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Warriors: Legends of Troy
Topic Started: May 29 2009, 08:26 PM (12,738 Views)
Sallad	Aug 13 2009, 07:53 AM Post #276
Not the food. Posts: 69 Group: Members Member #23,035 Joined: August 3, 2009 Gender Male	Ok, so I am SO excited that KOEI CANADA is doing this game. DW, SW, and WO were all made with Japan in mind. That is where the Mosou games flourish. So now, KOEI CANADA is deciding to totally "Westernize" the new game! For this, I am SO excited!!! That means: 1. BLOOD! (Unlike a lot of you, I would SO not mind if this game was really bloody. Blood gives you the feeling of actually inflicting damage.) 2. KOEI Canada is fully aware of the terrible reviews that the Warriors games get in the west. They know exactly what the western audiences like and dislike about the franchise. (I am not the general western audience, but I love Japanese games and Western games alike!) 3. They are using a storyline familiar to Western people. Heh, most western people have NO idea that SW and DW contain characters from REAL HISTORY. 4. Since it is KOEI CANADA's project, I am sure that they will make sequels. And you know that with sequels come improvements (Hopefully!). 5. I LOVE THE TROJAN WAR SETTING WITH ALL MY HEART!!!!! But that is just personal bias.... Words can not express my excitement!!!! Edited by Sallad, Aug 13 2009, 07:53 AM.
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Kittn	Aug 13 2009, 11:43 AM Post #277
Zhou Yu's Lap Cat Posts: 369 Group: Members Member #9,843 Joined: September 21, 2007 Gender Female	Quote: 1. BLOOD! (Unlike a lot of you, I would SO not mind if this game was really bloody. Blood gives you the feeling of actually inflicting damage.) Wrong. Inflicting damage means inflicting pain. Pain is not expressed by blood. You could have someone oozing gushing buckets of the stuff and it wouldn't give that feeling at all. Its the backstepping, staggering, falling, standing up slowly, etc that gives that feeling. I've seen games with ZERO blood in them where I could say wow, That looked like it REALLY HURT. And likewise I've seen really gory games where people sit there bleeding all over the place and barely flinch. It might as well have been cranberry juice. So... which one seems more real? And most of the time the super bloody games just make me pack them up and never play them again, its such an eyesore. Especially when its that overdone. So I have to disagree with you there. And I'm quite offended that you think "Westernizing" a game means that the top priority will be blood. If Koei Canada agrees with you (since you seem to know what they are thinking, eh?), I will not be buying this game. What a pity. A good game does not have to be bloody. Lets hope Koei Canada realizes this, and makes a good game. Good games are immersive. Overdone gore and blood is just distracting and gross. A believable medium (after all, not all wounds bleed and VERY FEW gush) is what would be wise here. Moderation is the key, as they say.
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Andreas-andi	Aug 13 2009, 02:31 PM Post #278
Tiger General Posts: 537 Group: Members Member #11,892 Joined: December 13, 2007	----------- Edited by Andreas-andi, Aug 13 2009, 02:32 PM.



Andreas-andi	Aug 13 2009, 02:31 PM Post #279
Tiger General Posts: 537 Group: Members Member #11,892 Joined: December 13, 2007	Kittn Aug 13 2009, 11:43 AM Quote: 1. BLOOD! (Unlike a lot of you, I would SO not mind if this game was really bloody. Blood gives you the feeling of actually inflicting damage.) Wrong. Inflicting damage means inflicting pain. Pain is not expressed by blood. You could have someone oozing gushing buckets of the stuff and it wouldn't give that feeling at all. Its the backstepping, staggering, falling, standing up slowly, etc that gives that feeling. I've seen games with ZERO blood in them where I could say wow, That looked like it REALLY HURT. And likewise I've seen really gory games where people sit there bleeding all over the place and barely flinch. It might as well have been cranberry juice. So... which one seems more real? And most of the time the super bloody games just make me pack them up and never play them again, its such an eyesore. Especially when its that overdone. So I have to disagree with you there. And I'm quite offended that you think "Westernizing" a game means that the top priority will be blood. If Koei Canada agrees with you (since you seem to know what they are thinking, eh?), I will not be buying this game. What a pity. A good game does not have to be bloody. Lets hope Koei Canada realizes this, and makes a good game. Good games are immersive. Overdone gore and blood is just distracting and gross. A believable medium (after all, not all wounds bleed and VERY FEW gush) is what would be wise here. Moderation is the key, as they say. I am from Germany. I can not speak english well. I agree with the user "Sallad". "Blood" is very important for this war game, for this Trojan war game. Because, the Trojan war is a brutal war. And the Trojan war game must be real. I will not buy this game, if there is no Blood. In this game is a very good Story with a lot of interesting-exciting-spectacular Story-Videos very important. And very good Graphics are also very important. But also the brutal action and Blood is also important. I am very happy, because this game is developing by KOEI-CANADA. Because KOEI-CANADA is in west. This is very important for this game. And, I hope, KOEI-CANADA and TECMO work together on this game. I think, then the game will be better and a better Action game, and a better west war action game. (Sorry, I can not speak english well) Edited by Andreas-andi, Aug 13 2009, 02:37 PM.



