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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
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Also Hisahide could be the replacement for Kojuuro. They have similar weapons and thus have similar styles. Not that I really want lots of replacement characters per se, but HIsahide is already similar to him. Not much can be done about that. PLus itmakes his chances higher.
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^err,no,hisahide uses a straight longsword that he handles one handed,like most chinese ji's,but heavier i guess(he has a katana/nodachi stored in his belt but is not using it) so he's nothing like kojuuro,hisahide is also slow on walking speed but have a really fast dash moves

kojuuro is more like a modified masamune,he was altered greatly in SB2H but he's nonetheless the "mitsunari" to masamune's "kenshin",so yeah,kojuuro's replacement in SB3 is masamune himself,in a wierd kind of way

@NDY:IIRC during the SB2~H days there are a similar happening when you also speak of a similar thing to the SB staff?(about SB having fans worldwide),or was it tengumaru who did it?can't remember correctly but maybe that's what spurred the upcoming release of samurai heroes?

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^err,no,hisahide uses a straight longsword that he handles one handed,like most chinese ji's,but heavier i guess(he has a katana/nodachi stored in his belt but is not using it) so he's nothing like kojuuro,hisahide is also slow on walking speed but have a really fast dash moves

kojuuro is more like a modified masamune,he was altered greatly in SB2H but he's nonetheless the "mitsunari" to masamune's "kenshin",so yeah,kojuuro's replacement in SB3 is masamune himself,in a wierd kind of way



I said their weapons were similar, not the same. :\ I've seen hijm fight before, and while his moves wouldn't be the same as Kojurro's, they could be similar in a ways. If Hisahide becomes playable, i doubt he would keep his walking animation, he would need to run. Plus, his moves would change from SB2:H, he didn't have a full, custom move set, and he would need his own, new one. His skills and such, possible even his BASARA could be in a similar style as Kojuuro's.

I've never found Kojuuro's and Masamune's move sets similar, even though i haven't played SB2:H. Masamune has always been gun ho' with his attacks, always putting his body to use (probably for the fan girsl :lol: ) and he has always been animated with himself. And as far as i can tell from Kojuuro, he mostly uses his upper torso while fighting, barely using his legs, only to take small, quick steps, which is like Hisashide.

Meh, if you don't think so, thats fine, this is just the way i see it. I could very well be just trying to find more reasons for Hisahide to be in the game, and at the same time get an idea of what its like to play as Kojuuro. ^_^
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About the guys with the Hisahide mastermind theory: I don't mean to disprove anything, but you forgot about Yoshitsugu. If there is someone who wishes to cause war and strife more than anything...that's him.

Hisahide has always struck him as a complete egotist, he'd use any means available, but just to satisfy his whims. The "lesson" he gave to Hideyoshi happened only because the latter went himself to Hisahide's camp. And he confronted Masamune and Kojuro just because of the swords...at least that's what I think.

Well, nothing changes that he might have had a hand in the events leading to Sekigahara...but IMHO making him the man behind everything would take away a lot from Ieyasu's character (and take away most of Mitsunari's)


Anyway, some guy on 2ch compiled a good majority of the lines appearing in Yoshi's and Maggie's vids. Here they are:


OOTANI YOSHITSUGU (VS Magoichi)

Magoichi: Ring, o bells!! We are the proud Saika faction!
You will see for yourself our power now.

Yoshitsugu: Filthy slugs...it might even be pleasant to scatter salt on you.
       That smile fails to conceal your anger...but so be it.
O distress, may your rain fall forever!! (Basara quote)

Saika general: I've got a bad feeling about this...but bad feelings can't kill us.

Yoshi: Rot away here. Surrender your flesh to the dead.
Flee, run away...spread the voice about Mitsunari the demon.

Mitsunari: Could anyone ever escape those spheres' attacks..?

Maggie: You've got sharp eyes...a very welcome quality here.

