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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,154 Views)
eklineage
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Fuuma and Tsuru are friends?!?! Lol, how does that work? I sense some mess ups on his missions due to Tsuru.
Edited by eklineage, Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:21 pm.
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We don't know if they're friends or anything yet. For all we know, she could just be in one of his stages and we'll never see her again.
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Yes, it's sad to see how this topic has developed in the last couple of months. Ah, the follies of youth. Meh, screw that. I just hope that we can get some good news soon so that we can at least have something positive to talk about.

I don't really get why I'm so emotionally invested in this game anyway. I guess it's mostly since I never really got to play SB2 even though I really wanted to and when I finally get the chance to play the next installment it's not really the same thing anymore. Also that I feel that we've been slapped about so much during the process. I've already stated before that I'm going to be getting SB3 day one, but I guess I just feel so down at the moment due to the NPC flood we've had that I just feel...I don't really know what to call it. Just sadness I guess. And I get that I shouldn't get my hopes up so high and take a step back but it's not really that easy for me. Video games are such a fundamental part of my entire being so when something I've been looking forward to for so long gets treated like this it really gets under my skin. But I gotta grit my teeth.

Call me naive or overly optimistic or whatever you want, but I still hold on to that hope that we can still get some good additions in the weeks to come. And if not, the inevitable expansion will be coming along in due time as well. I guess I just feel so powerless in the face of all this. But enough's enough. Just, enough already.
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Eh? I'm not sad for this npc update. More unique characters to own in the story campaign. I am not particularly interested in playing as these two characters anyway. Sorry if others feel differently. However, Kanetsugu is a different story.
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Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:28 am
maybe i'll just stick to koei's SW3... capcom may have cooler character designs, but... they have no idea what people really want in a game, it seems...

we dont wanna see all of our favorite characters dangled in front of us with "NPC" labels on them...

there should NEVER be more than 2-3 NPCs in a game like this... and they should always be characters that no one likes... such as yoshimoto...
Oooh! Well let me respond! (Sorry, when angry fanboys lash out against my favourite series its hard for me not to respond)

Despite what you and MANY others may think, the BASARA team at capcom do know what people really want in a game, and that is origionality. Basara has so much origionality, its one of the best series I ever played, everything is entertaining, you'll always get a laugh, and you enjoy every minute of playing it. Capcom knows where to focus on a game, a lot of NPCs doesn't not mean this game is crap, the characters are a big part, and it is sad to see them go, but it isn't the end of the game as we know it. Basara is very strong in other aspects, and people seem to be forgetting that. If you want to stick to SW (which i find very dull and bland in contrast to SB, remember, this is my opinion people, don't go batshite because of it) then by all means, stick to it, I wouldn't want to see more of these posts here anyway.

And Yoshimoto is kickass, don't hate on him.

.... My....Oh my.... Those pants...... They're..... effing hilarious. XD

Oh, I just love him, the pants the moustache! I hope he is obsessed with his moustache, Like Vegeta in DBZ:GT :shifty: Hilarity will ensue if he is. Masamune makes fun of it, and Yoshiaki goes crazy! Shouting about how much time and effort went into making the moustache! xD ah.

I'm not upset about his portrayel, or his NPCness. He doesn't look like much of a character I would like playing, but just a character I love having around. Maybe his move set will surprise me though. I can wait untill we actually get the chance to play him. But when we do... :shifty:

Kotarou seemse more interesting this time around, I like Tsuru's nickname for him, its suiting. I can't wait to play him.

I think Tsuru will be a interesting character, someone who can see the real inside of someone at a first glance, I still don't like her, but she may have more to her than I previously thought.

Chibi is right, update lacking boobs, where are these females you promised Koba? D:
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Well, Kanetsugu was just a generic with a unique voice in SB2.
In SB3, he has his unique helmet with a unique voice.
So maybe he'll get a unique model and be an NPC in SB4.
IF we go by this logic, he'll be playable in SB5. :dance:
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Now. Onto alternate costumes. I wouldnt mind seeing Keiji in hideyoshi's armor to be honest. Kotaro in an alternate costume that makes him look more like a demon would also be awesome.

Tadakatsu can probably be a armor change that looks strangely close to a gundam.
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Eklineage, I didn't mean to offend anyone. My comment was in the same vein of your LAWL, just a stab that didn't mean anything. But I guess it was easily misunderstood, and for that I apologize.

This topic's dropping morale is the late NPC storm's fault, I guess...let's hope the future brings us better news! If all goes well we could see new content by may....I guess?
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The proverbial but always sincere Thank Yous to BK and NDY for delivering!

