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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,226 Views)
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Firstly, thanks for the welcome Nine Demons Yoshitaka.

Devilsking,
That's some impressive math. Kobayashi is being so random it's somewhat difficult to speculate on the game's roster.
As much as it pains me I say BOTH Maedas are probable to get the NPC shaft (Toshiie at least).
Zabii and Itsuki may be downright excluded since Koba stated he wanted to make the game more "serious" (yet adds a highschool miko genki girl...fridge logic right there), same for Kennyo and Ujimasa who are probably irrelevant by now. Ujimasa's presence could be justified by Kotaro though.
Oichi as NPC is Koba crossing the line twice. She's the series' poster girl. Buuuuut she could be NPC to couple with a PC or perhaps new NPC Katsuie Shibata.
As for Hisahide, I'd love to see his playable debut too but he'd probably need some reworking, namely changing his walking animation and seriously nerfing his pyrotechnics.

Anyway, bearing in mind they are devoting themselves to making every character play as complete as possible, there's a strong chance the playable roster might be at around 20/25 with perhaps 10 NPCs, making it apparent there will be an Expansion - Sengoku Basara Samurai Heroes Heroes?
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ooooooo ohhohohohoh
koba has a way of making things difficult :(
i would like evryone to be in the gammeee
hehhehehehhehe

hopefully they will be downlods or summit
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Well, I have some reasons for my assumptions:

Maeda Toshiie/Matsu problem:

It was stated that Maeda Keiji is going to play the main role in the "Uesugi story". So the Maeda family, who took part in Sekigahara, with Toshiie being a longtime friend of Hideyoshi and somewhat had a rivalry with Ieyasu (history wise) + Matsu being the one who held together the Maeda house of the death of Toshiie and helped the Tokugawa later on still need someone to represent them in their story/view in the BASARA Sekigahara war.
That´s why my guess is that Matsu is playable, she´s not only a favourite female, we lack playable females, she allready has a special attribute (summoning/fighting with animals) has a good reason to be in Sekigahara or at least to be in SB3 representing the Maeda house and she´s one of the few wind element users. They wouldn´t have much problems making her playable given that she allready has a great moveset, design, personality, element and special attribute.

But anyways, I don´t see how, in a game about the Sengoku period, especially about Sekigahara, the Maeda family would be completely left out. I mean both of them being NPCs would be more than a joke. Who represents the Maeda then? Uesugi Keiji? :mellow:

Matsunaga Hisahide:

I had my doubts about him being in, seeing as some characters are killed off for the sake of "history´s serious business". Yet Mouri Motonari is still alive and now Tsuruhime was added.
He should´ve been playable in SB: Battle Heroes but they re-thought that, since he´s just too big to make his first playable appearance in a spin-off game. A lot of him want to lay hands on him and what would be better than to add him into the "first next generation BASARA"?

Fuma Kotaro:

Don´t have to say a lot about him. Now that Sasuke and Kasuga are "look but don´t touch Shinobis", we really lack in that department.

Zabii/Itsuki:

They don´t have any real historic restrictions with those two. Now that we have the young "I´ll hit you with a BANG!" school girl priestess, who even uses ice, Itsuki´s "young cute girl"-role is filled out. She can still be a NPC, but the chances of her being playable is a bit low right now.

As for Zabii, we really LACK representations in the Kyuushu area. I mean we have Yoshihiro, but I doubt that they´ll add someone from the Tachibana, Otomo, Ryūzōji, etc. to fill out all the gaps. Also with allmost all the "comic reliefs" gone, a little Zabii fills the world with love, wouldn´t be that bad. So they won´t cut him and his chances for him to be playable aren´t 0% either.

Oichi:

Oichi is TEH POSTERGIRL, next to Matsu. For Kobayashi to cut some of the fangirl favourites is one thing, since they still have many left, but for Mr. K to allready cut Noh and NPC Kasuga there aren´t many fan favourites left on the female side. She has a nice moveset, has allready a special ability (her "hands of hell") an interesting character...for her to be playable isn´t out of the picture...at least we can all agree that she´ll be a NPC.

Hojo Ujimasa:

Well, if I may, NDY ;)
By the way, on SB3's mobile site his (Kuroda Kanbei´s) profile says that he was responsible for capturing Odawara castle without actual fighting.