MSW-07 Omega Gundam	Aug 13 2009, 02:51 PM Post #280
Primordial Godtype Posts: 353 Group: Members Member #6,979 Joined: April 23, 2007 Gender Male	Kittn Aug 13 2009, 11:43 AM Quote: 1. BLOOD! (Unlike a lot of you, I would SO not mind if this game was really bloody. Blood gives you the feeling of actually inflicting damage.) Wrong. Inflicting damage means inflicting pain. Pain is not expressed by blood. You could have someone oozing gushing buckets of the stuff and it wouldn't give that feeling at all. Its the backstepping, staggering, falling, standing up slowly, etc that gives that feeling. I've seen games with ZERO blood in them where I could say wow, That looked like it REALLY HURT. And likewise I've seen really gory games where people sit there bleeding all over the place and barely flinch. It might as well have been cranberry juice. So... which one seems more real? And most of the time the super bloody games just make me pack them up and never play them again, its such an eyesore. Especially when its that overdone. So I have to disagree with you there. And I'm quite offended that you think "Westernizing" a game means that the top priority will be blood. If Koei Canada agrees with you (since you seem to know what they are thinking, eh?), I will not be buying this game. What a pity. A good game does not have to be bloody. Lets hope Koei Canada realizes this, and makes a good game. Good games are immersive. Overdone gore and blood is just distracting and gross. A believable medium (after all, not all wounds bleed and VERY FEW gush) is what would be wise here. Moderation is the key, as they say. Actually my idea of westernizing a game is adding guns to every aspect even if it happens to take place thousands of years ago. It's a shame that repetative shooting games that are practically the same thing get great reviews while DW and other games in their style of blade based combat usually fall short unless it has alot of blood and gore (i.e. God of War/Kratos complex). Either way I'm going to get it, I've bought pretty much every Warriors game to date and this time won't be different. Edited by MSW-07 Omega Gundam, Aug 13 2009, 02:52 PM.
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The Trojan Horse	Aug 13 2009, 06:24 PM Post #281
First Lieutenant Posts: 191 Group: Members Member #22,990 Joined: July 31, 2009 Gender Male	I have said this before, and I'll say it again. Graphic depiction of blood, does NOTHING to improve gameplay. It is just EYE CANDY. If you had say red flexs on the screen instead of yellow, it is the same game. Even if you had a more graphic depiction of violence, you would after a few plays be just a bored with the game as you became without them. This have become a silly issue, that only a VERY vocal MINORITY ask for. That said, could the game series work with a more MATURE element to the gameplay. Sure. The Illiad is a fairly dark tale of flawed Heroes and some mature subjects. BUT, graphic depiction of gore is NOT mature. IT is what it is. Should there be maybe some more graphic depiction? Most likely the answer is yes. But, only it if advances storyline. NEVER, for the sake of just having it.



