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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,224 Views)
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Oh-utsch. Kojirou AND Hanbei being non-playable DOES seriously dent my will to play this game, but as always I will try to be patient until all information is known.
*sighs*

Guess that was a rumor then. I would have known a good idea as to why Ranmaru was no longer playable if that anime-based rumor had been true...
But I completely forgot about Ieyasu having been pimped and gotten playable.

Well, I can only hope for the story to make things intersting enough to buy SB 3 then. If not, I'll stick to my Devil Kings version...

Are Motochika and ... *forgot the green dudes name* in then? (Or do we have a list somewhere of which characters are confirmed to be IN the game and which one of them are supposed to be playable?
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Both Motonari and Kennyo are green, though. Motonari's in. Kennyo might be in too considering Maggie.

Aniki's in too.
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Are Motochika and ... *forgot the green dudes name* in then? (Or do we have a list somewhere of which characters are confirmed to be IN the game and which one of them are supposed to be playable?
Yes, Motochika is back, same goes for the green dude Mori Motonari.

As for a list, I have all the characters in my sig :lol:

Also there´s an information thread in the SB3 section, which is updated by BK, with all the infos we have about SB3.
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Watchtower,
On a more serious perspective these sales figures did give me something of a bad though, which was Capcom canning the series' for good if this game flops. They won't keep it if it's not profitable, just recall their "nullment" of the exclusivity deal of Gamecube titles (namely because of RE4) and the shutting down of Clover Studios.
And we can't really blame them, can we? They're not in the business out of charity.
But I plan on giving them my support, heck! I'm buying a current gen console pretty much for Capcom titles.


Nine Demons Yoshitaka,
I really hope you're right regarding Cha-Cha. However, I wonder how she'd fit in the story? Remember that Basara's Hideyoshi is all "bros b4 hos", so she wouldn't be connected to him.
At any rate, would be fun if she were a direly unlucky yandere like her mother (cue romantic interest for Kanbei).
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@ Balder:

For power, what else? Hideyoshi is too smart to ignore that he can't live forever. He might have taken a random bride in order to have a strong son to succeed him. Or maybe Cha-Cha is a woman that struck him for her strength.

Just like Raoh and Souther, his major inspirations, he keeps a strong facade but hasn't really forgot ALL emotion...that's what I think, at least.


But my strongest hint is that in one of the very first interviews that Koba released, he said even if many characters would be cut from the game the new characters would mention them in their dialogues. He also specifically made Nagamasa's name in this instance.

And who could be more fitting than her? She could talk about Nobunaga, Oichi, Nagamasa, Hideyoshi, and maybe even Nouhime and Ranmaru!

Her moveset could be a mixture of Oda-style darkness, Azai heroic light and Toyotomi raw power. Two darkness elements and two light ones...coincidence, yeah, but...men can hope, can't they!

She could be problematic to handle, especially in future games, but I'm sure Capcom can do it somehow. Plus it might be difficult to imagine Hideyoshi having a wife, but I'm sure it's easier to picture Nagamasa and Oichi having a child...

Hell, even Nobunaga and Nouhime had one...
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Interesting point of view, further strenghtened by Koba's previous claims of Nagamasa not being forgotten, sly responses in regard of Oichi's status and the possibility of recycling attack animations under the pretense of character background.

As I said before, she's one I'd like to see the most in the series and so far the game is lacking on the "traditional ladies".
From my "wishlist", she's the most plausible. That said - go ahead Koba, disappoint me! :meantongue:

On a side note, I recall reading before that in the games there's some hint of Hideyoshi having a bit of a soft spot for Oichi. I honestly don't know if that's true or not (doubt it, really).
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Has the possibility of concubines been brought as potential new characters? I have next to no knowledge whatsoever on the Sengoku Era but even so, would that still count as having the same last name as previous characters? Then again, perhaps those concubines are more fringe characters than anything so maybe that's 'con' towards any additions of them.

