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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,231 Views)
Azu
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Wow, Tsuruhime! Didn't see that one coming. I also like her outfit. I think I'm doing some research :)
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Sorry if this has been asked before but is there a set release date for Japan as of yet?
Edited by Musashi-Miyamoto, Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:48 pm.
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Musashi-Miyamoto
Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:47 pm
Sorry if this has been asked before but is there a set release date for Japan as of yet?
I don't think there is a release date yet haha. Erm, I'm assuming it will be around June or July :unsure: .
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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Uhm...do I see a pattern here?

Everyone who uses a bow = side-story/annoying character? :huh:

Itīs not that I donīt like her...itīs just that I have bad memorys about the young bow wielding characters. <_<

Hope it doesnīt turn out to be another candy-hunt :rolleyes:

Well gotta say I like Kanbeiīs design. Only thing Iīm afraid is, that heīs "too slow". Gotta judge him later on, once weīve seen a gameplay vid, as well as Tsu-chan(yeah, donīt know her that well, so Iīll stick with that name).

Though this really throws out all my theories again. Update pattern, possible roster size...heck now even "any" character can appear, since they really **** on anything that has to do with the time/Sekigahara rule with this character. But itīs funny that even though Matsu AND Toshiie have more than one reason to appear in a BASARA version of Sekigahara, but only one can be there thanks to the "clan rule" and then characters like Tsu-chan - who have NOTH!NG to do with Sekigahara...AT ALL - are added...I really wanna know whatīs going on in your mind.

Well, as long as Hisahide is in (and thanks to that addition, his chances have risen to about 100000.99% percent) Iīm fine with everything you do, Mr. K. :)
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:01 pm.
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:59 pm
Uhm...do I see a pattern here?

Everyone who uses a bow = side-story/annoying character? :huh:

Itīs not that I donīt like her...itīs just that I have bad memorys about the young bow wielding characters. <_<

Hope it doesnīt turn out to be another candy-hunt :rolleyes:

Well gotta say I like Kanbeiīs design. Only thing Iīm afraid is, that heīs "too slow". Gotta judge him later on, once weīve seen a gameplay vid, as well as Tsu-chan(yeah, donīt know her that well, so Iīll stick with that name).

Though this really throws out all my theories again. Update pattern, possible roster size...heck now even "any" character can appear, since they really **** on anything that has to do with the time/Sekigahara rule with this character. But itīs funny that even though Matsu AND Toshiie have more than one reason to appear in a BASARA version of Sekigahara, but only one can be there thanks to the "clan rule" and then characters like Tsu-chan - who have NOTH!NG to do with Sekigahara...AT ALL - are added...I really wanna know whatīs going on in your mind.

Well, as long as Hisahide is in (and thanks to that addition, his chances have risen to about 100000.99% percent) Iīm fine with everything you do, Mr. K. :)
Just curoius, what did Hisahide do around these times :) ?
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Well, seeing as Hisdahide was dead by 1577, he didn't really play a part in Sekigahara. I think DK's just excited about his chances just sky rocketing, as he should be. Some of us assumed Matsunaga might not make it due to his "early" death, but with the inclusion of Tsuruhime, who died well before he did, the brilliant bastard stands a decent chance :hehe:

AdawgDaFAB: Hmm, I can't really see Kanbei playing like Itsuki. Could you really imagine him using Itsuki's Ora sa chikara skill XD
Still, some of the moves maybe similar, but most of the characters who weild huge weapons have skills that resembles others. Plus, I doubt Itsuki is gonna get the chop. The series is in need of women/girls, and with some of the old-school females gone, she'll probably make it, wether shes playable or a NPC. I mean, Koba seems to have a decent list of women to choose from, but he needs to keep some of the veterans in the game. Nouhime and Kasuga aren't playable, Oichis in limbo, so that leaves Matsu and Itsuki.
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Well, seeing as Hisdahide was dead by 1577, he didn't really play a part in Sekigahara. I think DK's just excited about his chances just sky rocketing, as he should be. Some of us assumed Matsunaga might not make it due to his "early" death, but with the inclusion of Tsuruhime, who died well before he did, the brilliant bastard stands a decent chance :hehe:


God, I hope that he's included. When SB3 was first announced, Matsunaga was the first character I wanted to see return as a playable from all of the previous characters.
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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Well, as far as my theory goes, Matsunaga might be the one who pulled the strings for Sekigahara to happen.

I mean afterall, if you count in that he "made" Masamune a more capable leader, let Hideyshoi suffer and thus brought him down his power-seeking road and now that Iīve read Ieyasuīs Battle Heroes story, he again told Ieyasu just what to do.

Even though these may just be side/non-relevant stories, it seems that Ieyasuīs friendship with Motochika from Sengoku BASARA 2 HEROES hasnīt been forgotten, so Hisahideīs "deeds" from SB2:Hīs Gaiden stories may too, still exist in SB3īs past.

