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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,201 Views)
DarkMantisTalon
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well i really dont know anything about the amago clan but for some reason i like it :D
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Claus
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:33 am
Anyway, as for the Amago clan, pardon for being negativist but could there be a possibility that their appearance is nothing but "cutscene stepping stones"? Especially considering how the Basara team is so incredibly secretive with everything.
But since Motochika's busy fighting hyperactive highschool mikos, there's a chance Motonari's getting a new rival. That would be pretty cool but will Basara's main source of income (the fujoshi, of course!) accept their "separation"?
I don't think they would be cutscene only. Besides, Motonari already has Chugoku, there would be absolutely no point to have one cutscene scene with them if they weren't going to be included, what would their purpose be in a cutscene? Like i said, Motonari has Chugoku adding them in only in a cutscene would be pointless, it would be as pointless as showing Mitsuhide killing Nobunaga out of the blue in the opening cutscene for someone, then never being mentioned again. No, if their clan crest is shown I have a good feeling the Amako will be represented somehow, posiibly NPC, but that seems unlikely to me for some reason.

On a side note, I'm not sure the Amako would be a rival to Motonari, they would be to the Mori what Tsuru is to Motochika, a nuissance that is in their way. Though the Amako are more politically and Militarily involved, stronger and more important than Tsuru. I mean Motonari took the Amako and Ouchi clan on at the same time, Amako is not so devastating to the Mori IMHO, but Basara could bend that . . . Either way I really like the Amako, so their inclusioon would definitely make me happy.
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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@Balder:

If you read this profile:
Yamanaka Shikanosuke

You know why the Amago clan could be represented. Shikanosuke saw himself as a child of the moon. SB Motonari sees himself as the child of the sun.

Perfect rivalry, eh? :sly:

Also MP, you should know him from the book "Taiko". Remember the scene from the book were Yamanaka was killed at the lake?

I´d be all for Yamanaka Shikanosuke. And I believe he only surrendered because he would later, again, try to avenge the death of his lord(s). He truly was a loyal and brave samurai. Worthy of being called the rival of BASARA Motonari.
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Oh yeah, I remember that scene :sly:
I've actually come across Shikanosuke during my studies, and he definitely would be a interesting add IMO, but, I wonder if Haruhisa would be more likely... Though, Shikanosuke has his whole moon thing going on while Motonari has his sun, so my moneys on the the Cresent moon samurai.

Saying this, I wonder how his design will play out. Motonari resembles a plant *coughokracough*, which, as we all should know, relies heavily on sunlight, so perhaps Shikanosuke's would have a oceany feel to it? Nevertheless, I'm all for an Amago and see no reason why Motonari can't have deep relationship with another character without the fujoshi getting frustrated. I mean, Aniki has Ieyasu, Motonari, Tsuru and isn't he supposed to have one with Maggie? Still, this could play against us if they make the Amago rep a pretty boy. Like there isn't enough ChikaXNari "special" fan art already :rolleyes:

So, now we have some decent clues as to which new characters maybe joining in:
- Mogami Yoshiaki (Due to a slip-up on Shiratori-san's behalf)
- Ukita Hideie (Sengoku Drama mode map screenshot)
- Gracia/ Nankobo Tenkai (Hayami-san saying he'll "transform and get in the game")
- Yamanaka Shikanosuke/ Amago Haruhisa/ Amago Yoshihisa (Recently discovered Amago crest in JF trailer)

It seems like a pretty nice line-up to me, and theres only more to come! I wonder if we'll see one of these characters in the Famitsu leak...
Edited by Manta Punk, Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:38 pm.
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Yukimori sounds like an interesting character, it would be cool if he was included (perhaps more likely than the Amago, he seems to have a more heroic history). The "crescent moon" theme and his legendary loyalty and honour would make him a fun addition for SB to play around with.
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I don't know much about the Amago clan as a whole...I only read Tsunehisa's (Harushisa's father?) biography, and he was the one who changed the clan from a a jobber vassal household to a relatively powerful threat in Chugoku...he was referred to "man without earthly desires", as he was very generous and did not hunger for other territories (IIRC)

But as Xanxus said, anyone would be fine. Shikanosuke would be very interesting, but having someone with a different surname represent the clan would be kind of....I don't know, I'd feel sorry for the "true" Amago....


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So, now we have some decent clues as to which new characters maybe joining in:
- Mogami Yoshiaki (Due to a slip-up on Shiratori-san's behalf)
- Ukita Hideie (Sengoku Drama mode map screenshot)
- Gracia/ Nankobo Tenkai (Hayami-san saying he'll "transform and get in the game")
- Yamanaka Shikanosuke/ Amago Haruhisa/ Amago Yoshihisa (Recently discovered Amago crest in JF trailer)



There's also an unknown icon in the Kanto area, near Yukimura's location....
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There's also an unknown icon in the Kanto area, near Yukimura's location....


