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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| Manta Punk | Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:47 pm Post #4001 |
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Thats it, thats who Kobayicoward reminds me of! Little Takechiyo! Its like they practically used his model, gave him a red coat, and equipped him with giant cooking pot and a Kabuto helmet. Either Tsuchi got artist block when designing him, or he just hates his historic figure. I wish Hideaki got more than this. What a waste of a roster slot and a character with great story potential ![]() Also, while its great to have Oichi returning, part of me hoped she would join the NPC crowd. They stated this game would have the most females in the series, but why are they wasting it on women who didn't even participate during the time frame the game is aimed at? So far, with Tsuruhime and Oichi, who weren't around at Sekigahara, and Magoichi, who may not have been historically female, and Kasuga, who is fictional, it looks like they're struggling to find women for the roster, when there were plenty of them around the games setting to choose from, who'd devote more to the story than most of these... Why haven't we seen the likes of Gracia, Ginchiyo and Chacha, but instead, Tsuruhime!? Don't get me wrong, I like most, if not all, girls shown so far, but one of my favourites, Nagamasa, was cut for this setting, as were many other peoples. It just seems like it was all for naught and Koba's gone back on his word. Well, if your gonna add pre-Hideyoshi's death characters now Koba, theres no excuse for not adding Hisahide... If not, save a seat for me on the plane DK, I'm coming with ya!
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| Balder | Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:13 pm Post #4002 |
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![]() Yes, one could say I'm getting very mixed feelings towards this last update. Even though I'm thrilled to see Oichi (my 2nd favorite) return, part of me still wants to think this is a joke and the real update gets revealed Thursday. Oichi - as DarkDante mentioned, and it was probably the first thing I noticed as well, was the Oda crest besides, however, her armour still seems to have the Azai crest brooch. A little slip on the designers' part or perhaps there's some ulterior motive to it (the eternally optimistic me)? Tenkai - the benevolent monk is a psychopath with a Hannibal Lecter mask? And I was fearing they decided to tone down the comedy. Seems they did just the opposite. Cool design and all, but, at least visually, this is Mitsuhide 2P, not a different character. This is exactly the sort of thing that made me think Tsuchibayashi left the team! Koba - a pitiful shell of a scared bug. Reminds any of you of another Koba we might know? I honestly don't like the design (I guess that plays in his favor for being NPC) but I understand and sort of appreciate the visual motif they went for, as wodash mentioned before. Aaaaanyway... *grabs pitchfork* make room Manta Punk, I'm going too!
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| Ma Dai | Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:32 pm Post #4003 |
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Right General
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Kobayakawa is looking just as I had expected him to. I'm very glad that their portrayal of Oichi is making a PC return, though I am having mixed feelings about the hands as her main weapon. "Tenkai" is disappointing in regards to the fact that he's just an NPC. Hopefully they'll have Mitsuhide as a PC and "Tenkai" as a NPC. I would be fine with that. *Prays for a change of heart on Hanbei* |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:09 pm Post #4004 |
