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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,341 Views)
Nine Demons Yoshitaka
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Guys....

Assuming that 1560 stands for the year...


Why are some of you saying "years never mattered in SB" (which I agree with) and then "doing a prequel would eliminate not yet born characters"...? Isn't that a contradiction?


We have Date Masamune fighting against Mouri Motonari in this game...an historical absurdity, right?


So why are you worrying about characters that would be cut, or would be younger/not yet born/etc?


Shingen calls Motonari "boy" here....c'mon. Time is followed so loosely, there's no need to argue such things IMO.....
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^ That's exactly the point, they could do that because factual historical dates have never been part of SB. Following time strictly removes that historical absurdity's foundation. They couldn't just "start" the franchise again in 1560 (or any specific timeframe for that matter) without re-doing the roster.

This all assuming that the 1560 does actually mean the date, or anything for that matter. Might just be some number Kobayashi pulled from a hat. Whatever it is though, I just wanna find out.
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Hmm...I see your point now.

Trying to following a year is really un-Basaralike...and cutting the roster would definitely displease the fans...

So why using a year as symbol, of all things?

Maybe they just wanted to hint at Okehazama....yeah, that's it!!!

Using that very year, indicating young Nobunaga's most important battle, might be an hint that we're going to explore his past...

But not that everyone's past will be explored. Maybe if Mitsunari and Kanetsugu will really be inclused, we'll have, like...2 factions....the flashback one and the "future" one...Ieyasu, Mitsunari, Kanetsugu, Masamune, Yukimura...etc...


Mmh....not very convincing, isn't it? I'm even more intrigued now....well, first of all, let this be SB3.
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This all assuming that the 1560 does actually mean the date, or anything for that matter. Might just be some number Kobayashi pulled from a hat. Whatever it is though, I just wanna find out.


All I have to say is that it'd be a pretty crazy coincidence for him to pick a number that has such significance to the era as 1560. If it has anything to do with SB, I really just can't see it being a random number.

To elaborate on what myself and others have said before: Just because Capcom picks a certain date for this game to "take place in" doesn't mean much for the roster other than that people would be younger. Yukimura and Masamune could still easily be included and 10x more bishi. I don't believe they'd ever actually given an age for these guys, CMIIW, but I could honestly see Yukimura being late 20s and Masamune as early 30s in game. Chopping 10 years off of each of them wouldn't discount their inclusion.

Them choosing the date would just mean they want to bring in an earlier side to the Sengoku BASARA timeline, not necessarily the actual Sengoku timeline.

But yeah, that's about as far as I'd like to take the speculation at the moment...
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If you cut off 10 years from a 20 years old Yukimura...that would pretty much...well suck.

But again a year doesn´t mean anything. It could mean the past of Nobunaga, it could be the rise of Ieyasu, it could be just the birthyear of Mitsunari and Kanetsugu, it could also just be the battle which the SB story starts this time, or it could mean an Onimusha.

Really...I´m that pessimistic, that even if everything indicates and SB, it could be something else.

Speculating is nice, but it´ll just make us insane.
I hope they´ll lift the secret next week.

If not, at least I´ll have BlazBlue till then and be a bit occupied, beating up some butts. :lol:
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:50 pm
If you cut off 10 years from a 20 years old Yukimura...that would pretty much...well suck.
No no no. Late 20s. So 27-29 range. Cut off 10 years and he's 17-19. Fangirls LOVE that stuff. Though you could argue that he's already in that range, but unless Capcom has officially said it anywhere, well..

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Speculating is nice, but it´ll just make us insane.
I hope they´ll lift the secret next week.


Yeah, I agree. I can't help it though, the possibilities are already driving me up the wall. Well, here's hoping it'll at the very least be SB3. Anything after that is icing on the cake.
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If you cut off 10 years from a 20 years old Yukimura...that would pretty much...well suck.
No no no. Late 20s. So 27-29 range. Cut off 10 years and he's 17-19. Fangirls LOVE that stuff. Though you could argue that he's already in that range, but unless Capcom has officially said it anywhere, well..

