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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,138 Views)
Matsunaga Hisahide
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That´s why I said: Gotta love the gametrailers comments

And it´s not a minor thing. They are ignoring a part of a culture that is probably half of the worlds populace. Is it some great unbearable evil, that people have to say Sanada Yukimura?

You do it Ouelis and everyone here does. Just because KOEI had to "englishify" it, means that gamers are too dumb to get that the asian culture puts the surname first?

Still, we are at the bottom of the hill, so it can´t get any worse, right?
So the next news we get, no matter how minor they are, can only be good.

And just because you tell me to Ouelis, I won´t stop hating Kobayashi. That man has ruined DMC4 and is now ruining BASARA 3.
He is the fifth Horseman, called Ruin. His horses name is Trollking.

As for the cheesy parts in BASARA.

I´d rather take the thing Mitsunari said originally (decapitation fits a bastard like you perfectly - which is a "inside joke" since it was Mitsunari who was decapitated at the end) then what he says now.

Why not just translate it, the way it was meant to be?

They should just pay NDY, he´d do a much much better job -_-

@necrosis, when did overract overthrow negative?
So I was praying to the wrong god, afterall... <_<
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What the hell happened Here ..i go on Vacations and i Find even more depresed and Bad stuff..someone can put me on the news???? :sick:

the last thing i get was Matsu & Toshie as NPC.... :realangry:
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Well I watched the English trailer as well as the Ieyasu, Mitsunari, Yukimura, and Masamune dub vids and I have to say: It's simply ok. I feel Devil Kings had a much more fitting dub, but this one work well enough. While it looks like we will still be getting the proper story translated this time, the translation feels very loose and overly hammy, not sure how I feel about that one. What I am SUPER PISSED OFF about is the Western name order tho. F THAT MASAMUNE DATE BS, ITS DATE MASAMUNE! It pisses me off to no end when I see this in historical based games like this and the Warriors games. (Tho not as much as BK to write off the series from my list of favorites).

On a positive note: The new stuff in the gameplay videos were nice. Gotta love Ieyasu's ELLLLLLLLLBOW DROP OF DOOM! (Just like Ujiyasu in SW3.) Also, Autumn 2010 ... sounds like that September 28 date might be true after all. I'm happy it's not Winter 2010 at least, ^__^.
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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Well, just a re-cap Jonathan Joestar:

Fuma Kotaro is playable.
Hojo Ujimasa is not playable.
Mogami Yoshiaki is a joke character and is too not playable.

There was an english CAPCOM event were Marvel vs. CAPCOM 3 was announced, plus the english trailer + 4 english gameplay videos have been released for Sengoku BASARA Samurai HEROES
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/sengoku-basara-samurai-heroes/11633

Along the lines that Yukimura´s voice is pretty bad, Ieyasu is a bit unfitting, Sasuke is generic and Yoshitsugu´s voice is a damn joke but overall it´s neat, but not quite on Devil Kings level.

The translation are often overly cheesy and lose the original meaning since most of the comments have historical references (if you know japanese history that is, if not, it´s just a cool sentence or just doesn´t make sense)

And there´s another loyal SB fan gone, with name Blackkite, since CAPCOM was again, not capable of letting the asian culture be and we are all hearing Masamune Date, Yukimura Sanada, Ieyasu Tokugawa and Mitsunari Ishida again.

There´s (it seems) no Famitsu news this week + we have no idea if we´ll get something next week and the update on thursday will be the NPC couple´s voices + the SB3 Intro and probably some pictures of them.

That´s probably it. But don´t forget to listen to Kotaro´s voice (it´s worth it, believe me. :sly: )

EDIT:

Oh and I forgot to mention, that NDY found out, that after you defeat the base captains you either get health, attack or a defense boost. It´s just a minor detail, but it adds some small depth to the base gameplay.

So... that pretty much means, we´ll be hearing some FUNimation "YUKIMURA SANADA!!!!" "MASAMUNE DATE!!!" screams?
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:08 pm.
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Jonathan Joestar
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Well, just a re-cap Jonathan Joestar:

Fuma Kotaro is playable.
Hojo Ujimasa is not playable.
Mogami Yoshiaki is a joke character and is too not playable.

There was an english CAPCOM event were Marvel vs. CAPCOM 3 was announced, plus the english trailer + 4 english gameplay videos have been released for Sengoku BASARA Samurai HEROES
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/sengoku-basara-samurai-heroes/11633

Along the lines that Yukimura´s voice is pretty bad, Ieyasu is a bit unfitting, Sasuke is generic and Yoshitsugu´s voice is a damn joke but overall it´s neat, but not quite on Devil Kings level.

