and her partner took where you can see some evil eyes right behind them. Not light bent in a way that it would resemble eyes, but actually people's eyes, large and intense, right behind them.

I've never been around such events. The only personal experience I could recall is when I was like, 10. I was asleep, and I suddenly felt a STRONG punch on my back. I woke up and yelled, thinking it was my sister. When my eyes opened, there was no one there. I ran to her room, but she was soundly asleep. I never found out who/what hit me. Also, I would frequently here voices and footsteps when I knew I was home alone. So, while I try not to be superstitious, I really don't know what to believe.

But do I believe in judgment, heaven and hell? No, there's nothing anyone has said or written that makes that seem plausible.

And to think, I was only going to write one word. :P
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Jsun
Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:11 pm
HimikoIsKickin'
Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:51 pm
I believe that when you die, you cease to exist. There's no little place for souls to go, you're not a ghost, you're just gone. I mean, otherwise, I'm screwed, because if Heaven and Hell do exist, I'm definitely going to hell. D:
Ha I definitely agree with you there. Though why would you go to hell if it did exist?
Well what merits a sentence to Hell changes from religion to religion, but my mother's side of the family is Catholic, so my grandparents tried to instill Catholic values and whatnot into me when I was younger. The Catholic god is a frightening and unforgiving one, and I'm no saint. But no matter which religion is the 'true religion', if there is one then I figure I'm going to hell for not picking the right one.

And Spooky Electric, that's some pretty creepy stuff going on :OMG:
There's a ghost stories thread, you should post there xD
Edited by HimikoIsKickin', Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:08 pm.
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Jsun
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:23 pm
I've never been around such events. The only personal experience I could recall is when I was like, 10. I was asleep, and I suddenly felt a STRONG punch on my back. I woke up and yelled, thinking it was my sister. When my eyes opened, there was no one there. I ran to her room, but she was soundly asleep. I never found out who/what hit me. Also, I would frequently here voices and footsteps when I knew I was home alone. So, while I try not to be superstitious, I really don't know what to believe.
I've had many dreams like this before. They are very lucid and often feel very real at times like your actually feeling pain, but you're not. I remember a dream last year I was walking down a street in Iraq and some guy with an AK-47 was shooting at me on a bicycle. I ducked and tried to cover myself from the barrage of bullets. Then I felt the barrel of the gun on my head and a big shot hit my skull. I almost woke up instantly cause it felt like I actually got shot in the head. Pretty scary stuff.

I often take Melatonin to help me go to sleep, but it makes your dreams more lucid and real. Just the other day I was getting hit by a go-kart and jumping into a 20 ft trench.

Anyways, if I do die I hope I get launched into space, put up for display at a museum, or be made into a life-size statue.
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I often take Melatonin to help me go to sleep, but it makes your dreams more lucid and real. Just the other day I was getting hit by a go-kart and jumping into a 20 ft trench.

Sounds fun, I need to get myself one of those. Sleep is boring, might as well make it interesting.
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Holy crap, Jsun, you have dreams like that? :OMG: I hardly ever dream, but when I do, I'm swinging on buildings like spider man of something, not getting shot in Iraq. Now I'm kinda glad it doesn't happen often.
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Jsun
Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:02 pm
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:23 pm
I've never been around such events. The only personal experience I could recall is when I was like, 10. I was asleep, and I suddenly felt a STRONG punch on my back. I woke up and yelled, thinking it was my sister. When my eyes opened, there was no one there. I ran to her room, but she was soundly asleep. I never found out who/what hit me. Also, I would frequently here voices and footsteps when I knew I was home alone. So, while I try not to be superstitious, I really don't know what to believe.
I've had many dreams like this before. They are very lucid and often feel very real at times like your actually feeling pain, but you're not. I remember a dream last year I was walking down a street in Iraq and some guy with an AK-47 was shooting at me on a bicycle. I ducked and tried to cover myself from the barrage of bullets. Then I felt the barrel of the gun on my head and a big shot hit my skull. I almost woke up instantly cause it felt like I actually got shot in the head. Pretty scary stuff.

I often take Melatonin to help me go to sleep, but it makes your dreams more lucid and real. Just the other day I was getting hit by a go-kart and jumping into a 20 ft trench.

