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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,190 Views)
Claus
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Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:14 pm
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Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:56 pm
I believe there are several stages in SB2/SB2H where you could find a horse and ride it.

As for Kotaro, he is good the way he is. The only thing I wanna know is the reason why he never speaks.
I know that there are several stages that allow you ride I'm talking about unlocking hourses to use in battle.
Its simple, Basara stages aren't built for it, plus, you can't do flashy moves while riding on a horse, Horses in SB2 were its worst feature, I hated them.

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Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:07 pm
The only thing I wanna know is the reason why he never speaks.
I always assumed it was just a character trait. Either that or the budget couldn't allow for another voice actor.
Anyway, during his taunt a faint gust of wind is audible. Perhaps he may really be a supernatural entity. After all, he is the "wind demon".

As for the horses, I prefer if they don't make a return.
Sure it was fun in Odawara where we could casually prance to the gates, but that other one when we had to get those 3 mooks carrying the ammunitions before they passed the gate while avoiding the mistake of running into both Nouhime and Ranmaru was a nightmare...
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yeah my matsukaze idea sounds like a fail

so about kotaro(my fav basara character)i wondered too why he never talk he talked alot of trash in SW but doesent say a word in basara well i hope if he comes back in SB3 he atleast says SOMETHING and if hanzo makes it i hope they become fierce rivals

so now all there is to do is wait and see
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Actually, Keiji and Hideyoshi both had unique horses. Everyone else has generic ones. I don't see why they need to get rid of horses. I think they should have an item that starts you on a horse. They were helpful sometimes, especially since you didn't take any damage while on one.
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I'd only really be for the idea of horses if they stood to do more to be basically "meat shields" with a +5 to speed. Boring~! Even the mounts in the likes of Golden Axe (classic side-scroller brawlers of the 16-bit era, not that abomination from a year or so ago!) had more personality than that!

I mean, in the CG intros for the last few games, plus the anime, we were able to see Masa and Yuki doing some admittedly cool stuff on horse back. To say the least, I don't see why I can't have Masamune do his "WOLF DANCE" on Horse Back.

But in my opinion, I would at least like to see a sort of "Mega Man X" type of arrangement. Either make it so that each character has a specific horse that compliments their playstyle and moveset, (with maybe one or two "Horse-back exclusive" special techs for the character), or make it so that there's like 4-6 different horses that you can find throughout the various levels, that each come equipped with various attacks of their own.

Imagine if there was big-ass, Koku-oh (Hokuto no Ken) type of horse that could mercilessly trample all over the opposition, plus cause earthquakes! Maybe another could have a fire attribute that could launch fire balls. Etc., etc., "THIS.IS.BASARA." and so forth.

Again, for a series that is all about the over-the-top, either preen away that which does little to contribute to the cause, or up the ante for it already. But don't leave me with underwhelming things like how they did horses back in SB2.
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I have to admit I'm a little disappointed that SB3 doesn't include Masamune's motor-horse. As cheesy as it was, that horse was awesome, and it added a nice little touch to his character.
Plus, no doubt a lot of the anime-watchers will miss it. I also prefer him having a pure black horse to the gray he seems to ride in the new game.

Oh, and at Balder, I didn't ask that question, in fact I gave an opinion on the matter (though admittedly not my own).

Also, I know it's too much to ask, but I wish people would stop comparing Basara and Musou/Warriors all the time. I know they are very similar in a number of ways, and if you want to compare them that's fine, but it seems to me that SW is treated as the "original Sengoku period game", and therefore Capcom performed some sort of elaborate kage bunshin-no-jutsu, tweaked a few character designs and added in some Gratuitous English for effect. I myself like both series (though I prefer Basara's quirkiness), and I have nothing against Musou, but I don't like that some folks wont accept Basara as an independent franchise and feel that everything Capcom does must be compared to Koei, as if because Koei did it first (which, to be honest, they didn't) Basara must follow as faithfully as possible. They are different games; if you're annoyed that Basara hasn't included your favourite SW character, then go play SW. If you prefer Hanzo as a badass ninja like in SW, then go play him in SW. Don't complain that Basara's version is too different. Chances are both renditions will be as far away as possible from the real thing.