That does indicate that Ujimasa was probably tricked or something like that, but wasn´t killed. He is still around, probably.

"Kosa" Kennyo:

That one is a bit tricky. With Saika Magoichi and Tsuruhime (priestess) he´d have some small reasons to be in as a NPC, also warrior-monks were still around, so him representing them...why not?

Takeda Shingen:

I guess I don´t need an explanation

Miyamoto Musashi:

They could follow KOEI´s example and just cut Musashi and don´t bother adding Kojiro. But then they should´ve never added that "annoying brat" to begin with. I mean now would be his time to shine, now is the time to show the master swordsman´s growth. He MUST be playable or else I don´t understand why he was ever added.

Of course I can´t predict what´s going on in Kobayashi´s mind, but I know one thing for sure:

He wouldn´t mention it a 100 times if there weren´t really "lots of new characters". And seeing as he didn´t really bother working on some of the old ones, the time he took to develope the game...I could really see that many new characters.

Afterall we allready have 5 new characters, but 2 of them don´t really have that much to do with Sekigahara. As I´ve said:

Tokugawa retainer, most likely Hanzo Hattori
Mogami Yoshiaki
Sasaki Kojiro
1-2 more females
Important Sekigahara characters like Kobayakawa Hideaki
Famous officers like Ukita Hideie, Todo Takatora, Hosokawa Tadaoki, Shima Sakon, Fukushima Masanori, Kato Kiyomasa, etc.

There´s still a need for characters that have actuall connections or contribute to the Sekigahara setting and I hope Kobayashi doesn´t want to fill those "needs" with NPCs <_<
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For the Kasuga and Sasuke replacements. Its quite obvious that Hanzo will replace Sasuke (or at least us fans want him to :P ). However I believe Kasuga will have her own replacement. As Kasuga is a the most popular female character in BASARA.(yes I'm looking at you fanboys :shifty: ) I have almost no doubt her replacement will be.......

Chiyome Mochizuki

As Kasuga not only needs a "replacement" she also needs a rival. Or perhaps Chiyome would be Hanzo or Kotaro or maybe even Sasuke's new rival. However as Kasuga serves the Uesugi and Chiyome serves the Takeda I see the Chiyome/Kasuga rivalry more likely.

And yes, before anyone rants on saying "only one representative per faction" thing I am aware of it. Her story could most likely represent either the Koga or Mochizuki clans. Instead of going by history they would twist it a little(coughalotcough). Since this is BASARA if they do add her it would probably be the Koga and/or Mochizuki clans forming an ALLIANCE with the Takeda. Not only would that still be keen with her historically serving the Takeda (this way by alliance) and be able to keep a rivalry with Kasuga but it would also go by the "one person per faction" idea.

Plus we get a kunoichi replacement also :D

So what do you say?

Chiyome Mochizuki. Yay or nay?

(I vote yay :hehe: )
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Although i would absolutely love chiyome to be in i'm not sure because if it is the one character per clan she won't be in, but it would be good too see her with an army of kunoichi, it would be a dream come true, but i doubt it.....
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For the Kasuga and Sasuke replacements. Its quite obvious that Hanzo will replace Sasuke (or at least us fans want him to :P ). However I believe Kasuga will have her own replacement. As Kasuga is a the most popular female character in BASARA.(yes I'm looking at you fanboys :shifty: ) I have almost no doubt her replacement will be.......

Chiyome Mochizuki

As Kasuga not only needs a "replacement" she also needs a rival. Or perhaps Chiyome would be Hanzo or Kotaro or maybe even Sasuke's new rival. However as Kasuga serves the Uesugi and Chiyome serves the Takeda I see the Chiyome/Kasuga rivalry more likely.

And yes, before anyone rants on saying "only one representative per faction" thing I am aware of it. Her story could most likely represent either the Koga or Mochizuki clans. Instead of going by history they would twist it a little(coughalotcough). Since this is BASARA if they do add her it would probably be the Koga and/or Mochizuki clans forming an ALLIANCE with the Takeda. Not only would that still be keen with her historically serving the Takeda (this way by alliance) and be able to keep a rivalry with Kasuga but it would also go by the "one person per faction" idea.

Plus we get a kunoichi replacement also :D

So what do you say?

Chiyome Mochizuki. Yay or nay?