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Oh well, as devoted BASARA fans, we have to make the best out of it. First of all letīs do some math again: We now have fourteen playable characters: Tokugawa Ieyasu - Honda Tadakatsu - Ishida Mitsunari - Otani Yoshitsugu - Chosokabe Motochika - Mori Motonari - Date Masamune - Sanada Yukimura - Uesugi Keiji - Saika Magoichi - Kuroda Kanbei - Tsuruhime - Shimazu Yoshihiro - Oda/Azai Oich We have six NPCs: Uesugi Kenshin - Kasuga - Sarutobi Sasuke - Katakura Kojuuro - Tenkai aka Akechi Mitsuhide - Kobayakawa Hideaki So itīs a total of 20 characters at the moment. And Koba said something about a ?-ty HEROES roster. Now we have twenTY. But thatīs a bit pitifull. A thirTY characters roster would probably consist of 4 more NPCs and 6 playable characters. A fourTY characters roster would probably consist of 12-14 NPCS and 26-28 playables. So far of the old characters there are open: Matsunaga Hisahide - Fuma Kotaro - Maeda Matsu - Maeda Toshiie - Itsuki - Zabii - Hojo Ujimasa - Takeda Shingen - Kennyo - Miyamoto Musashi Out of those we know that Shingen is sick and only one character representation per clan, so Matsu or Toshiie is left not playable. Matsunaga Hisahide has been NPC the longest, so itīs time for him to appear and now that Tsuruhime and Oichi are in, thereīs no excuse for something like "he doesnīt fit in the timeline". Fuma Kotaro is the only hope left for a Ninja representation. Heīs got to be playable. Matsu is the more unique character and also one the favourite females (out of the few we had ). Iīd rather see Toshiie be a NPC and come back with an overworked unique moveset in the HEROES expansion.Miyamoto Musashi - whatīs the point of adding him and then cut him like KOEI did? They should give him a proper moveset and a rival like Sasaki Kojiro (who also has a huge fanbase, since those are the most famous swordsmen in the world) and everything is set. Kennyo is probably dead and if not heīs a NPC Same for Hojo Ujimasa, whoīs castle was taken over. Takeda Shingen is ill, so only a NPC spot might be reserved for him. Zabii and Itsuki are probably out cold. I donīt see how those should be playable now that the third fictional character is a NPC (Kasuga). So Zabii, Itsuki, Shingen, Ujimasa, Toshiie, Kennyo have the highest chance of getting the NPC card. Leaving Hisahide, Kotaro, Matsu, Musashi as playable characters. Giving us 6 further NPCs and 4 more playable characters. So the thirty HEROES roster is easily approached with those numbers, given that there is still Mogami Yoshiaki out there and some other characters. So the fourty HEROES roster becomes more and more likely. Since we have 14 playable characters now and 6 NPCs. 6 more in form of NPC Veterans and 4 playable ones. So thatīd mean weīd allready have 30 characters. Now that there is still Mogami Yoshiaki out there, the hint of an Amago representation, the noticable lack of Ukita Hideie (donīt turn him into a freaking NPC Koba ) an even more noticable lack of another Tokugawa retainer like Torii Mototada or Hanzo Hattori, some eastern officers like Hosokawa Tadaoki and Todo Takatora, Musashiīs rival Sasaki Kojiro (though I can see him getting stamped as just a new NPC ), popular characters like Tachibana Ginchiyo and Shima Sakon, etc. it would be easy for them to have that many characters. I mean, afterall, there would allready be 12 NPCs. 28 playable characters isnīt something oversized or impossible to ask for. Also letīs look at it that way. There will more than likely be a SUPER Sengoku BASARA 3 Heroes edition. And if we really have a 40 HEROES roster, add in the cut characters Nobunaga, Ranmaru, Noh, Yoshimoto, Hanbei, Hideyoshi, Nagamasa and possibly a new character (hopefully a playable Naoe Kanetsugu) + the playble versions of Kenshin, Kasuga, Sasuke, Kojuuro, Toshiie, Mitsuhide, Ujimasa, Kennyo, Zabii, Itsuki, Shingen, Hideaki itīd be a full 48 characters roster, playable in the expansion. Given that weīd not even have to wait a year for it, probably...itīs not that bad of a deal. Hopefully my prediction turns out right (afterall in my last math doing, I accounted for Oichi being playable...turned out right afterall) So roster most likely could look like this: Playable: Tokugawa Ieyasu - Ishida Mitsunari - Date Masamune - Sanada Yukimura Ōtani Yoshitsugu - Honda Tadakatsu - Chōsokabe Motochika - Mōri Motonari Saika Magoichi - Uesugi Keiji - Kuroda Kanbei - Shimazu Yoshihiro Tsuruhime - Oichi - Fuma Kotaro - Matsunaga Hisahide Matsu - Miyamoto Musashi - Ukita Hideie - Todo Takatora Yamanaka Shikanosuke or Amago Katsuhisa or Amago Yoshihisa Mogami Yoshiaki - Sasaki Kojiro - Hosokawa Tadaoki - Tachibana Ginchiyo Torii Mototada or Hattori Hanzo - Shima Sakon - Fukushima Masanori NPC: Uesugi Kenshin - Kasuga - Takeda Shingen - Sarutobi Sasuke Tenkai - Kobayakawa Hideaki aka Beetlechiyo - Zabii - Itsuki Katakura Kojuuro - Maeda Toshiie - Hojo Ujimasa - Kennyo Leading us to a total of 40 Sengoku BASARA HEROES. Of course thatīs just how it could look, but it looks possible, right?