RANDOM_N00B	Aug 13 2009, 06:34 PM Post #282
I've been waiting for this Posts: 944 Group: Members Member #9,453 Joined: September 1, 2007 Gender Male	spit of blood + limb loss in war game = cool river of blood + body explosion = fail so yeah if they keep it in some realistic way it should be awesome and i agrre whit MSW-07 Omega Gundam having gun in game is westernizing it lol i can't see why blood = westernizing a game pick nose
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MSW-07 Omega Gundam	Aug 13 2009, 06:42 PM Post #283
Primordial Godtype Posts: 353 Group: Members Member #6,979 Joined: April 23, 2007 Gender Male	Though I never said it made a game, Trojan Horse kinda overreacted. But please just call me Omega, the full name is just for advertising purposes
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The Trojan Horse	Aug 13 2009, 10:10 PM Post #284
First Lieutenant Posts: 191 Group: Members Member #22,990 Joined: July 31, 2009 Gender Male	MSW-07 Omega Gundam Aug 13 2009, 06:42 PM Though I never said it made a game, Trojan Horse kinda overreacted. But please just call me Omega, the full name is just for advertising purposes Omega, my comment wasn't directed at you. Andreas, has been posting his campaign for blood and gore both on this site and every site that talks about the Legends of Troy game. It gets quite old after awhile. I have no problem with a darker game, but only if it furthers the story. We will just have to wait and see what KOEI canada has come up with. I do find it offensive that for some reason NA gamers are thought of as bloodthirst. In otherwords, I'm more along your train of thought than nought.



MSW-07 Omega Gundam	Aug 13 2009, 11:14 PM Post #285
Primordial Godtype Posts: 353 Group: Members Member #6,979 Joined: April 23, 2007 Gender Male	Put a gun in the hand of a videogame character and suddenly it'll sell thousands or even millions of copies in the US. It sickens me so. My problem is not blood or gore, I don't really mind it much. But yes, it's true that the US is not a country of gore fans, rather we are a country of gun fans.
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Amari Ade Lord of Ohray	Aug 13 2009, 11:29 PM Post #286
Elite Soldier Posts: 58 Group: Members Member #22,913 Joined: July 25, 2009 Gender Male	I stand on Trojans side on the whole blood/graphic combat issue. above all it should be realistic but not like Gears of War meat salads. true that in the age of swords and spears war was never pretty, i think this game is going to reflect this, but i hope that no blood crazed crazies eventaully sway the makers of the game to their point of view. if the first gameplay trailer shows blood exploding with every strike, i'd probably never look at Koei Canada the same way again. plus I have great hope for Koei Canada because they don't usaully make Warriors titles and plus I'm Canadain



Kittn	Aug 14 2009, 09:08 AM Post #287
Zhou Yu's Lap Cat Posts: 369 Group: Members Member #9,843 Joined: September 21, 2007 Gender Female	I sorta wonder if Sallad and Andreas are on Koei Canada's payroll at this point. You guys sorta sound... exactly alike... hrm... Well anyways. Off the sadistic blood train... I wonder if they'll have the vocal parts voiced in greek and latin (with subtitles of course). That would be pretty epic I think. X) Especially since I could finally say I put those years of Latin in HS to use.
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StrikeForce9	Aug 14 2009, 09:25 AM Post #288
Is That All You Got? Posts: 2,672 Group: Junior Moderators Member #8,262 Joined: July 2, 2007 Gender Male	Kittn Aug 14 2009, 09:08 AM I sorta wonder if Sallad and Andreas are on Koei Canada's payroll at this point. You guys sorta sound... exactly alike... hrm... Well anyways. Off the sadistic blood train... I wonder if they'll have the vocal parts voiced in greek and latin (with subtitles of course). That would be pretty epic I think. X) Especially since I could finally say I put those years of Latin in HS to use. Doubt it! After all Dynasty Warriors games don't have Chinese dialogues. Great or decent English voices for this game will do for me! I don't know why people are so crazy about blood. Fair amount of blood in killing games does look nice but it isn't the most important thing in video games, gameplay is!
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DarkDante	Aug 14 2009, 02:34 PM Post #289
Madridista Posts: 950 Group: Members Member #10,840 Joined: November 6, 2007 Gender Male	For me at least, the gore/blood gimmick wears off quick, serisouly you see it once and your like "OMG" but 5 minutes later it's like "meh, I'm already used to it". I can see a lot of tomato sauce flying around in this game but I doubt they will go as far as decapitations etc. and I'm not really bothered either.
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Kittn	Aug 15 2009, 03:59 AM Post #290
Zhou Yu's Lap Cat Posts: 369 Group: Members Member #9,843 Joined: September 21, 2007 Gender Female	True, the DW games don't have chinese dialogue, but RoTK XI did. Though, the two series are developed by different teams it seems? I know its probably wishful thinking, though. I'll stay hopeful for now. :3
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Xanxus	Sep 7 2009, 12:09 AM Post #291
Make a heart, spirit fingers, JAZZ HANDS, and back to the heart. <3 Posts: 1,792 Group: Members Member #20,791 Joined: February 17, 2009	As long as limbs aren't flying off with every other hit, i'm fine. :3 I do like that they are adding some blood, it adds for a more realistic feel, i just hope they don't overdo it and concentrate more on the gameplay. A little spray of blood when an enemy dies is fine, and some streaks on the weapon, but when you get into the "chopping heads off with a fountain of blood pouring out of his neck" then, it gets ridiculous
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Red Knight	Sep 7 2009, 09:43 PM Post #292
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The Trojan Horse	Sep 8 2009, 02:06 AM Post #293
First Lieutenant Posts: 191 Group: Members Member #22,990 Joined: July 31, 2009 Gender Male	Homer's decriptions are indeed dark, but he doesn't dwell on them or the details. The Illiad is really a fairly dark book about the human condition. Arrows in the groin, spear thrust thru the body or hip, chokeing a enemy to death, teeth being spilt, rape, murder, lust, power, greed are all part of the Illiad. If done in a PG13 style format, I think Koei could pull of the feeling of Homer's tale, without being maudlin. Edited by The Trojan Horse, Sep 8 2009, 02:07 AM.