(I vote yay :hehe: )
If shes in, cool, if not, i wont be phased the slightest. :mellow:
I never really gave her much thought. But she just disapears after Kawanakajima #4 so that could either help her inclusion or destroy it. She is a funny character to work with. There are hardly any known facts about her, but she did leave the Takeda soon in history. She obviously did not quite make it to Sekigahara because she would be way to old, but obviously that doesn't matter.

See what I mean? A funny character to work with. :P

But there is muei story potential for this gal. She could hate the Usesugi and Takeda for the death of her Husband, She could be an avenger. Similar to Mitsunari but less extreme,s he could see eye to eye with Mitsunari and convince him to betray the Takeda and Uesugi. She could go on a revenge Killing spree after the T and U for her entire story. She could end up forgiving them. lots of potential there.

So, if we get a badass Kunoichi with a good move set, and no orgasms, then i say yay. :lol:
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Hey Balder! Great to see another Yoshitsugu fan.

Well, I basically agree with everything on DK's list, which is a shame, seeing Toshiie's chances of becoming a NPC. Still, you can't have everything, and with Yoshi in, I have no right to complain. Anyway, all the long maths posts have boggled my mind a bit, but I do agree we'll see a roster size similar to that, and I doubt we'll get 19 NPCs... thats just crazy, and not in the good BASARA way!

The people who are worrying over the amount of PCs we'll get due to site layout, shouldn't. They've already changed it once, so whos to say it won't happen again. Also, only 20 PCs will result in almost half the roster being NPCs... -_-

LadyGetsuei - I agree that Chiyome would be a decent choice which I'd support, but the Uesugi is already lower on unique warriors and Kasuga already has a nice rivalry with Sasuke. Although, if you count Keiji and Kanetsugu as Uesugi players, I suppose that evens out the teams. Still, I believe she'd interfere with the Sasuke and Kasuga rivalry Capcom has got going on... I dunno, I think it'd kind of awkward. But, with your alliance idea, she has the possibility of getting a cool fictional relationship with someone else. I'm all for her!
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As Kasuga is a the most popular female character in BASARA.(yes I'm looking at you fanboys :shifty: )

Meh.

She's one of my least favorite characters of the series. (Second only to Itsuki). Matsu is my favorite female for reasons I don't think I have to explain. I could see why people would like her though.

As for Chiyome Mochizuki, I'd prefer if she was left out. We already have enough people from the past as it is. I'd say focus on those that were still alive or at least died a little before Sekigahara.
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LadyGetsuei,
This one had me do some research, but it's all good, or else I wouldn't know about this remarkable woman.
As Xanxus proposes, a badass Kunoichi and Fa Zheng also made a great suggestion regarding an army of Kunoichi (heck! a whole stage of lady enemies...kunoichi, miko, oiran, etc.) and I think it would be cool to see her armed with some very unstealthy neko-te.
I say "yay".


Devilsking,
Very good points regarding Ujimasa and Kennyo. I see there's still reason for them to be around, likely as NPCs.
As for the Maeda, they're favorites of mine so I'd really like them both to appear as playable, especially now that there's no clone issues between Toshiie and Ieyasu. At least I hope you are right regarding Matsu.
Oichi's the one I have the most doubts about. On one side, she's the series' darling but on the other, the lack of all characters related to her strip her of purpose. I'd love that she made it, being my favorite lady and 2nd favorite character overall and all that.


Manta Punk,
Yoshitsugu's vid sure is taking it's sweet time, uh? :/
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I can't quote all of the posts that have built up from Devilking's speculation. It's too much. Now, I love speculation as much as the next guy, but I gotta pull the emergency breaks here.

I find it INSANE how several of you people can speculate the total roster, the number that are new, and the number that are playable. How can we predict that the numbers of new-old and PC-NPC are anyway proportional? How does a character's chances improve or decrease due to historical accuracy, or role, or personality compared to that of others? Where is the evidence? The math is impressive, but it all circles around a series of concepts that are pretty much pulled out the ass.

There has only been one consistent and official pattern: Koba is purposefully setting the roster so that each clan has only one PC as a representative. And even this isn't exception-free: the Tokugawa and Toyotomi are exempt due to being the central clans of this game. There is no other pattern that's been official announced or overall consistent. And yet everyone's trying to find other patterns. To even ATTEMPT to decipher a pattern that doesn't exist is a common logical fallacy.

