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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| HokutoNoBen | Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:09 am Post #351 |
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If this is indeed a part of the same deal between Nintendo and Capcom, the likes of which also include Monster Hunter Tri and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom? I wouldn't count on such a thing. Logically, I would not expect such a thing, because of the sheer costs that would be generated, alone... |
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| Hondam | Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:58 am Post #352 |
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Still can hope. And though it can't really be compared fully, SB2H still shows that they were willing to try such a move. Or maybe it's just that I'd rather not see some silly showdown between SB and SM, but eh. I'll still end up getting it on release day either way but should it be a strictly Wii exclusive, it'll still be somewhat of a letdown knowing the game won't be able to reach its full potential by not being on the PS3. |
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| BlackKite | Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:43 am Post #353 |
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Well, when Capcom clarifies about a certain media, they must be mentioning both articles in Nikkei newspaper and site, because the articles are the same. That's why I'm still holding a bit of hope that it might be released for the PS3 as well. >.< |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:53 am Post #354 |
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As long as Capcom even plans to use the potential the PS3 holds...if they plan a multiplatform release, won't the graphics-engine be "evened out" between Wii and PS3? I don't know zilch about programming, but that would cut production costs...right? Personally, I just want more gameplay options...characters, moves, new modes, stages, etc. They're going in the right direction with SB2H (the new stages there are much more interactive than the old ones), so I guess we'll have lots more to interact with in the future... |
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| DarkDante | Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:35 pm Post #355 |
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Well I still think this has a high chance of being multi console, perhaps even if it is a timed exclusive for Wii (6 months/1 year). There is no knowing whether SB will succeed on Wii, who knows maybe Wii owners may choose SW for it's higher profile and Miyamoto himself backing it. At least on Sony consoles they know where the fanbase is. Remember RE4 was going to be GC exclusive but Capcom changed their minds because they were unsure about the reaction from GC owners and the fact RE series has such a strong following on Sony consoles. |
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| HokutoNoBen | Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:31 pm Post #356 |
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Again...I still don't see such a thing happening. Out of all of the 3 Capcom titles (not including the new Lightgun RE game) that are coming out/already out, it goes without saying that MH3 is the biggest name of the three. Tatsunoko vs. Capcom and SB3 are MUCH lower on the totem pole, in comparison. And as it stands right now, MH3, the game with the highest profile, is NOT standing to get ported to anything else (a new MH Portable is already announced, but even so, it's not likely to be a verbatim port of the Wii game). In any case, if MH3 is not getting ported, then, really, what's the reason for either of the other two to do as such? Once again, the "technical-based" reason is a good thing to start with. Much like with Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, Capcom is not likely to go through all the effort necessary to port a Wii-level game to the PS3. That costs too much money for the "porting process", and you might as well be fundamentally making a "brand new version of the game", in the process. Capcom even did more to come clean with it about this very issue a few months ago, so if you don't believe just my words, then just read the basic statement about such right here, from the director's mouth:
- http://www.videogamer.com/news/capcom_no_plans_for_tatsunoko_vs_capcom_xbla_psn_port.html Such things about SB3 are likely to apply just as much (especially if the Wii would be the leading version). For example, all graphical effects, especially the 2D ones, that would be used for fireballs/projectiles, special attacks, explosions, etc would have to be "redrawn" in HD clarity. Because whatever graphics that could be made to be suitable for a 480p console as the "base" version, would not look good at all on a 720p console. This is the kind of work that would be entailed, if you wanted to make an "upscaled" port of a Wii game on the PS3. That's more work than most companies are willing to invest in, especially when the "return" (re: profit) is not likely to have made it worth their time. In other words, don't count on Capcom's history of being "port happy", to carry you through in this particular instance. This is a quite different day and age from last generation, where PS2 <-> GCN/Xbox ports were pretty rampant, and such things were relatively easy to do, because the PS2, GC and Xbox were "relatively close" in graphical power. Now, that we're in a day and age where there is the HD systems and the non-HD systems, this changes the rules of engagement. In any case, it's much easier to "downscale/downgrade" a game from the HD original, than it is to go the other way. Therefore, at this point in time, a PS2 port of BASARA 3 is more likely than a PS3 port, but even that may not be saying much, considering that even Capcom, as a whole, has wrapped it up with PS2 development (and again, if they were not willing to do such things for MH or especially TvC, then there's no precedence to showcase for SB3 being a possibility). Finally, again, you have to remember that the BASARA demographic is still, relatively speaking, quite small. Somewhere in the vicinity of 100,000-300,000, if we go by the sales of SB2/Heroes and the recent Battle Heroes. This is the other thing that's worthy of mention. BASARA is the type of franchise in Capcom's stable, that could LEAST afford to try a "multi-console" approach, because splitting a demographic as small as BASARA's down the middle (or in some other type of fractional form) is not going to make the sales numbers any better for one console or the other. It would just be a type of "spoiler effect" (for those familiar with the political-based term). This would wouldn't make the suits at Capcom happy in the least, and that's exactly who Kobyashi would have to answer to. So, I'm sorry guys, but, being realistic, and looking at the recent trends, everything points to the notion that what we are seeing is very likely just what we're going to get. When BASARA works its way up the "ladder" some more, possibly gaining a sizable audience in both Japan and America? THEN maybe the time will come for a HD version of BASARA, in the future. But for right now, it's still too much of a lower-tier, "on a budget" franchise, for such things that we may wish for to occur. |
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| Claus | Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:15 am Post #357 |
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^^Even though that makes perfect sense, and i dont expect a ps3 port of SB3 whos to say that they wont make an eventual BASARA sequel for the ps3, it may be too early to ride it off just yet, though, i get it now that there will not be a port.
