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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| FatalxInnocence | Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:44 pm Post #5576 |
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Regarding the post above me ( DevilsKing ) I don't think Oichi was put in solely because he liked her, he also stated she was popular. Which brings me to another question, do you actually know what Japanese fans wanted for this game? I'm not saying you don't- but if you can't read Japanese you probably shouldn't assume. Fans outside of Japan ( at this moment ) aren't really important, since the last time they tried to release this outside it did fail miserably. So, naturally he'd listen more to the fans in Japan since it's actually successful there. Maybe the characters everyone is interested in here ( outside of Japan ) aren't characters being requested by the fans in Japan? Just something to consider before you say Koba isn't listening to the fans and is basing everything on personal preference. Now, if this game is successful outside of Japan. Maybe then Koba will take everybodys opinions into account, in which case I'm sure you'll find majority of the issues everybody seems to rave on about here will be solved. Anyway, Sorry! I'm just kinda over hearing ill thoughts about this. |
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| Eni | Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:55 pm Post #5577 |
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BOOEH
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Yoshiaki being the one behind Shikoku? That sounds so awesome. That interview got me interested in the plot of the game, i wonder why Tenkai is so important to it, maybe he did change his ways after all? |
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| AdawgDaFAB | Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:06 pm Post #5578 |
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Han's Unifier
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Our pure and innocent Tenkai changed his ways? From what did he change!? It is almost as if people know this mysterious monk's identity behind that Hannibal Lecter mask ... |
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| Eni | Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:14 pm Post #5579 |
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BOOEH
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Maybe some weird event made him change his ways? Or maybe someone hit him really hard on his head, making him lose his murderous toughts?
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:17 pm Post #5580 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Ahm...never mentioned Oichi...or did I? *Reads pointless rant with some truths in it, cause this thread would die down otherwise since there are obviously no news besides one character and 4 unplayables + a history lesson and reasoning a la Koba that would make even Gozilla roll over in his grave* Nope. What I meant is that he just put in characters HE WANTED IN, since he has no reasoning whatsoever for his decisions. Itīs just what they wanted (even if they try to explain it, with historic facts, which they probably found on Wikipedia) Oichi was one of the most popular female characters in BASARA (well if you look at the competition of a fictive orgasmic boob girl and a small underage girl with an oversized hammer followed by Pedo-fanboys, itīs not really surprising that a more serious female character with a lot of depth is the more favourite one )Same as Sasuke and Kojuuro as well as Mitsuhide and Hanbei...oh...wait...yeah... Oh well...thereīs still the chance for Zabii and Itsuki to be playable...surely that fact still pleases Necrosis... Also I hope youīre right. After Devil May Cry 4, Kobayashi really saw that the things he did back then were not the best ideas he had. Glad he changed his ways and now does the complete opposite of it. Youīre right, if it succeeds, heīll listen to the fans. Just like last time. Any other objections? (though I gotta admit, he said something usefull this time...the part were he said he wants to win over more male gamers...it just proved our "fangirls" theories from past days + it explains why a pink sparkly schoolgirl with big round eyes is in the game...now just imagine Takatora having his tentacle arms...is it weird that they try to attract gamers with such dirty methods? )EDIT: Well, after the death of the evil Demon Lord, maybe a lot of characters underwent a woderfull cure, being finally freed of the dark grasp of the Devil King. I mean afterall, Nobunaga threatened and fought against monks for a long time. Maybe that mysterious Tenkai now dedicates his life to peace instead of fighting for his believes. *crosses fingers for him to be undead Nagmasa* Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:21 pm.
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| eklineage | Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:31 pm Post #5581 |
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God of the Valkyrur
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@Balder Oichi: Nagamasa-sama, is it really you? Yoshi: Dammit woman, questioning me is evil! Oichi: Nagamasa-sama, is it really REALLY you? Yoshi: YES! *hits Oichi in the head with an orb* Now go fix me a sandwich! Oichi: Nagamasa-sama, it really is you! OMG KAWAII DESU NAE!!! @FatalxInnocence I believe Kojuro was also very popular. EDIT: Also I JUST found out... that SW3 has... CAW?!?!?! Edited by eklineage, Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:05 pm.
