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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,186 Views)
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Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:41 pm
Jonathan Joestar
Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:31 pm
Any chances that the other characters are Unlokables??? pretty much in the SB2????
Of course. It'll always be like that. Sis you think we'd have everyone from the beginning?
I was saying more likeyou beat the game and "Surprise" you got this character, that nobody knows that was in the game...
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It would be great if they did such a thing. Especially with Matsunaga or a totally new, totally out of this world character (Ashikaga Yoshiteru? Otomo Sorin? William Adams aka Willy? lol)

I can't wait for the next characters batch.....my hands itch with lust!!! Ahem....
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Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:45 pm
It would be great if they did such a thing. Especially with Matsunaga or a totally new, totally out of this world character (Ashikaga Yoshiteru? Otomo Sorin? William Adams aka Willy? lol)

I can't wait for the next characters batch.....my hands itch with lust!!! Ahem....
that would be so awsome if that happend and i would like all the removed characters to be a special DLC or unlockable that would be cool too
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It won't happen, but imagine how many heads would rolls if all the removed / NPC'd characters got unlocked, for free / conquest mode only, upon 100%ing all the story modes.
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First things first, sorry for my double post, I meant to edit it and must have hit the wrong button or something.

Gakupo,

I got the idea that some people said it wouldn't work because there was a topic about cameos and everyone hated the idea and said that BASARA needs to "fly on it's own wings".

I forget who it was, but someone said that Masamune could have Dante as an alternate costume. THIS THIS THIS. THIS WOULD BE THE MOST AMAZING THAT HAPPENED. It even makes it better because Masamune is on the East and Mitsunari is on the West, which means it would look pretty DAMN AWESOME WHEN THE FIGHT EACHOTHER. Don't really know how that would happen in story mode though.....but there's tournament!

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I'm crossing my fingers for Gracia's reveal. PLEASE, Koba! Make me happy! :D
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As long as her outfit isn't perfectly ridiculous like SW, I certainly want her to be included ^_^

But there's simply no telling who will be appearing next. I remember someone said that Toshiie and Matsu were a good bet as they had been mentioned on the website. We've known about Yoshaiki for ages so there is no reason for him not to be revealed now (especially since he was mentioned in the new manga), and Hayami Shou said something about him "evolving", which could mean any number of things, though the general thought seems to be that Garasha will make an appearance. Then on top of that there's Musashi and Kojiro, and all the other returning characters.

There's also the fact that we don't have very many characters relevant to Sekigahara. I'd prefer they were revealed first, just to put my mind at ease. I mean, they can't make a big deal about this being a "Sekigahara-centric game" and not include vital participants such as Shima Sakon, Ukita Hideie, Kikkawa Hiroie or Kobayakawa Hideaki. I also think Kato Kiyomasa would be a nice addition to the Tokugawa forces.

If we assume we'll be getting three new characters and two NPCs, then I have a feeling that Toshiie and Matsu will be the NPCs (honestly I don't want them to be, I really hope I'm proved wrong but this is what I think), but I honestly have no idea who they'll choose to reveal.
Edited by murakumo, Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:26 pm.
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As long as her outfit isn't perfectly ridiculous like SW, I certainly want her to be included ^_^

But there's simply no telling who will be appearing next. I remember someone said that Toshiie and Matsu were a good bet as they had been mentioned on the website. We've known about Yoshaiki for ages so there is no reason for him not to be revealed now (especially since he was mentioned in the new manga), and Hayami Shou said something about him "evolving", which could mean any number of things, though the general thought seems to be that Garasha will make an appearance. Then on top of that there's Musashi and Kojiro, and all the other returning characters.

There's also the fact that we don't have very many characters relevant to Sekigahara. I'd prefer they were revealed first, just to put my mind at ease. I mean, they can't make a big deal about this being a "Sekigahara-centric game" and not include vital participants such as Shima Sakon, Ukita Hideie, Kikkawa Hiroie or Kobayakawa Hideaki. I also think Kato Kiyomasa would be a nice addition to the Tokugawa forces.