Also Kobayashi allready said that Matsunaga is "too big" to appear in a game like Sengoku BASARA Battle Heroes...so a big role as the big bad guy in SB3 isnīt too impossible.

Hmmm...I wonder how Kanbei will exist in future titles. I mean he canīt stay locked up with that chainball forever, can he? (though even more interesting would be, why he was locked up in the first place - at least the BASARA version of it) :huh:

Or itīs really as I said, he just "restrains" himself, cause heīs too powerfull and/or too lazy to fight serious :lol:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:44 pm.
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I wonder if Tsuruhime is going to fight like ranmaru O.o?
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:01 pm
I wonder if Tsuruhime is going to fight like ranmaru O.o?
Probably similar, but i think the two move sets will be fairly diferent. Judging by her badass looking basara, She will be to Ranmaru, what Magoichi is to Nouhime, if that makes any sense. Just an overall, badass improvement. :hehe:

@Devilsking: Did Kobayashi really say that Hisahide was too big for SB:BH? Because if he really did then i have no doubt that he has finally made it into SB3. :D
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tsuruhime looks really interesting so shes the 7th daughter of ujiyasu
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:44 pm
tsuruhime looks really interesting so shes the 7th daughter of ujiyasu
She is...I didn't know that. Hmph...anyways I hope they add Gracia. Gracia and Tsuruhime could travel together. And be best of pals! LOL But seriously though, Gracia would be a great addition to the series, and she would obviously align with the eastern army and not Mitsunari. After all he tried to take her hostage. Please Koba, add Gracia and make her magical. :wub:
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NDY, thanks for the translations. So appearantly, Tsuruhime's got a massive hard-on for the sea, to the point where she sees Motochika as a threat to it. Oh yeah, this chick's gonna be nuts. I hope it's the "funny" kind of nuts, and not the "annoying". -_-

Great, now we're left completely in the dark about the next update. Not even a silhouette to give us any clues. Man, I hope it comes soon, 'cause I'm psyched. Who knows, maybe they've left the silhouette out to hide something. Maybe even something BIG. :sly:
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So Tsuru is an Eastern fellow? Hmmm, thats nice...hope she can kick ass with that bow. :heart: :heart:

Now i want to see Kanbei's moveset the most, that ball and chain thing totally means ass kicking. :shifty:
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Also Kobayashi allready said that Matsunaga is "too big" to appear in a game like Sengoku BASARA Battle Heroes...so a big role as the big bad guy in SB3 isnīt too impossible.


He said that? Oh, I like the sound of that. :hehe:

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Great, now we're left completely in the dark about the next update. Not even a silhouette to give us any clues. Man, I hope it comes soon, 'cause I'm psyched. Who knows, maybe they've left the silhouette out to hide something. Maybe even something BIG. :sly:


Hm, interesting notion. On one hand the pessimist in me is saying not to read too much into it, but on the other hand...
In any case, I sure hope that news will start trickling in a bit more often from now on.
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It looks like to me they're just taking previous character's weapons/styles and giving them to a new character.

Magoichi looks like she'll play exactly if not, similar to Noh.
Mitsunari looks like a Kenshin clone.

And the new character chick looks like she'll be just like Ranmaru.

I'm not impressed with Capcom at all. D:<
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:11 pm
It looks like to me they're just taking previous character's weapons/styles and giving them to a new character.

Magoichi looks like she'll play exactly if not, similar to Noh.
Mitsunari looks like a Kenshin clone.

And the new character chick looks like she'll be just like Ranmaru.

I'm not impressed with Capcom at all. D:<
No.

Just because they have a similar style / weapon, doesn't mean that they are going to play the same.
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:11 pm
It looks like to me they're just taking previous character's weapons/styles and giving them to a new character.

Magoichi looks like she'll play exactly if not, similar to Noh.
Mitsunari looks like a Kenshin clone.

And the new character chick looks like she'll be just like Ranmaru.

I'm not impressed with Capcom at all. D:<
If you paid any attention at all to the videos and comments on Magoichi's video, you would know that all the characters are in no way clones of each other. ;)
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Anybody else think the two characters' costumes are kinda lacking the Basara feel? Mayb I'm crazy. Tsuru's basara looks like an a 360 arrow shower if I'm not mistaken.
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:43 pm
Well, as far as my theory goes, Matsunaga might be the one who pulled the strings for Sekigahara to happen.

I mean afterall, if you count in that he "made" Masamune a more capable leader, let Hideyshoi suffer and thus brought him down his power-seeking road and now that Iīve read Ieyasuīs Battle Heroes story, he again told Ieyasu just what to do.