The translation are often overly cheesy and lose the original meaning since most of the comments have historical references (if you know japanese history that is, if not, it´s just a cool sentence or just doesn´t make sense)

And there´s another loyal SB fan gone, with name Blackkite, since CAPCOM was again, not capable of letting the asian culture be and we are all hearing Masamune Date, Yukimura Sanada, Ieyasu Tokugawa and Mitsunari Ishida again.

There´s (it seems) no Famitsu news this week + we have no idea if we´ll get something next week and the update on thursday will be the NPC couple´s voices + the SB3 Intro and probably some pictures of them.

That´s probably it. But don´t forget to listen to Kotaro´s voice (it´s worth it, believe me. :sly: )
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.......

thanks for the re-cap DK---so we get more NPC's... the voices are just...don't know.....NOT THE CHARACTERS!!! and they change Historical Sitiations as you say... FFFFFFF in my opinion..

Well with this i don't think i gonna get the game..it's just too much, becouse i don't know if the others are gonna be DLC :sick: or a new game.. :realangry:

Too bad....i think i gonna elave the BASARA Bus...maybe
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I uploaded the the videos to Youtube.
Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vY089-oPBs
Ieyasu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZvGokkrUik
Yukimura: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dPplNNglEs
Mitsunari: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFl64UZfxag
Masamune: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pkBWneOx3E

And for those talking about BlackKite's post, you'd have to know him. He
loathes people who use the Western Order for Japanese names. It's the reason the history section is strict when it comes to naming order.
Edited by Ultimate Legend, Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:09 pm.
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Regarding this name thing... does anyone here watch TV in Japan and if they do, when western celebrities are mentioned are their surnames said first and then their first name?
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I thought that the voices were okay...
ieyasu i had no comments...mitsunari's was pretty good.. all of them were pretty good except for some
I think Johnny bosch is wayyy too serious for yukimura. as much as i love him and he was even one of my favorite power rangers lol, but he just doesn't fit THAT well as yukimura. You can't imagine him being like a clueless shirtless idiot who runs around screaming lol. In his gameplay he sounds way to serious and he just doens't sound like the funny idiot we know him as.
now yoshitsugu...wtf?

i imagined him to be like really really really really evil.
but now hes british! lol
i thought he was gonna be like...I"M GONNA KILL YOU....EVEN WHEN IM SITTING DOWN....ON A FLOATING WOODEN PLATFORM... and be al badass.
he justs sounds...normal

now the scrips were kinda cheesy.
"THE MIRROR JUST ATTACKED US!" lol that cracked me up
"I've brought you an idea, ieyasu.(RIGHT HERE THEY PUT Ideas.."
WTF HUGE HUGE HUGE MISTAKE! what is leyasu's name ideas now? coool.
Tokugawa Ideas -_-

but hey it could be a lot worse. just be greatful with what we already have now, and the fact that its not called devil kings and that its coming to us
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Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:17 pm
but hey it could be a lot worse. just be greatful with what we already have now, and the fact that its not called devil kings and that its coming to us
Having bad things it's not GOOD!!!!

i'm a pretty big fan of the otiginal VOices..in the language they are(i'm no englis native speaker) so BAD VOICES ARE BADDDDDDDD :sick: :sick:
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I still love this game. You're all so negative :D
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Anyway, as long as I'm still here, I agree they should've used NDYs scripts. We should all get together and release a fandub, one that'd do the original proud, and one that'd spit on the Samurai Heroes mess. I guess this also effects the Anime. Well done Funi, you've also lost a sale from me on that :rolleyes:

Also, some of you who think we're are over reacting, try to see it from our point of view. With all the recent bad news, this is like kicking a lion while its down...
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lol, kinda is an understatement. Not to mention their quotes are mostly twisted around. But decent, nonetheless.

The English trailers though are better than their Japanese versions at least.
Edited by Ultimate Legend, Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:29 pm.
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Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:46 pm
That´s why I said: Gotta love the gametrailers comments

And it´s not a minor thing. They are ignoring a part of a culture that is probably half of the worlds populace. Is it some great unbearable evil, that people have to say Sanada Yukimura?

You do it Ouelis and everyone here does. Just because KOEI had to "englishify" it, means that gamers are too dumb to get that the asian culture puts the surname first?

Still, we are at the bottom of the hill, so it can´t get any worse, right?
So the next news we get, no matter how minor they are, can only be good.

And just because you tell me to Ouelis, I won´t stop hating Kobayashi. That man has ruined DMC4 and is now ruining BASARA 3.
He is the fifth Horseman, called Ruin. His horses name is Trollking.

As for the cheesy parts in BASARA.

I´d rather take the thing Mitsunari said originally (decapitation fits a bastard like you perfectly - which is a "inside joke" since it was Mitsunari who was decapitated at the end) then what he says now.

Why not just translate it, the way it was meant to be?

