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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| wodash | Sun Jan 3, 2010 2:11 am Post #2626 |
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welcome on board then,just don't take the anime as >the< SB bible,because.......well....its not>.<(especially when regarding "who is the strongest" thing) |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Sun Jan 3, 2010 5:55 am Post #2627 |
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Welcome aboard Koen! Nice to see another "Basaramono" jon the ranks! Enjoy your stay! Back on topic, for once I fully agree with Ben. It'd be too idealistic to expect them to give us everything and not take away nothing, after all... That's why I say, do away with the story mode. I'd very gladly sacrifice it for more characters/gameplay innovations/game modes etc. I'm eager to see how far Koba and the development team will go with SB3....dunno why exactly, but I feel hopeful. |
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| HokutoNoBen | Sun Jan 3, 2010 6:10 am Post #2628 |
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Well, honestly, if SB could float without a story mode, I think they would do it as such. Would certainly save a lot of time, money and hiring voice actors to do so many lines. But if I remember correctly, one of the main complaints about BASARA the first, was that there was NO story mode. You had Conquer mode with a rather flimsy "narrative" to go with it. That would have been fine, if it was a true to form "Vs. Fighting" game, but for a game that was trying to do anything akin to some where between DMC and Dynasty Warriors, it was just not going to fly. That's probably why they did more for the story portion in later games. Besides, now you're getting a whole new generation of gamers who WANT these "compelling narratives" to go along with their games. Whether it's God of War in the West, or post-modern Final Fantasy in the East, you can't escape the droves of those who want these types of things in their games. Koba, being also the head of the DMC series as well as BASARA, probably is all too familiar with this. So, in short, SB3 is being constructed the way it is for many reasons. A lot of it doing with what probably marketing experts, PR teams and, yes, even producers like Koba, know what trends are present. |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Sun Jan 3, 2010 11:03 am Post #2629 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Hmmm...thatīs why I donīt understand why they cut characters like Nagamasa, Mitsuhide, Nobunaga and Hideyoshi. The non-japanese players will surely recognize Nagamasa as a "Power Ranger" thus love him and they all love powerfull, sadistic and bad people. I mean most of them say Mitsunariīs hair is gay or that the white guy looks like an ugly girl or that the red shirtless guy is gay (yeah, I know, not much variety in the complaints) or just something like that. But they also say: "I hope that dude with the shotgun or the psycho with the two sythes is in". (seeing them in the anime or from Devilkings) But well, most of them still love and have Masamune though since a lot say that the guy looks cool or that he has the voice of Zorro from One Piece and thus love him. I really hope, if Koba wants to solidify BASARA in America, that he counts in the different tastes of Japan and USA. I mean look at the latest addition, Magoichi, a lot of the english players think sheīs ugly cause she doesnīt have a Megan Fox face and Pamela boobs. And the only characters that wouldīve fit the cliche are Noh and Kasuga, but one is dead and the other is a NPC (so just looking, no touching )As youīve said Ben, most of them donīt care about japanese history or have a deep knowledge about it, so they donīt know why there is a freaking Gundam flying on the battlefield or why a bandaged guy is floating around, shooting his balls. We allready have someone that attracts some people (Masamune aka Dante) but we need more than that. I mean, the posterboys that we now had worked in japan, but would they have the same effect in America? I donīt really think so. If they had a video with Nobunagaīs epic talking while blowing the **** out of his shotguns, showing a sick laughing Mitsuhide while he slices up 100 of soldiers or show some "Ora-ora-ora-ora-ora" Hideyoshi slam action or his "face-meets- ground-rub"-move, itīd surely get more attention than a screaming dude with gay hair or a shirtless burning guy. Thatīs why I hope that theyīll add Kotaro and Hisahide as playable characters. I mean a silent badass Ninja is allways a sure hit over here and smooth talking Hisahide, who likes to blow up stuff and fight with one hand behind his back would also be a sure favourite. As for the story mode part...Kobyashi did the right thing. Especially now that he brings it over to america. A story mode is a must for a game like that. The only problem I have is that they might get too concentrated on the story mode and may have forgotten the other modes. I hope itīs not the case. For example if they add a "unification mode" they should really work on it. Cause if they let it be like it was before, itīs nothing more than random battles. I also wonder what Koba has in mind for the online thing...maybe a Battle Heroes styled arena mode for up to four players? Who knows? Anyway, Iīm also with NDY partly. I hate the cut and NPCīd characters part, but as long as we have a decent roster (28 playable characters or more) and NO NEW NPC CHARACTERS, Iīm ok. As I once said, those new characters are there to make up for the cut or NPCd characters, so itīd be a sick joke to give us a new cool character we canīt play as to make up for a cool character we canīt play as. EDIT: Also, btw...does anyone think weīll get a new video with this weekīs character batch? I mean afterall, we had gameplay vids of Yoshitsugu, Magoichi and a new story trailer + we havenīt had a video of Tadakatsu, Motochika and Motonari yet. Itīs really time for something new.