I was expecting a gruff looking oldman with grey hair and big ass sideburns but instead we got...ERROL FLYNN IN THE SENGOKU JIDAI!
Without discussing the PC or NPC thing, the design is pure epic win!
I mean, Sengoku Basara IS about goofy stuff.
Plus, he's armed with a rapier - a true man's weapon!
I can't wait for this guy's playable debut. Haters gonna hate. I like him! :dance:

And Kotaro saving Tsuru? The silent assassin turning into a nancy-boy? What's next? Having him voiced by Rie Kugimiya?


eklineage,
I'm taking caution on the alternates issue - as in, I'm actually counting on not being any. DMC always had a tradition of extra costumes but DMC4 had none.
Edited by Balder, Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:16 pm.
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Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:49 am
I remember the first 10 or so pages of this topic when everyone was ecstatic. Now look at everyone... :/

I'm hoping that the overseas release sells well so that we can continue to get more. I'm just worried that if it goes bad, they'll just stop bring BASARA over for good.
...as if it can get worse than it is now... we have two choices... get nothing at all from capcom, or get a butchered mess filled with nothing but NPCs...

i remember the first sengoku basara we got... renamed "devil kings" and all the history was butchered, characters given stupid names... half the characters in the game were unplayable, and we didnt get to use mitsuhide in that game, while japan did...

now, after god knows how long... we finally get sengoku basara 3, after japan had released 2-3 other basara games for themselves only... or however many came out between the first and this one...

lets see, all the good characters were taken out completely or made as NPCs... we get nothing all that great, and again, mitsuhide is in the game, but NPC ONLY!

...i dont know about you guys, but im hating this game more and more every day... and its not even out!

call me picky, or ungrateful... who cares, i just hate being ripped off...
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Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:47 pm
Oooh! Well let me respond! (Sorry, when angry fanboys lash out against my favourite series its hard for me not to respond)

Despite what you and MANY others may think, the BASARA team at capcom do know what people really want in a game, and that is origionality. Basara has so much origionality, its one of the best series I ever played, everything is entertaining, you'll always get a laugh, and you enjoy every minute of playing it. Capcom knows where to focus on a game, a lot of NPCs doesn't not mean this game is crap, the characters are a big part, and it is sad to see them go, but it isn't the end of the game as we know it. Basara is very strong in other aspects, and people seem to be forgetting that. If you want to stick to SW (which i find very dull and bland in contrast to SB, remember, this is my opinion people, don't go batshite because of it) then by all means, stick to it, I wouldn't want to see more of these posts here anyway.

And Yoshimoto is kickass, don't hate on him.

.... My....Oh my.... Those pants...... They're..... effing hilarious. XD

Oh, I just love him, the pants the moustache! I hope he is obsessed with his moustache, Like Vegeta in DBZ:GT :shifty: Hilarity will ensue if he is. Masamune makes fun of it, and Yoshiaki goes crazy! Shouting about how much time and effort went into making the moustache! xD ah.

I'm not upset about his portrayel, or his NPCness. He doesn't look like much of a character I would like playing, but just a character I love having around. Maybe his move set will surprise me though. I can wait untill we actually get the chance to play him. But when we do... :shifty:

Kotarou seemse more interesting this time around, I like Tsuru's nickname for him, its suiting. I can't wait to play him.

I think Tsuru will be a interesting character, someone who can see the real inside of someone at a first glance, I still don't like her, but she may have more to her than I previously thought.

Chibi is right, update lacking boobs, where are these females you promised Koba? D:
angry fanboy?

...fanboy to whom, exactly?

i hate koei just as much as i hate capcom...

i still havent forgiven koei for canceling warriors orochi Z for the US on the ps3...

...also funny how you call me an angry fanboy, yet you react EXACTLY like one... hypocrite, much?

also, whats with all the damn interest in breasts?! god, its a video game, not a porno... -_-

i also dont get the attraction to NPCs... you cant play as them... so whats the point?

i cant enjoy a character's presence if they're just a target and nothing else...

as far as im concerned, capcom has failed.

...unless the next couple updates boost the PC count up to 30... then i may rethink things... or, hell... i'd settle for just making mitsuhide playable, he's worth 30 characters by himself!

