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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
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Divine Justice
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Anyway I'm not so sure why anyone here would buy a PS3 given it's just like the old xbox (mostly sports & shooters)


While that may have been true at the beginning, that's certainly not the case anymore.

Between games like Tales of Vesperia, inFamous, Valkyria Chronicles, Demons Souls, MGS4, LBP, etc. Aside from a handful of jrpg titles, the 360's only bigname exclusives are shooters.

It's true though, we really need an official confirmation on this. Just to be sure. Hopefully this week will finally give those two silhouettes.
Edited by Divine Justice, Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:01 am.
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I knew Japan didn't like the original Xbox, but thought it was because the games weren't "japanese". Now that the 360 has all the j-games I thought it was favored by them second to the wii. Now I know Japan's racisism! oh well, I'm still buying their games! :P


Maybe I worded it incorrectly, but in any case...it's not so much "racism", as it is "ultra-naturalism" to the fanatical degree.

Basically, Japan's citizens are usually placed in a perpetual "WE DA BEST!" level of national pride. Hence the whole thing relating to "Nippon Ichi" (the saying, NOT the company), and why the whole "Sengoku Boom" is as big as it is. The "boom" celebrates the land, its people and its history. You can't get any better than that, if you're an average Japanese citizen.

So, again, it's not so much racism, so much that they like to think themselves so very highly of themselves, and thus will often do more to support "home-grown" brands than anything else. Comparably speaking, the United States is much worse off when it comes to racism and things of that nature...but that's for another topic. :hehe:

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Ok,, lmay19 japan may be VERY snooty with american brand against their own,, but they still hhave their own strong group of white washed japs who enjoy the 360 :cool: its no different then american,, who have ppl like us who are in the minority in liking jrpgs :whistle: :whistle:

Its all a bit vague now though,, the systens need bigger library of games

Too bad this is all there is to talk abt for now :lol: :lol:
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Regarding the Japanese and the lack of success of the gaijin box statement, do note that the ipod and iphone are very popular there despite being made by Apple.


Super nationalism isn't the only factor in product success. Plus its Japan. Most of the games the typical Japanese consumer wants are on the asian made platforms. Its partly why M$ is trying to get more titles to appeal to mainlanders though they're still failing at it for the most part.

also no one bother to try to jump me on my statement regarding M$ fail in asian markets cause I'm not gonna listen and I'm probably gonna miss your statement anyways cause of school and other work.
Edited by Daosiying, Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:14 am.
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It's still silly how they care so much about pride with an inanimate object. lol I get it.

HokutoNoBen, I guess it could be compared with the US's love of WW2 shooter games, part of its history.

Well, it's the start of the weekdays! Info info info =)
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Well, if you really want the Japanese Wii, then by all means, go for it.

But again, you could stand to save some money and time, if you go domestic, and then just go through the steps necessary to d/l some homebrew programs, which would effectively render your English Wii able to play Japanese games.

I've listed links in the last page or so. Check 'em out, if you will.
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Screwing around aside,Thanks for the great links HnB.I've heard of 'Homebrew' and always wanted to check it out.It does seem a bit complicated,but I'd be able to work my way around it if I still had my English Wii :hehe:
I sold it to my little cousin a while ago as it was collecting dust :/

But thanks anyway HnB :)

And as I said earlier,It'll be only if SB3 is Wii exclusive that'll push me towards getting one.
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I'm curious do you guys think we will see the returning characters get new outfit redesigns, tweaks to their moveset and maybe even a weapon change or two, or do you think will we get the returning characters exactly as is??
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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Well for Ieyasu, we pretty much all guess that he´s the left shadow on the SB3 site, and that strongly smells like revamped design, personality, weapon and thus moveset.

But my guess is we´ll see more than him.

Maybe Kennyo will get a new weapon and tweaked main outfit...I wouldn´t except too much weapon changes though.

They´ll surely tweak some moveset in terms of skills, but completely new weapons, considering the fact, that they have to add a lot of new characters and still have to fill out half-finished characters...

So outfits and moveset tweaks are there and one or two revamps, maybe.
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:53 pm.
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Well for Ieyasu, we pretty much all guess that he´s the left shadow on the SB3 site, and that strongly smells like revamped design, personality, weapon and thus moveset.