If we assume we'll be getting three new characters and two NPCs, then I have a feeling that Toshiie and Matsu will be the NPCs (honestly I don't want them to be, I really hope I'm proved wrong but this is what I think), but I honestly have no idea who they'll choose to reveal.
i agree with kiyomasa being included ive always wanted him in he was in sekigahara and was a great addition to SW now i want to see how he will look in SB(i think a tiger theme would be awsome)

ok lets see these are the new characters who appeared in sekigahara:

kanbei kuroda
yoshitsuga otani
mitsunari ishida


id say about 4 or 5 more new characters that appeared in sekigahara would be fine and the rest non related to sekigahara like gracia,and hanzo
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Honestly, I rather think Kanbei needs a partner. One man I'm thinking of is Goto Matabei. The reason is that we already see Kanbei-Kiyomasa duo as well as Kanbei-Nagamasa duo by Koei. Now that Nagamasa is out of question, I rather say Matabei should fill the role of Kanbei's companion.
Edited by Kiheiji, Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:16 pm.
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I really think that Musashi and Kojiro need to be confirmed, NOW. How could the most famous duel in Samurai history, just be SKIPPED. And it had to do with Sekigahara too, so, why not?

But I do think that the other people that revolved around Sekigahara need to be included too, because this a game revolving around Sekigahara.
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I hope Gracia gets in.
I honestly think her personality could fit SB better than SW.
I say this because they only really seem to have characters that have heavy involvement in the story by themselves rather than making them share the limelight as much as SW does.

I also hope Itsuki is included again.
I mean come on, a little girl with a massive mallet is simply WIN.
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Well, not exactly, xXBBXx.

April 13, 1612 was the day of Kojiro´s and Musashi´s battle.
So Sekigahara was a story of the long past at that point.

I don´t know if Kojiro took part in it, but as far as I know, Musashi fought on the western side in the battle of Sekigahara, but as we all know, that side lost and he fled, just like many others. This caused him to hide for some time and train...so it was actually one the main reason for him to change his ways and become what he is now known as today.

Also, it seems Musashi even took part in the siege of Fushimi castle, were Torii Mototada, Ieyasu´s best friend and loyal retainer, sacrificed himself to stall time for Ieyasu to gather the troops needed to battle Mitsunari.

So Musashi definietly has a reason to be in, even more than in SB2.
And since Kojiro is mostly known for his duel with Musashi it would be stupid to not have him in, given that BASARA is mostly about different rivalries and "bonds" (even though he was a great swordsman himself and has had some great achievements himself, though they are all overshadowed, as I said, by the duel with Musashi)

Also SW3 cut Musashi and Kojiro...would be nice to have at least one next generation Sengoku game with the epic swordsmen in it.

Now that I meantioned it...they cut Musashi, Kojiro and Gracia in SW3...would be funny if Musashi´s back as a "full playable character", alongside the newly added Kojiro and Gracia :XD
So as to say:"Don´t want them? Well then we´ll add them!"

@Koen:

Yeah, that´s what I thought all the time. Adding Tsuruhime is nice and all, but damn, SHE`S NO USE.

Where are great and important personas like Todo Takatora, Ukita Hideie, Hoskawa Tadaoki and Kobayakawa Hideaki?

I mean if Gracia is in under the name of Hosokawa Gracia, we´ll have to accept it that she´s the represantion of the Hosokawa clan, instead of Tadaoki, just like Motonari´s for the Mori and Toshiie/Matsu for the Maeda.

But there would be no excuse to leave out the Todo, Ukita and Kobayakawa in a game about Sekigahara.

At a sidenote, even though Shima Sakon took part in the battle, I have to admit, that I really think, he´s a more than overrated officer. I mean he´s like Sir Daniel Fortesque from the game Medievil. Riding out and getting shot as one of the first and than fall because of the received wounds.

If a person like Torii Mototada isn´t in SB3, then someone like Shima Sakon has no right to be in there either. :mellow:
(sorry if I offended someone with that statement, any person brave enough to fight and die for ones lord, has the right to be honored, but overall Shima Sakon is more than overrated in my eyes.)

Also I just found out the the Heroes and Villains series of BBC, a one hour documentation series (with a bit of drama to keep the viewers interested) of the most famous men in history like Attila The Hun, Napoleon, Richard the Lion Heart, Spartacus, Hernan Cortes.