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Speculating is nice, but it´ll just make us insane.
I hope they´ll lift the secret next week.


Yeah, I agree. I can't help it though, the possibilities are already driving me up the wall. Well, here's hoping it'll at the very least be SB3. Anything after that is icing on the cake.
Okay, so he would be around 18...well...than imagine ranmaru :whistle:
Would be funny :lol:

I understand you. now that they´ve been teasing us for so long, they tease us again.

Even though Konami did the same with Metal Gear Solid 5, they did leet us know it´s the 5 MGS and that Raiden is in it.

Ah, well, next week will be great, BlazBlue comes out and probably an updated BASARA related site.

C´mon CACPOM hayaku, moto hayaku.

EDIT:

1560 something else happenend too:

The great age of piracy in the Caribbean starts around this time.

I know it´s off-topic...but maybe we´ll see a pirate styled hack´n slash game :XD
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:07 pm.
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Hmmm....well, well.

First off, I must say...I'm pretty tired of the whole "prequel" thing. Lord knows Capcom alone has used the concept a whole hell of a lot for their games already (Street Fighter Zero/Alpha and DMC3 immediately come to mind). So the fact that Kobyashi may be resurrecting that concept ONCE AGAIN, for a BASARA game, in any way, does disappoint me a tad.

Now, with those initial feelings out of the way, I will be willing to give such a thing a chance, provided it's done well. There's a good number of "pre-histories" that could be told for a number of the characters. KG. Hideyoshi. Hanbei. Sasuke and Kasuga. And, of course, the easy answer, "Nobunaga-kou".

If they really want to do more to help flesh out these characters and more, as well as this being the opportunity to introduce more newbies? Then fine, do the damn thing, Kobyashi. It will be funny that a game that stands to be technically more advanced than a past game, will actually take place in the past of the BASARA-world, but whatever. :hehe:

At this point, just seeing a new BASARA game, and what they plan to do with the series to keep it movin', is all that we could stand to see the most.

On the other hand though...if this is just a lame excuse to make the BASARA bishies even more in the way of yaoi bait, by chopping off a few years off their more or less "guesstimated" ages, then well, I'll go back to being a bit miffed. And unless the likes of Ranmaru and Itsuki are either a) midgets or b) have access to time machines, it may be a bit harder for them to come back... :hehe:
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Them choosing the date would just mean they want to bring in an earlier side to the Sengoku BASARA timeline, not necessarily the actual Sengoku timeline.


Well...they could've brought an earlier outlook without a date, y'know? They could've just opened a site with "the begining.." or something. I guess I just don't see any rational thinking behind using 1560 as away to give past stories or characters. They could've just added in earlier figures/stages/stories without bringing in a timeframe. Another way to put it- the SB team has never needed time to justify a story or character, so why start now?

Regardless though, I just want Kobayashi to start pumpin' out info soon. Otherwise this speculation could go on forever haha.
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:36 am
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:07 am
There is credence to this "prequel" thing though. There is an official art of young Basara Nobunaga (loking quite shirtless and badass) out there. Am I the only one who knows of this? O_o?
Those were concept art/illustrations done a long time ago for SB and SB2, they don't really mean anything. They are very awesome though, and Capcom should've stuck with a lot of the concept designs for some characters..
True, but remember this, just because it is concept art does not mean it can never be used once discarded. Many of the concepts for the first Transformers film actually appear in the sequal.


Whatever this is, better not be Wee exclusive. **** I hate that.
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Heads up, the site has been updated!

Now it shows that 1560 has been left behind, and in place of it is a new year: 1573

So now it could mean Mikatagahara or Odani Castle...
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Them choosing the date would just mean they want to bring in an earlier side to the Sengoku BASARA timeline, not necessarily the actual Sengoku timeline.


Well...they could've brought an earlier outlook without a date, y'know? They could've just opened a site with "the begining.." or something. I guess I just don't see any rational thinking behind using 1560 as away to give past stories or characters. They could've just added in earlier figures/stages/stories without bringing in a timeframe. Another way to put it- the SB team has never needed time to justify a story or character, so why start now?
Very true, though I think the plus side to using the date is subtlety. It keeps us guessing, you know?