But my guess is we´ll see more than him.

Maybe Kennyo will get a new weapon and tweaked main outfit...I wouldn´t except too much weapon changes though.

They´ll surely tweak some moveset in terms of skills, but completely new weapons, considering the fact, that they have to add a lot of new characters and still have to fill out half-finished characters...

So outfits and moveset tweaks are there and one or two revamps, maybe.
The brutish guy on the left? i think thats either mitsunari or hideyori, due to his resemblance to hideyoshi. I personally think that ieyasu is neither. I hope his apperance is similar to what he has now, just have him a alot older, and with a new weapon and move set, a full move set :hehe: with his own BASARA!

He should have a double ended drill spear so that he is similar to Hondam. :lol:
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I dunno.
They really didn't change characters from SB to SB2 appearance wise.But I think thats what keeps it unique.
I mean Tsuchibayashi san isn't constently designing new outfits for 30+ characters and running out of idea's where as Koei keeps 'upgrading' the costumes in each installment and in my opinion,most of the characters look similar.

Now in BASARA,You have these great 'Anime-esque' designs and each character looks completly different from one another,plus we get REAL alternate outfits,not 'palette swaps' like the one's in SW and DW -_-

So I hope Capcom decides to work on the new characters designs instead of working on the old ones.I mean,why fix something when it's not broke?

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Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:26 pm
I dunno.
They really didn't change characters from SB to SB2 appearance wise.But I think thats what keeps it unique.
I mean Tsuchibayashi san isn't constently designing new outfits for 30+ characters and running out of idea's where as Koei keeps 'upgrading' the costumes in each installment and in my opinion,most of the characters look similar.

Now in BASARA,You have these great 'Anime-esque' designs and each character looks completly different from one another,plus we get REAL alternate outfits,not 'palette swaps' like the one's in SW and DW -_-

So I hope Capcom decides to work on the new characters designs instead of working on the old ones.I mean,why fix something when it's not broke?

Yeah I kinda think Capcom might keep them all the same (excluding the former NPCs who will get decloned certainly), I get the feeling they are trying to make these characters really iconic, like in Street Fighter where no one has changed for 10+ years and you know who everyone is just by looking at them.

Also I even though I am a huge 'Warriors' fan I must say I like the SB designs better in most cases (the awesome looking characters is what attracted me to SB in the first place), sure there a few, I'm not a big fan of (Nobunaga, Toshiie and Yoshimoto being the chief culprits) but on a whole I think the existing designs are very solid in SB.
Edited by DarkDante, Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:37 pm.
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Keep the costumes they have now...just get rid of the real palette swaps (the 3rd costumes) who work only for a handful of chars.

As for additions to characters...delete all cloned movesets and give full sets to everyone...that'd be a feat.


And the left guy is 150% Ieyasu. SB3 is all about Sekigahara, it wouldn't make sense to have someone other than Mitsunari and Ieyasu as cover chars...
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Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:34 pm
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I dunno.
They really didn't change characters from SB to SB2 appearance wise.But I think thats what keeps it unique.
I mean Tsuchibayashi san isn't constently designing new outfits for 30+ characters and running out of idea's where as Koei keeps 'upgrading' the costumes in each installment and in my opinion,most of the characters look similar.

Now in BASARA,You have these great 'Anime-esque' designs and each character looks completly different from one another,plus we get REAL alternate outfits,not 'palette swaps' like the one's in SW and DW -_-

So I hope Capcom decides to work on the new characters designs instead of working on the old ones.I mean,why fix something when it's not broke?

Yeah I kinda think Capcom might keep them all the same (excluding the former NPCs who will get decloned certainly), I get the feeling they are trying to make these characters really iconic, like in Street Fighter where no one has changed for 10+ years and you know who everyone is just by looking at them.

Also I even though I am a huge 'Warriors' fan I must say I like the SB designs better in most cases (the awesome looking characters is what attracted me to SB in the first place), sure there a few, I'm not a big fan of (Nobunaga, Toshiie and Yoshimoto being the chief culprits) but on a whole I think the existing designs are very solid in SB.
Aye,It was the character designs that first attracted me to Sengoku BASARA.Namely Motochika and Motonari.I mean a guy using a anchor as a weapon,how epic can you get :shifty:
I agree on keeping the characters 'Iconic' aswell.Street Fighter has been going for ages and hardly any of the characters have changed.This keeps the 'Old-school' fans familiar with the series and also creates room for more unique new characters to appear.

