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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| Jonathan Joestar | Wed May 12, 2010 1:20 pm Post #5951 |
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Hamon User.
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Ok this is IT.....Weeks expecting a Update info a what we get????.....MORE F*****G NPC'S....What's the Deal Kobayashi???...With this I expect no MORE news...i still buy the game,but with no Joy in the HEART |
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| BlackKite | Wed May 12, 2010 1:30 pm Post #5952 |
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長宗我部菜々
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Looks like I was mistaken about the new ougi skills.
These are super skills that exceed the normal skills (but I guess still not Basara attack) A character can learn up to 3 of these super skills by leveling up. And one of these skills may be equipped for battle. Thus, a player can have at least 3 normal skills + 1 super skill = 4 skills in a battle. |
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| Balder | Wed May 12, 2010 1:35 pm Post #5953 |
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[expletive boat sounds]
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Thanks for clearing that up, BlackKite. And of course, thank you for the original scan (better late than never, I hope). Like the slow-paced, full-screen hitting Matsunaga, Sorin sounds like he's designed solely for NPC shenanigans. Now that I recall, since it's a known fact that he owned one of these babies, I suggested that Sorin's weapon would be a breech loading swivel gun. I imagined he'd be a big lad like Zabii and carry it on his back. Seems the team took a huge step further and gave him a whole tank to go with the cannon. Sorin's story seems to point out that Zabii is Francisco Xavier and not just a semi-fictional character based on him. And thanks for clearing us on the Super Skill feature. Sounds EPIC. I imagine they'll take a bit of the Basara bar, like SF's EX moves. Edited by Balder, Wed May 12, 2010 1:36 pm.
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| Claus | Wed May 12, 2010 1:44 pm Post #5954 |
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old hag
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Interesting So this batch actually isn't too bad, we get some gameplay mechanics infor, and yes, sadly some NPcs, but Its not so bad. I'm guessing you can't use these super skills whenever youm want though, there has to be some sort of delay to them, because they sound awfully powerfull. I'd love to get more info on them. Oh well, further waiting. And that confrims Zabii 100%, but is he NPC or not, thats the question. I'm guessing PC. I agree with Tetsuo on the matter, Kobayashi definitely isn't a great decesion maker, but he doesn't have the balls to pull of a move like this for no reason at all. I get the feeling there is something more to it then him just being stupid. They obviously planned to have some NPCs, most likely the previous characters like Sasuke, Kasuga, Kojuuro, Kenshin ect. But never planned for the New characters to be NPC (maybe they even wanted Tenkai playable, but they couldn't) so that would explain why all the new jokes are the NPCs, thus we will probably see some more new playable 'serious' (and by serious I just mean they really put effort into the character) characters. Though, I'm not expecting that many. By the time the game releases we will probably be thanking Kobayashi for choosing the NPcs he did. The Basara team were probably at their wits end just trying to get some playable New characters. I don't think it was ever meant to be this way, but I still have faith in the Basara team, they have done great with the games so far and know whats best for it, some of you may curse them, but I still think they're trying to save this game how ever they can. I say 4 new PCs, PC Zabii, and then not reveal Hisahide as a PC untill after the game is released for a 'Big Bang' effect. I don't realley believe the ENGLISH site would say how many characters there would be, They're probably just saying More than 15 PCs to reassure people more is to come. Also, 15+ can mean 20-22, I've seen it before. Where they over-step the amount they said they would have. NPC- One new one, Itsuki, Shingen, Musashi. Edited by Claus, Wed May 12, 2010 1:48 pm.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed May 12, 2010 1:51 pm Post #5955 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Oh my, do my eyes tell a joke or is this really some news thy waited for? We may as well have a look then... A tank riding Salazar from RE4? A bearded guy holding chainsaw blades which I allways said Hanzo should wield? Oh thereīs something there...I know these signs...N...P...C? Does it say NPC, for both? Really....REALLY? ... ... ... I love you CAPCOM. So, now you only have to: Give Hojo Ujimasa a full moveset. Give Kobayakawa Hideaki a full moveset. Give Mogami Yoshiaki a full moveset. Give Otomo Sorin a full moveset. Give Tachibana Muneshige a full movest. Make Matsu, Toshiie, Tenkai, Kenshin, Kojuuro, Kasuga, Sasuke playable. Now I get it! Itīs Kobayashiīs plan to keep BASARA alive. As long as the game, still has characters you canīt play as, the series must go on. ...Kobayashi is my hero. I love that game designer. Spoiler: click to toggle EDIT: So they are on no ones side, right? Good, then I donīt have to add someone to my...oh...are NPCs anyways... Oh wait...that indicates Zabii might be playable? That increases Itsukiīs chances as well I donīt really care for Zabii since heīs as slow as Kobayashiīs update pattern. But Itsuki...those Snowman punches are quite awesome and sheīs an ice user...canīt wait
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed May 12, 2010 1:56 pm.