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| DarkMantisTalon | Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:51 pm Post #5582 |
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Sengoku Period Fanboy (hehe)
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@eklineage i think the SW3 CAW news is pretty old lolbut the interview was pretty interesting if i was there and knew Japanese i would trick koba into spilling the beans *muuhahahahahaaa* which would probably be easy haha jk @Balder that yoshi tricking oichi thing was pretty funny YES! *hits Oichi in the head with an orb* Now go fix me a sandwich! hahahhaa lol
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| Gakupo | Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:33 pm Post #5583 |
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Thanks for the interview NDY! And, like some of the others here, there was at least one point that irked me. One of the main ones for me happened right away when they were discussing Ichi. Kobayashi said something along the lines of wanting more male players so Ichi was a definite inclusion. Is he going for the whole 'sex sells' thing because he completely missed the point when he NPC'ed Kasuga ![]() Does he not think that guys like Kojuuro or Sasuke wouldn't attract male players as well? I may be one of the few who would, if was between one or the other, choose Kojuuro over Masamune anyday. Retainer or not, that's just how I feel. EDIT: Regarding game's opening track I uploaded, if it goes down just give me a shout and I'll re-upload it. And you're all very welcome
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| Kratos Aurion | Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:56 pm Post #5584 |
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MOAR
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I sincerely do believe Quality trumps quantity. After witnessing the abomination the AVGN reviewed recently, I strongly hope that Koba is making the roster so short for the reasons of quality.. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/angry-video-screwattack/65116 <= Watch that, lol. Interesting interview though. |
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| ChibiGingi | Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:20 pm Post #5585 |
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Booyaka, Booyaka
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The "quality over quantity" excuse is getting old. People say it as if it's suppose to make everything magically better. Hey, screw the fact that over half the cast is either cut or NPCified, it's QUALITY OVER QUANTITY. Like saying that is going to make me forget all the characters I didn't get to play, or will have to stare at longingly and not get to play them until a possible expansion is released. Sorry, it's all meaningless words until the game is in my PS3 and I see the end results of this magical thing called 'quality over quantity'. Sorry, don't give him anymore reasons to slack off, Koba doesn't need it. Also, this whole 'OH NO, NO ONE KNOWS WHO TENKAI IS' ordeal is a little stupid... are they serious, or are they trying to pull an Usob/Sogeking here (in which the latter of the two is fine; the only one I'd see falling for it would be Yukimura, and no one would have the heart to break the truth to him that he's really Mitsuhide incognito). Koba, you have no reason to be full of yourself. Edit: Bad mood again... getting it all out now before work, which is sure to kill me. Edited by ChibiGingi, Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:23 pm.
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| eklineage | Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:09 pm Post #5586 |
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God of the Valkyrur
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HAHAHA...that's jokes. Especially the beaver game. "WHAT?!? YOU MEAN I'M STUCK HERE?!" |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:18 pm Post #5587 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Hey, we donīt know about the last mysterious game Cheetah, yet Extremely long rant. Read at your own caution. Donīt worry, itīs a not a troll like SB3 sucks rant, itīs a serious rant to make you understand what upsets me and others. Again, only read at own risk. Spoiler: click to toggle
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| eklineage | Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:30 pm Post #5588 |
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God of the Valkyrur
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At the very least... it's bigger than Blazblue's roster lol. Well... at least until Continuum Shift comes out. But really.. I'll wait until the game comes out. But iirc... didn't Koba say he's gonna give us lots of new characters? If so, where are they? You know... I was joking when I said it's gonna consist of around 50/50 PCs and NPCs. But I realize that it's not really funny at this point. Edited by eklineage, Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:36 pm.