Kanto is a big region, it could be several different people. But my bet would be the Satake clan.

btw I was watching Yukimura's gameplay video when something caught my eye. Several of the soliders who appear to serve Motonari are pictured with the Oda crest rather than the Mouri crest. Why do you think this is?
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Nine Demons Yoshitaka
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I remember people saying that on 2ch too. Maybe it was a mistake since the game is still on development?
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:22 am
You know why the Amago clan could be represented. Shikanosuke saw himself as a child of the moon. SB Motonari sees himself as the child of the sun.
A VERY valid point, Sir.
Thanks for the link. I must confess I was rather ignorant of the Amago clan.
Seems Shika had a helmet adorned with antlers like Honda. That said, gameplay-wise he could the "successor" to the Takeda School of Bull-Charging (and oppose Mori's more "refined" tactics).

Regarding clues about new characters, could that talk about Nagamasa not being forgotten mean we might get one of his daughters as well?
I guess it could hint at Oichi too. Either way's fine with me, but although I speak against a personal favorite, I'd like to see ChaCha make an appearance.
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:22 am
@Balder:

If you read this profile:
Yamanaka Shikanosuke

You know why the Amago clan could be represented. Shikanosuke saw himself as a child of the moon. SB Motonari sees himself as the child of the sun.

Perfect rivalry, eh? :sly:
I Actually never thought of that. :o Its looking like The crescent Samurai has a better chance than I thought. :sly: But NYD said it for me, I'm not sure the Amako should be represented by someone with a Different surname, though they could give Shikanosuke a revenge like story for Motonari defeating the Amako . . . But that doesn't seem too plausible to me. :/ Also, Shikanosuke wasn't a diehard-born-into-the-clan warriors of the Amako, IIRC he joined them later in life, I could be wrong though. Still, I love the Amako, it'll be cool to see them reresented by someone. ^_^

The next update is getting closer, I'd be lying if i said i wasn't excited to see who they reveal. :shifty:
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:18 pm
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:22 am
@Balder:

If you read this profile:
Yamanaka Shikanosuke

You know why the Amago clan could be represented. Shikanosuke saw himself as a child of the moon. SB Motonari sees himself as the child of the sun.

Perfect rivalry, eh? :sly:
I Actually never thought of that. :o Its looking like The crescent Samurai has a better chance than I thought. :sly: But NYD said it for me, I'm not sure the Amako should be represented by someone with a Different surname, though they could give Shikanosuke a revenge like story for Motonari defeating the Amako . . . But that doesn't seem too plausible to me. :/ Also, Shikanosuke wasn't a diehard-born-into-the-clan warriors of the Amako, IIRC he joined them later in life, I could be wrong though. Still, I love the Amako, it'll be cool to see them reresented by someone. ^_^

The next update is getting closer, I'd be lying if i said i wasn't excited to see who they reveal. :shifty:
Hint: Tsuruhime. She was daughter of a Kono clan retainer. And her clan crest in this game is of the Kono's. :sly:
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so does that mean shes the only one reping the kono clan or can yukinaga still appear because like someone said before it seems theres only one person from each clan
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Claus
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:34 pm
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:18 pm
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:22 am
@Balder:

If you read this profile:
Yamanaka Shikanosuke

You know why the Amago clan could be represented. Shikanosuke saw himself as a child of the moon. SB Motonari sees himself as the child of the sun.

Perfect rivalry, eh? :sly:
I Actually never thought of that. :o Its looking like The crescent Samurai has a better chance than I thought. :sly: But NYD said it for me, I'm not sure the Amako should be represented by someone with a Different surname, though they could give Shikanosuke a revenge like story for Motonari defeating the Amako . . . But that doesn't seem too plausible to me. :/ Also, Shikanosuke wasn't a diehard-born-into-the-clan warriors of the Amako, IIRC he joined them later in life, I could be wrong though. Still, I love the Amako, it'll be cool to see them reresented by someone. ^_^

The next update is getting closer, I'd be lying if i said i wasn't excited to see who they reveal. :shifty:
Hint: Tsuruhime. She was daughter of a Kono clan retainer. And her clan crest in this game is of the Kono's. :sly:
Hmm, well now Shikanosuke has an even better chance. :o I thought Tsuru would just be a clanless character kinda like Itsuki and they would ignore her lineage. Anything is possible i guess. o,,o
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You´re not the only one Balder.

I only knew of Shikanosuke and the Amago from the "Taiko" book.

Hmmm...but now that you mention it MP...Motonari is light...but I don´t think darnkess would fit the moon. I´d rather think of Shikanosuke as an ice user. He could be the one, that freezes the warmth of the sunlight, the cold and dark night. Ice could also be formed into water, so he could have some water attacks mixed into his ice moveset.

Now I really want him in...the fact that he fights under the banner of the Amago would be no problem. Even though Yukimura and the Sanada clan fought with the Takeda, he never really was the "Taichou" of the whole Takeda clan, yet in BASARA no one else is there to represent the Takeda, now that Shingen is ill.

