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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,241 Views)
Battle-Flowers
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hehhehehehehehe ranmaru foiled you again
well must be fate that that ugly pale faced dual scythed weilding freak of orgasm DIED
obviously not as important as the brilliant RANMARU

hehehe anywho who wants candy
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Well, remember the anime. Ranmoru wasn't strong enogh to fight in flames and if Masamune didn't save his life, he would be died. But Mitsuhide fought against Masamune and Yukimura at the same time. And he didn't died at anime too, just disappeared and turned to smoke. He will come back and take his revange!!!!!(be careful Kojuuro)
Edited by Reaper, Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:03 pm.
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Battle-Flowers
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umm well so if you were a kid could you fight in the flames in barely any armour....
hmmmmm guess not and beleive me reaper will die he may already be dead but i do not care he is not important now......
koba hass more sense than to add a walking orgasm into his marvelous spectacle of a game!

hehehe
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Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:52 pm
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Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:19 pm
I want to see Hanzo as a Terminator, you know, the T-1000, the one of T2: Judgment's Day. An unstoppable killing machine, with no lines, only "target: Mitsunari" "Annihilitation!" and with his arms like a weapon, his left harm can transform in an harpoon (like Scorpion from Mortal Kombat), his right arm would become a sword. He should use both arms to block enemy attacks, join them to form a shield.
Uh, besides, i hope the NPC thing has finished, now Kobayashi, give us some new characters, we need good news!
nahhh...that would be boring....just imagine the battles between Hanzo and Kotaro...

K:.........
H:KILL YOU...
K.....
H:DIE!!!!
While the idea of Hanzo as a Terminator sounds hilariously awesome, Edward does have a good point. Kotaro's already mute as it is; Hanzo having this kind of "speech impedement" would make him look stupid. And Hanzo can't be made mute like Kotaro. Their fights will be like an extreme version of a staring contest. :lol:

And what's with everyone wishing for Ranmaru? :huh: I'm pretty sure he was on the cut-character list, having been killed off with Nobunaga and Noh by Mitsuhide. His ending in the previous games and the anime are bad examples. First, of course his ending's gonna have him alive; I've never seen the endings for any character in DW/SW/SB have the chraracter die at the end. And the anime's shown to be VERY different than the game; if Wikipedia's right, then in the anime, Hondam, Ieyasu, Yoshihiro, Zabii, and Hisahide are all dead. :mellow:
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Battle-Flowers
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oh drats ima gonna keep wishing anywho
come on KOBA
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Gakupo
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Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:46 pm
I've never seen the endings for any character in DW/SW/SB have the chraracter die at the end.
You've never finished Yukimura's Musou mode have you? :P
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Also, Ichi in SB2H had her kicka** ending where she died as well. At least, it was implied that she died.
Edited by Gakupo, Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:57 pm.
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ooo dark and scarrryyy awwww does he die
boo hoo

:(
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Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:46 pm

And what's with everyone wishing for Ranmaru? :huh: I'm pretty sure he was on the cut-character list, having been killed off with Nobunaga and Noh by Mitsuhide. His ending in the previous games and the anime are bad examples. First, of course his ending's gonna have him alive; I've never seen the endings for any character in DW/SW/SB have the chraracter die at the end.
Not to be anal, but
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:hehe:

Although, yes, I do agree with you that for the most part game endings try to be positive about the characters, even if they die canon wise.

Edit: Looks like I should have refreshed the page before posting :P .
Edited by AdawgDaFAB, Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:07 pm.
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Battle-Flowers
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i think just because there meant to be dead does not mean koba will not bring them backk..
lets hope ranmaru :)

hehhe
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Oh they'll be back.

In either SB3H or SB4 :P
Edited by Gakupo, Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:58 pm.
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yayyayay a ray of hope
MISTERCRISPER

hmmmm im looking forward to the expansion of this franchise...

hehhehe
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My bad on the inaccuracy there. I haven't seen every ending, but I've seen most of them, and they've all had endings that could be considered positive. Even characters who would've normally died before the last battle would definitely survive past his/her death, and I've always seen a "happy" ending.