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| Ouelis | Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:44 pm Post #4005 |
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Hm, yes it sounds possible. The math seems sound too. I hope that's how it's gonna turn out as well. Not only that but as you said, now that Oichi is in, there's literary no reason not to include Matsunaga as a PC. So, the next thing to look forward to is Aniki's video next week. Well, unless the site update tomorrow holds a special surprise for us I suppose. If I were to get my way, I'd like it if Mitsukai were the elaborate fool's joke. I can live with Kobayakawa being an NPC, but it just bugs me(no pun intended) that there's virtually no change between "Tenkai" and Mitsuhide. In fact, I don't even want to call him that! I mean come on, I can accept him continuing to use his scythes but make an effort to hide your identity. It just seems so lazy. Is Aniki's opponent next week be one of the newcomers? Does he have an in fighting any of them? Edited by Ouelis, Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:45 pm.
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| BlackKite | Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:02 pm Post #4006 |
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Wow, just wow. All of a sudden the atmosphere of this topic turned 180 degrees. ![]() But maybe it was also the right decision that I lowered my expectation level on SB3 when I heard how tedious the batch interval is plus I also have many other games to expect as well. So when this new info batch came I was able to accept it in a calmer manner. ![]() In any case, I won't be surprised if there are indeed only 19 playable characters here considering the interval and amount of contents in recent batches. I'm now more intrigued about how diverse the story branches will be for each characters.
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| Eni | Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:17 pm Post #4007 |
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Oh great new scans!...oh wait, Ichi...meh. But wait! Oh great Mitsuhide is back!...oh wait, Npc.................OH YES HIDEAKI!...Npc, wtf? I was honestly so hyped about new scans, still gotta love how Hideaki looks.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:23 pm Post #4008 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Thatīs also a possibility. Though 19 characters...then Kobaīs statement regarding the only 1/3 of the revealed charcters...oh. Maybe he meant that 1/3 for the time, 10 characters were revealed, NPCs included. Then the other thirds are the following 20 characters raising it to 30. Oh man. Thatīs a low number. Not to say pathetic. Also itīd mean weīd have 11 (!) NPCs. I mean...thatīs allmost as much as the total characters playable. Though, I hope I was right with my 40 HEROES guess... Anyways, if itīs really 19 characters, we allready know allmost all of the whole roster. With 14 character revealed and we know that Mogami Yoshiaki and a character under the Tokugawa who attacked Shikoku + one of the old veterans, probably Matsu, Hisahide, Koataro or Musashi. Wow...now that I see this. For Kobayashi claiming that heīll make a serious Sekigahara setting...without Ukita Hideie, Todo Takatora, Hosokawa Tadaoki, etc...and instead adding Tsuruhime, Oichi and turning Hideaki, Kanetsugu into NPCs...and you had to die for that "serious Sekigahara setting"? Oh, pained souls, of our fallen Heroes, the tears of despair must run down your dead, "break taking" bodies....Rest in Piece Nobunaga, Ranmaru, Noh, Nagamasa, Yoshimoto, Hideyoshi and Hanbei. P.S.: If it really turns out to be this scenario, then weīll have a real life Mitsunari in form of me CHASING DOWN KOBAYAAAASHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII And Iīm not alone. My army here, starts growing and growing...Raging japanese fangirls be my legs, fellow betrayed BASARA fans be my arms, we are going to slay the evil! In the name of justice! Instant death! Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:40 pm.