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:57 am Post #358 |
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I understand the technical difficulties...but if Capcom thought it counter-productive to split Basara's fanbase by releasing a game on two consoles, why would they release SB2-H on Wii...? .....maybe because they wanted to prepare that fanbase to a subsequent Wii sequel of the series...?? ....I own neither console, so I don't really care where it goes...and the Wii is cheaper, so... There's not many other interesting games though I wanted to play Vesperia...
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| HokutoNoBen | Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:15 am Post #359 |
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Pretty much. The Double Pack was basically, in the end, more of a "test run" than anything else. And it had to go against rather steep odds; after all, most people were happy buying PS2's "HEROES", so that they can stay in their lane, and take advantage of all those upgraded characters from the original SB2. Obviously, SB2 Double Pack met Capcom's rather low sales expectations (and in the end, it didn't cost them THAT much to produce and market any way). Between that, and probably finding out that Koei was also moving in such a direction, going for the Wii was probably a "logical choice". |
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| lmay19 | Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:32 pm Post #360 |
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I'm surprised at this because all the japanese rpgs go to the 360 these days I guess japan is sick of rpgs
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| HokutoNoBen | Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:09 pm Post #361 |
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The interesting thing is, a number of those 360 RPGs were constructed, because some of those developers were trying to help Microsoft's machine in Japan, while also giving a bit of consideration for the US market, too. It also helps that the 360 is reasonably easier to develop for, as opposed to the PS3. For example, Tales of Vesperia. Game was made for the 360 first, much to the dismay of many Japanese fans. When the blurb was leaked that there was definitely going to be a PS3 port, many were not pleased that they had to even deal with the 360. And now, it looks like Namco is moving away from the 360 altogether, as there are no further announcements relating to the Tales series and 360 as part of the plans. Even companies like Square Enix and Sega are trying to do more to "please everybody" by having PS3 and 360 multiconsole releases, at best. Even there, though, so much should be clear about things, when FF13 Versus is still reportedly PS3 only, while Dragon Quest 10's announcer of being for the Wii should be no real shock to any one... |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:37 pm Post #362 |
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http://www.gametrailers.com/video/japanese-teaser-sengoku-basara/54264 Now even gametrailers has the teaser on the site + listed as Wii game. Would be funny if it´s really not a Wii game...great joke CAPCOM. Just give us the plattform. What´s the use? Would that drop the MH3 sale numbers? What´s the great plan? @Makishima: What type of games do you like? Even though they are a bit "older" there´s still Wii Sports/Resort, All the party games like Raving Rabbids/Mario Party/Wario Ware, Metroid Prime 3, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, No more Heroes/the upcoming No More Heroes, Mad World, Super Paper Mario, The Conduit, all the Virtual Classic games, World of Goo, Final Fantasy IV: The after years, coming games like Monster Hunter 3, Sengoku Basara 3, Tales of Graces, Dragon Quest, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers, Muramasa, Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid: Other M, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Red Steel 2 and some other multiplattfrom games and games I forgot. So I guess it´s not that bad, as everybody talks it to be. Still the best combi is a Wii/PS3 since you can enjoy allmost every loved and famous franchise out there. @HNB: "Logical way"
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:50 pm Post #363 |
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I like J-rpgs and scrolling beat-em ups mainly...lately there's not really many games that grab my attention, but I don't follow releases that much. Wii seems good mostly for party and nintendo games: I'd like a console to last me a long time...I loved the PS1 and PS2, so I thought the PS3 would be good too. But I'm getting second thoughts... (ToVS, Dissidia, MH...a PSP + Wii combo looks appetizing too...the latter's cheap and all) Sorry for going OT here Will next week bring us the goodies..? Capcom's sealed mouth seems to be opening little by little... |
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| DarkDante | Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:09 pm Post #364 |
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PS3 is an EPIC FAIL when it comes to JRPG's... much to my sadness. I love Demon's Souls and Valkyria Chronicles but neither are JRPG's in the traditional sense and it's embarassing given the amount that the X360 now has. Anyway I hope we don't have to wait until TGS to get some info on SB3, but as each week passes its becoming more likely. |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:26 pm Post #365 |
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What does the XBOX have in comparison...? Anyway, as Ben said, it looks like companies are moving away from the box...I dunno, I'd miss SO4 but the future looks brighter on the PS3....maybe? I agree on the TGS thing. That'd mean waiting another month+ without news...that'd be just painful. |
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| DarkDante | Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:35 pm Post #366 |