...i still say capcom's mitsuhide looks like a fusion between sephiroth and orochimaru... which is just awesome... I WANT TO PLAY AS HIM! :sad:
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Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:37 pm
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Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:47 pm
Oooh! Well let me respond! (Sorry, when angry fanboys lash out against my favourite series its hard for me not to respond)

Despite what you and MANY others may think, the BASARA team at capcom do know what people really want in a game, and that is origionality. Basara has so much origionality, its one of the best series I ever played, everything is entertaining, you'll always get a laugh, and you enjoy every minute of playing it. Capcom knows where to focus on a game, a lot of NPCs doesn't not mean this game is crap, the characters are a big part, and it is sad to see them go, but it isn't the end of the game as we know it. Basara is very strong in other aspects, and people seem to be forgetting that. If you want to stick to SW (which i find very dull and bland in contrast to SB, remember, this is my opinion people, don't go batshite because of it) then by all means, stick to it, I wouldn't want to see more of these posts here anyway.

And Yoshimoto is kickass, don't hate on him.

.... My....Oh my.... Those pants...... They're..... effing hilarious. XD

Oh, I just love him, the pants the moustache! I hope he is obsessed with his moustache, Like Vegeta in DBZ:GT :shifty: Hilarity will ensue if he is. Masamune makes fun of it, and Yoshiaki goes crazy! Shouting about how much time and effort went into making the moustache! xD ah.

I'm not upset about his portrayel, or his NPCness. He doesn't look like much of a character I would like playing, but just a character I love having around. Maybe his move set will surprise me though. I can wait untill we actually get the chance to play him. But when we do... :shifty:

Kotarou seemse more interesting this time around, I like Tsuru's nickname for him, its suiting. I can't wait to play him.

I think Tsuru will be a interesting character, someone who can see the real inside of someone at a first glance, I still don't like her, but she may have more to her than I previously thought.

Chibi is right, update lacking boobs, where are these females you promised Koba? D:
angry fanboy?

...fanboy to whom, exactly?

i hate koei just as much as i hate capcom...

i still havent forgiven koei for canceling warriors orochi Z for the US on the ps3...

...also funny how you call me an angry fanboy, yet you react EXACTLY like one... hypocrite, much?

also, whats with all the damn interest in breasts?! god, its a video game, not a porno... -_-

i also dont get the attraction to NPCs... you cant play as them... so whats the point?

i cant enjoy a character's presence if they're just a target and nothing else...

as far as im concerned, capcom has failed.

...unless the next couple updates boost the PC count up to 30... then i may rethink things... or, hell... i'd settle for just making mitsuhide playable, he's worth 30 characters by himself!

...i still say capcom's mitsuhide looks like a fusion between sephiroth and orochimaru... which is just awesome... I WANT TO PLAY AS HIM! :sad:
You may not be a fanboy, but you sure are acting like one. 8P And yes, I am a Basara fanboy, but I'm hardly angry, very few things get me angry. :mellow: Being a fanboy ain't a bad thing, so saying you're one isn't insulting you, nor was I making fun of you for seeming like one to me. Sorry If I did insult you, but i wasn't being hypocritical, I was just saying when people lash out at something I like I feel the need to respond in a way. :lol:

REferring to the boobs comment, you just aren't reading between the lines buddy, by lack of boobs we simply mean lack of females. :mellow: Not lack of sex symbols, I don't care for sex xymbols in video games, they're always a sucky character. We just meant that there have been tonnes of guys shown, but little females.

You're saying Capcom failed when we haven't seen anything close to the finished product, don't you feel like you're being premature? You can't pass judgement on the amount of characters untill you've seen everything. Of course, the NPCs are questionable, but I see no reason to be angry about it untill we all know what the end result is. :mellow:

Calm donw. you'll get to play as Mitsuhide eventually, its just called patience.

And when Capcom released Basara 2 and S:H as Japan only, it wasn't to keep it to themselves, it was because it wouldn't seel good over here and they were afraid of losing tonnes of money and making a DK 2 and go through that all over again, it was NOT greed that kept Basara in Japan.

@Balder: Holy Crap it is Errol Flynn! :blink:
Edited by Claus, Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:48 pm.
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I dont like you Akiro, you are being too mature, flame wars please! D:

:P

Now Yoshiaki, well...i honestly didnt see that look coming, but its fine, i like it, i love dem goofy pals and rapiers are win, if thats one. Not much comment about Kotaro and Ujimasa, though, not a big fan of them to begin with.

Also, thirded. Boobs pls.
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Oh God, Balder is right! It's totally fits! The rapier, the trousers, the OTT attitude! :lol:

But even if his design is silly, I don't get what some people hate so much about him. He's a joke character, that means we're not meant to take him seriously...