I am not attacking Devilking or anyone else here, and I personally love to speculate. I just don't want doomed hopes to be created by unreliable info from nonexistant patterns. :(
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There has only been one consistent and official pattern: Koba is purposefully setting the roster so that each clan has only one PC as a representative. And even this isn't exception-free: the Tokugawa and Toyotomi are exempt due to being the central clans of this game. There is no other pattern that's been official announced or overall consistent. And yet everyone's trying to find other patterns. To even ATTEMPT to decipher a pattern that doesn't exist is a common logical fallacy.
My "By Regions" theory is based on this. The new characters support it as well as none of them(as presented) share a clan/region with anyone else.
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Fuma Kotaro:

Don´t have to say a lot about him. Now that Sasuke and Kasuga are "look but don´t touch Shinobis", we really lack in that department.



I can see Kotaro hovering around because again, his family turned into a bunch of mercenaries and thieves, following the Hojo clan's demise.

So, either an independent group flowing with the wind (and trying to prevent their canonical demise at the Tokugawa, soon after 1600), or maybe he threw his lot in with Hisahide. That's what I could see for this guy.

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Hojo Ujimasa:

Well, if I may, NDY ;)
By the way, on SB3's mobile site his (Kuroda Kanbei´s) profile says that he was responsible for capturing Odawara castle without actual fighting.

That does indicate that Ujimasa was probably tricked or something like that, but wasn´t killed. He is still around, probably.


Not likely, if they wanted to go about pseudo-historically.

The Hojo were ERADICATED by the Toyotomi after the siege of 1590. The defeat being shameful enough that Ujimasa and his brother committed sempukuu, and the last survivor of the Late Hojo being exiled, and dying a year later.

Unless they just wanted to BS this, the Hojo have no business being here in this game. And it would do a lot to betray ALL SENSE OF LOGIC of why the likes of the Toyotomi and etc. are gone.
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Not likely, if they wanted to go about pseudo-historically.

The Hojo were ERADICATED by the Toyotomi after the siege of 1590. The defeat being shameful enough that Ujimasa and his brother committed sempukuu, and the last survivor of the Late Hojo being exiled, and dying a year later.

Unless they just wanted to BS this, the Hojo have no business being here in this game. And it would do a lot to betray ALL SENSE OF LOGIC of why the likes of the Toyotomi and etc. are gone.
The Hojo were not eradicated at all. Only three members of the clan died directly as a result of the Odawara campaign, with Ujimasa's two sons Ujinao and Ujifusa dying the next year and the year after that respectively.

Ujimasa was ordered to commit seppuku by Hideyoshi because of his defiance. Ujiteru was ordered to join him as Hideyoshi was said to have feared Ujiteru's abilities(this goes in hand with Ujiyasu considering Ujiteru the superior son in most respects.)

Ujimitsu, Ujimasa's younger brother, was killed during the Toyotomi's initial assault on Kanto.

Ujitada, another brother, died of natural causes three years after the siege. His wife and daughter went to the Mouri clan.

Ujimasa's two remaining brothers Ujikuni and Ujinori survived, with Ujikuni serving the Tokugawa afterward, as did the grandson of Hojo Tsunashige, Ujikatsu, who fought in the Sekigahara conflict under Tokugawa Hidetada. Ujinori served the Toyotomi, and died a few months before Sekigahara started.

The sons of Ujinao, Ujikuni and Ujinori continued on to serve the Tokugawa as well.
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if they have SB4(which they most likley will) can it be before sekigahara because goemon and other cool characters lived before sekigahara

i really wanted to see a sengoku basara clown goemon
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I don't understand why you guys count the npcs as part of the roster but ok. 20 PCs are pathetic tbh. I wonder how many hours this game will last me. If they charge 60bucks for this, that is just bs.

@DevilKing

I don't understand how Hanzo can replace two characters. Surely we need 2 to replace 2.

From the looks of it, Basara 3 may either be a huge flop or a huge success.
Because they are. Regardless of wether they are playable or not, they are still part of the game. Lots of characters don't make a game. Quality > Quanity.
lol quality over quantity. Let's not lie to ourselves here. They could have added in all the cut characters in the game if they wanted to. They just didn't. It's not like SB characters have the moveset variety of a tekken character.