Anyways, if I do die I hope I get launched into space, put up for display at a museum, or be made into a life-size statue.
I want this Melatonin... is it prescription?

I rarely dream, and when i do they are really crappy.... like me not being able to find ravioli in a supermarket...... they're just dumb....

I also have trouble sleeping at night... i really like the sound of this stuff, do tell.
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Sorry to get this off-topic, but Melatonin can be purchased anywhere. It works wonders with sleeping and helps protect your skin from the cancer somewhat. You don't need a prescription either cause it's like the advil for sleeping.

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/tc/melatonin-overview


Anyways, the question for this topic really can't even be answered obviously, but can only be hypothesized.
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Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:52 am
Anyways, the question for this topic really can't even be answered obviously, but can only be hypothesized.
Through the power of philosophy!

Because Knowledge is power!
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Removed - Off-topic.
Edited by Shogun, Tue Sep 1, 2009 1:47 am.
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Well as a Christian, I believe (obviously) that you either go to heaven or hell when you die. As for what happens, well the Bible says that when you go to be judged you will have to account for all that you've done in your life. And if you haven't accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior, then you go to hell. Now as to why someone would go to hell, it is because of sin. As it says in Romans 3:23 , "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." And because you haven't met forth with the requirements to go to heaven you're sentenced to hell. But if you accept Jesus as your Lord and savior, your slate (for lack of better words) is wiped clean and God allows you into for following is his son.

If you really want to here more feel free to PM me about it. I'd be glad to expalin more, but be respectful is all I ask.
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Of course you understand that I can go to different people even within thier own congegations, and ask that question, and I'll get a different answer with almost every person I ask?

Quoting scripture out of context or partially does nothing but confuse the subject. I rather see people read the scripture themselves, with the following thoughts in mind.
1. The book is inspired by the creator, so it can never contradict itself.
2. If you think there is a contradiction, then the fault lies with your thinking.
3. To clear that up, you need to do as the scriptures state "the witness of two or three make the matter firm". In other words compare other scriptures to gain the proper viewpoint on the matter.
4. Most person use a bible that is in a old language or translated from a tranlation. When in doubt, look up the original language word, to see it proper meaning.
5. Prayer to the Creator for guidance.

Follow those steps, and will will not need me or others to explain the scriptures. I'm not going to go into detail on the word Hell, from the Greek Hades, or the Hebrew Sheohl. I'd rather you the reader look it up for yourself.

I will say the the Churches around the world in just about all religons have used and mis-used Hell, and eternal punishment for the sake of money and control. As the Christ said "the truth will set you free".
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You talking to me or someone else? Because I always go to scripture before writing something like this, as I'd never want to misquote or incorrectly use the word of God. As I know the context in which it was said. And as for your five points, I always use those.
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You talking to me or someone else? Because I always go to scripture before writing something like this, as I'd never want to misquote or incorrectly use the word of God. As I know the context in which it was said. And as for your five points, I always use those.
Okay, then tell me this. What is Hell? Because if you state it is a burning place that torments people, then you will need to brush up on your reading. I could never worship a god that would have lower morale standards than myself.

The Churches have used that scare tactic since early times, adopting it from other religions.

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You talking to me or someone else? Because I always go to scripture before writing something like this, as I'd never want to misquote or incorrectly use the word of God. As I know the context in which it was said. And as for your five points, I always use those.
Okay, then tell me this. What is Hell? Because if you state it is a burning place that torments people, then you will need to brush up on your reading. I could never worship a god that would have lower morale standards than myself.

The Churches have used that scare tactic since early times, adopting it from other religions.

Hell is described in a number aof different ways in the Bible. But there are three manin ones that I can recollect right now ( kind of pressed for time so I'll get the exact verses later).

1) Eternal seperation from God
2) lake of fire
3) place of darkness and torment

As for God's moral standards, we as humans can't understand the way that God's mind works. But if you believe in God then there are certain things that are indisputable facts. He is the creator of everything, he is all powrfull, all knowing, and omnipresent. Thus we are judged by his perfect and holy standard not by our own morals which are always subject to change from person to person. Thus when you sin, you have committed a blatant offesne against God, and as a just God he must punish that sin. And it just so happens that sins are punished in hell. While it might not be pretty, and I don't always like it, it is the hard truth that not everyone goes to heaven. And who am I as a creation of his, to question his authority or morals? I have no right to do so and don't because I know what he's doing is right.