...Sorry, I have a tendency to rant. Oh, and please, let no mention of the name "Akainu" be made here. I am still far from being over Ace. I may just break my computer screen, and then you wouldn't be able to hear me rant at all would you? :hehe:
Edited by murakumo, Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:20 am.
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Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:20 am
I have to admit I'm a little disappointed that SB3 doesn't include Masamune's motor-horse. As cheesy as it was, that horse was awesome, and it added a nice little touch to his character.
Plus, no doubt a lot of the anime-watchers will miss it. I also prefer him having a pure black horse to the gray he seems to ride in the new game.
i don't watch the anime,or read the mangas,since it will mentally scar me with non canon stuffs and out of character acts(or very in character,like overexposure of yaoiness),so thank god masamune doesnt get his bike horse in SB3,he doesnt need one to be badass

keiji has one because.....well he has one,matsukaze is as famous as keiji himself,so there's no reason to not include it again,hideyoshi's are just a further shout out of "hey,i'm inspired by raoh!" thing going on for him, that,and a regular horse will probably die when hideyoshi rides it...

don't ask where koei gets the idea of masamune riding a red hare either,i don't think its free to import from the lands of china,mainly because in the sangoku era itself the species is already extinct....

for me what the characters need is a stylish horse combat style not a unique horse,to NDY,this might sound like a broken record since i have said this over and over again in the old SB threads,they need to make the horse riders more unique,especially yukimura,which can do awesome feats atop his horse in previous SB cutscenes/movies

but not all of them should get one IMO,just a few that actually had mounted combat prowess,in order to distinct themselves from others,some of them should just stay generic on horse riding,and some others should not be allowed to ride a horse at all(kanbei,hondam,yoshitsugu)
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I may just break my computer screen, and then you wouldn't be able to hear me rant at all would you? :hehe:
that would be amusing to watch actually.......can you turn the webcam on while you do that? :hmmm:
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A character like mr. Sakazuki (is this safe, Koen?) would be cool though...that guy is freakin' Terminator.

Anyway, if we could choose a character from OP that we'd like to see represented (via a similar personality, I mean) in Basara, I'd say Foxy, hands down. I miss that sleazy bastard...he or Eneru...or maybe Kizaru....but Apoo would be great too!

OT: Let's keep our spirits up, guys...we've passed the worst for now. We have Tsuru's video next week, and new info the next....another 3 characters? (2 new + one returning?)

I hope Koba gives us silhouettes this time!
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I see a lot of fellow OP manga fans in here ^__^. I agree with everyone who mentioned it, a character similar to Magma man WOULD be dope. At the same time, I perfectly understand all the rage just mentioning his name can bring about in many OP fans so I won't talk about him anymore, lol.

OP wise, NDY is right that someone like Kizaru would be cool to have in SB. However, I would have to throw my hat in for someone like Franky more than anything. Just imagining how someone like that would react to stuff in the SB world ... so many possibilities! :hehe:
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Personally, I don't think I like the idea of horses in Basara all that much. First, the game is based pretty much entirely around comboing, juggling enemies, using your skills effectively, etc. Putting the character on a horse takes a lot of that away. Horse controls in games are always pretty unwieldy, with difficulty turning and speed inconsistency, making it very difficult to actually fight a group of enemies as opposed to bash through them at top speed, especially for a game like Basara which needs to be all about tight controls.

Also, as opposed to something like SW, where you are fighting on big open fields and need to cover a lot of distance very fast at times, that just isn't the way Basara stages are built. The flow of stages in Basara involves going from the beginning to the end, systematically taking out groups of enemies in stylish ways as opposed to having to manage an entire field at the same time where danger can break out on the other side at any moment.

Lastly, Basara characters tend to have a great running speed, so I never feel like I'm trudging through a level and that's usually what the main use of horses in games are for.

Now, maybe they could do something crazy and make a character solely based around riding a horse (much like Yoshitsugu riding the palanquin), that way they could focus on keeping the controls very tight and maintain the skills and stylishness this series is known for.