I'm not saying that Ranmaru SHOULD be dead; the fact that Motonari is in despite historically dying a year before shows that SB ain't caring that strongly 'bout accuracy. I'm saying that, in the shared storyline that everyone has in SB3, Ranmaru IS dead. If someone can prove me wrong, that's fine, but otherwise, I'm just stating what I know.
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My bad on the inaccuracy there. I haven't seen every ending, but I've seen most of them, and they've all had endings that could be considered positive. Even characters who would've normally died before the last battle would definitely survive past his/her death, and I've always seen a "happy" ending.

I'm not saying that Ranmaru SHOULD be dead; the fact that Motonari is in despite historically dying a year before shows that SB ain't caring that strongly 'bout accuracy. I'm saying that, in the shared storyline that everyone has in SB3, Ranmaru IS dead. If someone can prove me wrong, that's fine, but otherwise, I'm just stating what I know.
Motonari died about sixty years before Sekigahara, not one year. I think you mixed him up with Toshiie.

Yes, Ranmaru IS confirmed dead. The idea is that Ranmaru secretly escaped and is chilling with Itsuki under a new name and face, personally, i rather have a new character to chill with her, or cut her completely, i don't like her in the first place.

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My bad on the inaccuracy there. I haven't seen every ending, but I've seen most of them, and they've all had endings that could be considered positive. Even characters who would've normally died before the last battle would definitely survive past his/her death, and I've always seen a "happy" ending.

I'm not saying that Ranmaru SHOULD be dead; the fact that Motonari is in despite historically dying a year before shows that SB ain't caring that strongly 'bout accuracy. I'm saying that, in the shared storyline that everyone has in SB3, Ranmaru IS dead. If someone can prove me wrong, that's fine, but otherwise, I'm just stating what I know.
Motonari died about sixty years before Sekigahara, not one year. I think you mixed him up with Toshiie.

Yes, Ranmaru IS confirmed dead. The idea is that Ranmaru secretly escaped and is chilling with Itsuki under a new name and face, personally, i rather have a new character to chill with her, or cut her completely, i don't like her in the first place.

Oh crap, my bad. I remembered someone posting something about one of the characters being in despite having historically died before the game took place. My fault for thinking it was about Motonari. It still proves my point; the characters aren't getting cut due to historical accuracy.

And thanks for the confirmation. I'll admit that I was starting to get confused myself. :whistle:
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For the record, in one of the first interviews Koba said that Ieyasu will be the only character to grow up....


Sorry to dash all your Ranmaru/Itsuki hopes....(I wish for a grown up Itsuki too though, let's hope mr. K was smoking crack as usual that day)
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Yes, Ranmaru IS confirmed dead.
Yes, "Ranmaru" is dead. But then again, it could be construed that "Takechiyo" (lil Ieyasu from the first few games) is "dead", too. :hehe:

What am I getting at? This being Capcom, especially, I have a hard time taking things at face value.

Again, what I've postulating about is basically along the lines of what Capcom has been prone to do some times in various games, "kill" a character, only for that character to come back through some other means, be it through an alias, another form or just come back some time later.


Case(s) in point:

1) Charlie/Nash from Street Fighter - In the Marvel vs. Capcom series of games, Nash was "captured" by Shadowloo and Dictator in Xmen vs. SF, only to come back as "Shadow" for the sequential game, MSH vs. SF (Secret Char).

It was basically the same Nash we've seen before, only he's colored mostly black, voice samples are changed around a bit, and he got a new super special. It was largely a cosmetic change to fit the "storyline". A number of fighting games have done this same concept over the years, actually.

2) Vergil from Devil May Cry - We first would get introduced to this bloke in the original game, via the interesting antagonist, Nelo Angelo. We got an idea of the tragic circumstances that befell Dante's twin brother in that game.