I know SB will always be a bubbling cauldron of testosterone but I have to agree on the lack of characters with two X chromosomes. Maybe if we had some silhouettes this thread wouldn't be so gloomy. <_<
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eklineage
Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:58 pm
Now. Onto alternate costumes. I wouldnt mind seeing Keiji in hideyoshi's armor to be honest. Kotaro in an alternate costume that makes him look more like a demon would also be awesome.

Tadakatsu can probably be a armor change that looks strangely close to a gundam.
Emmm you mean like this? :P
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v256/210/97/16859014444/n16859014444_514826_2393.jpg

Really love that alternate outfit, almost as much as Motonari's! In terms of alts I want to see in SB3 for Yoshitsugu he should be riding a carpet lol.

Anyway I'm still a bit iffy about Yoshiaki, but I see some people are complaining about his helmet, but that's his actual historical helmet he wore and I think it looks pretty cool on him.
Edited by DarkDante, Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:41 pm.
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WHY? WHY FOR CHRIST`S SAKE!

Why does a silent killing machine, thatīd even kill off, the most laid back ninja Sasuke without a second thought, save a damn school girl?

If you see her, allmost falling of a cliff? GIVE HER A DAMN PUSH, NOT SAVE HER.

Why in the holy name of...why do they have to make the most badass ninja of all times, appear in a cutscene were everything turns pink and hearts sprinkle around. :facepalm:

Just kill her off. Sheīs annoying.

Oh wait. They said some of the other characters wanted Tsuruhime to join this war. So maybe Kotaro was ordered to rescue Tsuruhime, so she would join the eastern army...this might turn out into a decent...NO...GETTING...HOPES...UP.

To Yoshiaki I only have this:
http://www.koei.com/launch/swxl/gallery/hideyoshi1024.jpg
and this:
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/3/34626/1093489-dampierre_large.jpg

I love SW Hideyoshi(even his first design), I love Dampierre and I love Rapiers...but whatīs up with the eastern side?

Tsuruhime? Yoshiaki? Ujimasa? Is this joke characters vs. the emo army?

Though, if they really add Ukita Hideie and Yamanaka Shikanosuke...donīt turn them into joke characters.
If youīre going to do that, donīt include them at all.

Also, it seems that in the expansion weīll see A LOT of joke stories.
I mean Ujimasa, Toshiie, Matsu, Hideaki, Yoshiaki, Kasuga (the perfect time to add Naoe Kanetsugu...)

Also...whereīs Tsuchi?

This Mogami Yoshiaki...isnīt Tsuchi. Same as Hideaki...itīs not Tsuchi. Same as "Tenkai"...thatīs the second player skin. He wouldnīt use that.

Yoshiaki looks like a straight rip off of Dampierre from Soul Calibur, Hideaki looks like the next Takechiyo and Tenkai is just Mitsuhide with a hannibal lecter mask.

Is he even in the game? Were are the badass designs like Hideyoshi or Hisahide? Mitsunari still had the colorfull vibe but after each character...itīs less and less BASARANESS.

MP, are you sure Tsuchi is there?
I wonder how the artworks of those characters look...cause if thereīs no artworks, those arenīt his characters. Then I know, why I donīt feel the need to play as them (though they are probably fun to play as)

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Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:15 pm.
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Mitsuhide is worth 30 characters? Well personally his moveset was kinda boring. I only like his sadistic/maso character and his design.

Wasn't that much fun to play. Same goes for Noh and Ranmaru. Nobunaga and Hideyoshi were pretty sick. Mainly cuz Hideyoshi has those brutal fist barrage/grapple moves. And nobunaga has a crazy cape...which has a life of its own lol.
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You know, I think I've changed my mind about Yoshiaki. At first I was a bit put of by him since I was expecting something a lot more hard-core but now he's really beginning to grow on me.

DK, if Tsuchi really had left the team shouldn't we have learned about it by now? I'd imagine that would be some very important news and I think it would have spread like wild-fire. Doesn't he have some kind of blog or something? That being said, I think there's a decent amount of Tsuchi in Kobayakawa and Yoshiaki. Not his most prolific work to be sure but I don't doubt that they're his creations. Might have been tweaked a bit by someone else though. Mitsukai isn't really a fair example though, since I doubt that the decision to include him was his to make and the same person probably wanted him back in the same incarnation just with a different name. Hopefully this is referenced in the game as well, with Mitsuhide showing up claiming to be Tenkai and the rest of the cast just wondering who he thinks he's fooling. Beside Yukimura that is.

