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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| Ouelis | Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:12 pm Post #4751 |
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The Smooth Sound of the Ocean
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I didn't even know that Hondam HAD a voice actor. That being said, Hondam at least makes some machine like noises. Kotaro doesn't even make a tch or any other kind of sound. |
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| eklineage | Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:19 pm Post #4752 |
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God of the Valkyrur
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Well it's a good thing to have. He's a legendary assassin. |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:21 pm Post #4753 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Well...someone has to make the sounds for Tadakatsu. It´s probably some guy with an internet connection who got a MIDI sound file and put it in Hmmm...now that I think about "expansions"...what about spin-offs. The expansion is for sure, it´s CAPCOM we´re talking about and a lot of other comapnies follow that trend. (DLC, expansions, whatever) But there´s sure to be a spin-off. Do you think they might (just might) port the game to the PSP? Not a brawler, a real Sengoku BASARA 3 Portable or just SBP.
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| robotzombie | Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:23 pm Post #4754 |
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Commander
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I don't really know what to add to the proceedings, as most of it has been covered, so I'll just throw in a few things: 1. Don't expect a 40 character roster. It is possible, maybe even likely, but all we've had was a string of disappointments and I'd rather be surprised by a massive last minute awesome news extravaganza than have my hopes crushed by the realization that the game just isn't as "big" as we expected it would be. 2. I sincerely pray for extra costumes. In SB2H, alt costumes literally made characters I don't even like into character that I wanted to play as. It really helps to extend playtime and keep things fresh. But again, don't expect them. Kobayashi ruined that in DMC4, so he can do it again. 3. I think we're gonna be looking at a biweekly update pattern from now on, and if I'm right, tomorrows official site update will prove it. We already know that next week has a couple of items in store in terms of updates. When the new characters pop up this week I bet we'll see their information set to be revealed the 22nd as well, the week after being left open for the new character updates. That is my guess for the update pattern. 4. And going by my update pattern idea, I really think we'll only be seeing one playable character updated each 2nd week and I think the max total playable characters we are looking at is about 22. And yet somehow I feel like I may even be overestimating. 5. But lastly, on a positive note, I think we all (my bitter self definitely included) should take a second to look at this game not as a sequel, but just as a game in general. So far we are looking at a game with 15+ playable characters, all with very unique and diverse movesets and (give or take a few due to personal opinions) awesome character designs, that each get their own story to play through multiple times with branching paths. As a game in general, so far that sounds like something that is definitely worth the price of admission. The problem is that we are only looking at it like a sequel, where everything has to be bigger, better, more. We really didn't have that many characters in SB1 and that game is the reason why we all are here right now, so we should at least wait until ALL the information is finally released before we decide this game is not worth the money and is a waste of time. |
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| necrosis | Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:27 pm Post #4755 |
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If they do make Itsucki an NPC I may buy this game on that principle alone. But we all know that's not gonna happen ...Haha. I don't know why everyone is bagging on Mogami....what's wrong guys, afraid of a little....CLASS? Not XXXTREME enough? He doesn't look like a joke to me, but then again I don't think Basara Masamune is even close to badass. ![]() Anyways, along those lines, WTF @ all the sudden Tsuru hate? I'm not too pleased about her inclusion either, but her voice isn't even squeaky garbage. What the hell video and voice clips have you guys been listening to? Some of you act like you've already played the game and know she's worthless in a fight, too...wha? If you are gonna hate her guts, have better reasons, ie Nobunaga being cut and replaced with her. ; D |
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| The Outsider | Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:50 pm Post #4756 |
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The Demon's Rival
