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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,136 Views)
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BK:why the fuss?don't like the US version,get the JP one,no reason to not be a fan anymore,its not like SB is US only,and you did say that the messy things that all of the guys fussed at(the NPCfying,character designs,etc) does not bother you.......

anyways,here's my opinions

US versions are not always bad,so far i liked DW&SW's US VA's rather than the japanese ones,but i think its the lines,in the JP version after a few hours you'll hear nothing but versions "tekishou uchitottari!" almost every friggin seconds,the US lines gives variety to this

DK also has good lines,they're basically direct translations of the JP script with only the names being changed,and the VA's hit the spot

not all of the US versions are worth the wait though,KOEI's gundam&hokuto is the two of them,i can't stand the gundam VA's and can't imagine how the US VA can voice kenshiro's "deep manly voice but can instantly change into high pitched bruce lee yells"well

as for SBSH.......i think its mostly the lines that is at fault,some of the VA's are to blame,but even an oscar winning actor cannot make a character good if the lines that are given to him are complete trash,the grunt namings are also stupid,its been 1 day and there's already a LOT of people misinterpreted general(ieyasu) and general(shingen) why can't they use general(tokugawa) and general(takeda) instead?

so yeah,for me the verdict is,get SB3,you'll get it faster,better,and if HEROES comes out,you'll get it faster too plus a guarantee that you can play it,because the sales for SBSH might be grim and they will go on an overseas hiatus again and thus no SBSH HEROES........
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Don't even bother about BK and his naming order stuff. He has made it known that HE HATED IT to hell. It's like his unique trait. Western name orders on Sengoku characters is his personal Bat Credit Card. Well, he would make an exception if it doesn't involve Chousokabe Motochika, but seeing that this game blatantly HAS Aniki in...

Well I would say that this is the fault of those American-produced games that he bought. Maybe we should kidnap and brainwash him so he never knew those games exist, so he'd still enjoy the game without issues at naming orders.
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Oh god not the name-order-nazis again :rolleyes: every SW release this topic comes up, I hope it isn't going to infect SB now as well.

Anyway the voices are decent IMO, Mitsunari and Ieyasu being the best and Masamune and Yoshitsugu being the fails. Masamune simply doesn't sound badass enough, Yoshitsugu has a generic bad guy voice, his should be deeper and more menacing. Ieyasu is good and I really like Mitsunari's for some reason, but the Japanese VA is still miles better, hearing Mitsunari say Ieyasuuuuu in English didn't really do it for me. The others Yukimura, Motonari, Sasuke are all passable.
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In B4 BK abuses his power and shuts down the basara section and bans us filthy heathen defiler who don't care about name order or who say "Yukimura Sanada".



I do wonder what some of you were expecting from the English voicing. Its a hack and slash, guys. You really expect fantastic Hollywood voicing from this genre? Shouldn't you guys know better by now? Also, Yoshitsugu has like1 or 2 lines, I like how we're all dismissing his voice are horrible already. Complain complain complain. :uh:
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Kratos Aurion
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Look, for all the people who are super faithful to the original Japanese version, allow me to quote Sasuke from this:

Expectations..I would keep them low if I were you.

Now, about Date's voice actor..I wasn't sure before, but many of you are certain it's Langdon, Dante's voice actor. Yet a few of his lines sounded like Yuri Lowenthal..are you sure it's Langdon? I know it's fitting, similar personality, similar name..
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Kratos Aurion
Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:26 am
Look, for all the people who are super faithful to the original Japanese version, allow me to quote Sasuke from this:

Expectations..I would keep them low if I were you.

Now, about Date's voice actor..I wasn't sure before, but many of you are certain it's Langdon, Dante's voice actor. Yet a few of his lines sounded like Yuri Lowenthal..are you sure it's Langdon? I know it's fitting, similar personality, similar name..
Its Langdon. The tone and inflection of make it clear, despite sound weird in a few lines (phoning it in for the paycheck prolly)....
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I thought I had told you guys to ignore that post... Now look at how the discussion here is getting derailed. And if you guys weren't bothered with that post, this topic wouldn't get this chaotic..... :facepalm:
.....I really feel like being the puppy in necrosis' sig now. (´・ω:;.:...