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| ~in3vitableTIMING~ | Wed May 12, 2010 2:02 pm Post #5956 |
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"Thanks Partner" - Sheva Alomar
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AIIIYAAA whatever I can't be bothered no point fighting for something that wants to lose lol.with Tachibana's design its ok but nothing special and those chainsaws look really out of place those as far as themes go it a thumbs down for me because its a Shibata rip off. As for Sorin Not bad it'll grow on me only thing i don't like would be his weapon choice hes not as big as Zabii so giving him that weapon is kinda off base they could of given him Zabii's bible while he prances around singing the hymn of faith in an acrobatic manner that would be cool (weird.. a little annoying but a perfect fit for his design) and an instant rivalry/friendship is born with Tsuru.But this NPC thing is kinda getting out of hand if their not playable just don't put them in, its like making all the new characters in SSF4 NPCs in SF4 then making them playable whats the point (add them in later) I understand that animation takes a long time to perfect but its not like its at tekkens standard where it takes them 3-5 months to fully complete a characters moveset. Sengoku basara is on a lower scale so with this HIgh NPC count I leave that to the project teams bad time keeping (PLAN BETTER NEXT TIME) As for the Skill news thats GREAT if this game sticks to its online/multiplayer guns this could prove to be fun and a great selling point for the game (just DON'T forget to mention it to the WEST CAPCOM)
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| Joetri10 | Wed May 12, 2010 2:59 pm Post #5957 |
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Don't Even Pray For Me, No!
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Wait No.. No worrys, 29th of july! lol Sorry xD Edited by Joetri10, Wed May 12, 2010 3:06 pm.
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| Ultimate Legend | Wed May 12, 2010 3:30 pm Post #5958 |
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Keeping it Cool.
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*Sigh* Never mind. Thanks for checking it. Edited by Ultimate Legend, Wed May 12, 2010 3:31 pm.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed May 12, 2010 3:31 pm Post #5959 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Letīs not get so down. Deep down we allready knew something like that would happen, so expect the last playable characters to be the likes of Zabii and Itsuki. But look at it from the bright sight. Even though, they pull of that bland milking tactic...weīll see it sooner than we think Afterall Street Fighter didnīt have the the models and parts of the moveset in the game as well made polls of who should be in and thus it took them a year to make it. It might be teasing and a spit in the face, but the SB3:H characters for the expansion are allready set in stone. 70% of them are allready programmed. They donīt have to discuss who to add, programm and animate them, since most of it is allready done. Especially the veteran NPCs, most of them allready have a full movest. And I bet they allready planned the moves the new characters will use, so no sweat here either. So I wouldnīt be surprised if we see an expansion around December THIS YEAR. Of course itīs just a small light at the end, but hey, we donīt have to wait over a year for it...they canīt tell me it takes them a year to add them I understand why it took them 1 and a half year to make SB2:HEROES since A) They discussed if they should make a new installment or an expansion B) Made that poll C) Made it for the Wii too D) Added all the other stuff like the Mulitplayer mode(s) But this time, they allready have the idea of making a DLC/expansion, have all the characters, donīt have to port it to any other console, donīt have to bother with Multiplayer or online since itīs allready in SB3...so itīs just adding some new levels, story modes and characters. Nothing groundbreaking that takes years...
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| Hondam | Wed May 12, 2010 3:36 pm Post #5960 |
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Harbaugh So Hard
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****. Yes. One word- Muneshige. NPC or not, I'm 200% sold on this game. |
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| LsLights | Wed May 12, 2010 4:06 pm Post #5961 |
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Biscuit
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Nooooooo! two more characters and both NPC, why the hell would they do this and worst of all this probably means Ginchiyo will not be in this ![]() I......just.......can't.........
Edited by LsLights, Wed May 12, 2010 4:06 pm.
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| ChrisX | Wed May 12, 2010 4:21 pm Post #5962 |
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Formerly known as Neo Juste Belmont
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Well I'm glad that the NPC-ifying of Muneshige doesn't let you down one bit. I thought it might make you flip out in madness. |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed May 12, 2010 5:05 pm Post #5963 |
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Oh...oh BTW, Kobayashi actually HAS the balls to do something like that. He proved that in DMC4 more than once. I respect him for that, since normally a "superstar" who disses his fans, loses everything, but he keeps on going...really I admire that man What was the reaction on the 2chers site? I bet they are heavily celebrating the great awesomeness of this update and keep praying for Zabii and Itsuki to be playable Hey, you gotta let me be a bit negative here Muneshige will be playble at some point, as well as Tankman. Does it somewhere show what Muneshigeīs element is? I hope itīs thunder, cause then he could rotate these babies
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| eklineage | Wed May 12, 2010 5:13 pm Post #5964 |
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God of the Valkyrur
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I'm pretty certain Spectator Basara 3's last playables are gonna be either Zabii or Itsuki. Just a feeling. Hisahide is gonna be a npc again. I think they could have done better if they implemented all those enhancements with SB3 to SB2:H and just release it here. Edited by eklineage, Wed May 12, 2010 5:16 pm.