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Ermmm, am I the only one who thinks Yoshiaki looks totally vile . Those trousers, ugh, he looks like a total ponse. I think I'm more angry about him in general than any NPC character, a little disappointing, sorry to those who like him . He's not perticularly handsome either, he can stay NPC.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:53 pm Post #4757 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Ahem...a lot of us joined the Sengoku BASARA "fever" is because they played SB2 or have seen the anime. Sure Sengoku BASARA held it´s fair amount of fans in japan and DK over here (even if it was butchered) but what really set the "bomb" was SB2 and more over the HEROES expansion + the SB anime. Without Hideyoshi, Keiji and Hanbei, it wouldn´t have drawn in that many. Since everytime I hear someone talk about SB, I hear Keiji is awesome or Hideyoshi just blew me away + Masamune´s epic "PUT YA GUNZ ON" phrase from the anime. It´s characters that make fans. There are enough action titles out there, better ones at that, but the characters of BASARA are what draws you in. And I don´t think Beetlechiyo and striped pantsu mustache man will draw in people, like Hideyoshi or Keiji. And we shouldn´t look at SB3 as a full game, but as a crippled being, that can be cured with money and time. Sengoku BASARA is a money machine. People buy soundtracks, DVDs, figurines, chips, soda, whatever. They´d even sell a "T-shirt worn by the guy who made the Masamune action figure". They´d buy every expansion and crap game they throw out. As long as it´s called BASARA and has Masamune and Yukimura in it. So we should be thankfull that we´re looking at so many playable characters. They could´ve made it a SB1 sized game, without featuring characters like Tadakatsu, Motochika or Motonari (like in Street Fighter 3 were only Ryu and Ken, to say the main characters they just couldn´t cut, since they are the heart and soul of SF) and just left in Masamune and Yukimura + a reworked Ieyasu since Sekighara doesn´t work without him...well, Koba would´ve found a way, I bet Tsuruhime would´ve replaced him Afterall, around December, we´ll be able to enjoy the real BASARA game. And before that we´ll get an appetizer. Just like Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. Less cars, less tracks, it´s just to prepare for the real game...and make more money. And all that "story branching talk"...does anyone think that it´ll really deepen the story? Like, if you make that decision, a story twist will happen and a character might die that alters the ending? It´s just like Metal Slug 3, if you go right you´ll fight crabs, if you take the down way, you´ll fight sub-marines. That´s it. Just a different level, that´s all that happens. Don´t get your hopes up and expect a Mass Effect story system. It´s BASARA. It´s simple. Nothing ground breaking. EDIT: NOW I KNOW WHAT´S BEEN BUGGING ME Yoshiaki´s not a mix of SW Hideyoshi and Dampierre from Soul Calibur. It´s this guy and Dampierre: ![]() Waluigi allways has some evil schemes up his sleeve...but they don´t result in anything grand... ...just like Yoshiaki´s profile says.Now I like him even more Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:49 am.
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| SRS | Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:02 am Post #4758 |
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I wish some of you would actually complain about the real problems with what's being done with the characters rather than jump on the Tsuru hate-train for the SECOND time(we went through all this crap when she was first announced and one of the things people whined about was her not having any connections with other characters, and now that we're being shown some you guys just whine about that too.) I'm just as pissed as you guys are about the whole proceeding but sheesh, at least I can direct it at the appropriate targets. BTW, magazine scan says Kotaro has no voice. That's probably why they kept Ujimasa around. |
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| The Outsider | Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:07 am Post #4759 |
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The Demon's Rival
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What do you mean by this? |
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| Jsun | Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:15 am Post #4760 |
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KOEI Warriors Forever!
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I think he means about how a lot of characters are NPCs. Kotaro having no voice reminds me of Snake Eyes from GI Joe. |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:26 am Post #4761 |
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I´m not complaining AGAIN, I´ll allways complain. She´s the R.O.B. of Sengoku BASARA 3. If any of you know what I mean by R.O.B then you´ll understand. When he was introduced as the "last character" of the Smash Bros. Brawl roster, there were those who didn´t mind and those who hated that robot for not even being a real Nintendo character. Just like Tsuruhime is not a Sengoku character. There are some many characters throughout the Sengoku era, even so many females and she gets the spot? Same as R.O.B. Ridley was a NPC, a boss. But R.O.B is a playable character? Nobody cared for him. I don´t like R.O.B and think his inclusion was a waste of space. And it´s the same with Tsuruhime. That won´t change. For several reasons. Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:30 am.
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| Flashbang Incentive | Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:44 am Post #4762 |
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DK, now I know what's bugging me too. HE LOOKS WAY TOO MUCH LIKE WALUIGI. I just thought of a really good of idea for the Sekigahara battle. I think that it should be a bunch of disputes settled in one battle. Yukimura- Masamune, Mitsunari-Ieayasu, Motochika-Motonari, (Maybe Kotaro could betray Ujimasa??)Kotaro-Ujimasa,Musashi-Kojiro(possibly), Keiji-Mago 9sadly, no Motonari)And. maybe the other characters could be killed off or simply fighting to win the battle. Edited by Flashbang Incentive, Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:45 am.