Even though these may just be side/non-relevant stories, it seems that Ieyasuīs friendship with Motochika from Sengoku BASARA 2 HEROES hasnīt been forgotten, so Hisahideīs "deeds" from SB2:Hīs Gaiden stories may too, still exist in SB3īs past.

Also Kobayashi allready said that Matsunaga is "too big" to appear in a game like Sengoku BASARA Battle Heroes...so a big role as the big bad guy in SB3 isnīt too impossible.

Hmmm...I wonder how Kanbei will exist in future titles. I mean he canīt stay locked up with that chainball forever, can he? (though even more interesting would be, why he was locked up in the first place - at least the BASARA version of it) :huh:

Or itīs really as I said, he just "restrains" himself, cause heīs too powerfull and/or too lazy to fight serious :lol:
Yeah, you and I have been passing this type of thing back and forth for a while.

You forgot one thing: The way that Nobunaga acts towards Matsunaga, it sounds safe to presume that those two have a lot of history, as well. (In fact, Nobunaga's SBBH storyline seems to indicate even further that even Nobunaga regards him as a sizable threat, but I'll let NDY tell that in detail).

If so much is true, then, yeah, Matsunaga has a direct hand in a lot of what led up to Sekigahara. Right up to a number of the precursory events that set the stage for the conflict.

Again, I don't see Matsunaga as the Nobunaga, or even the Hideyoshi type of character, at all. But I do indeed see him as the Machiavellian sort who would be basically content to stir up some trouble on both sides, and just...see where the chips fall. Then at the end, for little more than the sake of his amusement, he may challenge the winner to see if they're TRULY up for the task of inheriting this new world.

In essence, some where between Iago (Shakespeare's Othello), Xanatos (Disney's Gargoyles) and Treize Kushrenada (Gundam Wing) is where I see Hisahide comfortably residing in character archetype. With perhaps Fuuma Kotaro (now rolling with him, since Hojo's gone) serving effectively as his "Dragon". :hehe:


Any way, now that we seemingly have bona fide proof even further that showcases that non Sekigahara personalities can be present, I wonder if this ups even Oichi's chances. Short of Cha Cha/Yodo-dono taking her place, of course...
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Alright, so let me try to see if I got this right for the lines drawn for the Battle of Sekigahara.


Tokugawa Forces:

Tokugawa Ieyasu
Honda Tadakatsu
Date Masamune
Katakuro Kojurro (NPC)
Saika Magoichi
Kuroda Kanbei
Tsuruhime

Toyotomi Forces:

Ishida Mitsunari
Otani Yoshitsugu
Sanada Yukimura
Sarutobi Sasuke (NPC)
Uesegi Kenshin (NPC)
Kasuga (NPC)
Naoe Kanetsugu (Unique Generic......what a poor bastard)
Maeda Keiji
Mori Motonari
Chosokabe Motochika

Did I get those right? And where does Shimazu Yoshihiro belong?

.......AND DAMMIT, I FORGOT WHICH WAS EAST AND WHICH WAS WEST!!!
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If I'm not mistaken, Mitsunari is Eastern...?
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hmm,new characters,SB3 really starts to look like tekken 3 now,lets all hold hands and hope for a sengoku basara TAG tournament>.<

jokes aside,let's see what's in the store...

1.revealed character:kuroda kanbei,not much surprise there,its more like an "Oh,the other guy's guess was right!",lets just hope he can "wake up and break the chains of destiny......"

2."surprise character",another "new" replacement,with the backstory revealed,ranmaru aside,i'm pretty worried itsuki won't make it to this game either,since the new lady seems to be using itsuki's charm now,also if any,i suddenly thought of DW6 SSX when i see her....

3.shimazu yoshihiro,YEAH,this is what i'm talking about!!!!....not.-_-,glad that he's still around though,they should instantly show his cool new moves instead of repeating the same old backstory.......

anyways,not in the mood to be hyped up with the update,but not too disappointed either,it looks like the roster wouldn't be much different with SB2 in numbers&NPC's,but expect a lot of "not so new" characters a.k.a the replacements

so it settled then that there are now 5 types of characters in SB3
1.the new dude,totally new one,be it palanquin riding or ball&chain restrained type of guy
2.the old farts,guys that you can spot from miles away even in their shadowy unrevealed pics
3.the replacements,looks different,fights a bit different,but mostly they're here to fill the blanks left by the "older" characters,these guys are the main controversy in the board since many love them and yet many hate them,mostly because they looked ugly to some individuals and vice versa
4.the NPC's,nobody likes them nowadays,apparently
5.the character you always wanted to be in but is still not confirmed to be in but you are SURE 1000% that they'll be in

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eklineage
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Basara needs ninjas.
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Western Army = Mitsunari
Eastern Army = Tokugawa

Assuming we are following history, Shimazu would be West.
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