They should just pay NDY, he´d do a much much better job -_-

@necrosis, when did overract overthrow negative?
So I was praying to the wrong god, afterall... <_<
Fair enough. I can certainly understand your point, I just don't find it as large an offense as you and BK. I would have preferred it the right way as well but it's a small gripe for me.

Even though I agree that it's making it more "Englishized" I can understand why they would do it. We know the right way of spelling it and I'm sure that most wouldn't have a problem adjusting to it if they're first introduced to it this way. But it's the safe route to take even if it is the stupid one, so I can understand the decision.

Don't misunderstand me DK, I'm not defending Koba in any way and I don't want you to stop hating. I just want you to scale back on the sarcasm. More then Koba, I was just a bit struck by the sudden hate for Capcom as well. Are you miffed because you think they gave Koba free reigns to saddle his horse so to speak?

About the "inside-joke" thing, didn't you just answer you're own question? Sure, the statement makes sense even without the knowledge of the actual history but I can see why they would change that for those who aren't as well-versed in Japanese history. I for one needed it pointed out after all.

EDIT: Man, you're really bringing me down MP. Not your fault though since I completely agree with what you're saying. What's happened to this place. Really makes me miss like 50 pages ago.

You know what, I'm sorry for jumping on you DK, and you to BK. I can see why this would bug you so much, and especially after all the junk we've been getting the last couple of months. I'm just sad that this thread has become this soup. Just like MP said I used to enjoy reading every day but now it's almost just heart-ache.

But even after all that I still have hope. I won't give up yet. It ain't over. So, please accept my apologies DK and BK, that was miss placed anger.
Edited by Ouelis, Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:41 pm.
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ITT: people who find new and interesting things to complain about. :sly: I see that NO ONE is happy there is finally footage of the game in English. Man, nothing will please you guys, eh? :hehe: So would you guys rather not have the game coming out in English at all? Waaaaaaaaaaah, name order, waaaaaaah, not exact translation. :rolleyes:


spoilers this is me trying to be "positive" :shifty:
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Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:34 pm
ITT: people who find new and interesting things to complain about. :sly: I see that NO ONE is happy there is finally footage of the game in English. Man, nothing will please you guys, eh? :hehe: So would you guys rather not have the game coming out in English at all? Waaaaaaaaaaah, name order, waaaaaaah, not exact translation. :rolleyes:


spoilers this is me trying to be "positive" :shifty:
I am! :wave:

And I find this whole name order thing hilarious when the Japanese THEMSELVES are not consistent about it.
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BK, look at it this way: In JAPANESE manga, you read from left to right. And, if you read from left to right, the names are the right way!!!?

I can't get over the fact that it is now Dante Masamune.

They SO should have had the guy who did Vergil do Mitsunari! Lol, they could all face off!

necroisis, I am VERY happy there is footage of the game in English. I feel that the dub is actually done well, and will appeal to Western audiences. But no one else does...... :sad:

Master of Musou, hey dude, come on. We knew this game has good gameplay, and we know that all of the US/UK doesn't follow this game as much as we do, so that means people will just care for the gameplay, and won't cry about the voice acting! It's not over for this game in the West. We just need to tell people about it. If they like it, they will tell their friends about it, and so on.

Btw, who said Yakuza is over in the West? SEGA did zero marketing, and the sold over 100,100. That outsold the other two put together big time, and there's a campaign running for it.
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Well, damn. I knew as soon as I got around to watching that SBSH clip, I was saying to myself "This will not abode well for one of my pals." :hehe:

Any way, I guess my main thing is that I really don't feel like "Dante" and "Nero" have as much swagg as the JP actors. Not to be a weeaboo about it, but what I loved about Masamune, even more than his charming Engrish, was just the fact that his tone of voice had everything that made it sound like he was a Banchou/60s style gangsta. Langdon seems to only accomplish making Masamune into basically a composite of his Dante. BOR-ING~

On the other hand....why did they get Bosch to do Yukimura, when they could have had him do KG instead? KG's JP voice actor is Ichigo from Bleach! Getting Bosch to follow suit would have likely been a good match in more ways than one. Bosch's tone that waves between playful and serious could have suited KG just fine. :hehe:


Ah well...I'll see how this plays out. But unless I stand to be surprised, this game is likely going to flop in the West any way. Not wishing ill-will, but that's just what I see. And if that happens, BASARA's chances in the West will likely be a done deal for good that time, and it will be basically like Yakuza/Ryu Ga Gotoku all over again. ^^;;;
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Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeet............I'm happy that American fans are getting a new english Basara game period.

Importing games is a hassle for me.
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Of course its going to flop in the west, the fanbase are wishy washy babies who are ungrateful. : P
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Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:45 pm
Of course its going to flop in the west, the fanbase are wishy washy babies who are ungrateful. : P
Hey, man, remember though. They're not exactly making and selling a game out of the goodness of their hearts. They're doing it for the money. Them's the breaks of a capitalist-based society. :hehe:

So, being "ungrateful" is not the issue. Whether you make a product that actually SELLS is.

