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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
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Forgive me if I sound like I'm talking down about the series, but... they get rid of the characters that died/had no importance on Sekigahara (most of the Oda, Nagamasa, NPCify Kusaga and Kenshin), but make exceptions for Motonari (fan favorite?) and archer chick? I mean, I did read that right, Pre-Nobunaga, meaning before?

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Whatever, more boobs.

Also, Kanbei looks interesting... did NOT expect that at all.
To be fair The Mori are a part of Sekigahara in a ways, makes sense for him to be alive rather then add his grandson when Motonari looks thirty in the first place. Tsuru is random, but she obviously was thought important enought o be in. -_-

Its not like shes sex appeal, its obvious she isn't.
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Its not like shes sex appeal, its obvious she isn't.
Unless you have a thing for archers, or schoolgirls. :whistle:
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:14 pm
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:10 pm
Its not like shes sex appeal, its obvious she isn't.
Unless you have a thing for archers, or schoolgirls. :whistle:
Or underaged girls. :o Thats disgusting. :sick:
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:14 pm
Xanxus
Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:10 pm
Its not like shes sex appeal, its obvious she isn't.
Unless you have a thing for archers, or schoolgirls. :whistle:
Or underaged girls. :o Thats disgusting. :sick:
There's a market for that in Japan, so why not?

Anyways, not meaning to sound like I was being bitchy, just confused since the timeline is, for once, important in this game. Just so long as I wasn't the only one thinking her inclusion is a little random.

She looks... okay... I suppose. Not enough pictures or video of her to make a more detail judgment of her.
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:33 pm
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:19 pm
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:14 pm
Xanxus
Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:10 pm
Its not like shes sex appeal, its obvious she isn't.
Unless you have a thing for archers, or schoolgirls. :whistle:
Or underaged girls. :o Thats disgusting. :sick:
There's a market for that in Japan, so why not?

Anyways, not meaning to sound like I was being bitchy, just confused since the timeline is, for once, important in this game. Just so long as I wasn't the only one thinking her inclusion is a little random.

She looks... okay... I suppose. Not enough pictures or video of her to make a more detail judgment of her.
I do see where you're going with this, Gingi. Tsuruhime is a random choice for a game that's setting itself up as a bona fide sequel to SB2. But I don't see too many problems with that. It's still a new character, who'll throw a new spin on the upcoming events, and we non-Japanese have our Ranmaru replacement.
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The character cuts...must have been made to inject new interest into the series, and possibly attract new people I guess. (Capcom seems to love doing this...) Sekigahara was a convenient excuse.

Since they have probably eliminated Itsuki, they needed another little girl to appeal to fans of this archetype, so after much brainstorming and checking Wikipedia they found this archer priestess of Shikoku, who happened to die young too.


Loli elements? Check. (Itsuki replacement)

Elements not yet present in Basara? Check. (priestess role)

Archer? Awesome! (Ranmaru replacement)

She's from Iyo, Shikoku! Great! (unrepresented region + Aniki needs pals)


At least that's how I think it went. Seriously speaking, the Oda and Toyotomi must have been cut because they wanted to give more space to Sekigahara (something that Tsuru doesn't change), so all chars mainly related to them got swept away too.


In short, we could expect almost anything and anyone by now, even...


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Tsuru's inclusion is part of my new theory about character choices Capcom is making. I think they're trying to represent all the regions of Japan with a character to beef up the whole "choosing sides" and stuff for Sekigahara.

When you look at Shikoku, there's like eight clans on the island but only two of them are major(Chosokabe and Miyoshi.) Miyoshi also had territory on Honshu and will possibly be represented by Matsunaga, so that leaves Shikoku without much choices that's not Chosokabe. Enter Tsuruhime, who honestly is a more interesting choice than anyone else from the Kono clan; the Saionji, Ichijo, Utsunomiya and Sogo aren't even worth mentioning.