I dunno, just my opinion, but I'm biased in that I usually only really like controlling characters on foot in games
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It's kind of ironic. In SW, horses are like impossible to NOT use. But, in BASARA, the only reason why I would never use horses is because in Ujimasa's level, I just used it to get to my special treasure chest faster. Matsukaze is awesome in SW, by the way. Man, I'm about to start looking up SW vids. Koba, give me something new in this week's Famitsu, PLEASE.
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Koba, give me something new in this week's Famitsu, PLEASE.
Sorry, that ain't going to happen. Koba has said that new info will come in April, so probably the most interesting thing we'll see this week would be just Tsuruhime's gameplay video.

But if he does release brand-new info the week right after that... you can look forward to next week's Famitsu which could be leaked on Wednesday, 31 March. :rolleyes:
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But if he does release brand-new info the week right after that... you can look forward to next week's Famitsu which could be leaked on Wednesday, 31 March. :rolleyes:
Last day of march woot! :mellow: Were so skipping around that "New info in april" statement, 'cause we might get it one day earlier, were tripping the system! [/sarcasm]

Still, I'm against horses in Basara, robotzombie summed it up nicely.

OT: I recognize the poeple in BK's avatar, I've seen you use them before. :shifty:
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Off-topic: Akainu...you...damn...freakin...BASTARD!!!

I´d hate a character like that. Just because I´d refer to that old magma spilling executer. I hope you´ll be finished off soon, don´t care who does it.

Okay...the marine are the good guys, cause there are pirates out there who did some horrible things (and real life pirates aren´t friendly honor loving peacekeepers either)...but damn...just once...believe in your own justice, like Smoker said...forget the orders...the two greatest pirates in OP history...are dead thanks to him...someone should slowly beat the crap out of Akainu, then let him suffer all the 5 hells of impel down with seastone cuffs on him, after that get constantly tossed into water till he allmost drowns and then die a slow and painfull death no one can ever imagine...oh...well...got carried away... :whistle:

/off topic OP fanboy rant

Okay, I´ll join the Hanzo discussion.

There are several reasons Hanzo should be included:
A) Kotaro needs a rival. As everyone said, everyone has a rival in BASARA.
B) Ieyasu was slain by Mitsuhide in the anime. The only way to have him appear in season two without giving us some "Mitsuhide just didn´t finish the job cause he had a change of heart"-explanation, so I guess the makers of the anime allready knew something about SB3 and some characters that are included...except for Yoshihiro...won´t see him in season 2 <_<
C) The Shikoku incident. I mean we know that Ieyasu would only be able to "truly" rule the land, if he defeated everyone that could oppose him. Even though Motochika "is/was" his friend he might still one day, be a threat to peace. And even if Ieyasu´s kind hearted nature and desire for peace stand against an attack of Shikoku...someone did it.

Someone of the Tokugawa (Koba said it, Tokugawa, so not just one of the eastern alliance, someone under the banner of the Tokugawa)
did it.

If Ieyasu is the light and hope for japan...someone has to do his dirty work. Cause you can´t win a war with bonds and peace alone...

As Lelouch said it fitting in the Code Geass anime:
Suppose there is an evil that justice cannot bring down.
What would you do?
Would you taint your hands with evil to destroy evil?
Or would you carry out your own justice and succumb to that evil?


So Hanzo might be the shadow, that works behind Ieyasu. Someone who does the things, Ieyasu can´t do. Someone who lives in the darkness, to see the light rise.

Maybe he was the one who assasinated Hideyoshi, the one who "brought upon Shingen´s fate", the one who attacked Shikoku...all the things Ieyasu wanted to do, but couldn´t, since it´s against all he stands for.

I mean, in "real history", we often heard that Ieyasu secretly disposed those, he saw as a thread. Those were only rumors...but even so, it wasn´t him who did it. It was someone behind the scenes...

Maybe the Hanzo in BASARA is somewhat villain like and even Ieyasu dislikes him, for his actions...but he all does it for the greater good.
He´s a character hated by everyone, but doesn´t mind as long as his dreams come true. Wouldn´t that be an anti-hero? I love anti-heros... :shifty:
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Look guys, I'd like to give my two cents worth on the OP side-post here, but I think we should end it there. Not because I think it's too "off-topic" but if this continues we may spoil it for some here and I don't want that to happen.