Just an odd example but imagine Kaihime (since that's the only person I know off the top of my head who was one being that she was in SM3) with a moveset reminiscent of Hideyoshi. Yes, yes, Ieyasu's already using his fighting style I realize but like I said, I don't know anyone else :P.

But to be honest, Blader and NDY's posts right above mine seem more likely than what I put.
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Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:27 pm
Watchtower,
On a more serious perspective these sales figures did give me something of a bad though, which was Capcom canning the series' for good if this game flops. They won't keep it if it's not profitable, just recall their "nullment" of the exclusivity deal of Gamecube titles (namely because of RE4) and the shutting down of Clover Studios.
And we can't really blame them, can we? They're not in the business out of charity.
But I plan on giving them my support, heck! I'm buying a current gen console pretty much for Capcom titles.


Nine Demons Yoshitaka,
I really hope you're right regarding Cha-Cha. However, I wonder how she'd fit in the story? Remember that Basara's Hideyoshi is all "bros b4 hos", so she wouldn't be connected to him.
At any rate, would be fun if she were a direly unlucky yandere like her mother (cue romantic interest for Kanbei).
I REALLY don't think the franchise is gonna get pulled off the shelves. As stated before, although the sales are bad, Basara's got a pretty big fanbase. I can already tell that the majority of sales, worldwide, is gonna be from Asia, especially Japan: Japan holds Basara's main pre-existing fanbase and they seem to devour Sengoku-based games really well. The worst thing that happens is that it doesn't do a good job in US/Europe/Australia and to turns back into a Japan-exclusive.
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Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:42 pm
@ Balder:

For power, what else? Hideyoshi is too smart to ignore that he can't live forever. He might have taken a random bride in order to have a strong son to succeed him. Or maybe Cha-Cha is a woman that struck him for her strength.

Just like Raoh and Souther, his major inspirations, he keeps a strong facade but hasn't really forgot ALL emotion...that's what I think, at least.


But my strongest hint is that in one of the very first interviews that Koba released, he said even if many characters would be cut from the game the new characters would mention them in their dialogues. He also specifically made Nagamasa's name in this instance.

And who could be more fitting than her? She could talk about Nobunaga, Oichi, Nagamasa, Hideyoshi, and maybe even Nouhime and Ranmaru!

Her moveset could be a mixture of Oda-style darkness, Azai heroic light and Toyotomi raw power. Two darkness elements and two light ones...coincidence, yeah, but...men can hope, can't they!

She could be problematic to handle, especially in future games, but I'm sure Capcom can do it somehow. Plus it might be difficult to imagine Hideyoshi having a wife, but I'm sure it's easier to picture Nagamasa and Oichi having a child...
THANK YOU.

Again, I always thought Hideyoshi was the kinda guy who couldn't throw away all emotions, even if he tried. I mean, if he truly abandoned all emotions, chances are, him encountering KG again in many of the storylines, or Hanbei, his confidant and best friend, dying in any possible storyline, would NOT set him off as much as it does.

If that much is certain, then maybe he would open his heart at least bit for the right woman that would yield his favorite son that he would later dote on and such.

So yeah, Cha Cha for the win. Even better if they basically turn her into a Bubblegum Crisis type of heroine (who maybe able to summon her younger sisters as part of her moves/back-up). :hehe:


Now about your other post from a few days ago...

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That's not really much...isn't it? I know this a trite comparison, and I will try not to bring it into this thread anymore, but SW2 sold 570.000.

Now that Basara is probably at the peak of its fame (thanks to the anime more than anything else, imho) things could go better, but the problem is that apparently SB merchandise sells more than the game itself.

Even at the TGS the SB goods in the Capcom booth kept flying off the shelves, but there still are lots of "fans" that know SB through the anime and vids on YT/NicoNico, but don't have the game for themselves.