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ToV, Infinite Undiscovery, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, SO4, The Last Remnant,. Sure none of them are 'AAA' titles but still at least there is a bit of a selection there, what do us PS3 owners have? Not a lot and frankly I'm pretty upset by it given JRPG's are my favourite genre... Sony really dropped the ball this gen with JRPG's I mean the only decent exclusive is White Knight Chronicles and that is taking over a year to translate to the west!! |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:35 pm Post #367 |
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BK...I guess it was you ....allready said, that most likely something will be revealed at the end of this month...so only two more weeks to go.Hoepfully we get something. KOEI´s just throwing out news, we could talk days about and CAPCOM just tells us, SB3 is not dead with the teaser. Great. |
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| BlackKite | Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:53 pm Post #368 |
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Well, I'm also hoping that something about SB3 will come out at this week's Famitsu. After all starting this week it will be released on Thursdays instead, so I'm going to hope there will be many interesting infos to accompany this significant change. |
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| DarkDante | Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:01 pm Post #369 |
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Although unlikely, the best scenario would be to get SB3 and SW3 info on alternating weeks. That would be awesome and really hype the competition up between the two series. |
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| wodash | Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:04 pm Post #370 |
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they do seem to bent of making this a some sort of company war,i also realized they used the same concept for the trailers,except SB3 doesnt have SB3 in the trailer yet as for downgrades,KOEI is prone to do such stuffs(and also upgrades apparently,with the recent WOZ and multiraid),we'll probably see SW3 in PS2 or PSP very soon,maybe after the Wii less SW fan finally bought a Wii.... as for capcom this might be the first time they will do such thing if it happens(SBBH is a step down indeed,but its not a direct downgrade in any sense since its a different game) |
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| lmay19 | Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:24 pm Post #371 |
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Why would the japanese be mad at the 360? lol the main reason I bought one was because of its jrpg reputation. I might ask for a Wii for xmas -- then I can play Symphonia, and maybe SW and SB if they take forever to port... KOEI / Capcom just wants the maximum sales from the most popular system's games. It's all about money. And chances are SW3 / SB3 will be incomplete, and then release more complete versions on the PS2 and PSP, and then expansions somewhere in there... it's all so sick and twisted. Anyway I'm not so sure why anyone here would buy a PS3 given it's just like the old xbox (mostly sports & shooters). Please release info this week on whether this is "exclusive" Capcom... and also on if Tokugawa are gonna be shafted again.
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| HokutoNoBen | Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:50 pm Post #372 |
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Honestly? At least some of it probably comes from "xenophobic" related reasons. Xbox and its successor are both American-brand consoles, and Japan is noted to have a lot of "national pride", when it comes to things like this. In any case, the Xbox's basic failure in Japan last generation, did a lot to make for a bad impression/positive confirmation for those few who were willing to give Microsoft's brand a chance. Now they REALLY aren't interested any longer, even if Project Natal will likely (shamelessly) try to reach out to them, too.
If nothing else, those guys who attended that special event promised us REAL info towards the end of August. Well...here we are, towards the end of August. Time to start that hype bandwagon, that should hopefully be the start of Capcom's own "war effort", or if nothing else, carry us into TGS.
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| Manta Punk | Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:18 pm Post #373 |
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Ah,Lucky me. I realised i'll be turning 18 in November and my Mum and Dad said they'll spend a bit more money on a gift for me.I'm thinking of importing a black Japanese Wii if BASARA 3 is exclusive too it.Now before you call me weird for buying a console for one game,there are many more Japanese only Wii games that I want,namely One Piece:Unlimited cruise Episode 1 and 2. I'm still luling it over.I mean I can't think of anything else I would like and even if I did I could easily get it for Christmas. |
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| HokutoNoBen | Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:38 am Post #374 |
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Well, if you really want the Japanese Wii, then by all means, go for it. But again, you could stand to save some money and time, if you go domestic, and then just go through the steps necessary to d/l some homebrew programs, which would effectively render your American Wii able to play Japanese games. I've listed links in the last page or so. Check 'em out, if you will. |
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| lmay19 | Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:00 am Post #375 |
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I probably will in the future. Thanks! I knew Japan didn't like the original Xbox, but thought it was because the games weren't "japanese". Now that the 360 has all the j-games I thought it was favored by them second to the wii. Now I know Japan's racisism! oh well, I'm still buying their games!
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I wanted to play Vesperia...
I guess japan is sick of rpgs
....allready said, that most likely something will be revealed at the end of this month...so only two more weeks to go.

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