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| SRS | Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:49 am Post #4763 |
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BDS: What I mean is that I'm directing my anger at things like the vast NPC-fication of characters, cut characters, and how Kobayashi seems to think all of this is worth gold.Yes she is. Most "Sengoku" games don't even mention - let alone feature - the first half of the Sengoku era, instead starting with when Nobunaga first came on the scene near the halfway point. Koei actually does a way better job than Capcom at being inclusive of the early half of the era, Motonari and Zabii notwithstanding. Tsuruhime is a legendary persona not too unlike Tomoe Gozen; the reason why most of us never heard of her is because, well, Japanese history comes to the English-speaking community through secondhand, thirdhand or even fourthhand sources. And even then, we don't get much beyond the most recognizable parts of that history. I mean, how many of know who Ashikaga Takauji is? Hosokawa Katsumoto? Amago Tsunehisa? A R.O.B. character would be someone like Sakamoto Ryoma or Abe Seimei, neither of whom are remotely Sengoku era people. I don't mind if you dislike Tsuruhime, but do so for legitimate reasons if you could please. ... ... ... I feel like I got involved in a very similar debate in the Sengoku Musou form about another certain character. I wish I could remember who though. Edited by SRS, Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:49 am.
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| DarkMantisTalon | Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:51 am Post #4764 |
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well i figured kotaro wouldnt get a voice and in a screenshot in his scan i also like the new attack were there is symbols and smoke that looks awsome. and i just dont know why but i like the yoshiaki design but it does look a little generic and i like his weapon (once again a favored joke character by me) and in the scans of every character when it says there name and other info on them the words and clan symbol is a certain color and mogami's color is turquoise which i like and im not to good with clan verifying but is that the mogami clan?ok im gonna go watch some SB2H gameplay vids to get me in the BASARA mode ohh and one more thing tsuru was in SW2XL as a bodyguard so koei realized her as important(a little) Edited by DarkMantisTalon, Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:55 am.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:57 am Post #4765 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Sorry, wanted to say a Sengoku BASARA character. R.O.B is from Nintendo, but he´s just an accessory, a "filler character that flopped". (I really want to know if they thought they´d make him as popular as Mario? )Same with Tsuruhime. She might be in Sengoku BASARA, but she´s not a BASARA character. She´s a girl that lived before Nobunaga, she´s just a filler. And with so many characters that could´ve added...why the need for a filler? So, I know she´s from the Sengoku era, but that doesn´t make her a first rate choice for females in a Sekigahara themed game. Get your school girl butt in R.O.B´s corner Tsuruhime. Next to Nero from DMC4. And MGS2 Raiden. EDIT: ohh and one more thing tsuru was in SW2XL as a bodyguard so koei realized her as important(a little) And they were smart enough to leave it at that. Why is Naoe Kanetsugu a unique generic NPC and Tsuruhime playable? Only god knows...but since Kobayashi thinks he´s some kind of god...only Kobayashi knows. ![]() I love you too Necrosis, but you won´t provoke me. How can I not see trough my Sensei? Also I´ll stop the Tsuruhime discussion now. Let´s just leave it at that. She sucks.(not the Tsuru hime in history) And if I say it, don´t mind at all, Seraphil, I know you like her, but I just don´t like filler characters. Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:11 am.
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| necrosis | Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:00 am Post #4766 |
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Your comparison to ROB is downright stupid. She may be the best character in the game for all we know. Of course she's a crap choice, but your ranting and reasoning and both poor. |
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| DarkMantisTalon | Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:07 am Post #4767 |
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i thought of something funny what if for alternate costumes hideaki and yoshiaki got mario and luigi or wario and waluigi costumes
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| SRS | Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:08 am Post #4768 |
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Well the way I see is this: with Motonari still around and a prominent part of the story, Tsuru's inclusion and the likely inclusion of an Amago, it seems that Koba is trying to involve the various campaigns Motonari undertook during his conquest of Chugoku. It's a bizarre juxtaposition of eras(Motonari's campaigns began almost eighty~ninety years before Sekigahara!) but one that I think only Basara could pull off in spirit. It depends on if we get another Kyushu-ite from the north side of that island, be it Otomo Sorin, Tachibana Ginchiyo or Dosetsu. Also with Ukita Hideie's inclusion(or possibly even his dastardly father Naoie) that fills all the spots for the Mouri campaigns really, unless Koba surprises us with Sue Harukata, as doubtful as that is. |
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| Aznwarria | Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:24 am Post #4769 |
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hmm yeah can anyone tell me like who tsuruhime ACTUALLY was in history? yeah i heard about someone spreading the rumor that sb3 MIGHT be about the times b4 nobunaga as well, so i was confused. why focus on after nobunaga and b4 nobunaga at the same time lol? they should do that on separate games... like early could have ppl like: Saito, Amago, Ouchi, Otomo, Soun, etc. but now its sekigahara so they should have ppl like: Ukita, Todo, Fukushima, Kiyomasa, etc. geez so confusing. yeah dk i understand your analogy. but when i played as rob i really didn't mind... he was just...there. I didn't use him much and i didn't mind. i just ignored him. same with tsuru even if she was horrible, i wouldn't complain about her i'd just ignore her and not use her and be like ehh who cares about her. But to me, more characters is better! more ppl to learn about(like i didn't know who todo or yoshiaki were) and more ppl to have fun with!