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Sun Jan 3, 2010 3:00 pm.
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| wodash | Sun Jan 3, 2010 2:52 pm Post #2630 |
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SBBH had a very nice concept of conquest mode,with all the characters being divided into 3 factions(east,west and neutral/keiji?) and having their own special battles aside from the semi generic ones,plus the "stamina" that decreases after each battle,forcing you to not rely on one character only the problem is SBBH's gameplay sucks,now imagine SBBH's conquest concept paired with SB3's refined gameplay,i think that's more than okay,perhaps just divide the sides into just 2 factions since this one is sekigahara heavy so there might be too little neutral factions to matter much........ as for online,i rather have a 4 men(max) co op survival,or SB2H style vs matches(daruma,capture the flag,team vs,SB style hot potato etc),SBBH's VS style is too bland and lacks variety for an online game IMO.... Edited by wodash, Sun Jan 3, 2010 2:53 pm.
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| murakumo | Sun Jan 3, 2010 6:04 pm Post #2631 |
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Light It Up
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I think after the rather long break over Christmas and New Year we deserve more than a modest update. I'm expecting characters, videos, screenshots, the whole shebang. But whether or not Kobapi will deliver all this I don't know. A new trailer, at least... Are the wii controls for Basara 2 going to be the same for Basara 3 do you think? Also what day does famitsu normally come out? |
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| AdawgDaFAB | Sun Jan 3, 2010 8:17 pm Post #2632 |
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I believe it releases on Thursdays but by Tuesday or Wednesday scans of it are usually already leaked online. Not 100% tho. |
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| The Outsider | Sun Jan 3, 2010 9:43 pm Post #2633 |
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You misunderstood me . What I was saying was I don't understand why they are concentrating on this perion with Kanetsugu being an NPC. Not why are they concentrating on this part of the period as a whole .
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| HokutoNoBen | Sun Jan 3, 2010 11:02 pm Post #2634 |
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B/c, unfortunately, Kanegetsu has a VERY important job being a joke character NPC! 8D Seriously though, if enough demands pour in, he may eventually become a unique. But now right now, it looks like... |
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| Lord Rizal | Tue Jan 5, 2010 8:37 am Post #2635 |
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Mastery over mind and body.
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Is there supposed to be a leak today? Any news on that? If the Ball n Chain guy is actually Mogami, then Im just going to give up speculating on the new characters...I've been Wayyyy off every time now. Though I am liking the way they are turning out.
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| BlackKite | Tue Jan 5, 2010 8:47 am Post #2636 |
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Kobayashi's blog just got updated again. This time it's saying that new information will come next week. Guess that confirms that there will be no new SB3 info this week, but there must be definitely one next week.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Tue Jan 5, 2010 9:44 am Post #2637 |
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Kobayashi better drop an A-bomb of informations. Characters, gameplay features, new modes, trailer, gameplay videos, etc. Cause itīs really not funny anymore. Two weeks without anything? Tsss...oh well canīt help it
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| Manta Punk | Tue Jan 5, 2010 10:31 am Post #2638 |
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Drat, thats a shame. I was honestly expecting something... Its been over a month since Maggie was revealed, so this week would have been perfect, but I suppose the Jump Festa did quench our thirst... Hopefully, we'll be content with what we get. I'm hoping we'll see that damned Yoshi vid on Thursday as well... Edited by Manta Punk, Tue Jan 5, 2010 10:42 am.
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Tue Jan 5, 2010 10:50 am Post #2639 |
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Koba said that he will give out more info next week...so maybe it's possible for Famitsu to precede him? It happened before after all.... ....OK, better stop hoping and start waiting... What's the site update this week anyway? Kenshin and Kasuga's voices? |
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| Ultimate Legend | Tue Jan 5, 2010 1:03 pm Post #2640 |
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Yep. Maybe with extra screens or an explanation of a new battle system or something. |
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| murakumo | Tue Jan 5, 2010 5:26 pm Post #2641 |
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I'm not going to start speculating what goes on in Kobapi's crazy little mind, but he really seems to enjoy our pain doesn't he? I keep telling myself there must be a reason for it, but then again I don't know... Plus do you think that Yoshi and Maggie's vids will come out first, followed by Motochika and Mouri's? I haven't heard anything about vids for the last two, but they must have them right?