Some time later, we would get the sequel/canonical prequel, DMC3. We got more Vergil, as he actually once was. Same character, technically, but we got to see him over different courses of his "life", through the series.



^ This, especially, is what I had in mind for lil 'Maru. Assuming he was able to "escape" the death, I would think he would do more to leave that former life time as Ranmaru behind him, and start anew (likely as a brand new character, under a new alias). Ideally, with an all new playstyle, to boot. It would do wonders for him, I would think.

Besides, it would be a direct play on how some stories circulated about how people think that the likes of Mitsuhide and Nouhime may have escaped their supposed, historical demises, through some circumstances. This being BASARA, they could have Ranmaru get that type of thing instead.

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The idea is that Ranmaru secretly escaped and is chilling with Itsuki under a new name and face, personally, i rather have a new character to chill with her, or cut her completely, i don't like her in the first place.


If you don't like Itsuki, fine. She grew on me after a while though, so I wouldn't mind her. Growing her up to at least 16 or so would make me like her a lot more, I'm willing to bet. Then maybe she could a have playmate/rival through (hopefully!) Gracia! :hehe:

But to me, having her and "Ranmaru" together would just make a lot of sense. The games have been doing everything in their power to basically "ship" them together (especially SBBH's Itsuki storyline), and the anime made no small thing of doing as such, as well.

So my question would just then be...if they've already done that much in the way of "work" for character development of both characters, in an established and largely canonical context, why do anything to undermine that? Just keep flowing with it, if it already works.

For all I care, Itsuki and New!Maru could become the Athena and Kensou (Pssycho Soldiers) of the BASARA-verse. It'd almost work too well, in my eyes. :hehe:


And hey, if New!Maru actually does do a lot to become a new character, such that the links between he and his younger counterpart are that steep? Well, that makes all the more reason for the two to be separate characters, just like SB3 Ieyasu and his younger counterpart (assuming we needed that many more characters for expansions).

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For the record, in one of the first interviews Koba said that Ieyasu will be the only character to grow up....


Sorry to dash all your Ranmaru/Itsuki hopes....(I wish for a grown up Itsuki too though, let's hope mr. K was smoking crack as usual that day)


Again, my only thing is that this being Capcom, if nothing else, I have a hard time taking everything they may say at face value.

Because after all....I wouldn't be surprised if there's at least some part of the likes of Koba's heart that delights in how he dicks around with us. :hehe:
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On the Itsuki subject, maybe if they got rid of the loli act and got her a less annoying voice, I wouldn't have a problem with her. Those are the main reasons I don't like her.

Hopefully there will be a Yoshitsugu vid for this week, though it isn't very likely since they just started adding the videos that was out since September.
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Site updated with Keiji's skills & voice as predicted, but too bad for those expecting to see the new character videos, they instead added the screenshots on KG & Maggie's events.

Considering next week there will be no updates because everyone need their well-deserved holidays, we have to wait until next year (read: 2 weeks :hehe: )

*facepalm at Battle-Flowers' sig*
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My only issue with Itsuki is what she wears. That white thing looks like a freaking diaper. If they just fix her wardrobe I'd find myself using her a lot more.

And her alt isn't too much better, but it at least doesn't have a diaper.
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Bah, still no Yoshi vid. It would have been a nice way to end the year.
Well, I wonder just when we will see it... perhaps the next character batch update...

Still, we got some nice screen shots. Some of Keiji's facial expressions are... odd, and we got some more shots of Maggie looking bad ass. Lets hope next years Famitsu delivers the goods!