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| Keneticam | Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:58 am Post #4770 |
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These updates have been rather disappointing indeed. all these npcs, and not a single new playable female. Huh...wat is Koba thinking? Whats going through his head as he makes all these profound decisions. Thats what i wanna know? WTF his objective is in making nearly everyone an npc! The npc to pc ratio is almost half and half. This is a disgrace.
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| robotzombie | Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:21 am Post #4771 |
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I don't believe its likely, but if you look at the official site, there is enough space for exactly 40 characters. However, it would be split 20-20 between pc's and npc's and the thought of that is just too horrible to bear. I mean to think up that many new characters and have so many that can't be touched would be just too insane for even Koba, right? Then again, that might explain the "generic"ness of the 2 new NPC characters... |
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| DarkDante | Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:53 am Post #4772 |
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I've been thinking, it's strange Kenshin and Ujimasa etc. are still around as NPCs but Shingen is completely absent even as an NPC.... Perhaps he is really dead?? and the Takeda have covered up his death saying he is ill? This would explain Yukimura's rather fragile state of mind, having to lead the Takeda while at the same time keep up the facade that Shingen is still alive. Anyway I agree it looks like the NPCs might come to an end soon. Out of the old cast only the following remain: Kennyo, Itsuki, Zabii, Musashi, Hisahide. Personally I think the former three will become NPCs or be cut completely, while the latter, Musashi and Hisahide should (hopefully) be PCs. |
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| ChibiGingi | Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:11 am Post #4773 |
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THANK YOU. Finally, someone else sees it. This is why I'm liking him, and not minding that he's an NPC at all, because it seems meant for the role he's meant to play. I mean, this is Basara... aren't there suppose to be a lot of yuks here and there? Edit: Oh, btw, my opinion on Tsuru changed when I saw her gameplay footage. I hate myself for saying this, but I think I'm going to enjoy her. I... feel very dirty right now for even admitting this. *yuk= laughs, not to be mistaken for yuck, which means... you know, not cool or undesirable. Finally, an NPC that seems like he's meant to be an NPC! See, that doesn't bother me in the least... Also, I'm surprised a lot of people agree with me. I was afraid you'd all get annoyed with my constant whining and chase me out. Seriously, though, more female characters are needed. He should at least keep that promise... and this is coming from someone who is very harsh on female characters as a whole. Edited by ChibiGingi, Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:18 am.
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| BlackKite | Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:04 am Post #4774 |
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Official site's updated with the characters revealed in Famitsu, just a heads-up. |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:27 am Post #4775 |
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I think that if we packed all of this thread's whining we could create a super powerful Tear Gas Bomb..... Fear us, Obama! the SB3 thread is the new axis of evil...by itself! Iran and N. Korea got nothing on us!!! Bwahahaha!!! Anyway, about Kotaro....he offed Sasuke and Kasuga in his SB2H gaiden. He might have a "not so bad" ending where he leaves Tsuru alive, but I bet he's going to have a massacre ending too. He wouldn't be Kotaro anymore if he didn't... I'm pro Tsuruhime too, anyway. Her inclusion might pave the way to more pre-Nobunaga characters....something we would all like, right? Variety in the cast is always a good thing, IMHO...we have the peppy young girl, as we have old badasses and awesome foxy generals....something for everyone! NOTE: I edited my previous post with Kotaro's skill descriptions and a little update of Yoshiaki's profile: http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/single/?p=8517267&t=6615453 Edited by Nine Demons Yoshitaka, Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:44 am.
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. Those trousers, ugh, he looks like a total ponse. I think I'm more angry about him in general than any NPC character, a little disappointing, sorry to those who like him

...just like Yoshiaki´s profile says.



but is that the mogami clan?




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