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| yashgupta_21 | Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:27 pm Post #4009 |
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YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OICHI'S BACK (though without the naginata)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Waiting for a possible updated version of the game, with more playables, and Oichi's naginata. |
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| murakumo | Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:31 pm Post #4010 |
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Aggh, I hate maths! But that sounds plausible, so I'll hope for the best. Seems Kobapii is counting on the fans being devoted enough to buy the HEROES expansion as well as the game itself and make even more profit. I'm pleased with the characters themselves, though throroughly disappointed that Hideaki and "Tenkai" are NPCs. I also really liked Oichi's previous weapon. But trust Basara to make a character who looks like a beetle and fights with a cooking pot. Now if only Yoshiaki is equipped with a giant pipe.. *picks up pitchfork* Right, shall we be off Devilsking? Edited by murakumo, Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:33 pm.
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| seralpha | Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:37 pm Post #4011 |
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More NPCs? Is that all you've got, Koba? At first you gave us 4 playable characters, and a silhoutte of the next ones to be revealed. Now, in the same year this game should come out, you give us just one PC (a old one) and two NPCs (one of them is just an alternate costume for another old character). Good job. Can i hope for the next update to be more meaningful? Such disappointment. I wonder if there is someone in capcom who's approving Koba's behavior. Doesn't he have someone who control him? |
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| Ouelis | Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:49 pm Post #4012 |
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Why you gotta be bringing me down BK? Why can't you just let me have my hope? Naw, I'm just kidding. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the final roster is around there as well. But after all, the important thing isn't the number of PC's but the quality of those PC's. The entire point is just that I have no real idea what's going to happen in the end with SB3. Don't get me wrong, it's still a day one purchase for me, but I feel like a need to step back and take a breath. Honestly, while it's true that I feel like we really should get some more love from Koba, I feel like a whiny b**** as well. It feels like the last couple of months have just been spent angrily venting about this whole affair, which certainly is needed from time to time, but I at least am tired of that. I'm just going to try and calm down about all this. After all, I'm still gonna play the game, and hopefully love it, so until then I'll cut Koba and his crew some slack.
I'm not defending Koba here, but we still don't know if the key players of Sekigahara will be making an appearance or not so don't jump the gun on that one. I understand the frustration over Tsuruhime being unveiled before more relevant characters but that still doesn't mean that they're not in there somewhere. I think it's still to early to be making the SB3 tombstone, in oppinion at least. I don't really want to be that guy, but why does everybody miss the cut characters so much? I agree that I lament the exclusion of Nagamasa, Hideyoshi and Hanbei but I've never liked the Oda gang. Especially the demon king himself. While Hideyoshi is a more dimensional character, with actual personality and motivations, Nobunaga is just so blatantly evil so it's just dull to me and it just seems generic and bland. I understand that I'm probably going to be publicly executed for saying this, but it's just my oppinion on the matter. Anyway, I've got other fish to fry while waiting for summer to roll by, so I'm feeling better about the update now. In any case, I'm looking forward to Aniki's video next week. Oh, also, big thanks to BK and NDY and everybody who translates info and puts up scans and such. Keep up the good work . |
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| Balder | Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:16 pm Post #4013 |
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Devilsking, Indeed your calculations are plausible but after seeing this "Tenkai", I think you should account the L Factor (Lazyness!). That said I'm actually seeing a possibility of Musashi not making it. I mean, he'll take as much work as a new character. Remember that every character's supposed to be as "complete" as possible and Mushashi needs a LOT of work. His only lines are practically just dropping the B-bomb, and let's not get started on the gameplay! Regardless of status, for returning characters my solid bet is on Matsu, Toshiie, Kotaro and Hisahide (these last two have sided in the past!). I won't be a hypocrite on this subject: I will buy the game, but I don't think I'll buy it twice. If this is as incomplete as we fear it will be, I'll wait for the expansion. If there won't be a expansion, I'll get this one and just make the most of it. Que sera, sera... Side note: anyone wonder how Oichi will change "weapons"? Pessimistically speculating, this could mean the characters won't have any more weapons besides their default one. It could also mean that elemental properties might have been removed. To "validate" my speculation as plausible, remember DMC4, a game sorely lacking in extras, in a series known for having a good amount of them. Ouelis, Nobunaga is voiced by Norio Wakamoto. That alone is reason for people to like him. But what you said isn't incorrect, Nobunaga's villainy is so over-the-top it borders on the ridiculous, which in a way, is what makes him the perfect villain for the series, that started as over-the-top and got progressively more serious with the new characters. And don't worry, the lynch mob is after Koba, so you're off the hook this time.