You make a compelling argument DK. I think your theory on Hanzo has a lot merit and a couple of hooks that I would like to see happen. In this scenario how would you like to see Hanzo portrayed more character-specifically? I.e. do you want him to be a pure ninja as depicted in most fiction or more like a ninjutsu-practicing samurai for example?

By the way, cut the horses. I've never been a fan of horseback in Basara.
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Hmmm...well it´s hard to tell.

First I thought of him to be a more like a Cyborg...but that lost it´s flavour after some time...

Now I thought of something else. You could still call him a cyborg, but I want him to be a human with some "spare parts" or better said prostheses, like Dororo

Having a hidden chainsaw in his right arm, a rocket/smoke-flash bomb/small bomb-lauchner in his left knee, hidden poison needles in his left elbow, iron chained blades in his sleeves...meaning, being unpredictable.

Ninjas are masters of surprise afterall, to move in the shadow and attack the enemy with something he doesn´t expect.

So, he may have altered his body to become the perfect weapon...yes, just like Sasori from Naruto, Xanxus :lol:

As I´ve said...he doesn´t care what others think about him or what happens to him, as long as his dream comes true.
And if it means to bear the grudge of everyone, if it means to alter his body into a weapon, if it means to stand against everyone and everything...he will achieve his goal, with any means necessary.

He doesn´t care if someone insults him, he doesn´t care if someone insults Ieyasu, he doesn´t care if Ieyasu hates him for what he does, he doesn´t care if his allies and comrades are killed, he doesn´t care if he´s hurt or even killed...he has only one purpose and one goal. Nothing else.

He is not afraid to sacifrice, if he gains what he wants with it.
It may seem like he has no soul, like he´s a merciless and cold hearted demon, but in reality, he does it all to support Ieyasu and the dream both of them share. To have a land united in peace. And in his eyes, the only one able to do it, is Ieyasu.

It may seem like a bland character, but if played out right, he could become the most interesting character. I mean we allready have the obsessed fanboy/girl retainers - Yukimura, Mitsunari, Kasuga - but they all have a deeper meaning. Yukimura and Shingen are like father and son, Mitsunari idolizes Hideoyshi and Kasuga is in love with Kenshin.

To Hanzo, Ieyasu is just the perfect tool, to get what he wants. He doesn´t admire Ieyasu, nor does he idolize or love him. He´s just an irreplaceable part in his dream, a need to achieve his goal. And he´ll support him in any way necessary, if he has to.

He knows that Ieyasu isn´t the perfect tool he wants him to be and that´s why he has to help and protect him from the shadows. And if Ieyasu doesn´t move as he wants him to, because his personality doesn´t allow for such means, Hanzo just has to act on his own and "force him into action". Even if it means to break old bonds and hurt Ieyasu´s allies...

Also, I allready have a good explanation how Hanzo found Ieyasu...maybe Hanzo was one of the Ninjas that kidnapped Ieyasu in Tadakatu´s story :lol: ... :mellow: ...let´s better not warm up old things, that should´ve been forgotten :ph43r:

+ I´m with you Quelis...no horses. I didn´t need them in DK, SB1, SB2, SB2:H and SBBH...why should we need them now?
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Hmmm...well it´s hard to tell.

First I thought of him to be a more like a Cyborg...but that lost it´s flavour after some time...

Now I thought of something else. You could still call him a cyborg, but I want him to be a human with some "spare parts" or better said prostheses, like Dororo

Having a hidden chainsaw in his right arm, a rocket/smoke-flash bomb/small bomb-lauchner in his left knee, hidden poison needles in his left elbow, iron chained blades in his sleeves...meaning, being unpredictable.

Ninjas are masters of surprise afterall, to move in the shadow and attack the enemy with something he doesn´t expect.

So, he may have altered his body to become the perfect weapon...yes, just like Sasori from Naruto, Xanxus :lol:

As I´ve said...he doesn´t care what others think about him or what happens to him, as long as his dream comes true.
And if it means to bear the grudge of everyone, if it means to alter his body into a weapon, if it means to stand against everyone and everything...he will achieve his goal, with any means necessary.