The last one of the series is the Shogun, known as Tokugawa Ieyasu. He might not really look like he´s supposed to, but that´s allmost never the case in documentations. Also some things seem to be overdramatized, but it´s actually a quite accurate and interesting documentation and it starts with the death of Hideyoshi and ends with the death of Mitsunari, so it captures the timeline of the Sengoku BASARA 3 setting. Of course it´s all kept to the minimum, so Uesugi Kagekatsu´s rebellion is just called "the rebels of the east" and besides Fushimi castles non of the others sieges are looked at closer, but they got the most important things that lead to Sekigahara.

So if anyone´s interested, here´s the first part:

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yep,kojiro and musashi's fame started AFTER the sengoku era has ended,where tokugawa already ruled japan,his time does not offer much "hype" aside from his duels with different people,and the game would be "musashi BASARA" if that continues...and after that the next game would be "bakumatsu BASARA",with famous vigilantes,political figures(sakamoto ryoma,takamori saigo,etc.),shinsengumi members,and even more foreign invaders.......

which is why KOEI cut them from SW3 perhaps,they're too "modern" for the sengoku era,even if they bring them back for XL the story would be just some random crap that ended with their duel on ganryuujima,even SB musashi does that in his own way on SBBH.....

@DK:hey,i have that drama series on DVD>.<
Edited by wodash, Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:43 am.
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@ DK:

you're right about Tsuruhime's lack of importance as far as Sekigahara is concerned (even though she's very welcome imho, since I don't like this serious business, and wish Basara'd go back to its "dumbassedly over the top action", honestly) but it seems they are trying to represent as many areas as Japan as possible this time.

That's why we have a character per army, imo: they want to spread them as wide as they can. And the Iyo province (as Seraphil stated pages back) doesn't really have much to offer.

This is probably the reason why we have Magoichi (Kii), Yoshiaki (Dewa), Kanbei (northeast Kyushu) and we will probably see Amago (northern Chugoku) and Satake (Kouzuke, was it?) representatives.


After all, there are SO many interesting personalities in the Sengoku era...I'd give several limbs to see Otomo Sorin, Ryuzoji Takanobu or Ouchi Yoshitaka, but I think we have to resign ourselves man, because we're never going to be satisfied like this.

Let's just hope to see interesting characters, no matter who they are...and we'll probably be happy!




Anyway, there was an interview on Dengeki Maou with Koba and another producer (Yamasomething?) about Kurokan and Tsuruhime. Main points:


Kurokan is with the west, as he was a Toyotomi subordinate before. His handcuffs play a pretty big role in the story. He's treated as the lowest rung of the ladder in the western coalition, and is used as a tool by 'nari and Yoshi (NDY note: meh. reserving judgment. Kurokan is probably my fave until now, they can't ruin him even with such a setting. I feel it.)

Tsuruhime is a beginner in the Sengoku world, and even if she has no direct connections to Sekigahara she gets caught up in the conflict because of other generals' schemes. Her relationship with Motochika is described as "the ditzy student representative and the school's gang boss" (Yankee-kun and megane-chan?). Motonari is "a strange green guy". (NDY note: she's gonna be fun, this crane girl)
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after that the next game would be "bakumatsu BASARA",with famous vigilantes,political figures(sakamoto ryoma,takamori saigo,etc.),shinsengumi members,and even more foreign invaders.......
Aww, see? Now, I'd personally LOVE IT if a game like that was made.

The Bakumatsu Roman period is one that I think is ripe for making a game upon. It's basically a sort of tragic story, as you see the old traditions giving way to the modernization of the West, and swordsmen struggling to not go out quietly. Which, of course, would make a good "conflict" unto itself. ^_^

One of the reasons SNK's "Gekki no Kenshi" (aka "Last Blade") series is one of my fave fighting games, was definitely because of its setting. We got away from the usual feudal/Sengoku stuff, and went for something much more interesting.

If Capcom, Koei, or hell, ANY ONE, would just take up the cause of making a nice brawler/hack-n-slash based on the time frame, and just put their own "twist" on it, consider me interested.

Hell, SNK? As long as you're not seemingly interested in making a new LB fighting game, maybe a Musou-like would be just what the doctor ordered... :heart:
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This year the Taiga drama is even based on Ryoma...seeing a Bakumatsu Musou game wouldn't be far-fetched at all.

My only worry is that its fujoshi potential is 100 times worse than the Sengoku period....I'm afraid we see a cast so full of prettyboys that it'd make even the hardest fanboy sick....there are even less prominent females during the Bakumatsu....
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Oh yeah, a Bakumatsu hack & slash game would be off the hook.