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| eklineage | Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:33 pm Post #4014 |
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Matsu and Ninjas... I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Who doesn't want to control a badass yet ideal house wife. Toshiie is a lucky bastard |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:51 pm Post #4015 |
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Iīm only waiting for the brain of the "get Koba"-plan, Hisahide, then we can fly over to japan Cause if he gets the "break thing" or the NPC stamp, heīs going to do it with a BANG! Also I LOVE Nobunaga. I love his sword shotgun mix, his evil cape, his "knight of darkness" armor, the way he talks, his voice actor and his damn fine evil laugh. I understand why some donīt like him and some call him bland, but I really love him. I love all of BASARAīs unifiers (now with the reworked Ieyasu) I gotta agree, having seen Magoichi, Nohs not much of a miss and Ranmaruīs "a bit annoying" character isnīt that much missed either, but Nobunaga, Nagamasa, Hanbei and Hideyoshi, heck even Yoshimoto are missed characters. (gonna miss the disco ball drop BASARA of Yoshimoto )Ouelis...you said itīs to soon to assume that they wonīt be in. Well...with 19 characters...ok, I just looked at the site, maybe thereīs place for 20 characters. But one more or less at the moment...man, thatīs the amount we had in Sengoku BASARA 2. No those were 21, even if it was just "two Skill Musashi", itīd beat BASARA 3 in that point. Whatīs the use of a "branching story paths"-mode, if you have to play the different paths with the same character? The gameplay wonīt change. Itīs the same thing, just with different surroundings. Itīs like having a Tekken game with different story paths. It doesnīt matter. Itīs still the same character youīll play as and the same freaking fighting mechanic. Also whatīs the use of "so many ways of playing the story" when youīll only experience them with the characters you like? I mean I know a lot whoīll ditch Tadakatsu, Yoshihiro, Tsuruhime, Kanbei, Yoshitsugu and others for their own reasons. So it shortens the gameplay variety even more. Quality over Quatnity, of course. But they couldīve easily given us both in those 3 years they had to work on BASARA 3. Tch...thatīd suck...ah, well, back to Ouelis: We allready have 14...leaving us with 5 or 6 left. But thereīs still Mogami Yoshiaki out there so itīs only 4 or 5. Veterans like Hisahide, Kotaro, Toshiie, Matsu, Musashi, Zabii, Itsuki, Ujimasa, Kennyo - whose future is unknown to us at the moment, leaving us only with speculations. Thereīs simply not much space left for Ukita Hideie, Hosokawa Tadaoki, Todo Takatora, Hattori Hanzo, Sasaki Kojiro and other speculated and wanted characters. Instead Tsuruhime got added. And god help Koba, if he intends to include Hideie or Takatora in form of NPCs, just like Hideaki. Really...heīd need godīs divine protection of every mythology or religion he can find... Thatīs why I know, that the wanted characters, probably get the ditch. Itīs just the thing, that Iīve waited 3 long years for one of my favourite things, ever, to continue and then I get a roster that I can count on my hands and feet. Didnīt they learn from KOEI that cutting the roster is a stupid idea? I mean, Iīll still enjoy the game, but the main point of the game is playing the same stages and fight against the same enemys as a variety of different characters. But if that variety is shortened to that extend...it leaves a crippled experience. EDIT: Just "undid" the mistake of saying Quatnity over Quality And changed Quelis into Ouelis...wrote it wrong the first time and then just copy pasted it
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| Ouelis | Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:08 pm Post #4016 |
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Well yeah, but that's a pretty weak argument I think. It's not like the website's design is cut in stone and cannot possibly be changed. Don't get me wrong DK, I completely understand your feelings on the whole issue. I just think there's still enough time for the rest of the key players to be revealed. I feel like such a zealot and an apologist for saying this, but I have a feeling we'll be satisfied with the roster in the end. Also, just a quick note, it's OUELIS not Quelis. Just saying. If we ignore the roster/characters issue for a moment, what do you guys think so far about the game in general? For example, the stage design, voice work, music and so forth? The reason I ask is because it seems that 90% of all the anger we have is character related. I know that the characters are the very heart and soul of Basara but still. Edited by Ouelis, Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:08 pm.