He doesn´t care if someone insults him, he doesn´t care if someone insults Ieyasu, he doesn´t care if Ieyasu hates him for what he does, he doesn´t care if his allies and comrades are killed, he doesn´t care if he´s hurt or even killed...he has only one purpose and one goal. Nothing else.

He is not afraid to sacifrice, if he gains what he wants with it.
It may seem like he has no soul, like he´s a merciless and cold hearted demon, but in reality, he does it all to support Ieyasu and the dream both of them share. To have a land united in peace. And in his eyes, the only one able to do it, is Ieyasu.

It may seem like a bland character, but if played out right, he could become the most interesting character. I mean we allready have the obsessed fanboy/girl retainers - Yukimura, Mitsunari, Kasuga - but they all have a deeper meaning. Yukimura and Shingen are like father and son, Mitsunari idolizes Hideoyshi and Kasuga is in love with Kenshin.

To Hanzo, Ieyasu is just the perfect tool, to get what he wants. He doesn´t admire Ieyasu, nor does he idolize or love him. He´s just an irreplaceable part in his dream, a need to achieve his goal. And he´ll support him in any way necessary, if he has to.

He knows that Ieyasu isn´t the perfect tool he wants him to be and that´s why he has to help and protect him from the shadows. And if Ieyasu doesn´t move as he wants him to, because his personality doesn´t allow for such means, Hanzo just has to act on his own and "force him into action". Even if it means to break old bonds and hurt Ieyasu´s allies...

Also, I allready have a good explanation how Hanzo found Ieyasu...maybe Hanzo was one of the Ninjas that kidnapped Ieyasu in Tadakatu´s story :lol: ... :mellow: ...let´s better not warm up old things, that should´ve been forgotten :ph43r:

+ I´m with you Quelis...no horses. I didn´t need them in DK, SB1, SB2, SB2:H and SBBH...why should we need them now?
isnt hanbei obssesed/fanboy with hideyoshi too

and that hanzo sounds so cool but i would like him to have a little personality and feelings for ieyasu then that would be the perfect hanzo (well in my eyes :D )
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Capcom seems bent on not using Ieyasu for some reason....so if there's someone who supports the Tokugawa from the shadows (and I'm pretty sure there will be, as Koba stated that the "Tokugawa" crushed Shikoku) I hope that we'll see Takatora...

We need someone to stand on even ground against Yoshitsugu (I just can't see Tadakatsu facing him, he could go against Sakon maybe), so I think Takatora would be just perfect for that. Or maybe I just like too much his Saihai no Yukue portrayal...

Anyway, I hope that as Kanbei will talk about Hanbei (and probably Hideyoshi too) Maggie will speak fondly of her former master, Kennyo-sama <3
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Capcom seems bent on not using Ieyasu for some reason....so if there's someone who supports the Tokugawa from the shadows (and I'm pretty sure there will be, as Koba stated that the "Tokugawa" crushed Shikoku) I hope that we'll see Takatora...

We need someone to stand on even ground against Yoshitsugu (I just can't see Tadakatsu facing him, he could go against Sakon maybe), so I think Takatora would be just perfect for that. Or maybe I just like too much his Saihai no Yukue portrayal...

Anyway, I hope that as Kanbei will talk about Hanbei (and probably Hideyoshi too) Maggie will speak fondly of her former master, Kennyo-sama <3
Todo-kun! :heart:

HE CAN USE PUPPETS SINCE HE LOVED DESIGNING! I DON'T REALLY GET THE CONNECTION THERE MYSELF BUT I REMEMBER HE LOVED DESIGNING CASTLES AND THE FIRST THING IN MY HEAD WAS PUPPETS! YES!

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:mellow: I've calmed down now.... yes I really want puppets in this game. Don't judge me.

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So, he may have altered his body to become the perfect weapon...yes, just like Sasori from Naruto, Xanxus

:heart: *has name changed*

Hmm, I'm still not entirely convinced that T&I will even be getting a third retianer, but I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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Hm, I like the description you give DK but at the same time doesn't that Hanzo sound pretty similar to Yoshitsugu? From what I've gathered Yoshi is only interested in seeing as much pain and suffering as possible before perishing(his dream) and Mitsunari is obviously the most aggressive of the warring factors at the moment or at least the one who will give him the largest freedom to maim and slaughter(means to an end). See what I mean? I like the basics of your Hanzo but I feel that he needs to be tweaked a bit in order to really stand out as a character.