This makes me think we'll definitely see some characters from northern Kyushu, the far north of Oshu, Kanto, and eastern Chugoku.
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:14 am
This makes me think we'll definitely see some characters from northern Kyushu, the far north of Oshu , Kanto, and eastern Chugoku.
This makes me happy. Northern Oshu (or most northern regions for that matter) are hardly ever talked about in games. Mostly since the usually fought amongst themselves, but still, there are some interesting people there i wouldn't mind seeing.

I'm starting to get hyped for the next Basara update now, this last one, not so much, but now things are starting to pick up and peak my interest. Too bad we might have to wait another month(ish) for the next update. Man, i'm not a fan of this update pattern at all.
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Northern Kyushu...it'd be weird (although I'd probably fangasm) to see Otomo Sorin (and his 3 major generals) or Ryuzoji Takanobu, so I guess Tachibana Muneshige and Nabeshima Naoshige are more probable..? I guess Kato Kiyomasa has a bigger chance though. Kyushu definitely needs more people.

And wouldn't Kanbei be considered a eastern Chugoku general? He's got ties to Himeji, right? But this being centered around Sekigahara, he'll probably start in Kyushu...

Ukita Hideie is almost a no-brainer...finally Motonari will have some competition on his same field...

I don't know much about northern Oshu, but I wonder if Mogami's inclusion would take away the chance of a Tsugaru/Nanbu character...
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:50 am
Basara (bottom pic):

Tsuru freezes the ground and sends multiple arrows all around her while sliding gracefully.


Tsuru freezes the ground? That quite possibly means she's and ice user.Which is good since the other ice users seem to be...disappearing. However this probably means Tsu-chan really is the Itsuki substitute. Being the new ice wielding loli along with seeming to have an Itsuki-like attitude unfortunately boosts Itsuki chance of being axed. Or vice-versa, perhaps the two girls being friends, finding out they both have similar motives and personalities they might become a magical girl duo thingy :P . Maybe Tsu-chans alt costume will be like Itsuki's alt being all pretty and sparkly.

Anyway its certainly obvious we can't expect stuff since Koba seems to like taking us by surprise :hehe:

But I see this as a good thing that other historical based games don't have(not only jap history games though). Most games like this focus on majorly on the most popular and prominent clans/dominions/rulers. However BASARA seems to be taking a whole new route by representing the less known and forgotten. I personally think this is an excellent route to go. Do something that other like-games haven't done. Thats what I love about Capcom. They are (for the most part) very original.

Hmmm Northern Oshu. Sounds cool perhaps a rival or friend for Masamune. Or perhaps a relative. I'll have to read up more jap history in order to keep up with you Sengoku experts :XD .
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Well Tsuruhime certainly threw my prediction machine into confusion. I guess it's alright... there are more options of characters and Basara is loosely based on history anyway. In history, Keiji is not some super badass samurai and Kenshin was some drunk fool who would have died on his own despite someone stabbing him with a short spear.
Edited by eklineage, Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:28 am.
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I thought Kenshin's cause of death was alcohol poisoning? Anyway, If Seraphil's region prediction is accurate I'd be interested to see which clans are represented.
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I really believe that Kobayashi is simply stretching it with Tsuruhime simply for added females. I don't know what we could really draw from her being added other than the fact that it's harder to find a good amount of new female additions within the timeframe, so some concessions were made. Kobayashi did say he wanted to add more ladies, correct?
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:54 am
I really believe that Kobayashi is simply stretching it with Tsuruhime simply for added females. I don't know what we could really draw from her being added other than the fact that it's harder to find a good amount of new female additions within the timeframe, so some concessions were made. Kobayashi did say he wanted to add more ladies, correct?
That's the thing though. There ISN'T a shortage of decent female choices from this timeframe. I can name over a half-dozen right off the top of my head: Nana, Senhime, Chacha, Kasuga no Tsubone, Inahime, Ginchiyo and Gracia. There's quite a few more beyond that as well.

However, there is a shortage of notable people from that particular region of Japan. The west in general is a bit lacking in that area, actually, outside of Ginchiyo.
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I feel a little ignored. <_< Oh well.

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That's the thing though. There ISN'T a shortage of decent female choices from this timeframe. I can name over a half-dozen right off the top of my head: Nana, Senhime, Chacha, Kasuga no Tsubone, Inahime, Ginchiyo and Gracia. There's quite a few more beyond that as well.