EDIT: Oh, I almost forgot that I haven't thanked BK and NDY for their fine work. Big thanks as usual :hehe: .
Edited by Ouelis, Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:49 pm.
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I know it won't apply to most people, but I just had a thought. Didn't SB2H have action replay codes to play as Hisahide? Maybe for at least the Wii version (I don't believe there is a cheat device for PS3) people will make codes to play as the NPC characters (who I assume will have all their normal S strings + 3 skills & a BASARA since the majority of them were PCs already) so it might be possible to fool around with them that way until Heroes comes out.

Either way I'm still excited for this game no matter what kind of "depressing" NPC news we have. BASARA 2 double pack for Wii has been by far my 2 most played games in the past 2 years and I have been uber anxious for SB3 since the first rumor of announcement. Not to mention that I have friends who are getting ps3s just for the game so we can play online with each other. Nothing they announce now can change me from wanting to get it ASAP. I plan on getting the Wii import version and PS3 and Wii US versions since I'm impatient and HAVE to import to play asap, but I don't have $ to get 2 of the PS3 version. Getting both versions for the US just to support Capcom for finally bringing it here properly, lol.

Also thanks again NDY for the translation. I like what I am seeing so far with Capcom seemingly deepening stories and character relations. I think I will really enjoy Kanbei's story alot.

Also throw me into the lot hoping for more females. That is one area SB is sorely lacking in.
Edited by AdawgDaFAB, Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:46 pm.
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I just thought of something.
What if Kotaro just happened to save Tsuruhime by accident?
I mean, what if he just happened to kill a guy that was attacking Tsuruhime.
With her naive way of thinking she might think that he is a hero that came to rescue her.
Is this a possibility?
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Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:06 pm
I just thought of something.
What if Kotaro just happened to save Tsuruhime by accident?
I mean, what if he just happened to kill a guy that was attacking Tsuruhime.
With her naive way of thinking she might think that he is a hero that came to rescue her.
Is this a possibility?
I hope that itīs THAT or itīs in a plan of a certain someone...

Cause if they pull the "killing machine gets a heart cause he sees a cute little girl in need"-crap...

Just imagine Kotaroīs story ending being him sacrificing himself, while protecting her :mellow:

Or even worse, heīs in a hopeless situation, enemies everywhere...and suddenly he gets rescued by sparkly pink arrows and a high pitched voice that breaks the enemy swords...epic story possibility, is not epic.
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:39 pm.
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I hope that itīs THAT or itīs in a plan of a certain someone...


What would he have to gain from that? Or do you think he would do it simply to watch the whole situation unfold? He is a trickster after all...
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Well it said that a someone wanted Tsuruhime to join all this.

Also she does have that "eye of future" or whatever itīs called, just that scene were everything turns into Hello Kitty and hearts fly around.
I bet thatīs her "miracle eye".

So maybe someone wants to make use of that. For whatever reasons...I...donīt really know. :mellow:
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Damn you all really HATE Tsuru don't you. I personally like her...alot. Great moveset and I like the design too.Maybe not the most important character story-wise but I personally don't rank a character by importance usually design and moveset. You all are just getting way to uptight <_< . Well everyone to their own I suppose.

And whats with all of you believing that Kotaro suddenly grows a heart? BULL CRAP!! He is the frickin Assassins Creed character of BASARA. Like hell he saved her from the goodness of his heart. He probably did it because he thought she would be useful and whatnot. Sure it said he happened to stumble upon her in danger and saved her. But does that mean he actually cares...no, not really.

/fangirl mode OFF

Whoops sorry got a bit carried away. I like both Kotaro and Tsuru. Well actually I love Kotaro. His moveset is soooo sick!!! I love how he teleports in the middle of his S-string.



And we all know Mogami looks like a certain Soul Caliber character. But when compared to a real person.....He looks ATROCIOUSLY like Jules Verne :blink: .


P.S: I'm with Chibi and Koen, where are my boobs (man that sounded so les-yay). Come C and K let us girls revolt!!!! MWAHAHAHAHA-*cough*-HAHAHA!!!!!! :XD

Man I can never get that right
Edited by So Nyuh Shi Dae, Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:26 pm.
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Hey, this is my first post but I am not new to these forums. I have seen many debates over the size of the roster in this game and have seen people claim that their will be 30 or 40 characters total, playable or not. I have also seen people claim that the games director said their will be more characters in this game than the second games heroes expansion, which I believe has 31 characters including the one NPC ( I am getting that number from the wiki since i do not own the game myself). Does this not confirm that this game will have a 40 character roster since its roster must be larger than a game that already has more than 30 characters? By the way I am a big fan of SW and have never played a Basara game but I think this game looks great. :D
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