If Ieyasu was to get a second retainer, that means that Mitsunari should get a second retainer as well to balance it out right? Well, I guess it's not a complete given, but still. In that case who would you like take that spot as the second Ishida retainer? I'd like to see Sakon personally.
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About Tsuruhime....why they have to put that seiyuu...i still not get that Kallen(of Code Geass) have this"GENKI" voice...

Well...i hope that Aniki have his older self a little...
I hope you have watched School Rumble. If you think Tsuruhime like Tenma Tsukamoto, that'd be a much more ease (she ironically dressed up like a miko and wields a bow. Just like Tsuru). In fact, I'd say School Rumble was my first exposure to Koshimizu Ami's voice.

I don't mean to be sarcastic, but just due to Code Geass' popularity, don't always link Koshimizu Ami to her Kallen role (and even she bounces back from being mild-mannered to badass in that one role). She's had her share with roles of genki, shy or even psychotic. Kallen might be the most popular, but shouldn't be the one role that is her stereotype, she's not yet reaching the level of Wakamoto Norio in terms of being 'pigeonholed and awesome' (she's not yet pigeonholed... and she's STILL awesome)


That's Not what i mean.....i know her other roles as a Seiyuu, and i like her,Kallen,Anemone and Yukiko are the ones I like more over the rest...I respect her..it was just a Personal Comment


And Norio...well he is just Awesome...I gonna mis him as Nobunaga... :sad:
Edited by Jonathan Joestar, Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:25 pm.
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@DK:dororo herself doesnt have mech parts,it was hyakkimaru,of the dororo anime/manga/movei/game title>.<

@darkmantis:nope,hanbei is not hideyoshi's fanboy,in fact,hideyoshi is more clingy to hanbei that he is to hideyoshi,they admire each other if i have to say so,unlike mitsunari.....which probably dresses himself like hanbei in order to get hideyoshi's attention(that is if hanbei dies before hideyoshi kicks the bucket in SB verse)

@BK:nice banner,i always thought his name was better spelled as lang zi long,since he always spouted "lang zi says"(a parody of lao zi?) all the time,plus it could be a shout out to sangoku's zhao yun(zhao zilong),but hey,US translations rocks!>.<

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Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:32 pm
@BK:nice banner,i always thought his name was better spelled as lang zi long,since he always spouted "lang zi says"(a parody of lao zi?) all the time,plus it could be a shout out to sangoku's zhao yun(zhao zilong),but hey,US translations rocks!>.<
Thanks, but just FYI, the kanji for Lang Shilong is 狼士龍, while for Lang Zi it's 狼子. The 子 kanji is also used in Lao Zi and Sun Zi after all. :)

And Zhao Zilong is 趙子龍.

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Wow, I agree with wodash, that's a badass banner of probably the most badass character of a....great game!

I loved the scene where he and his assistant posed together....until the last chapter at least....(gonna stop here to not go too OT or flame that b*****)

Anyway, back on topic...judging from the hints we have, this is what we could expect from the next update:


Maeda Toshiie and Matsu (their presence was announced at the last event and they were mentioned in Keiji's profile too)

Mogami Yoshiaki (mr. Shiratori's spoiler, Dewa was mentioned in the manga)

an Amago character/retainer? (the Amago clan flag was spotted in the latest PV. Amago Tsunehisa? Haruhisa? Yamanaka Shikanosuke?)

a Satake character? (there is a stage icon in what appears to be Satake domain. Probably Yoshishige (IIRC))

Hojo Ujimasa/Fuuma Kotaro? (There is a stage icon in Odawara's premises)

Ukita Hideie? (There is a stage icon around Okayama)


That's what I remember off the top of my head...anyone has anything to add?
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Honestly, it is rather weird to see the Hojo this time, considering Ieyasu ruled Kanto during Sekigahara. Maybe Ujimasa surrendered to Ieyasu?

As for the Amago, Tsunehisa might be more interesting than his grandson Haruhisa. He was allied with Motonari in the 1520s and help him in his raise. Heck, he was the reason Motonari met his wife. I don't really care which lord, though.
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