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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,111 Views)
Ouelis
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Thu May 6, 2010 8:29 pm
Regarding the deadline - 12 weeks til release? Bearing in mind the possibility of the full roster being revealed by a month before release (like what happened with RE5GE and SSFIV) and what seems the possibility of a gameplay video update for every character, it seems the roster really will be limited. I'm expecting 19/20 PCs at most (and that's being optimistic).
I don't think we should trust the previous claims of "biggest roster ever" and "lots of new characters". Kobayashi has flat out lied in the past and there's no guarantee he won't do it again.


A couple of things I forgot asking Hondam:
- did you notice if the game kept the elemental effects feature?
- did you manage to see the pre and/or post battle menus? If they're like 2's, the layout could give us enough hints if stuff like weapons, armor and items are still in the game.
I think we can safely assume that Koba was talking out of something other then his mouth when he made the whole "biggest roster/lot's of new characters" comment. That being said, I agree that 19-20 PC's is the best case scenario we can reasonably expect at this point. And I say reasonably, since if I just went with "best case scenario" it would mean 15+ PC's that aren't even announced until a day before the release. Sweet sweet imagination.

And I'm I the only one who suspects that we won't be hearing from Hondam for a while because if I were him I would have pitched a tent in front of the demo kiosk at this point and refused to leave.
Edited by Ouelis, Thu May 6, 2010 8:46 pm.
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:o

Someone has to bring him food or something to drink!
Or he catches some small mice that might run around at night in that store :ph43r:

Hang in there Hondam.

Seriously though, whereīs your review? :/
We are desperate. Give us something :bowdown:

Hmmm and opening 1 is a nice hint. I hope thereīs another opening with allmost all of the characters.

If Battle Heroes did one thing right it was showing a Godzilla version of Hideyoshi and Nobunga, flying down from heaven to crush a huge castle, shooting laser beams out of their eyes at the charging Yukimura and Masamune...and having a lot of the BASARA characters in it :P

And heck, now Iīd be glad about 19 characters.

My guess would be that they keep the "villain" for some time in the dark. So people, nothingīs set in stone for now, but I guess all we can expect is a bit more than 15 playable characters.

My guess is 16, the last being the "boss", like Seth from SFIV.

Iīd hope for more, namely Hisahide, Takatora, Shikanosuke/Sorin and Hideie for several reasons that shouldīve come before Tsuruhime, but hey, Iīm not Koba, you know I donīt like her cause she got in over several others...

Letīs hope for the best...seeing as Street Fighter 2 had the "four boss" characters itīd be awesome seeing the "big bad four of BASARA" being the driving factors behind this war.

For now we only have those who got involved in this whole war...who set it up, got Tsuruhime involved, Kanbei out of his cage, took Matsu hostage, destroyed Shikoku and thus involved Motochika...there are some persons pulling the strings and itīs not just on the east side...