Be glad Koei doesn't follow this crap practice. At the very least they won't make Lu Bu into a npc in DW7 lol.

LadyGetsuei
 
For the Kasuga and Sasuke replacements. Its quite obvious that Hanzo will replace Sasuke (or at least us fans want him to :P ). However I believe Kasuga will have her own replacement. As Kasuga is a the most popular female character in BASARA.(yes I'm looking at you fanboys :shifty: ) I have almost no doubt her replacement will be.......

Chiyome Mochizuki

As Kasuga not only needs a "replacement" she also needs a rival. Or perhaps Chiyome would be Hanzo or Kotaro or maybe even Sasuke's new rival. However as Kasuga serves the Uesugi and Chiyome serves the Takeda I see the Chiyome/Kasuga rivalry more likely.

And yes, before anyone rants on saying "only one representative per faction" thing I am aware of it. Her story could most likely represent either the Koga or Mochizuki clans. Instead of going by history they would twist it a little(coughalotcough). Since this is BASARA if they do add her it would probably be the Koga and/or Mochizuki clans forming an ALLIANCE with the Takeda. Not only would that still be keen with her historically serving the Takeda (this way by alliance) and be able to keep a rivalry with Kasuga but it would also go by the "one person per faction" idea.

Plus we get a kunoichi replacement also :D

So what do you say?

Chiyome Mochizuki. Yay or nay?

(I vote yay :hehe: )
oops... pressed report by mistake. Anyway... you need another fictional character to replace another fictional character lol. If it came down to it... it would probably be another kunoichi except she would have the dark element... or maybe ice as a tribute to kenshin... i dunno. I'm just babbling.

Actually that idea is good. Kasuga helps Kenshin but Chiyome helps Shingen. It's brilliant.
Edited by eklineage, Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:15 am.
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Koei doesn't follow this crap practice, you say....? What about characters that just disappeared, like Kennyo, Kojiro, Gracia etc....?

Capcom has copied many things from Musou when it created Basara. We gotta admit it. Unfortunately, it seems to have copied Koei's "Moushouden / Empires" marketing style too...


I at least think the same way as you, eklineage...but Basara is not a high-budget game (it has crappy sales; the fujoshi gave it fame but those rotten girls don't buy the game...just its merchandise) so even though you can say they could have put in more effort...maybe if they planned to keep all old characters in SB3 too we wouldn't have had many new ones.

Of course, only God and Koba know the truth behind this...
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eklineage
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eklineage
Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:12 pm
I don't understand why you guys count the npcs as part of the roster but ok. 20 PCs are pathetic tbh. I wonder how many hours this game will last me. If they charge 60bucks for this, that is just bs.

@DevilKing

I don't understand how Hanzo can replace two characters. Surely we need 2 to replace 2.

From the looks of it, Basara 3 may either be a huge flop or a huge success.
Because they are. Regardless of wether they are playable or not, they are still part of the game. Lots of characters don't make a game. Quality > Quanity.
lol quality over quantity. Let's not lie to ourselves here. They could have added in all the cut characters in the game if they wanted to. They just didn't. It's not like SB characters have the moveset variety of a tekken character.

Be glad Koei doesn't follow this crap practice. At the very least they won't make Lu Bu into a npc in DW7 lol.

That's not what I was trying to say. I'm saying they couldn't have added all of the characters. It's just a scheme for more money later. I'm saying quality > quantity. I'd rather have some great gameplay and about 25 characters (Some I don't even play as unless it's necessary.) than a low quality gameplay and over 50 characters. I'd like to have both, but obviously Capcom have no intention of doing their best (For obvious reasons), I'll have to settle for this.
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I´m with you there MM.

I just did the math theorys to show that 20 characters would be bit low, considering all the remaining "old" characters plus the missing important new characters.

As long as it´s around 24+ playable characters it´d be ok. And yes 4 more characters can make a huge difference in terms of possible character additions and the replay value of the game.

BTW NDY, did BASARA really have that crappy sale numbers? :o

I mean as far as I heard BASARA 2 did not that bad... :ph43r:
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^almost all SB games got not so huge sales,especially the spinoffs i guess(sans SB2H),but i think that's just because its outshined by other games that is swimming on the same genre(SBBH by the VS. series,and SBX by the 2d fighter re-booming like TvC,BB,and SFIV itself),that and the actual fanbase is large,but not large enough for it to break out if its cult status.....