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Heads up, the site has been updated!

Now it shows that 1560 has been left behind, and in place of it is a new year: 1573

So now it could mean Mikatagahara or Odani Castle...


Hmm... So then... this could be detailing the lives of either Nobunaga or Ieyau? (No, I won't give up on that small thread of hope :( )
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DAMMIT it's almost like it's a countdown, and maybe another date is going to be next.
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I'm just going to guess they're going to add 1582 as the next date (If they change it).
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Heh, the plot thickens.

It'd be nice if this week's Famitsu leak let the cat out of the bag. I'm sure our 2ch brethren are biting at the bit for more BASARA goodness, just as much as we are... :hehe:
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Nice, a new game.

Whatever this turns out to be can't be any worse than Battle Heroes was, so I'm looking forward to this.
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1573 huh....Mikatagahara, the fall of the Azai/Asakura clans, and the end of the Muromachi Bakufu....quite a full year, huh.

1560 saw Okehazama and Motochika becoming the head of the Chosokabe clan...quite an important year too.


I wonder where they're going with this....maybe the next ones will be:


1582 (for obvious reasons...or they might pull a fast one and give us 1583 - Shizugatake? Nah...)

1590 (Odawara, Hideyoshi's unification)

1600 (Sekigahara)

1615 (Osaka summer siege)

....2010!! (Sengoku Basara 3!!!)

Hey...it'll be kinda nifty. IMO.


Going out on a limb, it'd be cool if every year hinted at the inclusion of a new character...


1560: Mitsunari & Kanetsugu? Oda/Imagawa vassals? (not sure on the latter)

1573: Ashikaga Yoshiaki? Asakura Takakage? Other Tokugawa vassals?


Feel free to add your own predictions!!


@ Ben:


When is that Famitsu supposed to leak/hit the stores? If there's anything about this game I'll run down to the store....
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Im guessing those two years-period of battles they're gonna make for the game.I don't know,if they year changes again-I'll be wrong then.
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Site's updated again. This time it's 1582. Well everyone should already know what's in this year.

Anyway, I wonder until what year this site 'advances' to... :rolleyes:
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Hah, good call to everyone that said 1582.

And I agree that it's probably going to jump to 2009 or 2010 after 1615. Going by Makishima's prediction for the years it would update to present day on monday though, which seems kind of unlikely... so they'd probably cut one of those to make it a Friday, just because that kind of culmination seems like a Friday update. But eh, who knows?
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A friday update would make sense, since that's the day when the Capcom site usually updates....

It's a good thing the updates are so fast, at least they don't have us gasping for long periods of time...


I love this excitement...don't let me/us down, Capcom!! I'll look the fool again! XD
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I'm going to guess the next year is 1600.
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Again, I can't stress it enough...it would just be SO on point, if the Famitsu leak tonight let the cat outta the bag! :hehe:

We need our fix!

EDIT: Well, woe and alas. The leak this week not only proved to be pretty boring overall, there's seemingly not a SPECK of anything BASARA related goodness in its page.

Guess you got us at your mercy for a while longer, Kobyashi. YOU WIN THIS ROUND! *blows self up, like Hisahide*
Edited by HokutoNoBen, Wed Jul 1, 2009 4:00 am.
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I guess he/they're gonna wait at least until the years' cycle end...as I said before, IMHO they'll go on until 1615, at least....as it seems they change every day, today we'd go to 1590, thursday 1600 and friday (update day) 1615....perfect chance to open the new site?


Maybe I'm too hopeful.....
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Yet another update, but this time is a bit different. They crossed out 1582 multiple times like a madman (LOL, guess Capcom really hate the Oda), and the year goes straight to 1600. This time the 1600 is gold and not moving.

Guess they're gonna focus on the Sekigahara just like SW2. In any case, here comes Ishida Mitsunari. (most likely :hehe: )

And looking at the possible focus, I'm hoping for Capcom it's time to give the Tokugawa some glory indeed. ^_^
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