Anyway, for those who are wondering, I'll still visit here to provide Famitsu scans (which, there are none today). I'm also still getting the JP version, no worries there. But after the release date in Japan..... well, only God knows. :rolleyes:

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Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:07 pm
I uploaded the the videos to Youtube.
Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vY089-oPBs
Ieyasu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZvGokkrUik
Yukimura: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dPplNNglEs
Mitsunari: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFl64UZfxag
Masamune: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pkBWneOx3E

And for those talking about BlackKite's post, you'd have to know him. He
loathes people who use the Western Order for Japanese names. It's the reason the history section is strict when it comes to naming order.
ok, this is kinda pissing me off...

an admin gets defended for hating people who using names in their country's traditional way... i guarantee you, if legends of troy goes to japan, they're gonna "screw up" and probably put all the names backwards... if those greeks and trojans even had last names, that is... i dont research them...

when me, or anyone else gets pissed about something in the game, we get lectured...

i was told i was taking everything too seriously, and that i needed to calm down... but BK personally hates anyone who puts a japanese person's first name... first?!

you may be an admin, BK, but thats worse than how i was behaving earlier...

if your reasons to be absolutely pissed are justified, then so is everything that pisses me off... which is literally everything. <_<
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Kratos Aurion
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All right. I guess I can still hope that Yuri voices someone in this. The way he said Yukimura, the way he pronounced the r in it sounded a lot like how Yuri does. My mistake.

Also, anyone else recognize some of the voices? I think I heard Derek Stephen Prince as a generic, and either Dan Woren or Richard Epcar is the Takeda Generic General voice (it's just a scratch, you'll be fine, ironically as he's exploding).

I don't think it's fair to bash Yoshitsugu's voice actor just yet, you've only heard one or two lines from him..wait a little while longer guys.

TL;DR YAY FOR THE DUB.
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Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:34 am
i guarantee you, if legends of troy goes to japan, they're gonna "screw up" and probably put all the names backwards... if those greeks and trojans even had last names, that is... i dont research them...
...no, they won't, man.

English/Western names aren't done like that. :hehe:

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i was told i was taking everything too seriously, and that i needed to calm down... but BK personally hates anyone who puts a japanese person's first name...


Well, first off...he warned y'all. If you weren't willing to take what he had to say after SO MANY LAYERS of spoiler tags with either a light-hearted attitude, or at least be willing to look away, then you didn't need to read it.

It's a personal quirk of BK's, and he has made it known throughout the years. To my recollection, he doesn't outright put people on blast, it's just more of a thing that gets a "KITE SMASH" every once in a while out of him. For those of who know and love him best, it's like a "That's Our BlackKite~!" moment. *studio audience laugh track here*

In short, he doesn't put all his drama out there, otherwise. There in lies the difference in the way he does things.


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ZeroTheWarrior
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...so his anger is accepted because he hides it in spoilers?

...what the hell...

meh, whatever... people better get used to my rage and love me for it, then!

I DEMAND IT, DAMN IT!

...eh, im just kidding, i dont care. :P

im fine, but really... just be glad that they didnt screw over all the history in the game! :rolleyes:

i guess i can understand BK... im extremely stubborn about certain details in things, too...

anyway, enough of all this... i like the voices so far, gonna be weird fighting as/against a british super-leper, though... :mellow:
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I actually thought the image BK posted was downright hilarious... had to do a lot of backtracking, you guys chitchat a lot (Watchtower, you still owe me cookies).

1.) The Westernized voices. Capcom butchered Okami, why not Sengoku Basara? At LEAST they didn't make them speak jibberish, or changed their names to something stupid like Scorpio, Red Minotaur, etc. However, I will respect those who are angry about it's opinion... it's like me and inconsistent voice acting. It really, really bugs me.

2.) The voices themselves. Really, I feel for Bosch. Poor guy's probably wondering if he stumbled in on a Koei game and feels a sense of Deja vu... as for the rest of the voices, meh. I preferred DK, but also, at least it's better than other VA work I've heard. I will wait to hear more from Otani before making a judgment on him... two lines is hardly enough to make an impression for me.

3.) No Famitsu scans? Oh well, considering we got videos in English, expecting anything else would be quite silly.
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damn no scans this week i was hoping for some but this is still good we got english vids,a koba interview,and some disappointment :realangry: and happiness :D

well overall im happy :dance: :lol:
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In FURTHER regard to the voices, the anime is being done by Funimation, these voices (barring Langdon) are Funi guys, so again, this should come as no shock. I honestly except Yuri Lowenthal, Kyle Herbert, and Troy Baker to be in here somewhere, too. Hell, maybe Chris Sabat will be Nobby in the anime and expansion (if it gets released).

>_>
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I haven't post in this thread yet..I just want to comment about the game:
I am very excited that the game is coming out here in the US. I found the game to be very promising..I know when it come here in the fall I would definitely get the game. The only thing I don't like is the large number of NPCs... but they have a good playable roster so I am okay with it. Oh looking at Mitsunari Ishida gameplay I can tell he will be my favorite in the game... love his voice, gameplay, and personality. Now waiting to see what other information we will get until the game comes out.