Yoshi: After all, I am a honest man...working too much makes me feel dispirited.

Maggie: We are the proud Saika faction! This is our way of life!!
We are the Saika faction! We know war more than anyone else!

Yoshi: Exactly...failed schemes are truly undesirable.
I dislike cunning women...not that this is your case though.
O ruination...do not come yet...I want to see more suffering...(Victory quote)


SAIKA MAGOICHI (VS Uesugi army)


Kanetsugu: As long as I, the invincible one, am here...Kawanakajima is absolutely invincible!!

Keiji: But didn't you lose to the neighborhood kids the other day?

Narration (?): No War Gods around here...just invincible guys...

Keiji: Let the warbler rest on the tree that is I, Maeda Keiji!
You're pretty good! Your eyes have strength behind them!

Maggie: This burning scent...is a perfume that gently surrounds us.
  Accept the fact that you're outnumbered. There is no shame in that.

Kasuga: Go away from here!! Do not trample any further the snow landscape Lord Kenshin loves so!
I am happy...what's wrong about that?!?

Maggie: You're overtaken by emotion, huh...we do not allow that.

Muteki!: I am the invincible main character!! I worked one year long and made my name known!
You see now?? You understand now?? I am invincible!!

Kenshin: Come at me! My frozen blade...it all ends now.
Sleep forever...in this gelid casket.

Maggie: There's nothing to be surprised about...our specialty's the battlefield.
You have something to say? Then speak. This is our way of life.



And here it is!


P.S.: Someone also posted a spoiler about chain ball guy. But there are high suspicions that he's a troll...I guess it's better not to create false rumors...




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Hmm, I am hoping they don't make more people NPC's in the localized version compared to the JP version..but I do hope they use the same English voices from Devil Kings.
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I've never found Kojuuro's and Masamune's move sets similar, even though i haven't played SB2:H.
Well, take it from those who have; they are quite similar. Not to the degree of say, Sasuke and Kasuga, but you find that they do share a great deal in common.

Masamune and Kojuuro both have:
* A DMC-style "Stinger" Special

* Projectile Special; Masamune's is a big-ass fireball, while Kojuuro's is more akin to Chain Lighting that can travel between foes

* Launcher/Hightime like maneuver; they even both give you the option of just pressing the button to send opponents into the air, or holding the button so you can send Masamune/Kojuuro into the air after

* A temporary "Mode Change" special, which increases their offensive abilities, at the cost of sacrificing their defense


Again, they're not clones of each other, that much is true. But the styles are definitely still similar, nonetheless.


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About the guys with the Hisahide mastermind theory: I don't mean to disprove anything, but you forgot about Yoshitsugu. If there is someone who wishes to cause war and strife more than anything...that's him.


I don't doubt that ol boy Yoshi is certainly going to utilize Sekigahara as a means to possibly make everybody have a bad day. But even if he's got the likes of Motonari to add on to his already impressive mind, I don't think he's quite on the level of Hisahide (or at least, my vision as such).

To me, Hisahide possibly had various gambits running simultaneously, many years prior; most, if not all, standing to be put to the test by Sekigahara.

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Well, nothing changes that he might have had a hand in the events leading to Sekigahara...but IMHO making him the man behind everything would take away a lot from Ieyasu's character (and take away most of Mitsunari's)


How so?

I mean, after all, the historical Ieyasu was one who had to be patient, and wait for the right opportunity to present itself for him to take the country. BASARA's version seems to be doing more to fall right in line with that. Whether the opportunity was one he actually gained himself, or incited as such because of things he may or may not be aware of, is of little consequence, in my eyes.

And as for Mitsunari? Well, by this point in the story, he's largely a delusional sort any way. I wouldn't be surprised if it's more a thing that Yoshi is the brains of the outfit, so that 'nari can focus on angsting and trying to kill Ieyasu.