There is someone out there, using characters like Yoshitsugu, Yoshiaki, Mitsunari, etc. wanting this war to happen... :ph43r:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Thu May 6, 2010 9:05 pm.
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I'm wondering.........the NPCs couldn't they be playable in like freemode or 2 player co-op? I understand that the current 15 playable characters have stories, but could it mean also that the NPCs are playable like the characters in DW6 who didn't have stories. Sorry for the confusing speculation, I don't know too much history about the game.
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Thu May 6, 2010 10:32 pm
I'm wondering.........the NPCs couldn't they be playable in like freemode or 2 player co-op? I understand that the current 15 playable characters have stories, but could it mean also that the NPCs are playable like the characters in DW6 who didn't have stories. Sorry for the confusing speculation, I don't know too much history about the game.
I was thinking that also since they must have full MS's to be in the game :mellow:
There's no real reason for them not to be...
Unless they just want to release another version of the game with these NPC's as PC's to get more money xD
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Thu May 6, 2010 10:35 pm
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Thu May 6, 2010 10:32 pm
I'm wondering.........the NPCs couldn't they be playable in like freemode or 2 player co-op? I understand that the current 15 playable characters have stories, but could it mean also that the NPCs are playable like the characters in DW6 who didn't have stories. Sorry for the confusing speculation, I don't know too much history about the game.
I was thinking that also since they must have full MS's to be in the game :mellow:
There's no real reason for them not to be...
Unless they just want to release another version of the game with these NPC's as PC's to get more money xD
Nope, they really aren't playable, people have -Hoped- for this before, but they aren't playable, not with free mode, not with story mode. The Basara team said so themselves. And your exactly right Mooglez, they all have full move sets, so there is no real point for them not to be playable, other than to milk more money.

~~~Nevermind, just read Wodash's post~ ;)
Edited by Claus, Fri May 7, 2010 1:37 am.
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eh?

-since SB2 kasuga&sasuke are no longer clones,they have the same counter skill but IIRC that's it
-toshiie-ujimasa-kennyo are not clones of each other if that's what you're saying

child ieyasu is toshiie's clone but since ieyasu is revamped totally now then toshiie officially got no clones in SB3

ujimasa...doesnt have any clone that i know of,of all 4 "2 skillers" on SB2H(sans musashi) ujimasa is the most unique

kennyo,is a clone of shingen but since shingen is also absent from the game,so that too is out of the question...
Edited by wodash, Fri May 7, 2010 12:52 am.
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Fri May 7, 2010 12:36 am
eh?

-since SB2 kasuga&sasuke are no longer clones,they have the same counter skill but IIRC that's it
-toshiie-ujimasa-kennyo are not clones of each other if that's what you're saying

child ieyasu is toshiie's clone but since ieyasu is revamped totally now then thoshiie officially got no clones in SB3

ujimasa...doesnt have any clone that i know of,of all 4 "2 skillers" on SB2H(sans musashi) ujimasa is the most unique

kennyo,is a clone of shingen but since shingen is also absent from the game,so that too is out of the question...
Strangely enough, going back and watching Hondam in action from SB2 I never realized that his S-string is clone of Shingen, minus the final two strikes. Even though I never really played as Hondam in the previous installments, you think I would've noticed it.
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although the move is basically the same,hondam's size,weapon,and the way he kind of skids around after every swing gives an impression that the moveset is unique,plus he got tons of special moves to cover that up too,same with SB2H ieyasu,it would take a while to notice his "clone-ness"......

unlike KOEI style clones,which is very obvious from the start,mainly because the characters rarely differ greatly in size and their movesets are exactly the same with each other including musous,in DW6 they try to add different spins with the "tome specials" but that's just one thing,and its not that much "special" since other characters may have the same special even though their moveset might not be the same..
Edited by wodash, Fri May 7, 2010 1:13 am.
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Thu May 6, 2010 9:00 pm
For now we only have those who got involved in this whole war...who set it up, got Tsuruhime involved, Kanbei out of his cage, took Matsu hostage, destroyed Shikoku and thus involved Motochika...there are some persons pulling the strings and itīs not just on the east side...

There is someone out there, using characters like Yoshitsugu, Yoshiaki, Mitsunari, etc. wanting this war to happen... :ph43r:
With the speclation from that interview that Yoshiaki may have been responsible for the attack on Shikoku, I'm pondering that maybe he was originally sent as an envoy by Ieyasu to gather Motochika's support in the coming war with the West, but "a certain someone" caught his ear, and manipulated him into attacking Shikoku instead, promising him power... :sly:
Just a theory, though, since I agree none of the "darker" characters shown so far have that manipulative feel that is so engrossing for an antagonist.


Glad that Tadakatsu's video is coming, likely with another Famitsu reveal. And despite not having Naked Arms in the video on the site, it was nice to see, as it looked a little less "washed out" than the one put on youtube.
Edited by RTsharpshooter, Fri May 7, 2010 2:09 am.
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LOL I knew I had it wrong somewhere. Thanks for the corrections Wodash ;) I haven't played SB2:H so I was just typing what I remember reading while back. Plus I;ve only had 4 and a half hours of sleep this week, so that probably didn't help me think straight.