As for Itsuki, well, it can go either way for me. I wasn't particulary fond of her, but I didn't hate her. It'd be cool if she got some new relations, coughGraciacough, but with the NPC list slowly growing, I'm not holding out hope for anybody really. It hurts that much more when Koba decides to sucker-punch ya :hehe:

Well, Merry Christmas Eve everyone :ph43r:
Edited by Manta Punk, Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:18 am.
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Well the misterius Shadow with the ball is Ranmaru who was imprisioned after Honnoji!!!! :ph43r: :ph43r:

Joking Aside everyone have a Good Cristhmas Eve ;) ;)

PD:I Watch Goemon 2009..take a look in youtube and Get it if you can..it's awesome!!
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guffaw i thought you were serious about the ranmaru thing then phewwff

if that was ranmaru then fair dos at leats hes in but i do beleive koba has more important plans for my little candy lovin cutie...
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Well...since thereīs no vid, Iīll try to do some math again:

31 characters were in SB2:H. From those:

Oda Nobunaga, Noh, Ranmaru, Akechi Mitsuhide, Imagawa Yoshimoto, Azai Nagamasa, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Takenaka Hanbei are dead.

Kasuga, Uesugi Kenshin, Takeda Shingen, Sarutobi Sasuke, Katakura Kojuuro are confirmed as NPCs.

Tokugawa Ieyasu, Honda Tadakatsu, Date Masamune, Sanada Yukimura, Mori Motonari, Chosokabe Motochika, Uesugi Keiji and Shimazu Yoshihiro return as playable characters.

So we allready know the fates of 21 characters.

Open are Maeda Toshiie, Matsu, Istuki, Zabii, Hojo Ujimasa, Honganji Kennyo, Miyamoto Musashi, Oichi, Fuma Kotaro, Matsunaga Hisahide.

Since Yoshihiro is in the game, itīs safe to assume that Musashi is there too. Out of Toshiie and Matsu, probably only one will represent the Maeda family. Mr. Kīs hint indicates that Oichi is probably a NPC . For Kotaro and Hisahide...thereīs no reason why those two should get the NPC stamp. Kennyo, Ujimasa...canīt say much about that, but I guess NPC...as for Zabii and Itsuki...I guess they are playable.

So if we go after my "prediction list":

Future returning NPCs:
Matsu/Toshiie
Oichi
Kennyo
Ujimasa
Shingen
Kojuuro
Sasuke

Future returning playable characters:
Musashi
Hisahide
Kotaro
Matsu/Toshiie
Itsuki
Zabii

Hmmm...though that would make for around 25 playable characters "only"... :/

Since we allready know of 10 characters, 2 are "blacked for now" and we probably have around 6 more character batches with at least playable 12 characters. Thatīd make 24 characters. :hmmm:

Well the prediction is probably wrong, but the fates of our "old favourites" became and becomes more and more clear. :ph43r:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:19 pm.
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Hmm... didn't mean to decrease the morale even further, but wasn't it back then in Capcom-Unity where one of the game descriptions is 'dozens of playable samurai heroes' or something like that?

Considering the current pace of character updates and how things turn out, looks like 24 is becoming a more plausible number for the playable roster.

But then again, I'd like to think that this is the consequence for having deeper movesets and branching storylines. Quality over quantity. Remember that people very rarely make something that is good both in quality and quantity, and even if someone does, it'll take much more time than usual to finish producing it. :rolleyes:
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Well if they add Itsuki and Zabii as playable characters, Iīm allready dissapointed.

I mean Itsukiīs not bad, same for Zabii, but if Itsuki doesnīt grow up and Zabiiīs still the slow-cannon he was before but favourite characters like Matsu/Toshiie get the NPC mark just because there canīt be "two Maedas"...meh.

But hey, so far I liked all the characters, old and new, so if there are 24 "deep" characters all in all and some of the new characters turn out to be characters like Mogami Yoshiaki, Hanzo Hattori, Sasaki Kojiro, Kobayakawa Hideaki, Tachibana Ginchiyo/Muneshige, Todo Takatora, ChaCha, Ukita Hideie, Shima Zakun, etc...itīs allright. ^_^

:mellow:

As long as I can enjoy playing as Hisahide. :hmmm:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:03 pm.
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