Honestly, I don't see the Shinsengumi to be full of pretty boys (and I don't expect Takamori to be one). I actually see Ryoma and Isami as the coverboys (think Masamune and Yukimura in Basara).

As for the woman's department, we might see Narasaki Ryo, Yamamoto Yaeko, and Ryoma's sister (forget her name). Not too worry about fujoshis.

And back in Basara 3, I'm thinking one lady for Tokugawa and one for Ishida. For Tokugawa, I'm thinking Okatsu. For Ishida, Chacha.
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Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:04 am
This year the Taiga drama is even based on Ryoma...seeing a Bakumatsu Musou game wouldn't be far-fetched at all.

My only worry is that its fujoshi potential is 100 times worse than the Sengoku period....I'm afraid we see a cast so full of prettyboys that it'd make even the hardest fanboy sick....there are even less prominent females during the Bakumatsu....
Really, now? If so, hopefully that's the case! Koei needs more series to broaden their repertoire.

More fujoshi material, you say? Well, at least to me, such a thing would be a SMALL price to pay, if it meant for two main things:

1) A break from the usual Sengoku thing, and
2) The chance to be able to have even more interesting twists, since we have a new time frame to play around with.

I mean, I understand that the Japanese are prone to a love to see the same stories over and over again. But even so! Breaking away from the days of Nobunaga and dem, and embracing the newness that comes from the Bakumatsu would just grant Koei more chances to flex themselves.

Besides, if it meant basically having more bad-ass males to the tune of Kaede, Amano, Kagami and Moriya from Last Blade, I wouldn't mind so much. I LIKE those kinds of pretty boys, because at least they've got dynamic personalities, character faults and **** to go along with those dashing good looks. :hehe:
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DK,

I knew that their battle wasn't really around Sekigahara, but Sekigahara was the whole reason that he is known like he is today, is because, as you said, he fled from Sekigahara, and trained for a long while. I do see what you mean by saying that they are too "modern". But, he was the greatest SAMURAI in Japan, and that was the most famous SAMURAI duel in Japan, and this is based on the SAMURAI era.

So, that's why I think him and Kojiro should be in, more than anybody, as long as the people that revolved more around Sekigahara, are in first. But, if Musashi is in, than he needs to be redone, like Ieyasu, because he is older by this time, and I don't think the greatest samurai in Japan needs to be depicted by living under a rock. Also, if he's in I would personally like him to have his first few weapons as wooden, the next few as real swords, and the final one as some wickedly awesome BASARA like swords to top it off.
Edited by Flashbang Incentive, Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:56 pm.
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Wait, wait, wait...what the?

So:

Eastern army:

Tokugawa Ieyasu
Honda Tadakatsu
Date Masamune
Katakura Kojuuro
Saika Magoichi
Tsuruhime

Western army:

Ishida Mitsunari
Otani Yoshitsugu
Kuroda Kanbei
Sanada Yukimura
Sarutobi Sasuke
Mori Motonari
Chosokabe Motochika
Shimazu Yoshihiro (probably wonna take on Tadakatsu and some other stuff)

Unknown: Maeda Keiji

So...the eastern army, the one that´ll fight the "Sekigahara battle", consists now of a female marksman that never set ground on Sekigahara, a school girl that could be older than Nobunaga, a one eyed dragon and his retainer that should be fighting the Uesugi seemingly led by Maeda Uesugi Keiji and thankfully one who hasn´t had much fighting in Sekigahara, since he was allways at Ieyasu´s side and the Shogun himself.

Did I forget something?

The Ishida, Otani, Mori, Chosokabe, Sanada, Shimazu, meaning most of the most important clans are allready represented for the western army...now even the Kuroda, even though Kanbei´s son, Nagamasa, was the one that wanted Mitsunari´s head the most, is fighting for them? (even though he´s being used...)

And the eastern army? Those were the ones who were noted to have been the "main heads" of the eastern army who actually were present at Sekigahara:

Tokugawa Ieyasu, Honda Tadakatsu, Hosokawa Tadaoki, Ii Naomasa, Matsudaira Tadayoshi, Tsutsui Sadatsugu, Arima Toyouji, Asano Yukinaga, Fukushima Masanori, Ikeda Terumasa, Ikoma Kazumasa, Kanamori Nagachika, Kato Yoshiaki, Kuroda Nagamasa(wrong side), Oda Yuraku, Tanaka Yoshimasa, Terazawa Hirotaka, Todo Takatora, Yamanouichi Kazutoyo, Yoshida Shigekatsu.