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| So Nyuh Shi Dae | Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:50 pm Post #4017 |
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Man I haven't posted here in so long. Anybody miss me? Of course you did. *Ahem* Well time to get my rant on Okay I don't know about you guys but I am ECSTATIC that Oichi is back. I have Always loved her and the way she has been portrayed in BASARA with her tragic story and whatnot. And I have to say, the dark arms seem even more cooler than the naginata. The screens looks like she can dish out some pretty quick and fancy attacks. Just the way I like it. And with Oichi back perhaps she can help Masamune. Whether she is in the East or the West side I can see her and Masamune feeling sympathy (and maybe something more *wink wink nudge nudge* ) for eachother. I've always loved the way their relationship is portrayed: They don't pity eachother yet they do. As if they are friends who grew up together but never really spoken a word to one another, in short a special bond. With her conversing with MitsuKai I wonder what he's plotting? Maybe that big guy in one of Oichi's scans could be Mogami Yoshiaki. Maybe Oichi is trying to get him to do something with Masamune's attitude. Or maybe he is telling her to set him straight. Oh the possibilities going through my head As for Mitsuhide. I think he needs to look up what a "disguise" is. They could have at least changed his haircolor to black (Seriously you could spot his hair from MILES away) or conceal his face completely with him looking only through one eye/bindings (Think DIZ/Ansem from Kingdom Hearts 2). And truth be told I think maybe he really has changed his ways. Why else would he go in disguise. the Akechi we know wouldn't give a rats a** if people hated him or knew he killed Nobunaga. Thats just not how he rolls. There MUST be something going on. As for Kobayacoward.........I hate him. his design,his weapon everything. I don't care if you thinks he's adorable or if making him a coward makes sense I.HATE.HIM. An amazing general with a beautiful (yet bloody).....made into a utter wimp. And with JUN FUKUYAMA as his Seiyuu. Koba F**ck you. On a better note with Oichi having dark hands as a weapon this heightens Matsu chance as a returning PC. Now with Matsu being the only one with a naginata her moveset might just have a bit of Oichi incorporated. Devilsking.MantaPunk.Koen. I'm with you. You three take your pitchforks, tie up Koba , and threaten him into giving us new info. Meanwhile,I'll be raiding his refrigerator. |
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| Claus | Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:58 pm Post #4018 |
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Thats the thing, look at his 'disguise' its so crappy its almost like he WANTS people to figure out who he is. O wait, that sounds right up his alley. And look who he hangs out with, The newly appointed dumbest character in the Basara-verse, Kobayakawa. Look at him, he's pathetic, Mitsuhide is probably playing games with him since historically he had a large army, Mitsuhide is just using that mask just to fool Hideaki, and nobody else. At least thats the impression i get. Mitsuhide better NOT be a changed man, he better make his NPC status worth it, and scream insane screams, say psychotic things, and be our delicious sadist.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:19 pm Post #4019 |