Basara now seems more popular than its main contender, but that doesn't reflect much on its sales, unfortunately...


Now, honestly?

It's only really a problem, if CAPCOM sees it as such.

The main advantage that BASARA has over its competitor, is that it's been campaigning hard across several types of media at once. Card games. Manga. Dolls. Action-figures/statuettes. Hit anime series. Art books. Mooks. Food products (Friggin' PIZZA HUT had a BASARA tie in over in Japan). And of course, the games and spin-offs.

When you got such a nice advantage like that, it's alright for the games to not be exactly platinum sellers and etc. Because the other products will likely make more than enough profits to cover for whatever the games themselves may not deliver on. It's how PS2-gen BASARA was able to be basically a "budget release" that sold hundreds of thousands on a good day, and be considered a "success" in Capcom's eyes.


What obviously Koba and Capcom hope for SB3 though, is that it only does more to expand on the possible territory for the games themselves. By adding in more and new characters, there's a chance to likely attract more and new fans. And again, since most Americans won't know what they're missing in the way of previous characters, they just hopefully will come on board for the sake of a fun game.

So, for right now, I don't think Capcom has any real reason to be worried just yet. This next-gen jump is a nice-sized risk, but then again, we have another anime season that will likely generate more profits as other merchandising opportunities present itself.



Tl;dr: The games themselves are just one component of the "BASARA Blitzkrieg", as I called it last year. Don't be so worried that they're no platinum sellers, when Capcom makes money all the same thanks to the franchise being quite healthy in other venues. :hehe:

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I'm dying for some more character reveals. Actually besides that I wanna know where Koba is gonna go with in terms of multiplayer... like a pvp option.

Anyway... i hope Koba adds in a character with a unique character stance like Kasuga's ;)
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Anyway... i hope Koba adds in a character with a unique character stance like Kasuga's ;)


What do you mean? A fictional character?
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Anyway... i hope Koba adds in a character with a unique character stance like Kasuga's ;)


What do you mean? A fictional character?
How they stand. Iirc she stands on one leg.
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im really hoping they add a character with cards or charms as a weapon thats one of my fav weapons
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Watchtower and HokutoNoBen,
I know the fanbase is big but those sales numbers kinda freaked me out a bit. Regardless, it's good to know that at least the assorted Basara paraphernelia is popular enough to keep things going.


As for our ol' pal Hideyoshi, even if he's a well-intentioned extremist drunk on power he's not a complete monster either (tvtropes woo!), which shows on his "don't oppose me, join me" philosophy, though not on my "being within my eyesight was the last mistake you made" play style...
Somewhat amusing that the possibility of him keeping a concubine seems inplausable, when the real Hideyoshi probably had 'em stashed all over the place (the ladies pardon the objectification on this last expression).
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Has the possibility of concubines been brought as potential new characters? I have next to no knowledge whatsoever on the Sengoku Era but even so, would that still count as having the same last name as previous characters?
As you can see from Matsu, Oichi and Nouhime, usually the husband's surname is not given to the wife too (their social status was different, after all)

Women like Tachibana Ginchiyo and Ii Naotora have surnames because they were heads of their respective clans AFAIK. Someone correct me if I'm spouting crap.

When you talk about Sekigahara there are some pretty prominent female figures, possibly more than the rest of the Sengoku era altogether.

At the very least it would be kinda weird not to include Hosokawa Gracia / Tamahime and Chacha/Yododono...following Seraphil's regions theory, the first could occupy Tanba with her husband, and Yodo would go to the now empty Osaka...(Hideyoshi and Kennyo are no more, so...)


@ Ben

Your analysis is pretty solid...I guess as long as the fangirls enjoy the Basara characters the series won't end....
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Your analysis is pretty solid...I guess as long as the fangirls enjoy the Basara characters the series won't end....