On the other hand, the western army: (traitor or not)

Ishida Mitsunari, Shima Sakon, Gamo Bitchu, Akaza Naoyasu, Chosokabe Morichika, Kikkawa Hiroie, Mori Hidemoto, Ankokuji Ekei, Kobayakawa Hideaki, Konishi Yukinaga, Kuchiki Mototsuna, Natsuka Masaie, Ogawa Suketada, Otani Yoshitsugu, Otani Yoshikatsu, Kinoshita Yorichika, Shimazu Yoshihiro, Shimazu Toyohisa, Toda Shigemasa, Hiratsuka Tameshiro, Ukita Hideie, Wakizaka Yasuharo, Sanada Masayuki, Sanada Yukimura.

So a lot of the western clans/officers are allready represented through BASARA characters. Again, they even got a big piece of the eastern army in form of the Kuroda.

And the eastern army? It seems they had to include the Tokugawa and their most loyal clan, just so they can say, hey, we have an eastern army. Of course Masamune counts too, as well as Yoshiaki, but those weren´t part of Sekigahara.

Again, because of all those seriousness and the Sekigahara setting a lot of my favourites had to go (don´t have to remind you, but: Hideyoshi, Hanbei, Nagamasa, Mitsuhide, Nobunaga) just so, again, we can have a SERIOUS and at least a bit ACCURATE setting.

Kobayashi, you were the one who decided it, so don´t let me down. The eastern army now is a joke. It´s still early to make something like that, but it´s just to show, that we really LACK some eastern love.

There´s still time. But since we know that someone like Ii Naomasa is a generic NPC...someone whose called the "Red Devil" and who leads the "Red Devils", who had a more than outstanding helmet and was a hot-headed fighting machine...so, in short, someone whose history records allready sound like someone whose been created as a BASARA character....and now that the Kuroda changed sides...I have little hope left. :mellow:

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Well, Musashi was the greatest swordsman, but I don't think he was the greatest samurai in general.

I hope Kanbei change his mind in the last seconds and whack Mitsunari. If not, I will riot.

I mean, I know this is Basara but, come on........

Seems like my dreams for Matabei is shattered.
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Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:19 pm
Well, Musashi was the greatest swordsman, but I don't think he was the greatest samurai in general.

I hope Kanbei change his mind in the last seconds and whack Mitsunari. If not, I will riot.

I mean, I know this is Basara but, come on........

Seems like my dreams for Matabei is shattered.
i still want matabei too be in but i really dont know anything about him but his appearance in kessen was cool he looked beastly

does anyone have any info on matabei?
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People, this time we have branching stories for a reason. Initial settings don't matter much....

Kanbei is an ambition machine, no matter where he goes he's gonna try to take the country for himself (and probably fail, considering his bad luck)

Still a couple days until April....let's hope for good and fast news, this thread is heavy with complaints lately.....
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@DMT:

http://wiki.samurai-archives.com/index.php?title=Goto_Mototsugu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Got%C5%8D_Mototsugu

Well, at least I could hope. Still, moar Eastern Army, plz!
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Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:38 pm
People, this time we have branching stories for a reason. Initial settings don't matter much....

Kanbei is an ambition machine, no matter where he goes he's gonna try to take the country for himself (and probably fail, considering his bad luck)

Still a couple days until April....let's hope for good and fast news, this thread is heavy with complaints lately.....
This.

Branching paths holds a lot of interesting potential, including double crossing, strange team ups, history making/breaking, etc.

We may get our own choice as to whether we want to revolt or stay the course with the initial army we start with. Or maybe the story itself accounts for Kanbei changing sides and the branching paths involve other things.

Anyway, is everyone even confident this week is definitely the week? I still don't think anyone has seen the list of what's in next week's Famitsu, and there is the possibility that we won't see anything until Motochika's video at least...

Then again, there is a hole this week where new characters would make a lot of sense, prepping for next week's video of Motochika (hopefully) fighting someone new...
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