And neither of which would change, even if Hisahide was the one behind it all. After all, in the end, even as Hisahide schemes, he's still doing a lot to play to the various "desires" of all of those involved. "Such is the cycle of man", or whatever Hisahide was waxing on about. :hehe:
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he's still doing a lot to play to the various "desires" of all of those involved. "Such is the cycle of man", or whatever Hisahide was waxing on about. :hehe:
Which is the kind of direction I see too with Hisahide in regards to his hand in the Sekigahara conflict. He's not so much the stereotypical mastermind who turns out to be the root cause of all the games events, or one who solely did what did just to ultimately have the power in his hands, but rather a Gouda-esque (from Ghost in the Shell) villain- his actions were essentially just for the hell of it. He created some necessary factors (maybe setting Hideyoshi vs. Ieyasu up, instilling that fear and doubt into Masamune/Kojuuro, and anything else of the sort) that were able to produce the current outcome of the plot. And now with Sekigahara on the horizon, it's his final play to see how all of these factors and characters will come together and what the product of it all is.

Again, not so much a power move or to gain control, and by no means has he been the guy behind it all in secret, but simply Hisahide being that villain we all know and love- the guy who does stuff just for ****'s sake.

Anyways. NDY, out of curiosity what were the rumors of the new silhouette guy you mentioned? It's not like we have much else to talk about for awhile, and at the least they may be entertaining. :P
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Bah.

Basara better have at least two of the characters on my wishlist in the game to make up for the NPC treatments being given.

Gimme some Mogami, Ukita, Todo and Kuroda love, Kobayashi!
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This guy said that the chain ball guy would be Mogami Yoshiaki. His weapons would be that steel ball mixed with a crossbow. I don't understand well, but he said it'd be a mixture between Dragon Quest's "destruction sphere" and a crossbow.


Anyway, his character would be that of a ruthless mafia-style mob boss. Old man wih fox-like eyes. Silver hair and a tiger skin wrapped around his waist. He built his dominion in Dewa using assassination and other underhanded tricks. Nicknamed "Dewa's fox". Uncle of Date Masamune, he is someone distrustful of even his closest relatives. He founded the "Mogami Family (originally in english)" to show the country his power.


The next silhouettes would be Zabi and an Ashuraman-like figure with a weird helmet and pants similar to Yukimura's.

Anyway, he said this would be confirmed today at the earliest.

The fact that Kobayashi said that the next character would be introduced next month, and the fact that this guy appears to be the same troll who posted BS in the thread before make this seem pretty unlegit.

But....you never know, I guess....better not give this too much credit though.
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In that case we'll find out the truth in a day or two.
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Hmm, Hisahide being the true master mind behind Sekigahara would be interesting, even if a little cliché, but then again, look how Masamune and Yukimura finished off Nobunaga in the anime :rolleyes:
Still though, Motonari and Yoshi are also obviously planning big, but seeing as though this is the major conflict of the game, I see no reason why two or more sinister schemes can't be "activated" at the same time. Also, DK's idea with Hisahide entering the scene and slowly clapping is making me hope this is the route Capcom have taken. I know its been done many times before, but seeing it Basara style is just too epic to pass up.

Again, again, again, again, cheers for the trans NDY :hehe:
Yoshi's lines are awesome. Capcom has definitely created a memorable character this time. Gah, I really need to see that video. Anyway, about his jump, I'm sure he'll be able... I mean, if he can make his Basaraquin float, I see no problem with him controlling it to "jump". Hopefully Capcom won't make it look too awkward though...
And on the whole subject of Yoshi, I wonder what his alt. outfit would be like. A design before he had to wear all those bandages would be nice. But still, we don't even know if alt. outfits will return...

Anyway, I'm taking that guys info with a grain of salt. Though, I don't think any of us would be suprised if it was Yoshiaki. Still, both a chain-ball and crossbow is a little... random. By the way, did he mention the other two characters we'll be getting besides Yoshiaki and Yoshihiro?
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Meh, I just don't buy that for the fact that he says Zabii of all people will be the update after Yoshihiro. But anything is possible I guess.