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lol quality over quantity. Let's not lie to ourselves here. They could have added in all the cut characters in the game if they wanted to. They just didn't. It's not like SB characters have the moveset variety of a tekken character.

Be glad Koei doesn't follow this crap practice. At the very least they won't make Lu Bu into a npc in DW7 lol.
of course,i got to comment on this one

about moveset variety:at least it has more variety to offer than the current DW game IMO,i can't comment on SW3 yet since i haven't played it but i think its nothing phenomenon

about lu bu&the NPC sarcasm:capcom didnt make hondam an NPC(i believe all would agree that he's the qeuivalent to KOEI's lu bu n this game) but KOEI DID make lu bu as an NPC in SW1,so the lu bu joke is on you

obviously you also refuse to remember that KOEI also adapts the unique NPC thing in SW1,where ieyasu,hideyoshi,nagamasa,kennyo are ALL NPC's,same with SW2&3,with their kojiro&katsuie+aya&masanori

and no,having their skin as CAW does not count as playable..........if that's the case then DW6 empires would count to have a roster that rivals WO2 with their unique skins/costumes

so yeah,try to ponder a bit before making a statement

and yes,quality>quantity,i didnt even enjoy playing as almost 80% of the WO2 whopping near 100 playable cast but i do love playing as every,single,SB character,even yoshimoto.
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Balder - Tell me about it. We've been waiting since October...

Watchtower - Don't think we're spouting random crap :hehe:
We have a few clues on what we can assume the roster will be like, such as no two characters will share the same sur-name, we have around 1/3 of the total roster, they'll be many new characters and possibly Seraphil's region theory. Thats what we're basing our ideas on.

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lol quality over quantity. Let's not lie to ourselves here. They could have added in all the cut characters in the game if they wanted to. They just didn't. It's not like SB characters have the moveset variety of a tekken character.

Be glad Koei doesn't follow this crap practice. At the very least they won't make Lu Bu into a npc in DW7 lol.

C'mon dude, do really expect a Japanese only release to have a higher budget that a world wide famous game like Tekken? Also, having a 150+ moves would just play awkward in a Hack n slash, unless you wanted a game similar to T6's Sceneario Campaign?
Anyway, thats beside the point. For some reason you believe Koei doesn't cut characters... Well, personally, I believe Capcom put more time into thier characters than Koei do, especially with what we've seen with SB3.

Do Koei characters have true alternate costumes? Not any more.
Will each Koei character be treated as the main character of the game? No.
Do Koei's characters have a variety of unique weapons? Not as much as Basaras.
Do any of Koei's characters have "unique characteristics"? Nope.

Apart from the NPCs, you can see how Capcom have put a lot of efort into thier characters, so its understandable to have some sitting on the side lines. And heck, we don't even know how many NPCs they'll be yet! I could understand your rage if your favourite has been cut, but you need to suck it up. I mean, Kanetsugu may keep this joke unique generic thing through out the entire series, and while it bothers me, I'm no doubt buying the game. Sometimes, characters don't make the game, game-play does, and I believe thats what Capcom is trying to achieve. So yes, it is quality over quantity.

You see, I believe when the veterans come back, they'll be treated as the current PCs are now, getting branching story paths, unique characteristics and new skills. Would you rather have this or just keep BASARA the same as its predecessors, having a decent size roster, but no change at all?

Remember, usually Time=money, and having to treat every character the same as they're treating the ones in SB3 would take up a lot of time. And as a game thats having its first try on a current gen console and its second try being released over seas, I believe Koba and crew wouldn't want to waste that much money, especially if it doesn't do as well as they hoped. Also, with all these cuts, you seem to forget we are getting new characters to make up for it.

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I expected Basara fans to be above using generalized fallacies to put down Koei's series and elevate Capcom's.

Good job, really.
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Fuma Kotaro:

Don´t have to say a lot about him. Now that Sasuke and Kasuga are "look but don´t touch Shinobis", we really lack in that department.



I can see Kotaro hovering around because again, his family turned into a bunch of mercenaries and thieves, following the Hojo clan's demise.