And that's why Ebert's quote about "games can never be art" holds true. As long as this is still an industry focused on the pursuit of money, it will never be respected as an art form. :hehe:

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I can tolerate Western order. If I can do it with every anime I've ever watched, then I can do it for this one game. Gonna be awkward for me hearing "Ieyasu Tokugawa", considering my world history program acknowledges his name in Eastern order, but oh to the freaking well. Sorry, BK, that you've pretty much jumped of the bridge for something like this, but I guess I can't bother.

Am I the only one who actually doesn't mind the English dubs? Granted, Ieyasu sounds a little to old for my tastes, and Yukimura sounds a little to cheesy, but I guess it's all in fun, right? Masamune's decent, Mitsunari's good, Motonari's good, and am I the only one who loves Yoshitsugu having the voice of a sly Brit (no offence to y'all)? I thought it was gonna be darker, but this voice feels just as good to me.

And I'm surprised that they actually changed the videos a bit. Interesting.
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Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:41 pm
Well, damn. I knew as soon as I got around to watching that SBSH clip, I was saying to myself "This will not abode well for one of my pals." :hehe:

Any way, I guess my main thing is that I really don't feel like "Dante" and "Nero" have as much swagg as the JP actors. Not to be a weeaboo about it, but what I loved about Masamune, even more than his charming Engrish, was just the fact that his tone of voice had everything that made it sound like he was a Banchou/60s style gangsta. Langdon seems to only accomplish making Masamune into basically a composite of his Dante. BOR-ING~

On the other hand....why did they get Bosch to do Yukimura, when they could have had him do KG instead? KG's JP voice actor is Ichigo from Bleach! Getting Bosch to follow suit would have likely been a good match in more ways than one. Bosch's tone that waves between playful and serious could have suited KG just fine. :hehe:


Ah well...I'll see how this plays out. But unless I stand to be surprised, this game is likely going to flop in the West any way. Not wishing ill-will, but that's just what I see. And if that happens, BASARA's chances in the West will likely be a done deal for good that time, and it will be basically like Yakuza/Ryu Ga Gotoku all over again. ^^;;;
Even if it does flop in the West, I'll be glad that I've at least played one of their games overseas. I'll be satisfied. :D

As for Bosch, Yukimura from KOEI and now for Capcom. :lol:

Actually, I'm enjoying the English dub so far.
Edited by Lord Mizer, Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:54 pm.
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Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:40 pm
Master of Musou, hey dude, come on. We knew this game has good gameplay, and we know that all of the US/UK doesn't follow this game as much as we do, so that means people will just care for the gameplay, and won't cry about the voice acting! It's not over for this game in the West. We just need to tell people about it. If they like it, they will tell their friends about it, and so on.

lolwut? :?:

I'm not complaining at all. The quotes ARE cheesy, though it doesn't bother me much. I don't have much of a problem with their voices, and I said the English gameplay vids were great. I don't really know what you were trying to say to me? :huh:

On the videos subject, I was surprised that they had different gameplay vids for the English version. I thought they'd simply keep them the same and just add the English voices. Was like watching something new. Seemed they wanted to focus more on showing the skills and the stylish gameplay since ALL of the scenes where they got hit were cut out. Not to mention all of the vids have them scoring a LOT more hits than in the originals.

The names of the combos (Ready, Go, Double, Triple, BASARA, FEVER) were changed to make them similar to Devil May Cry.

It was nice to see more skills. Masamune's Jet-X and Crazy Storm have both been revamped from SB2 I see. Mitsunari's new skill was also cool.

Overall, a good update. Same as what Seraphil said to Necrosis.
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Am I the only one who actually doesn't mind the English dubs? Granted, Ieyasu sounds a little to old for my tastes, and Yukimura sounds a little to cheesy, but I guess it's all in fun, right? Masamune's decent, Mitsunari's good, Motonari's good, and am I the only one who loves Yoshitsugu having the voice of a sly Brit (no offence to y'all)? I thought it was gonna be darker, but this voice feels just as good to me.

And I'm surprised that they actually changed the videos a bit. Interesting.
Nope, I like them too. And surprisingly the name order doesn't bother me, I just don't see a reason to care, of course, the proper name order is perferred.
I think the voice actors are doing a great job and I'm not upset about this as much as others. (hissy fit much)

Why are some of you so angry about this anyway? Especially DK and BK, its not like you have to play the NA game, if this bothers you so much, then don't play that version. I think some of you are just complaining for the sake of complaining.
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I think anyone can complains..since we are talking,wainting for info everyday....

an i thinks that company have to put both voice paks in the game this days..to please ALL THE FANS :sly: :sly:
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