So Shikanosuke´s story could be, like in history, that the Amago clan was completely wiped out and now Shikanosuke, as a loyal servant, leads on his lords army, so it´d be allmost the same as Yukimura´s case, leading the Takeda.

But Shikanosukes had a tragic moment, cause his loyalty was tainted when his lord commited suicide, but Shikanosuke survived and even took mercy from the enemy in form of a small fief.

Though, again, I still think he did it to revenge his lord(s), it is still a black spot for him. Maybe he´d have some feelings of guilt. Maybe even an inner death wish, to join his lords, but only after he has accomplished his goals. I really love those self-tormenting characters (like Suzaku from Code Geass)
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You´re not the only one Balder.

I only knew of Shikanosuke and the Amago from the "Taiko" book.

Hmmm...but now that you mention it MP...Motonari is light...but I don´t think darnkess would fit the moon. I´d rather think of Shikanosuke as an ice user. He could be the one, that freezes the warmth of the sunlight, the cold and dark night. Ice could also be formed into water, so he could have some water attacks mixed into his ice moveset.

Now I really want him in...the fact that he fights under the banner of the Amago would be no problem. Even though Yukimura and the Sanada clan fought with the Takeda, he never really was the "Taichou" of the whole Takeda clan, yet in BASARA no one else is there to represent the Takeda, now that Shingen is ill.

So Shikanosuke´s story could be, like in history, that the Amago clan was completely wiped out and now Shikanosuke, as a loyal servant, leads on his lords army, so it´d be allmost the same as Yukimura´s case, leading the Takeda.

But Shikanosukes had a tragic moment, cause his loyalty was tainted when his lord commited suicide, but Shikanosuke survived and even took mercy from the enemy in form of a small fief.

Though, again, I still think he did it to revenge his lord(s), it is still a black spot for him. Maybe he´d have some feelings of guilt. Maybe even an inner death wish, to join his lords, but only after he has accomplished his goals. I really love those self-tormenting characters (like Suzaku from Code Geass)
I'm loving this idea, of this clash between Motonari and Shikanosuke, the Sun and the Moon. And I really think Shikanosuke's element could be either of the choices stated. On one hand, Motonari's element is light, and Shikanosuke having the element of darkness would be the perfect contrast. On the other hand, him having the element of ice would be strongly symbolic, of both the chill of the night and of the moon's manipulation of the tides. I would be shocked if Koba didn't do this.

And I never like emos, but this whole theory of him tormenting himself due to the tainting of his loyalty could be well executed. And given Mitsunari's rampage against Ieyasu in the name of his dead lord shows that such strong loyalty isn't out of place.
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I'm so excited. This is turning out to be better than SW3. If Gracia is added, i will most definitely like this over SW3! :lol: No kidding.
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Just found out Kasuga is nothing but an NPC in this game. I hate when game companies do dumb **** like this for no reason.
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Shikanosuke or to a lesser extent Amago Haruhisa being in the game would make this a 100% buy for me. I've been waiting for proper Amago representation for YEARS from either Koei or Capcom.

With the likes of Ukita Hideie, Mogami Yoshiaki, and possibly one of the Satakes in, Capcom's got me on a leash. :hehe:
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im just waiting for the next update hoping we get rather some ninjas or other people lol and i hope its like 4 new PCs and 2 old NPCs(maedas)
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i don't think they would give as much as 4 new PCs in one update. 2 maybe.

And uh, yeah. If Shikanosuke is in, I would forgive Capcom for NPC-fying Kojuro and Kenshin.
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The child of the Moon eh? I like the sound of that. I'm all for Shikanosuke's inclusion, he seems like a solid addition to the Basara-verse. Also, he seems like an ideal character to have the element that I've been waiting for the last 7 years, namely water.

Let's see, what kind of weapon would he use? He is a true warrior, which means that he would probably have a pretty serious weapon. Something to play into the crescent moon theme....

Any ideas?
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i got one he could have cresent moon blades that are curved comparing to motonaris ring blade

and i want some new elements too i think there should be water,poison, and idk what else
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The child of the Moon eh? I like the sound of that. I'm all for Shikanosuke's inclusion, he seems like a solid addition to the Basara-verse. Also, he seems like an ideal character to have the element that I've been waiting for the last 7 years, namely water.

Let's see, what kind of weapon would he use? He is a true warrior, which means that he would probably have a pretty serious weapon. Something to play into the crescent moon theme....

Any ideas?
A Crescent Blade? :mellow:

Motonari's Ring Blade looks like a sun, so why not give Shikanosuke a long sword thats curved like a crescent blade, or a sycth like weapon, with a crescent shaped blade, so in other words a crescent shaped sycth.

I'm gonna stop now because I'm getting abit tired of writing 'crescent'. xD
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No Water. Water should be splash effect and that's Lightning's effect.
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No Water. Water should be splash effect and that's Lightning's effect.
Water could also drench the enemy, slowing movement and attack speeds..
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