I'm just worried about one thing,I think it was Devilsking who brought it up.The 'Incomplete' characters in Heroes will surely get 'Upgraded' but will this take away precious time for creating new characters? :unsure:
Edited by Manta Punk, Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:10 pm.
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And the left guy is 150% Ieyasu. SB3 is all about Sekigahara, it wouldn't make sense to have someone other than Mitsunari and Ieyasu as cover chars...
Whos to say the guy on the right isn't ieyasu? or maybey neither of them are ieyasu... if anything the guy on the right looks more like Ieyasu to me. Besides, the guy on the left looks like he has something to do with hideyoshi, becuase his weapons look like fists and he looks slightly similar to him.
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:23 pm
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And the left guy is 150% Ieyasu. SB3 is all about Sekigahara, it wouldn't make sense to have someone other than Mitsunari and Ieyasu as cover chars...
Whos to say the guy on the right isn't ieyasu? or maybey neither of them are ieyasu... if anything the guy on the right looks more like Ieyasu to me. Besides, the guy on the left looks like he has something to do with hideyoshi, becuase his weapons look like fists and he looks slightly similar to him.
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I guess the thing around his neck, is just his helmet. He carries it around his neck, on his back, to remember him of his old times.

I mean just look at his breast-armour. The stomach-free armor, his legs/leg armor....even the shoes...it´s probably him. But you´re right nothing is sure. BK said, that he read somewhere, the creators said "We should think simple" or something like that. Well, the main battle is Sekigahara, the first two rulers of japan allready had their spotlight and the two leaders of the eastern and western army were Ieyasu and Mitsunari. So? What´s simpler than just one battle, two shadows, two leaders?

As for the right guy, he reminded me of a mix between Takenaka Hanbei and Cao Pi....that´s why my guess was and is Mitsunari.

And MP, that´s what I´m afraid of the most. That those "old" characters will take away, space for "new" ones.
In the first place, it´s CAPCOM´s fault for having so many NPC characters. The mistakes of the past, shouldn´t harm the success of the future. CAPCOM, KOEI has allready announced four new SW characters and there´ll be surely more.

Make a 40 character roster and it would be perfect for SB3. 9 characters plus Hisahide and a revamped Ieyasu...AWESOME.
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Hmmm I never seen a side by side comparision, but looking at it, it certainly does suggest that it is Ieyasu! But I wonder what has happened to his spear? maybe they took it away to prevent it from being so obvious, but he does have what look like blades on the end of his fists...
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And the left guy is 150% Ieyasu. SB3 is all about Sekigahara, it wouldn't make sense to have someone other than Mitsunari and Ieyasu as cover chars...
Whos to say the guy on the right isn't ieyasu? or maybey neither of them are ieyasu... if anything the guy on the right looks more like Ieyasu to me. Besides, the guy on the left looks like he has something to do with hideyoshi, becuase his weapons look like fists and he looks slightly similar to him.
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I guess the thing around his neck, is just his helmet. He carries it around his neck, on his back, to remember him of his old times.

I mean just look at his breast-armour. The stomach-free armor, his legs/leg armor....even the shoes...it´s probably him. But you´re right nothing is sure. BK said, that he read somewhere, the creators said "We should think simple" or something like that. Well, the main battle is Sekigahara, the first two rulers of japan allready had their spotlight and the two leaders of the eastern and western army were Ieyasu and Mitsunari. So? What´s simpler than just one battle, two shadows, two leaders?

As for the right guy, he reminded me of a mix between Takenaka Hanbei and Cao Pi....that´s why my guess was and is Mitsunari.

And MP, that´s what I´m afraid of the most. That those "old" characters will take away, space for "new" ones.
In the first place, it´s CAPCOM´s fault for having so many NPC characters. The mistakes of the past, shouldn´t harm the success of the future. CAPCOM, KOEI has allready announced four new SW characters and there´ll be surely more.