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| robotzombie | Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:57 pm Post #5589 |
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Commander
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Just one comment on your post, DK. While I'm not going to defend anything in terms of Kobayashi, it must be said that just because it took 3 years since the last game was released doesn't mean they've been making this game for 3 years. Kobayashi can't just start making games whenever he wants, he would have needed the green light from Capcom, and who knows when they decided to go forward with this game. Also, it isn't just about time, it's about money. Less cash --> Less workers --> Less work done in the timeframe, and again, we have no idea how much the production value of this game is Edit: necrosis, I sincerely believe you didn't bother to read one ounce of my post Edited by robotzombie, Sat May 1, 2010 12:48 am.
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| necrosis | Sat May 1, 2010 12:23 am Post #5590 |
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シュマゴラス 無双
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Damn you ChibiGingi and Devilsking. You both said what I was going to say. I can't put a lot of that any better. I'll answer robotzombie though. So, in 3 years time, they've had time to...barely upgrade the game system, and render several old favorites to just "look but don't touch"? I don't buy that one second. I CAN understand they may have not come up with new moves for Toshiie, Matsu, Kenshin, Sasuke, ETC, but its preposterous to just have them unplayable when the bulk of the gameplay is unchanged. As Devilsking said, this isn't like SSM5. DW6 was a total rewrite of the game. This is just another upgrade sequel....but with things randomly taken away from us. What if Capcom had released Vanilla SF4 without the new characters that were in the arcade? And forced people to wait a year for super for Abel and Rufus to be usable on consoles? There would be outrage. |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Sat May 1, 2010 1:10 am Post #5591 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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You can comment all you want on my comment, itīs a forum afterall Iīm open for discussions, since if we donīt talk about something, it seems to die down really quickly Not so long rant, but I explain how the publisher/developer thing normaly works Spoiler: click to toggle EDIT: Good example there, Necrosis. And itīs not that we wouldnīt like Sengoku BASARA or that some parts of BASARA 3 wouldnīt appeal us (looks at my former signature and how much I post here) but itīs the overall package and the fact, that a simple look at DMC4 and then at the fans, wouldīve saved SB3 a lot of disgrace. Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Sat May 1, 2010 1:16 am.
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| Hondam | Sat May 1, 2010 1:36 am Post #5592 |
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Harbaugh So Hard
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Question- if the game is so disappointing to some of you so much, and continues to do so by evidence of recent posts, why still bother being here? Would it not be just that much simpler to leave, or simply not post? A lot of it has just been boiling down to Kobayashi bashing, and to be perfectly blunt, is this really the place to be doing that? Why not bash him somewhere else? Or better yet, stop bashing him at all? We get it, some of you hate Koba (I admit he is quite a piece of work, but still), probably more than a healthy amount, but what is the point in repeating that over and over and...over? We have a complaints thread for a reason, but even then there's an ever greater remedy- stop posting here, take a break, do something else, whatever you have to do. Reiterating how much some of you dislike the game and Koba time after time is just going beyond the line of understanding at this point. :/ This isn't directed at any one person or meant to cause anything, rather I'm just throwing it out there. Some of us still do look forward to the game and this is one of the best, if not the only good, places to talk about the series. But now it's just becoming silly at this point to see the same hateful, anti-Koba/SB3 post again and again in topic after topic. Disregarding the hate and focusing on what we do have, which is a lot more than what a lot of you are equating the game to be, and appreciating it for what it's worth would be a lot more welcoming and appreciated than rant after rant of things that have already been beaten to death. |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Sat May 1, 2010 1:52 am Post #5593 |
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I agree with Hondam here...the complaints thread is there for a reason. Let this topic die, if it must, until new info come, but let's not flood it with the same ol' same ol'.... I'll excuse Chibi because she doesn't post often and needs to vent, but you're getting kinda heavy, DK, my man. What happened to you? Don't let Koba bring you down so much! You're getting to his level! |