Sallad	Sep 10 2009, 04:32 AM Post #294
Not the food. Posts: 69 Group: Members Member #23,035 Joined: August 3, 2009 Gender Male	I only said, "I wouldn't mind if this game is really bloody," not, "I HOPE THIS GAME FEATURES LIMB LOSS AND HEAD LOSS WITH EVERY SLICE, WITH BLOOD SPEWING OUT OF EVERY PART OF THE BODY!!!!" And yes, blood DOES show that you are inflicting damage. When I hit someone with a sword, I expect blood. If I took a sword, and slashed someone, and they didn't bleed, I would sit in confusion and wonder if they aren't human or something. We all are filled with blood, and when we get cut, it comes out. I expect this REALISM in this game. Sword gash= blood. I'm not looking for gears of war or ninja gaiden here. I'm looking for some good, realistic, natural blood going on. That's all. :D!
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Andreas-andi	Sep 10 2009, 07:41 PM Post #295
Tiger General Posts: 537 Group: Members Member #11,892 Joined: December 13, 2007	HEELLLLOOOO KOEI !!!! HEELLLOOO KOEI TECMO !!! WHERE IS THE FIRST GAMEPLAY-VIDEO of "Warriors Legends of Troj" ? I love this game I am waiting! I hope, there is coming a new Trailer or a new Gameplay Video at the TGS 2009.



wkdkicksass28	Sep 22 2009, 07:48 PM Post #296
Sergeant Posts: 21 Group: Members Member #23,079 Joined: August 7, 2009 Gender Male	I'll pre-order the PS3 version when the release date comes out in the US.



BlackKite	Sep 23 2009, 10:10 AM Post #297
東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. Posts: 4,023 Group: Admins Member #38 Joined: August 26, 2005 Gender Male	There is a Famitsu scan on Legends of Troy this week. It will be brought to Japan under the name Troy Musou. Looks like there will be monsters in this game such as Cyclops, Griffon, and Elinus (sp)
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DarkDante	Sep 23 2009, 10:53 AM Post #298
Madridista Posts: 950 Group: Members Member #10,840 Joined: November 6, 2007 Gender Male	Looks interesting, I'm digging the character designs: plenty of armour and not a bishi in sight!! Really like Hector's look, his helmet is cool and his armour/shield are really distinctive from the others. Not surprizerd to see Paris using a bow, but what's with all the others using short sword+shield combo? I guess historical accuracy and all that, but still I hope there is some variety in weapons and movesets... So I guess the Trojans will be primarily red/gold while the Greeks will use dark colours like blue/black etc.
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Astus	Sep 23 2009, 11:46 AM Post #299
Frakkin' Toaster Posts: 2,755 Group: Admins Member #8,568 Joined: July 17, 2007 Gender Male	It appears that the characters have undergone some minor aesthetic changes. Slightly more adorned and the like. The Cyclops looks epic. Can't wait to see what it's like to take him on ;P
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Ishikawa Goemon	Sep 23 2009, 01:04 PM Post #300
伊賀抜け忍 Posts: 276 Group: Members Member #8,630 Joined: July 20, 2007 Gender Male	Ha, I was right. The Japanese name is Troy Musou. EDIT: The character designs look so generic. Edited by Ishikawa Goemon, Sep 23 2009, 01:13 PM.
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