Make a 40 character roster and it would be perfect for SB3. 9 characters plus Hisahide and a revamped Ieyasu...AWESOME.
Maybey im being naive, but i just dont see it, its too much of a weapon change, and his weapon would be too similar to hideyoshi, and we aren't sure if its open-chest armour yet, it coud just be a short jacket that doesn't reach his waistline, either way, i dont see ieyasu in either of them, but preferably i like the guy on the right to be him rather than the left, either way, both are a bit too much of a change for him -_-
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One thing I do hope they add is the number of specials you can equip. I think you should at least be able to equip up to 3, since there are some characters that have 4/5 skills. I just think that 2 skills is too few.
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Well, the fans, wanted a complete change for Ieyasu(at least those who cared for the Tokugawa)

It´s not too much change. He just put his helmet away(or carries it on his back, like I suggested) and has a new weapon thus moveset.

I mean, we all have to admit, it´s hard to make a unique and cool moveset, for one of the rulers of japan, without making him look like a helpless baby with that kind of weapon(they looked in the direcation having a moveset were in every second skill Tadaktsu appears, even in his BASARA?) C´mon a rubber spear? Is that the great leader of the eastern army, using a wobbling spear?

It was often indicated that Iyeasu had a lot of power in his arms. In a lot of cutscenes, he´s giving the ground a really heavy punch. Also his weapons would be like claws, so it´s a mix between piercing, slicing and punching. Hideyoshi uses his feet too and a lot of grabs. So it would be nothing like Hideyoshi´s moveset.

And I agree with MasterofMusou.

After a certain level there should be another skill slot, just like the fourth item slot.
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And the left guy is 150% Ieyasu. SB3 is all about Sekigahara, it wouldn't make sense to have someone other than Mitsunari and Ieyasu as cover chars...
Whos to say the guy on the right isn't ieyasu? or maybey neither of them are ieyasu... if anything the guy on the right looks more like Ieyasu to me. Besides, the guy on the left looks like he has something to do with hideyoshi, becuase his weapons look like fists and he looks slightly similar to him.
Well, on some levels, I agree with ya.

At this time, beyond Ieyasu, the only other one I could imagine the person on the left being is Hideyori, the son of Hideyoshi.

Hideyori was definitely a center piece in the Sekigahara conflict (and the events that would follow), as well. After all, Ieyasu saw him as the main threat to his own ambitions, while Mitsunari saw him mostly as a nice "puppet" to exploit in wake of Hideyoshi's death. In any case, Hideyori's unfortunate presence during this whole "power vacuum" that ensued after his Dad died, was arguably the main cause of the Battle in the first place. Poor guy, and to think, he was supposed to be more of a "gentle sort"...

In any case, for the sake of BASARA-verse, Hideyori could make for a nice addition. His historical position is one thing (albeit he would have to have his age BS'd quite a bit, considering he was only supposed to be 7 at 1600), but his overall potential for BASARA is quite high, especially if he stands to serve as yet another possibly "gentle, yet kinda screwed up" personality in this world. :hehe:


Any way...more than character choices, I'm more interested in seeing what gameplay enhancements are in store. At best, I would like to see a whole re-working of the BASARA battle system. To "call it even", I would still dig it if a SB2-based battle system had more intricacies, to give it more in the way of depth.

I mean, if you look up various "Combo Vids" for SB2+H, you could see that users have found various interesting tricks to exploit (especially for Noh and Kotaro). I would only love to see that type of thing expanded on greatly...


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Sengoku BASARA 3 is in this week's Famitsu. Details not known yet. Will be updated as soon as they appear.

It's a PS3-Wii multi, just as I predicted! キタ━━━━(゚∀゚)━━━━!!
http://imepita.jp/20090818/527980
Edited by BlackKite, Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:43 am.
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It's too bad PS3 doesn't have much going for it to warrant a buy at this point.

guess a Wii it shall be this Xmas~!



What day do we get scans?
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That's predictable, since previous titles havent been released on 360.

edit: first pic

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Thank god.

About the PS3 getting it too. I'm not against a 360 release, even though it seems to not be the case.

Edit: That looks pretty good! :)
Not incredible, but I like the rendering of the faces. It gives it this 3D anime look, rather than either a realistic or cel-shaded look.
Edited by Spooky Electric, Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:55 am.
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Here's a sneak peek on the scans. Wonder if the silhouetted characters are in the first page.
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