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| ~in3vitableTIMING~ | Sat May 1, 2010 2:28 am Post #5594 |
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I agree with this post 100% lol kinda makes you think "DUHHH!"But upon reading that interview i'm actually really concerned because its one thing to be left in the dark to worry but when your given evidence that something bad is actually going to happen is even worse and the interview basically stated that Koba doesn't take the game seriously at all the fact that that he kept Oichi in and not kasuga is clear evidence hes doing it for himself and not the fans (thats not why Capcom pay you) looks like i'm going to have to put my heart some where else (LOST PLANET 2 :D) it's a shame but Basara is turning out to be one of those pretty pictures with no background to them. I wish you all the best Koba (but i'm not holding my breath I actually wanna live to finish my degree lol xD) |
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| DarkMantisTalon | Sat May 1, 2010 4:39 am Post #5595 |
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i also agree there is a complaints thread you know i think you guys should rant and express your bad feelings there and wait for some info to come in and then talk about it here well thats what im doing
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| LordKarasuman | Sat May 1, 2010 6:09 am Post #5596 |
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Yes my Sweetest
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Guys, guys. So Koba is self-aggrandizing and makes a ton of (or at least a few very serious) polarizing decisions; how is this new for any game Capcom develops? The true of badge of honor when it comes to being a Capcom fanboy-- or at least, tolerating what the company does-- is to bite down the bullet and wait for the eventual expansion that fixes everything. For instance, the direction of ABS' song for the opening. Just gonna have to wait for Sengoku Basara *snrk* XTREME Samurai Heroes for my seriously super hot-blooded theme. |
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| Gakupo | Sat May 1, 2010 6:24 am Post #5597 |
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^^It's just TM Revolution doing the theme for this one. Who knows, maybe they'll bring in ABS for their Heroes expansion. Speaking of themes, for me it'd be: Blade Chord > JAP > Crosswise > Dive Into Yourself. Do you guys think the character themes will be remixed for this game? I'm thinking the returning PC's will get new sounding spins on their established theme songs while the returning NPC's will keep their tracks from SB2/SB2H (Hoping that Katakura's theme returns ).
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| wodash | Sat May 1, 2010 6:27 am Post #5598 |
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undefeated in all directions
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LOL even shokatshin is here?i dunno there are zeongs in the sengoku era......wait.....can yoshitsugu be categorized as a zeong?! and yeah,the song is not hotblooded enough,but hey,at least its not something like "invoke"(which scarred me for life,along with the anime that comes with it),that song and "heart of sword" is probably the most boring TMR song ever.......(mainly because my roomate back in the college days kept playing those two over and over again...) as for the whole rant about koba's stupidity and favoritism,lets just say he already did this with SB2H's poll back then,motonari got left out for no reason in the game's "popular character gaiden mode" although he had a LOT of people voting for him,not to mention the whole matsunaga fiasco.....so there's nothing to be shocked about
where does naked arms go in your song tier?>.< and yeah,i hope it will get remixed,SB2H remixed some of the SB2 themes although not all,its safe to say that the old character wil get remixed themes and perhaps ieyasu will get a totally new one.... Edited by wodash, Sat May 1, 2010 6:33 am.
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| LordKarasuman | Sat May 1, 2010 6:35 am Post #5599 |
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Yes my Sweetest
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You know, I thought there was something off about "Naked arms".
As far as I'm concerned, Yoshitsugu is basically Fumihiko Tachiki telling bitches that legs are SUPERFLUOUS Oh, oh, and if we're gonna tier the songs... JAP = Nemure Hi no Hana > Dive Into Yourself > Blade Chord > Crosswise = Naked arms You may now burn me at the stake! Edited by LordKarasuman, Sat May 1, 2010 6:56 am.
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| Hondam | Sat May 1, 2010 6:42 am Post #5600 |
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On the topic of the Game Intro, personally I think this is visually the best opening we've had yet. The final moments of Ieyasu and Mitsunari with those backgrounds were kinda breathtaking- very well done. As for as themes go though I still don't know how I feel about this one. If I had to rank them all it'd probably be like this: Crosswise >>>>>> Dive Into Yourself > JAP > Blade Chord > Naked Arms Crosswise will forever be the theme of BASARA to me |
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