Well again that's a very wide spectrum. Those ladies came from all over the time period, and some of them have as little connection to Sekigahara as Tsuru. I'm gonna eliminate Ina and Sen right now, since Ina is Tadakatsu's daughter (unless mecha can breed), and Sen was the granddaughter of both Ichi and Ieyasu, so that's a bit of a far stretch for this game.

The main reason I mentioned Tsuru in the first place was because I was trying to look for more obscure females that Kobapii would be able to include just for the sake of adding more women.
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:51 am
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:54 am
I really believe that Kobayashi is simply stretching it with Tsuruhime simply for added females. I don't know what we could really draw from her being added other than the fact that it's harder to find a good amount of new female additions within the timeframe, so some concessions were made. Kobayashi did say he wanted to add more ladies, correct?
That's the thing though. There ISN'T a shortage of decent female choices from this timeframe. I can name over a half-dozen right off the top of my head: Nana, Senhime, Chacha, Kasuga no Tsubone, Inahime, Ginchiyo and Gracia. There's quite a few more beyond that as well.

However, there is a shortage of notable people from that particular region of Japan. The west in general is a bit lacking in that area, actually, outside of Ginchiyo.
We already know the West is gonna win though lol...at the very least
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I'm way behind on this topic. I just heard Kojuuro was made an NPC...and he is by far my favorite character in the series. I am pretty disappointed, as I see no real reason why he should be made an NPC. Nonetheless, I'll see where Capcom is going with making so many characters NPCs. My best hope is that Capcom designs an adequate replacement for him.
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if they come out with a sengoku basara 3 heroes shouldnt all the NPCs become PCs like in SB2?
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:33 pm
I'm way behind on this topic. I just heard Kojuuro was made an NPC...and he is by far my favorite character in the series. I am pretty disappointed, as I see no real reason why he should be made an NPC. Nonetheless, I'll see where Capcom is going with making so many characters NPCs. My best hope is that Capcom designs an adequate replacement for him.
as i said before,several characters are already a "semi clone" of another character,one example is kojuuro,which is a heavily tweaked masamune,so yeah,your kojuuro "replacement" is one of the very first SB3 character that is announced....

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if they come out with a sengoku basara 3 heroes shouldnt all the NPCs become PCs like in SB2?
its a possibility that we can't deny or confirm since SB3 itself isnt here yet,who knows whether they will stop right at 3 due to the bad sales and rants a la devil kings?

so if you desperately want a HEROES follow up,try to please capcom by purchasing 10 copies of SB3..... :crazy:


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haha 10 copies lol yea but i really hope they do come out with a SB3H
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I'm way behind on this topic. I just heard Kojuuro was made an NPC...and he is by far my favorite character in the series. I am pretty disappointed, as I see no real reason why he should be made an NPC. Nonetheless, I'll see where Capcom is going with making so many characters NPCs. My best hope is that Capcom designs an adequate replacement for him.
as i said before,several characters are already a "semi clone" of another character,one example is kojuuro,which is a heavily tweaked masamune,so yeah,your kojuuro "replacement" is one of the very first SB3 character that is announced....
A semiclone? I really don't see how Kojuuro is that much similar to Date. The only similarities I can see between them other than the lightning element are just 2 special moves: Kojuuro's Narukami and Sengetsu are similar to two of Date's. Other than that they play completely different. That's like claiming Genjuro to be a heavily tweaked version of Haohmaru in Samurai Shodown. Yeah...I don't agree with that. It may have been a while since I've played Heroes, but I know for certain that Kojuuro did not play like Date. So no, Date would not satisfy me. :lol:

And as I've said before, I'm way behind on the topic, so I wouldn't have read any of your previous posts. I only chose to utter my dissatisfaction of the recent update revealing the 2 "new" npcs.
Edited by Yedo, Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:32 am.
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A semiclone? I really don't see how Kojuuro is that much similar to Date. The only similarities I can see between them other than the lightning element are just 2 special moves: Kojuuro's Narukami and Sengetsu are similar to two of Date's. Other than that they play completely different. That's like claiming Genjuro to be a heavily tweaked version of Haohmaru in Samurai Shodown. Yeah...I don't agree with that. It may have been a while since I've played Heroes, but I know for certain that Kojuuro did not play like Date. So no, Date would not satisfy me. :lol:

And as I've said before, I'm way behind on the topic, so I wouldn't have read any of your previous posts. I only chose to utter my dissatisfaction of the recent update revealing the 2 "new" npcs.
^hence why i said a highly modified masamune,isnt that what the "replacements" all about,you're blurring your own point there...

lets see for a while here
hideyoshi~ieyasu
kenshin~mitsunari
noh(+a bit of nobunaga)~magoichi
ranmaru(itsuki's charm&element)~tsuruhime

does any of those characters a carbon copy of each others?no,does the majority accept them as the replacements?kinda

as for the clone characters,the SB series deals with it decently,in SB2H there are a lot of clones
-tadakatsu,shingen,kennyo
-ieyasu,toshhie
-kenshin,yoshimoto

does they share the same S strings,albeit modified in some parts with each other?yes,does any of them play the same way with their "clones"? god no.

that's exactly how the "masamune is kojuuro's replacement" derived from whilist the truth is its actually the other way around since masamune is the original one and in SB2 kojuro IS masamune's clone,literally,since he used masamune's S string and only has one special

as for fighting games,let me give you a more simple example:in SFZ and onwards does ryu&ken plays the same way?they start at the SAME root with RYU as the base(in SF1),as the game progresses they become TOTALLY different characters to play with

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A semiclone? I really don't see how Kojuuro is that much similar to Date. The only similarities I can see between them other than the lightning element are just 2 special moves: Kojuuro's Narukami and Sengetsu are similar to two of Date's. Other than that they play completely different. That's like claiming Genjuro to be a heavily tweaked version of Haohmaru in Samurai Shodown. Yeah...I don't agree with that. It may have been a while since I've played Heroes, but I know for certain that Kojuuro did not play like Date. So no, Date would not satisfy me. :lol:

And as I've said before, I'm way behind on the topic, so I wouldn't have read any of your previous posts. I only chose to utter my dissatisfaction of the recent update revealing the 2 "new" npcs.
^hence why i said a highly modified masamune,isnt that what the "replacements" all about,you're blurring your own point there...

lets see for a while here
hideyoshi~ieyasu
kenshin~mitsunari
noh(+a bit of nobunaga)~magoichi
ranmaru(itsuki's charm&element)~tsuruhime

does any of those characters a carbon copy of each others?no,does the majority accept them as the replacements?kinda

as for the clone characters,the SB series deals with it decently,in SB2H there are a lot of clones
-tadakatsu,shingen,kennyo
-ieyasu,toshhie
-kenshin,yoshimoto

does they share the same S strings,albeit modified in some parts with each other?yes,does any of them play the same way with their "clones"? god no.

that's exactly how the "masamune is kojuuro's replacement" derived from whilist the truth is its actually the other way around since masamune is the original one and in SB2 kojuro IS masamune's clone,literally,since he used masamune's S string and only has one special

as for fighting games,let me give you a more simple example:in SFZ and onwards does ryu&ken plays the same way?they start at the SAME root with RYU as the base(in SF1),as the game progresses they become TOTALLY different characters to play with

I don't agree with that. I really don't consider Date to be Kojuuro's replacement at all.

I'll use some of your examples.

Hideyoshi vs Ieyasu Tokugawa: Yes, I'd consider Tokugawa as a character taking up Hideyoshi's mantle. Why? They practically wield the same weapons...Fighting bracers or armored gloves, both characters utilize similar fighting styles in which they pummel their opponents with explosive punches. The only real difference so far is that Hideyoshi uses grapples whereas Tokugawa does not.

Kenshin vs Mitsunari: Oh definitely, Mitsunari replaces Kenshin. Why? They both wield extremely long nodachi. They both use the same fighting style as their foundation, Iaijutsu, except have their own style in portraying it.