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Sorry about the typo, Ouelis, just copy and pasted the wrong typed name the second time As Iīve said, the game is superb so far. Though some of the earlier stages arenīt that stunning, the last ones, especially Motochikaīs crazy pirate adventure, have a certain touch to them. The problem is, the gameplay hasnīt changed. The only thing they added is the dashing and the slow motion gauge, which isnīt something never seen before. Of course, donīt fix, what isnīt broken (looks at God of War III, which hasnīt changed much either) So what adds a variety and something new to the gameplay is playing as different characters. The new characters havenīt become that much deeper, it may look like it, but NDY played it and itīs like before. So instead of having the promised "deeper" characters, we just have less characters. And that, in the end, affects the variety. Just imagine playing Dynasty Warriors and only have...oh...wait...they allready done it...just imagine playing DW5 and then play DW6. Much fun playing The Yellow Turban stage over and over again, with the same characters, right? Thatīs why I liked the DW series (before DW6). It didnīt matter to me, that theyīve never touched the gameplay. Instead they added new characters and worked on some of the old ones. Thatīs why I never grew tired of playing the Hu Lao gate for the 100th time (of course they changed the stages in each installment so they at least look different), since I did it with a different character and thus it felt different. Thatīs why itīs such an important point to a game like that. And if a vital point gets cut...itīs clear that itīll be followed by huge dissapointment. Also, so far and excuse me for saying that, NONE of the new characters, have appealed to me, to make me forget that Nobunaga, Hideyoshi, Nagamasa, Hanbei had to go, as well as justify the NPCfication of Kenshin, Kojuuro, Sasuke and now even Mitsuhide. I donīt know why, but Oichi, Kojuuro and Nagamasa, even though we allready saw them as NPCs, they were just so awesome, when I saw them in the HEROES trailer. I couldnīt wait to get my hands on them. And they delivered. Same as Hisahide. I just canīt wait to play as him. But I donīt have that same feeling with the new characters. Mitsunari, Magoichi just feel, like Iīve seen it before and Kanbei, Tsuruhime and Yoshitsugu werenīt bad but...they all miss something. I canīt point with a finger at it, but something is...missing. I mean I look at the new characters...even now, when I look at Hideaki...itīs like a lot have said: They miss colors. They miss their own vibes, their own feeling. Mitsunari and Ieyasu are the only exception, cause Mr. Revenge reminds me just so much of Hanbei and Ieyasu allways had his own touch. His honor/future of japan etc., that was allways his, hidden deep inside that small kidnapped ruler. But after the two main characters, when Yoshitsugu was revealed, there were the first complaints...and it got worse with every new character. Maybe thatīll change when I play the game...itīs not that they are bad or something like that...itīs just...again, everytime I saw the characters trailer and thus saw the new characters, I couldnīt wait to play as them. Now I just want to play BASARA 3 to get my hands on the likes of Motonari, Motochika, Ieyasu and the hopefully added Matsu, Kotaro and Hisahide. And Iīm not the only one who feels like that, right? I mean what was it, that most of us and others said about the new characters? Bland, uninteresting, unimpressed? That doesnīt change with the fact that they might play well. Itīs just that they lack...BASARANESS? Is that it? Thatīs the reason, I want a bigger roster, so as many of the old characters as possible can return and the chance increases with the number of the added new characters, that there might be someone under them, that might impress me, as once Nobunaga, Mitsuhide, Hanbei, Hideyoshi, Motochika, Motonari, Nagamasa, Kojuuro and Hisahide have done. Thatīs why my main complaint lies with the characters. Cause a lot of the characters, that made me want to play BASARA in the past are gone or NPCs, again. And so far, nothing is there to really make up for the loss of them. |
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| ChibiGingi | Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:32 pm Post #4020 |
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Booyaka, Booyaka
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*thinks she's the only one not angry about this* Then again, I don't think my hopes were half as high as some of yours were. Drats... Edited by ChibiGingi, Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:33 pm.