Am I the only one who thinks that's rather sad? It bums me out that a game series as entertaining as BASARA would have merchandise and the like be it's main source of income and exposure. It just feels wrong.
Edited by Ouelis, Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:00 pm.
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I can't find anything about Ii Naotora on the internet. Would somebody be kind and inform me who she was and what did she do?
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I'm sure Seraphil or others know more, but this is a summary of what the Japanese Wiki says:

Ii Naotora was the leader of the Ii clan of Totomi. She was Ii Naochika's fiance, but then never married. Ii Naomasa is her adopted child (they are distantly related by blood).


Since her father Naomori didn't have male heirs, he had planned to adopt his cousin Naochika as heir.

But in 1544, Naochika's father was falsely accused to be plotting betrayal of his master (Imagawa Yoshimoto); He was put to death, and Naochika fled to Shinano.

In 1555 he finally returned, but he already taken another woman as wife, so his relationship with Naotora was no more.

In 1560, Naomori died at Okehazama. Naochika succeeded him, but he was falsely accused of betrayal (by the son of the man who accused his father! Talk about long-standing hate) and put to death by Imagawa Ujizane.

Naotora became leader of the clan in 1565, after the Ii pledged their allegiance to the Imagawa.

In 1568, their Iidani castle was taken control by the Ono, but the Ii managed to recover it by becoming Tokugawa vassals.

In 1572, she and her clan thought against Yamagata Masakage (Takeda vassal)'s troops, and fled to Hamatsu castle after losing.

She raised Naomasa, orphan of Naochika, and sent him to serve the Tokugawa. After she died he became the Ii clan's head.


I don't really know much about her either, but I guess managing to keep the Ii clan alive and relatively strong in those times must have been quite a feat. Props.
Edited by Nine Demons Yoshitaka, Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:57 pm.
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Hmmmm. Interesting, I must say. I think if Capcom wants to put other lesser known ladies in SB3 (TBH, I don't really know or care about Tsuruhime until Capcom reveals her), Naotora might be filling the spot.
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I personally think Naotora's chances are 0. Naomasa just has way more demand and being recognizable. There would be an outcry if she got in over him.
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Ouelis,
Indeed it's a considerable display of disconsideration towards the game designers and programmers' work. Good thing they're not ones to be affected by such matters, or else the game would be a half-baked glitchfest.


http://japan.gamespot.com/ps3/news/story/0,3800075348,20406856,00.htm some screens of Kanbei and Tsuruhime (I assume the same that were shown on Famitsu)


On a off-topic note, Capcom fans take note of the 26th this month - there's going to be a Capcom/Microsoft announcement (most likely a 360 exclusive) and on the Super Street Fighter IV blog a big announcement was promised as well.
Let's see if there's something for the Basara crowd too.
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Thanks for the link, buddy.

And uh, I actually thinking Oda Gotoku and/or Chacha should be added.
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Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:26 pm
On a off-topic note, Capcom fans take note of the 26th this month - there's going to be a Capcom/Microsoft announcement (most likely a 360 exclusive) and on the Super Street Fighter IV blog a big announcement was promised as well.
Let's see if there's something for the Basara crowd too.
Nah, I doubt the Capcom-Microsoft event has anything to do with SB. From the beginning they don't seem to consider a SB game for the 360 since almost nobody in the fanbase own that console. :rolleyes:
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BlackKite,
I know that the Microsoft thingie most likely has nothing to do with Basara, but since they announced that AND something for SSFIV, I thought it would be midly nice if there were an update on SB3 as well.
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Though Masamune is his nephew, I have a feeling that Yoshiaki wont get on with him very well, but fights alongside him all the same.

Also, Yoshiaki was originally allied with Hideyoshi, but Hideyoshi betrayed him and was responsible for the murder of Yoshiaki's precious daughter Komahime and her family. That would definately cause a lot of resentment, the perfect leverage to make him betray the alliance and join his nephew against Emonari :shifty:
Edited by murakumo, Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:45 am.
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