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| Reaper | Tue Jan 5, 2010 6:48 pm Post #2642 |
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I really wanna see a Yoshitsugu vid. I really wanna see his playing/fighting style. |
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| So Nyuh Shi Dae | Tue Jan 5, 2010 10:52 pm Post #2643 |
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*sigh* how I wish Kobayashi would stop making us wait like this, so much for a New Years present .I'm really psyched about Yoshitsugu, I hope his gameplay vid will come out this week since he was revealed before the two motos. Hopefully this issue will have info on alt. costumes, because seriously I don't know about you guys but for some reason I'm rreeaallyyy hoping for it.Though with Koba's surprises(sometimes painful) coming out randomly I'm not counting on it .I'm still pissed about having Kasu,Koju,and Sasu NPCified, Kenshin doesn't interest me in the game at all really so I could care less about him since Mitsunari replaces him,and seems to be doing a fine job at it .GGGRRAAAHHH Next weeks issue better be good because if not, angry yaoi fangirls are going to be the least of Koba's worries |
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| Ultimate Legend | Wed Jan 6, 2010 3:30 am Post #2644 |
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Kasuga was one of my least favorite characters (Along with Itsuki) so she doesn't matter. But you say you don't care about Kenshin in this game (Which I don't agree with. Still have different skills). because Mitsunari is replacing him, how do you know others won't "replace" the other characters? |
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| murakumo | Wed Jan 6, 2010 11:55 am Post #2645 |
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I don't think anybody is going to "replace" anybody. I suppose that with some characters out of the picture, then there are more opportunities for similar weapons and movesets to made use of (such as Maggie with guns, whereas before Nouhime was the main gun user). But Mitsunari isn't a carbon copy of Kenshin; when you get down to it they're different, so I don't think it's fair to say that they are just replacing older characters. |
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| HokutoNoBen | Wed Jan 6, 2010 11:57 pm Post #2646 |
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Again, the main thing to take to note is that this seemingly is a nice example of the "Tekken 3" effect. Where in, upon that sequel, some characters were removed, and some other characters did a lot to "thematically continue" where they left off. (For example, T3 Jin is Kazuya and Jun, while T3 King is based on T1-2 King plus Armor King). That's exactly what's going on here. Mitsunari is basically a "thematic" continuation of Kenshin, but he's not his replacement either. Same thing goes for Ieyasu and Hideyoshi, and the aforementioned Maggie and Nou. Because these characters are merely thematic continuations, they're still characters unto themselves, and the original characters still do a lot to maintain their uniqueness (even though Nou is going to seem positively plain compared to Maggie, without some help). Therefore, it'll be gravy when we see this characters a year later in the "HEROES" expansion, because the original characters will still have a flavor all of their own. |
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| So Nyuh Shi Dae | Thu Jan 7, 2010 2:02 am Post #2647 |
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Mmm yes I mis-worded my sentence I didn't mean Mitsunari literally "replaces hime I meant play a "role in the game as the main"speed dude". Just like Maggie is the new "gun lady". Not replacement I meant role. Its hard to explain in words but I know you guys are smart enough to figure out what I mean. . And about Kenshin, I don't know besides his moveset he didn't really pique my interest. Shingen however was wicked awesome,rockin' story,beastly moveset. truly a godly character who certaintly puts a new meaning in the term "cool old guy" I would choose Shingen over Kenshin ANY day
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Thu Jan 7, 2010 2:49 am Post #2648 |
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The old cool man must be happy from his sickbed now...it doesn't happen often to hear fans pronounce their admiration from him! But I agree that he's got a real badass personality...so does Kenshin too imho. About "cool old guys" anyway, doesn't Shingen have fierce competition in Yoshihiro though? Back on Topic....-6 days to the spoiler....this is gonna be a long week...we need some vids today, to quench our thirst... EDIT: The official site updated with Kenshin and Kasuga's voice clips, plus some screenshots featuring the both of them + Ieyasu. Kenshin: O tumults...continue on without end! Until the tiger wakes from his slumber! To put to the test...that is my duty... Kasuga: If I defeat this one...give me the order, lord Kenshin! Damn Keiji...when are you going back to the Maeda!? Edited by Nine Demons Yoshitaka, Thu Jan 7, 2010 6:15 am.
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| Manta Punk | Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:00 pm Post #2649 |
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Still no Yoshi vid. Ah well, I suppose next week is gonna be a total blow out. The new character, the returning characters, possibly a new gameplay mechanic description and hopefully, a Maggi or Yoshi vid. C'mon Koba... I've been waiting since October for some Yoshi action love. As for the new characters "replacing" the cut ones, again, it'd be pretty damn hard to make a roster nearly pushing 50 play completely different from one another, with out some suffering from a unoriginal and generic moveset, and BASARAs all about over-the-top, flashy action. Also, I assume Capcom took this route to cater to those who've lost there favourites due to the cuts. Lets face it, if you like playing Iai-jutsu style character like Kenshin, by the way he's looking, your gonna like Mitsunari. And lets not forget, not all new characters are are "replacments" for the NPCs and the cuts. My boy Yoshi seems to have adopted a unique playing style no one else in the cast has, and Ieyasu, while fighting with his fists, looks to play nothing like Hideyoshi. The only similar trait I can see is the rapid punches. Oh, NDY, I need to thank you for the script translations in the Battle Heroes thread. I thought it better posting my thanks here than just typing a two word post in the official thread ^_^;; |
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| Watchtower | Thu Jan 7, 2010 9:40 pm Post #2650 |
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So the character update ain't this week, eh? Dammit, that's a kick to my New Year's joy. Well, if we ever do get an update, then I'll be glad. I really want to see how Yoshitsugu and Magoichi play.
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