Anyone have a link to the SB artwork? I had a hard time finding some off of google. Couldn't even find Kenshin's artwork. :/

Edited by Claus, Fri May 7, 2010 1:39 am.
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Dokuganryu.com has all your SB/SM artbook needs.
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Any chance I could get someone to do me a favor? and make me an avatar of this:

http://dokuganryu.com/scans/basara/basara/22.jpg

That young Nobunaga is such an awesome character design, and I'm terrible with stuff like making avatars, so if anyone could help, it would be greatly appreciated.

And maaaan, some of those alternate character designs and such are incredibly cool. It astounds me how talented Tsuchibayashi is
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On the cloning issues, I think Kasuga also shared a couple more skills from Sasuke besides the counter - the concealed shadow technique and the one where she summons a light replica that moves forward.
And Yoshimoto's pretty unique, like Ujimasa.
That said, the move recycling is actually pretty tame all things considered and just genuinely boiled down to Takechiyo and Kennyo's s-strings.

Anyway, 4gamer just posted their coverage on the last Basara event.
http://www.4gamer.net/games/094/G009450/20100506005/ nice high-resolution screens of I&M's figures
http://www.4gamer.net/games/094/G009450/20100506046/ coverage of the event itself. Note the various paraphernalia at the end of page 2. Indeed this is a marketing giant.
Alas, once again, I am oblivious if there's any new info in them or not.

robotzombie,
Here's a couple of 'em done with simple MS Paint cropping and resizing. Don't know if this is what you are looking for though...
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You can always take it to the pros and make a request in the GFX board.
Edited by Balder, Fri May 7, 2010 11:25 am.
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I was looking forward to this game until I saw that soo many awesome characters were non-playable. Or to be more specific, the awesome female characters lol. Will there only be 2 female playable characters in this game?
I was hoping for Oichi ];
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Fri May 7, 2010 2:30 pm
I was looking forward to this game until I saw that soo many awesome characters were non-playable. Or to be more specific, the awesome female characters lol. Will there only be 2 female playable characters in this game?
I was hoping for Oichi ];
oichi will be playable beacuse i saw her in the gameplay video so i think that she will be playable.
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Uhm...Oichi, Tsuruhime and Magoichi are the female ones you can play as.

As for NPCs Kasuga and Matsu are the ones...and Noh representing the dead.

So yeah...3 is not the epic number youīd expect...but seeing as the roster size is 15 now and will at max go up to 19...

No, 3 is still a low number. :mellow:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Fri May 7, 2010 3:03 pm.
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:sly: one of the best koei games
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This isn't a KOEI game. Wrong game.
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ah awesome if oiichi is init I will get the game!:3
can I see the gameplay vid?
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There's a video topic for a reason. Why can't people check before asking these questions?
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:sly: one of the best koei games
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@DK: There is still a chance of more female characters. And when was it confirmed the max PCs will be 19? Personnally I think that will be the final number, but so long as it isn't confirmed you should go around saying that its the max amount of characters we can possibly have.

@Gakupo: Thank you so much! ;)
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Uhm...Oichi, Tsuruhime and Magoichi are the female ones you can play as.

As for NPCs Kasuga and Matsu are the ones...and Noh representing the dead.
There's still the possibility of Itsuki coming back. Since we already have one ice elemental mahou shoujo so it would be reasonable to assume she won't come back, BUT this is Koba we are talking about and standing to reason is pretty much his field of expertise.
Besides, bringing her back completely unaltered would pretty much be the ultimate insult.

I wanted Ginchiyo... :sad:


Judging by the hints detected from several videos and sticking to the prediction there will only be about 5 more characters, who could they be? Zabii, Amago...Otomo? aaaand?
Biggest roster ever - if that includes Heroes, then I'm guessing 32, if not, 31. In both situations, I guess the PCs would cap at 20.
But 30 is a nicer, rounder number - 19 PCs, 11 NPCs.

Regarding the possibility of a grand schemer, I'm sure there will be one behind the attack on Shikoku and Matsu being held hostage - the most reasonable guess would be Takatora. But I don't think the whole conflict itself needs any puppet master - I mean, Ieyasu rebels, snuffs Hideyoshi, and now Mitsunari wants revenge. I think it's enough a premise to get the war ball rolling.
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If Ginchiyo is in she would probably be an NPC under Sorin.

But please, Don't let that vile creature Itsuki see the light of day again :sick:

The persona who attacked Shikoku is Yoshiaki, it was made pretty clear in that interview, but whatever, if you guys still want to hope for Takatora (and then be crushed by dissapointment) then by all means, hope for him.
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Says the one who still has hopes for a bigger playable roster :sly:

And if Yoshiaki is the evil mastermind behind the attack on Shikoku...itīs like making Patrick Starfish the new supervillain of Spongebob.

Yeah, I like both of them and they have their role to play, but they shouldnīt overstep it. We have Hisahide and Tenkai who are more than capable to be a badass villain who plot 30 years forward.