And on the topic of Alts- I really hope they return. I loved every alt in Heroes, some of them being even better than the originals imo. Sasuke's comes to mind, same with Yuki's.
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OK!!! First thanks to NDY for his info a Good work....

C'mon Koba...Kojuro and Sasuke NPC'S...well i hope this is fro the better...

About Someone being the Mastermind... :mellow: it could be a Great Turn in History

The Character Uniques seems a great feature

So it seems more NPC'S are coming... <_<
Edited by Jonathan Joestar, Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:30 pm.
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This guy said that the chain ball guy would be Mogami Yoshiaki. His weapons would be that steel ball mixed with a crossbow. I don't understand well, but he said it'd be a mixture between Dragon Quest's "destruction sphere" and a crossbow.


Anyway, his character would be that of a ruthless mafia-style mob boss. Old man wih fox-like eyes. Silver hair and a tiger skin wrapped around his waist. He built his dominion in Dewa using assassination and other underhanded tricks. Nicknamed "Dewa's fox". Uncle of Date Masamune, he is someone distrustful of even his closest relatives. He founded the "Mogami Family (originally in english)" to show the country his power.


The next silhouettes would be Zabi and an Ashuraman-like figure with a weird helmet and pants similar to Yukimura's.

Anyway, he said this would be confirmed today at the earliest.

The fact that Kobayashi said that the next character would be introduced next month, and the fact that this guy appears to be the same troll who posted BS in the thread before make this seem pretty unlegit.
Too bad...part of me would like to see this happen, at least for Yoshiaki's case.

I mean, it would actually do a lot to make sense, in my eyes. Masamune is sort of a banchou/1950s gangster composite. So why not have his uncle be one who takes "so gangsta~!" to a whole new level?

The character dynamics between the two would leave a lot of potential for storyline development. After all, if the two would be forced to work together during the majority of the Sekigahara conflict, the two personalities would stand to bounce off on another, both positively and decidedly negatively/humorously. After all, there's the whole Japanese thing between foxes and dragons too, no less. How fitting would it be, that Masamune's "dragon teeth" (swords) would be complimented by Yoshiaki's "soul orb" (big ass chain ball) :hehe:

But, we'll see. After all, one thing to take into account is that Koba probably doesn't account for leaks, or even when Famitsu decides to publish articles that they may want to have on their publishing cycle. Thus, that's the only thing that I think could give credence to this rumor.

...Xavi, though? Given how weird things have turned out lately, maybe this could turn out to be true.....hopefully, with some one like Gracia in tow...? :wub:
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Well, seeing as he has those "wooden cuffs" around his hands and a chainball attached to his foot...this kinda makes sense.

He was probably imprisoned by his own family, cause he´s just too dangerous. Also it would be awesome seeing him kicking Masamune´s butt, with his "murder army".

Maybe his grunts will be full of prisoners, all of whom have done grave crimes. I like the idea. Even if it´s a false rumor, he has some good ideas :lol:

EDIT:

And NDY, how long did it take you to finish a stage? In the other games it was allways around 7-10 minutes. Is it longer, or around that time?

Oh and btw NDY...how did you like the demo? :huh:

Did you get that "BASARA feeling" during your playtime? Was it fun? :D

I know, kinda strange for asking after so much time passed by...but I wanna know if you enjoyed it :P
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:16 pm.
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This guy said that the chain ball guy would be Mogami Yoshiaki. His weapons would be that steel ball mixed with a crossbow. I don't understand well, but he said it'd be a mixture between Dragon Quest's "destruction sphere" and a crossbow.


Anyway, his character would be that of a ruthless mafia-style mob boss. Old man wih fox-like eyes. Silver hair and a tiger skin wrapped around his waist. He built his dominion in Dewa using assassination and other underhanded tricks. Nicknamed "Dewa's fox". Uncle of Date Masamune, he is someone distrustful of even his closest relatives. He founded the "Mogami Family (originally in english)" to show the country his power.