As for the Greek Hades and Hebrew Sheol, despite what you are obviously trying to imply, I already know exactly what they mean. Just how the Bible doesn't make it absolutely clear that Hades, Sheol, and hell aren't the same place. But it does make it obvious that each is a place where sinners go. So like you said, while some churches try to use it as a scare tactic, that is not its main purpose. It is simply put there for people to better understand what Jesus saved them from.
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To sum to up Hell, Hades, or Sheohl is one thing. Death. To have God's love is a chance for a resurrection. Otherwise it is eternal death. Everyone sins, we are all imperfect, we all miss the mark, which is the literal meaning of the word sin. As it is written in the Greek Scripture and verified in the Hebrew. "The wages of Sin is death".

The lake of fire is symbolic. Fire is a element that destroys by consumption. It completely destroys. There is no coming back from it.

The Christ uses the illustration of the "fires of Gehenna. Outside the walls of the city, was the valley called Gehenna, it was where the Jews burned thier garbage. Christ illustrated to the people of his day with something they could relate to. When you burn garbage, the fire consumes it, you can't go through afterwords and reclaim the item you threw in. It cease to exist. Such would be those that refuse to follow the Creators direction. It is not torture, just death without resurrection. A loving provision, not a cruel injustice.

Why would I say I would not worship a god with lower morals than myself? Why, would a loving god give me a mind to use, and free will , if he was not wanting me to question him out and test him on wheither his standards of justice is not better than mine? If his was lacking then why serves such a false god? Clearly I believe his standard are better, and that any teaching that states otherwise is mis-guided, such as eternal torture by means of a false teaching such as Hell fire, which by the way, you will never find those two words together in any bible.

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Well it's become apparent to me, that we are in agreement essentially. Yes you are right that you will never see the words "Hell fire" together in the Bible. And I have read pretty much every bit of "evidence" that you've given. That is completely true, and I never said you would. Those are simply some examples of how Hell is described. What actually happens to a soul once they get to hell is never actually gone into in the Bible. If you want to read about punishments and what not you'd have to read the Dead Sea Scrolls, which I personally feel isn't really necessary.

As for questioning God's morals or ways, I simply don't do it. A great example of what happens when you question God's ways is the later chapters in the book of Job, especially chapters 32-41. After basically getting pissed that he's ggoing through a hard time, Job essentially calls God, saying he punishes the righteous and calls him unjust. Essentially questioning God's motives and will. And my favorite verse from this whole book is 41:11 "Who has given to Me that I must repay him? Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine." As well I would suggest you take this verse to heart. Deuteronomy 6:16 " You shall not put the Lord your God to the test, as you tested him at Massah." And this is not miss quoting the verse. As in Exodus, God, through Moses, had just lead the people out of Egypt and performed many miracles to feed them and keep them safe, yet the still complained about what God hadn't done for them. If you claim to follow God, then there is no need for you to question what he does or his morals. But every Christian does at some point and there is grace for that, so no biggy.
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This is an excellent question.

Well, hopefully I'll get to have another playthrough. But I hope all my possessions and money carry over. Who knows, I might have unlocked Stealth Camouflage by accident somehow to use the next time around :D

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I beleive when you die you either go to heaven or hell. There's these two book ones called 30 minutes in hell and the other is I think an hour in heaven. "30 minutes in hell" is a true story about a man who suddenly passed out ( I believe he was pronounced dead) he talks about being in hell and how bad it is. The other one was " An hour in heaven" which is again a true story about a man who got hit by a big rig and I do know this guy was pronounced dead. He talks about his experinence in heaven until he gets revived an hour later. This is just a very basic outline. But yea of course no one can scientifically prove that there's life after death it just depends on how much faith you have in something you can't see.
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My own opinion is I think after you die you get re-birthed into a new body and lose all your memories of your previous one. You may think I sound crazy or stupid , but it's just my own opinion so yeah O_o
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