Yoshiaki is a NPC. And thatīs the role he should play. Backround material. Not super villain material. :facepalm:

Weīve got the hint from BK about the Numbers.

So Iīll stick with the 19 characters. Itīs not a bad deal considering all the gameplay mechanics that are added + the replay value of alternate costumes and unlockable weapons.

As well as the online mode and the other modes, besides the branching paths story mode we know of.

Also the story thatīll be told by english voice actors will make sure that the deep and well written story, will make us want to play the paths over and over again.

So hey, a small roster isnīt a bad deal considering that favourite characters like Masamune and Yukimura are playable and new great characters like Tsuruhime are added.

Even if itīs just a 15 characters roster, we should be glad that weīll get a well designed and developed game.

Since we should be glad they make another Sengoku BASARA. Itīs not that they want to make it so they can make more money, no, itīs because of us fans and thus we should be thankfull for everything they give us.

Thank you CAPCOM and Kobayashi. Thanks for taking my money and giving me so much stuff I wanted to see in BASARA :bowdown:

Seriously, I like the game so far, if they add Hisahide (itīs really sad that I have to mention this all the time) AS A PLAYABLE, Iīm all cool, even if there are no other weapons and alternate costumes and thereīs just a 16 characters roster.

I got over the fact, that weīll have to wait for the expansion for around another year...seeing as the second episode of Gundam Unicorn comes out in Autum, it seems that itīs a new trend that you have to wait for good stuff.

Since humans are gifted with an unlimited present of life: Time.
Thank god, we have so much time to waste with waiting for something :dance:

And letīs be honest here...itīs a neat game.
Characters are nice, even though half of them are worn out or I just donīt like them (damn you Tsuruhime)
The gameplay seems awesome, graphics, music too. Only thing missing is fan service in form of weapons, costumes, some characters, modes, etc...but it might follow.
The full price might be a bit of a joke for japan(considering that itīs only 40 bucks in NA) but again, if Hisahide is in, Iīll pay for it. Or better said, a friend of mine will pay for it, since I won a bet...hehehe...I like sports, especially if you win money with it :shifty:

Akiro...I wonder what youīd do if Itsuki suddenly becomes playable :ph43r:

And I wonder what Iīd do if Hisahide is a NPC and Itsuki is a playable :OMG:

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Hmmm...and I really want to know where Hondam is...his favourite character gets a gameplay video next week and he still hasnīt made a comment yet...

I hope he didnīt get into a fight with a fangirl to play the demo of Masamune or Mitsunari :o
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Fri May 7, 2010 6:54 pm.
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:uh:

Really? *sigh*

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Says the one who still has hopes for a bigger playable roster :sly:

Don't we all? I mean, I'm pretty sure that we can all agree that this game so far is lacking PCs, so we all want a bigger roster, so I don't know what you're getting at.

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And if Yoshiaki is the evil mastermind behind the attack on Shikoku...itīs like making Patrick Starfish the new supervillain of Spongebob.

Yeah, I like both of them and they have their role to play, but they shouldnīt overstep it. We have Hisahide and Tenkai who are more than capable to be a badass villain who plot 30 years forward.

Yoshiaki is a NPC. And thatīs the role he should play. Backround material. Not super villain material. :facepalm:

:uh:

Who said Yoshiaki was a badass villain? Or even a super villain? The person who attacks shikoku doesn't have to be some evil mastermind who is behind everything, they don't have to be the Nobunaga/Hideyoshi of this game, I'm not sure why you drilled it into your head that they do have to be that, because they don't. They don't even have to be evil or a villain, they could just be someone who wants the land to be united efficiently and does so. Yoshiaki fits that role to me. We don't even know what his character is like. I admit, he looks goofy and downright weird, but we don't really know how much of a joke he is. Yes, I'm sure he will provide the lulz, but I'm also sure he will add something to this game storywise, NPC or no.

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Weīve got the hint from BK about the Numbers.

So Iīll stick with the 19 characters. Itīs not a bad deal considering all the gameplay mechanics that are added + the replay value of alternate costumes and unlockable weapons.


19 IS the most likely final roster number, but like anything it isn't set in stone, so it shouldn't be referred to as the final max. Thats all I'm saying.


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Again? Really?

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And letīs be honest here...itīs a neat game.
Characters are nice, even though half of them are worn out or I just donīt like them (damn you Tsuruhime)
The gameplay seems awesome, graphics, music too. Only thing missing is fan service in form of weapons, costumes, some characters, modes, etc...but it might follow.
The full price might be a bit of a joke for japan(considering that itīs only 40 bucks in NA) but again, if Hisahide is in, Iīll pay for it

You said it yourself, "It might Follow" So then Why do you complain about it? We haven't heard anything about the other game modes, the weapons, the alternate costumes, but you act as if they aren't even there. We have NO confimration on what is to come, so we have no use complaining about it if we don't know how it is going to turn out. It might follow, thats it.

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Akiro...I wonder what youīd do if Itsuki suddenly becomes playable

I'd cringe





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