The next silhouettes would be Zabi and an Ashuraman-like figure with a weird helmet and pants similar to Yukimura's.

Anyway, he said this would be confirmed today at the earliest.

The fact that Kobayashi said that the next character would be introduced next month, and the fact that this guy appears to be the same troll who posted BS in the thread before make this seem pretty unlegit.

But....you never know, I guess....better not give this too much credit though.
Hmm, if this is a troll, he sure as hell knows what he's doing. That doesn't sound too unrealistic. A mix of a ball-and-chain and a crossbow sounds nuts, but this is Basara; if they can have a robot and Naruto-esque ninjas, then they can have this. And considering Yoshiaki is Masamune's uncle, him being portrayed as Mafia-styled mob boss sounds reasonable, especially ironic considering Wikipedia refers to Kojuuro as a Yakuza-styled bodyguard. :mellow:

The possible inclusion of Zabii is also interesting. On one hand, judging by what I've heard here, Zabii isn't that famous and has a good chance of being kicked out because of being semi-fictional and having no connection to Sekigahara. But maybe the fact that Capcom could just throw Zabii in and find a way to make his inclusion realistic is what could strengthen his chances. And the new guy coming with him sounds interesting enough to be plausible. There is a good chance that this guy's a troll, but this sounds way too plausible for me to simply mark it off as fake. We'll just have to wait, and who knows: maybe this IS leaked info?
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Hmmm...the chain ball thing...crossbow...maybe he´ll use that crossbow to launch that huge chain ball :OMG:

Well...again...if he´s a troll, give that man/woman some credit. Awesome ideas.

If there really is the announcement of Zabii next time, the chances of Hosokawa Tadaoki to be, might rise even higher. Since Zabii would have a serious reason to be in the game, alongside Tadaoki...or maybe even Garcia, as many fans wished...though I´d prefer Tadaoki. <_<
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err,about the mastermind,most of the time,in a game/story where tokugawa ieyasu is a "grey" man(not the direct evil guy,nor the obvious protagonist),there's usually the evil counselor/advisor that runs things in the shadows,in this case its nankobo tenkai.......ain't that an eye opener?>.< a good way to get a mitsuhide replacement without replacing mitsuhide himself,crushing shikoku sounds just like his kind of fun......

the ball and chain guy........i'm more fixated in his tiger skin costume since SB characters usually have unrecognizable weapons(anchor spear?) but some of them still carry their trademark armors(date's crescent helmet,kenshin's monk like attire,etc.),so yeah,here's one still guessing the guy is kiyomasa.
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Hmmm that description of Yoshiaki sounds interesting, I always pictured him as a wily old dog going up against the young upstart punk Masamune. Still as NYD says the info is not very credible so I'm not going to get my hopes up yet. And Zabii as a the next reveal?! lol
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@ DK:

Let's see, available playtime was 15 minutes, and I managed to finish a stage (Itsukushima) without particularly rushing ahead (but I didn't even defeat all generals), and then play just a couple minutes with Ieyasu...so I think it took a little more than 10 minutes.

I daresay that it was more fun than what I remembered Basara to be. Maybe because of using a new character (Mitsunari), or because of his speed, but it seemed to me to go from wave to wave of enemies.

The pace wasn't slacking at all. Plus his skills were really interesting to combo with...I had a lot of fun, yeah.

Combine that with the usual vivid and funny lines characters say, and you have a game that APPARENTLY won't make you miss its prequels.

For what it's worth, they did a good job with the graphics: the style is clearly the same, but it leveled up a lot, that's for sure. And I was playing on the Wii version.


Yoshitsugu had some smart-ass lines too, but the one that I liked most was this exchange:


Mitsunari: .....who the hell are you? Rookie soldiers better stay out of this!