As for the others, I'd have to see Magoichi and Tsurihime play to make comparisons.

Now moving on to Date and Kojuuro, no I can't consider Date to be Kojuuro's replacement. Why? For one, Date uses 6 Katana, and occassionally draws them all at once for battle. Kojuuro on the other hand uses two nodachi, employing one in battle while only drawing the other for a few special moves. Two, Date's style of swordplay is much more stylized and flashy, consisting of spinning strikes, multiple drawing, etc. Kojuuro's style consists of a much more traditional style of swordplay as he utilizes simplistic yet devastating cuts, quick draws, etc...with the exception of his basara combo which is almost dance-like. Finally, Date has his six sword mode if I remember correctly, while Kojuuro has his Gokusatsu in which he goes berserk on his enemies.

See...There's just too much difference between them...Far too much for me to consider Date to be a replacement. The only similarity between their weapons is that they're swords, and the only similarity between their fighting styles is that they cut people.

I'm not sure why you're bringing up the fact that Kojuuro is a clone of Date in SB2. I'm not denying that at all...in fact I'm pretty sure I didn't refer to it.

As for Ryu and Ken...I wouldn't consider Date to be that close to Kojuuro. Maybe in SB2, but not in Heroes. I mention Haohmaru and Genjuro as an example mainly because they were taught by the same master, but in the end having very VERY different fighting styles, save for a few slightly similar moves.
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Well, it´s not that they are clones, but they share some things:

For example. Mitsunari, you can´t deny that he somewhat resembles Kenshin with his weapon. But even though he moves completely different, has a different element and outfit.

The quick purple slashes, the white hair/purple clothes, the follow Hideyoshi mentality and his darkness element...they seem to be taken from Hanbei.

So Mitsunari "resembles" Kenshin and Hanbei...but only cause he shares some things that remind you of them.

For Yoshitsugu, he kinda reminds me of Mitsuhide. It seems he has the darkness element, enjoys to see people suffering/dying and NDY said he has a pretty sick laugh. So even though they have different weapons and look different...that still reminds me of Mitsuhide.

So as for Kojuuro and Masamune.

They both share the lightning element. They both have a second S-String. They both have a "slashing"-BASARA (slashing means no big endings like Keiji´s whirling attack, Motonari´s sunshine attack at the end or no "special" BASARA´s like Shingen´s comet rain or Kenshin´s one shot freezing attack)
Also their skills often share the same purpose (launching them in the air + button press to launch a follow-up attack, landing multiple hits, dash forward, shoot lightning or activate their "second mode" while decreasing their defense)
So that´s why Kojuuro often reminds me of Masamune.

Though I still believe that there might be someone that could take over Kojuuro´s place even better.

Hakumei should know who I mean...there is a certain someone that still needs to challenge a certain someone who was said to have used a pretty long sword :ph43r:

BTW:

Does that mean Kanbei is on no side? :huh:

Is he a one man army that just destroys everything on his path?
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Sorry for not getting back to you about the Clash feature Koen. Heres a description of it, thanks to BK:
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And about the clash thing, apparently if both your and enemy attacks hit simultaneously 3 times, it will result in hi-speed clash like in the TGS trailer.
DK: I think Kanbei's a Eastern officer, but may have devised a plan like Motonari to try and take the lands by joining a side. And, similar to Motonari, whos representing to Mouri, Kanbeis probably gonna be doing the same, giving us our Kuroda love. Also, it seems he and Mitsunari aren't the best of friends judging by NDY's translation, Mitsunari "driving him to the south", so all the more reason for him to be a Eastern player.

Still, I'm looking foward to how his story will play out if truly is as cunning as Motonari. Plus, historically he tried to conquer Kyushu, so he might have a nice rival in Yoshihiro, thus give Muneshige a chance take on Hondam :hehe:

Hakumei: The Masamune and the Kojuurou thing isn't as obvious as say the Mitsunari and Kenshin one. But, IIRC, HNB did a nice comparison between them both a while back. At first, I never really caught onto the similarities, but after reading that post, it kind of struck me.
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