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Can someone please direct me to the link where they explain how to do a pic sig. for my profile (too bland).
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Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:03 am
In FURTHER regard to the voices, the anime is being done by Funimation, these voices (barring Langdon) are Funi guys, so again, this should come as no shock. I honestly except Yuri Lowenthal, Kyle Herbert, and Troy Baker to be in here somewhere, too. Hell, maybe Chris Sabat will be Nobby in the anime and expansion (if it gets released).

>_>

Chris Sabat better not even BREATHE on Sengoku Basara...............

So Yuri Lowenthal is not the one voicing Masamune? I was hoping Kirby Morrow would return.
Edited by JHouser, Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:16 am.
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Well, Kirby Morrow (And the entire DK voices) are Ocean Dubbed..aka, Vancouver, Canada. Funi has the licensing for this, and it's nearly impossible for Canadian VA's who work for Ocean Group to get hired by Funi..I think there are restrictions to prevent that from happening.
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Well, Sabat does do work for Funi. It could happen. :sly:

Kirby Morrow is Ocean, which is Canadian, IIRCC. Canadian dubbing seems to have fallen out of style, which is a shame, because they've got a lot of talented guys.


Zhange Tai: Preferences, then edit signature. Use the code tools there?
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Oh well..........I can move on.
I still have Devil Kings to play for the memories.
So who is actually dubbing Masamune?
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I haven't post in this thread yet..I just want to comment about the game:
I am very excited that the game is coming out here in the US. I found the game to be very promising..I know when it come here in the fall I would definitely get the game. The only thing I don't like is the large number of NPCs... but they have a good playable roster so I am okay with it. Oh looking at Mitsunari Ishida gameplay I can tell he will be my favorite in the game... love his voice, gameplay, and personality. Now waiting to see what other information we will get until the game comes out.

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Can someone please direct me to the link where they explain how to do a pic sig. for my profile (too bland).
It begins... :whistle:

Well it seems that this update has overall, boosted the morale of this forum. Hopefully, future updates will be just as good. ^_^
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Well, if there isn't a scan this week, what's the menu on the site update again?

@BlackKite: I think there's more ways to express the last panel on your picture. Wasn't there pictures like that which represent "RRRAAAAAGGGGEEEE!!!" instead of 'meh...'? Because the last one seems to represent "Meh".

Still, I'm still on with the idea of you brainwashing yourself so you'd forget AOE3 Asian Dynasties, Shogun Total War, etc, if you want to erase your pain and still enjoy discussing SB.
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@ Basara:

They don't say the character's name in the "XXX defeated" message. Because it's always written in a passive way. (E.G., "Sakakibara Yasumasa defeated", "200 units defeated", etc)


I don't get the amount of complaints either, the video didn't look that bad to me...the script change is kind of annoying (I understand if they remove heavy historical details, but mistranslations are mistranslations...and some chars in Basara (Kenshin, first of all) talk pretty damn hard.

I'm curious to see how they're going to portray Yoshihiro's dialect...how did he talk in DK, anyway?


All in all, that was a damn good update! 6 videos, chaps!


I feel for BK. people blasted him like a puppet on Necrosis' bad day. Just let the man have his freedom of speech and do whatever the hell he pleases!


OT, but I agree that Shi-Long Lang >*. Too bad about....his assistant....but let's not go there....
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We could always use more gameplay videos as a site update. How about some....Have we seen that wretched Keiji yet?
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The video coming tomorrow is either

A) The game's opening movie

B) The video showcasing all playable characters' skills, Basara and special skills, shown at the last event in Yokohama (the video that spoiled Kotaro's inclusion)


Let's hope for the latter, ay?
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So I got bored and tried to eagle eye all the generic Generals names in the 4 English gameplay videos. I think I got them all:

Tokugawa Ieyasu Video
Asari Nobutane
Akiyama Nobutomo
Baba Nobuharu
Kosaka Masanobu

Sanada Yukimura Video
Oyamada Nobushige - With Yukimura
Kikkawa Hiroie
Mori Takamoto
Ankokuji Ekei
Murakami Takeyoshi
Kobayakawa Takakage
Mori Hidemoto

Ishida Mitsunari Video
Ishida Masazumi - With Mitsunari
Sakakibara Yasumasa
Ishikawa Kazumasa
Takagi Kiyohide

Date Masamune Video
Asari Nobutane
Naito Masatoyo
Oyamada Nobushige
Akiyama Nobutomo

Generic Titles
Squad Leader
Camp Commander
Firing Control Cheif
Water Gate Cheif
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