Ishida soldier: Waaaaah, please forgive me!!!!



The script writers are doing their usual job, no matter how "serious" the game's supposed to have become :D
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@ DK:

Let's see, available playtime was 15 minutes, and I managed to finish a stage (Itsukushima) without particularly rushing ahead (but I didn't even defeat all generals), and then play just a couple minutes with Ieyasu...so I think it took a little more than 10 minutes.

I daresay that it was more fun than what I remembered Basara to be. Maybe because of using a new character (Mitsunari), or because of his speed, but it seemed to me to go from wave to wave of enemies.

The pace wasn't slacking at all. Plus his skills were really interesting to combo with...I had a lot of fun, yeah.

Combine that with the usual vivid and funny lines characters say, and you have a game that APPARENTLY won't make you miss its prequels.

For what it's worth, they did a good job with the graphics: the style is clearly the same, but it leveled up a lot, that's for sure. And I was playing on the Wii version.


Yoshitsugu had some smart-ass lines too, but the one that I liked most was this exchange:


Mitsunari: .....who the hell are you? Rookie soldiers better stay out of this!

Ishida soldier: Waaaaah, please forgive me!!!!



The script writers are doing their usual job, no matter how "serious" the game's supposed to have become :D
This is a good thing. I was a bit worried that SB3 would be too serious and lose its origional...personality? Anyway, i'm glad to hear its still the same, without being too much of the same thing, if that makes any sense at all.


@HokutoNoBen: I guess i will just have to take your word for it, considering Kojuuro is taking a breather this time around. :hehe:
Edited by Claus, Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:42 am.
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err,about the mastermind,most of the time,in a game/story where tokugawa ieyasu is a "grey" man(not the direct evil guy,nor the obvious protagonist),there's usually the evil counselor/advisor that runs things in the shadows,in this case its nankobo tenkai.......ain't that an eye opener?>.< a good way to get a mitsuhide replacement without replacing mitsuhide himself,crushing shikoku sounds just like his kind of fun......

Only thing? Yoshitsugu already does a lot to fill that sort of role on Mitsunari's side. Do we really need another, on Ieyasu's side of the equation, too?

I mean, that's even assuming that the Tokugawa stand to get that much more in the way of characters; I'm thinking that at this point, Ieyasu may get Hanzo as an additional, at best. Because everybody wants him in BASARA, at this point, and with both Sasu and Kasu on the sidelines of NPC-dom, Kotaro's gonna need a new playmate who's on his level.
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Well this week's Famitsu ToC has surfaced and it doesn't look like BASARA is in it. So I would say that the poster from 2ch was making it all up about Mr. Ball 'n Chain; awesome idea tho I must say.

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oooo i like the sound of the crossbow ball and chain thing. :)
now that ranmarus dead im gonna put all my wishing into KOTARO and HANZO..
please koba put them in.....
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Hondam
Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:23 am
And on the topic of Alts- I really hope they return. I loved every alt in Heroes, some of them being even better than the originals imo. Sasuke's comes to mind, same with Yuki's.
Agreed. Infact, I thought most of the alts were better than the originals, which is saying a lot, seeing as though the orginals are briallint as well. Costumes like Nobunaga's, Sasuke's, Nagamasa's and Hanbei's alts were among my favourites. Now, with the announcement that the PCs will all get equal amount of emphasis and each be treated as the main character of the game, I see no reason why we can't be treated to a extra design for each of them.

Hmm, I'm kinda dissapointed the leak turned out to be false. I liked the sound of the apparent Ashuraman we'd be seeing. Still, I suppose its better than having Zabii playable while Kojuuro and Sasuke stay on the side lines, IMO :hehe:

Oh, and NDY, one more question. BK posted a while ago the controller set-up. Apparently, to use one of your skills you have to press L3 + T... isn't that a little a awkward, especially when your trying to get a decent combo going?
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