So, either an independent group flowing with the wind (and trying to prevent their canonical demise at the Tokugawa, soon after 1600), or maybe he threw his lot in with Hisahide. That's what I could see for this guy.

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Well, if I may, NDY ;)
By the way, on SB3's mobile site his (Kuroda Kanbei´s) profile says that he was responsible for capturing Odawara castle without actual fighting.

That does indicate that Ujimasa was probably tricked or something like that, but wasn´t killed. He is still around, probably.


Not likely, if they wanted to go about pseudo-historically.

The Hojo were ERADICATED by the Toyotomi after the siege of 1590. The defeat being shameful enough that Ujimasa and his brother committed sempukuu, and the last survivor of the Late Hojo being exiled, and dying a year later.

Unless they just wanted to BS this, the Hojo have no business being here in this game. And it would do a lot to betray ALL SENSE OF LOGIC of why the likes of the Toyotomi and etc. are gone.
When I first learned of the fate of both Kenshin and Shingen I gave Ujimasa next to no chance of making the cut, however since then it's become pretty apparent that the Siege of Odawara is a significant event in Basara-verse: it's where Masamune lost to Mitsunari and Kanbei stole the show. So I wouldn't dismiss the notion of old man Hojo still being alive and kicking. At least I give him the same chance of appearing as say Zabii or Itsuki...
Edited by DarkDante, Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:48 pm.
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^almost all SB games got not so huge sales,especially the spinoffs i guess(sans SB2H),but i think that's just because its outshined by other games that is swimming on the same genre(SBBH by the VS. series,and SBX by the 2d fighter re-booming like TvC,BB,and SFIV itself),that and the actual fanbase is large,but not large enough for it to break out if its cult status.....

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lol quality over quantity. Let's not lie to ourselves here. They could have added in all the cut characters in the game if they wanted to. They just didn't. It's not like SB characters have the moveset variety of a tekken character.

Be glad Koei doesn't follow this crap practice. At the very least they won't make Lu Bu into a npc in DW7 lol.
of course,i got to comment on this one

about moveset variety:at least it has more variety to offer than the current DW game IMO,i can't comment on SW3 yet since i haven't played it but i think its nothing phenomenon

about lu bu&the NPC sarcasm:capcom didnt make hondam an NPC(i believe all would agree that he's the qeuivalent to KOEI's lu bu n this game) but KOEI DID make lu bu as an NPC in SW1,so the lu bu joke is on you

obviously you also refuse to remember that KOEI also adapts the unique NPC thing in SW1,where ieyasu,hideyoshi,nagamasa,kennyo are ALL NPC's,same with SW2&3,with their kojiro&katsuie+aya&masanori

and no,having their skin as CAW does not count as playable..........if that's the case then DW6 empires would count to have a roster that rivals WO2 with their unique skins/costumes

so yeah,try to ponder a bit before making a statement

and yes,quality>quantity,i didnt even enjoy playing as almost 80% of the WO2 whopping near 100 playable cast but i do love playing as every,single,SB character,even yoshimoto.
I think you missed the main point of why I brought up Lu Bu. SW1 and Lu bu... think about it for a second please.

Anyway, bottom line is Capcom better not charge 60 bucks for this... unless it has the content to make up for it.

I would assume this game will contain some sort of summary of what happened so far.. otherwise people trying out the series for the first time won't know wtf is going on.
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@ DK:

According to Famitsu, the Basara series (counting X and BH) sold in total 960.000 copies. (Capcom reports 1.400.000 copies though)

The title that sold the most was (obviously) SB2, with 280.000 copies.


That's not really much...isn't it? I know this a trite comparison, and I will try not to bring it into this thread anymore, but SW2 sold 570.000.


Now that Basara is probably at the peak of its fame (thanks to the anime more than anything else, imho) things could go better, but the problem is that apparently SB merchandise sells more than the game itself.

Even at the TGS the SB goods in the Capcom booth kept flying off the shelves, but there still are lots of "fans" that know SB through the anime and vids on YT/NicoNico, but don't have the game for themselves.

Basara now seems more popular than its main contender, but that doesn't reflect much on its sales, unfortunately...
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Manta Punk- So instead of disagreeing with the post, you put down Koei's series and praise Capcom's?

I mean, Capcom and Koei makes great games, no need to bash one for the sake of the other.
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