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| DarkMantisTalon | Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:42 pm Post #4021 |
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Sengoku Period Fanboy (hehe)
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well im ok with the new NPCs and oichi coming back with a new moveset but like i said before in oichi's scan you see her fighting a big guy lets make some speculations of who that could be (if there important) umm i think it could be masanori or maybe sakon |
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| Ouelis | Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:43 pm Post #4022 |
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The Smooth Sound of the Ocean
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No harm done. Anyway, I actually agree with what you're saying DK. While I do have a reasonable man-crush on Kurokan, I can't really say that any of the characters really jump out at me. That being said, I do feel that they belong with the rest of the cast of Basara. I think they just need some more exposure in order for them to really grow on us. Well, as I said, I think it'll all work out. In the mean time, DK, why don't we gush about how much we love a certain magnificent bastard?
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:08 pm Post #4023 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Hehehe...yes...the main trio Iīm waiting to appear, might still be there. Really as long as Hisahide, Kotaro and Matsu are in alongside my longtime favourites Masamune, Motochika, Ieyasu and Motonari, Iīm all set. Cause out of the Ninjaīs, Kotaro was my favourite, at least gameplay and design wise. Matsu out of the females. And Hisahide out of the males. And now that I think about it...Oichi ditched her Naginata...Matsu used a Naginata too. Oichi summoned dark Hands. Matsu summoned Animals. So...to make them more unique, Oichi stops summoning black Hands, but fights with them all the time and Matsu keeps her Naginata since a moveset consisting of summoning different animals would be too hard to come up with. Thereīs some logic in it doesnīt it? Cause if Matsu were a NPC, it wouldnīt matter if both were to use Naginataīs and summon things. What else could be the reason for Koba and his team to decide that sheīll give away her Naginata? So Matsuīs chances have risen once again, as well as Hisahideīs and thus Kotaroīs. Thanks to a great character (I forgot to say Iīm glad sheīs back and I hope that her psycho side still remains...I really loved that part about her...and glad she ditched the Naginata, since I like the black Hands skills most about her) And if there are only 19-20 characters, with Mogami Yoshiaki out there and probably a returning Kotaro, Matsu and a playable Hisahide...whoīll be the last, the two last characters? Maybe thereīs hope for a Tokugawa retainer afterall...either Hanzo, Mototada or someone else, but please let my favourite unifier get the same treatment as the other two. He needs to have more followers than just a gundam. Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:09 pm.
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| necrosis | Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:15 pm Post #4024 |
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シュマゴラス 無双
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Well well. Looks like everyone else is bitter about this, much to my surprise (maybe everyone is PO'd that I've been right?). Come my brethren, let us all uprise against the tyrant, and destroy him. Down with Kobayashi. Down with the King of Liars. |
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| ZeroTheWarrior | Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:21 pm Post #4025 |
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Am I... A monster?
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...you gotta be kidding me... mitsuhide is... UNPLAYABLE... AGAIN?!?!! oh... screw this... in sengoku basara he gets taken out of the american version, now in sengoku basara 3 they just make him unplayable in every version... a long silver-haired character with twin scythes... easily the most badass character... and he is off-limits... i think capcom has become completely braindead now... ...well, i lost interest in this game REAL fast... despite all the other characters bein kinda cool... the one i wanted most is just for looking at and feeling depressed about never being able to play with... |
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). Iīd rather see Toshiie be a NPC and come back with an overworked unique moveset in the HEROES expansion.
) an even more noticable lack of another Tokugawa retainer like Torii Mototada or Hanzo Hattori, some eastern officers like Hosokawa Tadaoki and Todo Takatora, Musashiīs rival Sasaki Kojiro (though I can see him getting stamped as just a new NPC
), popular characters like Tachibana Ginchiyo and Shima Sakon, etc.



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) for eachother. I've always loved the way their relationship is portrayed: They don't pity eachother yet they do. As if they are friends who grew up together but never really spoken a word to one another, in short a special bond. With her conversing with MitsuKai I wonder what he's plotting? Maybe that big guy in one of Oichi's scans could be Mogami Yoshiaki. Maybe Oichi is trying to get him to do something with Masamune's attitude. Or maybe he is telling her to set him straight. 



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