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| murakumo | Wed May 12, 2010 5:14 pm Post #5965 |
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Light It Up
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............................... I need a better look at the characters, but the little wizard boy scares me and Muneshige (chainsaws aside) looks positively uninspiring. Dear God Koba. These are awesome characters who we have wanted to be included for ages, even if they're not PC then you could at least give them good designs and not make everyone in the cast into a JOKE CHARACTER! Hey there Wu, glad to see you've stopped lurking and revealed yourself
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| Hondam | Wed May 12, 2010 5:19 pm Post #5966 |
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Harbaugh So Hard
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Nah, he'll playable soon enough. I'm just stoked as hell that my top 3 fav Sengoku figures are all accounted far in my favorite series. |
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| eklineage | Wed May 12, 2010 5:19 pm Post #5967 |
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Lately the character designs look pretty ... bland. None of these new designs are better than characters like Hideyoshi and Nobunaga or even Hanbei's for that matter. I'm wondering if Koba is doing it on purpose in making them look like joke characters. |
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| ~in3vitableTIMING~ | Wed May 12, 2010 5:30 pm Post #5968 |
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BINGO! your not the only one who's noticed that i've been saying it for ages something is OFF with these new characters
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| BlackKite | Wed May 12, 2010 5:30 pm Post #5969 |
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長宗我部菜々
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Well then, before I call it a day, here's another thing I found over there. This is the pre-release package which is for promotional purposes.![]() Notice the top left thing. It says: More than 30 characters appearing. When it is shown like this usually it will almost certainly mean the total character number will be in 2 digits, and the first digit is 3. If what Koba promised of 'more characters than previous games' which is more than 31 still stands true, then the almost final figure now would be somewhere between 32 to 39 total characters here, PC+NPC combined. Okay, that's all. Have a nice day, guys & gals. |ω・`)ノシ |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed May 12, 2010 5:32 pm Post #5970 |
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That explains why youīre so happy with the game. Mine and Mantapunkīs didnīt make it...okay...he made it...in someway... And yes, the designs look a bit bland, but not in every aspect. Sorin looks kinda awesome...while Muneshige has a bit of a "generic officer look" with some random chainsaw blades attached to him. Itīs probably because they want it to look more "serious" or itīs just that Koba really designed those characters himself Thereīs just no one that can replace Hideyoshi or Nagamasa Iīm waiting for Tsuchiīs artworks on them, but my two cents are on this: There are no artworks from him of them, cause it ainīt his designs. Koba has more than one designer and maybe some of Tsuchiīs artworks and creations were simply rejected this time. The last one that looked a bit Tsuchi were Tsuruhime and Kanbei. After that the magic left completely EDIT: And why does THIS PIC: ![]() remind me so much of recent news like this: http://www.examiner.com/x-40861-SF-Top-News-Examiner~y2010m3d21-Top-News-Pope-apology-in-sex-abuse-scandal I guess they had some influence other than Sengoku history this time And itīs simply awesome how that box actually dares to lie into your face and say more than 30 characters, without mentioning that most of them are unplayable Itīs like those cheap cornflakes surprises were it says AWESOME DECODER RING DECODE ANYTHING WITH IT and then when you open it, itīs some cheap plastic thing that falls apart when you look at it and the only thing you can decode is that stupid puzzle at the back of the cornflakesbox
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| Wurf | Wed May 12, 2010 6:00 pm Post #5971 |
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First off, thanks again for the warm welcome. Yeah, I know I picked a rather...unfelicitous time to join, but I look forward to getting to know you guys. And nice to see you here, Sofy <3 So, I know this influx of new NPCs is pretty maddening to say the least, but they must have been added for a reason. Who's to say Koba's not planning on weaving them all into an interesting and engaging storyline? Sure, they all look like joke characters (and whatever comes out of all this will bear no resemblance to the real Battle of Sekigahara whatsoever), but Basara's realm has always been that of the crazy awesome. Aside from the gameplay which has already been confirmed by everything and anything to be mind-blowingly awesome, the new story mode is what I'm looking forward to the most in this game. Maybe I'm raising my expectations a bit...well, way too high (Semblance of a plot? In MY hack-and-slash madness?) but I still think the current playables and the multi-choice system that was mentioned have a lot of potential. Your thoughts? |
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| Hondam | Wed May 12, 2010 6:15 pm Post #5972 |
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^^ Tsuchibayashi has already been confirmed as the the character designer. It's on the main site for christ's sake. |
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| HokutoNoBen | Wed May 12, 2010 6:39 pm Post #5973 |
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Supreme Warrior-Scholar
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Damn....DAMN....DAMN!!! If there was any of the prospective NPCs thus far that I was really jonesing for, it was definitely Muni. And now I find out he's voiced by one of my all time favorite seiyuu...and he's not playable. Dagger to the heart, Koba. Dagger to the heart... |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed May 12, 2010 7:08 pm Post #5974 |
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Why do you take everything I say serious...but just like you allways say we canīt blame Koba for everything just because heīs responsible for the game development, we canīt blame Tsuchi for the characters design. Why has no one mentioned this yet? High definition. Of course to a certain degree, Tsuchi has to do what they say him and it was a more probably a serious approach (as serious as Tankman and Munechainsaw are) For the most part, characters lost some of their vibes, because the other SB games were all a bit "comic/anime" like, thanks to the not quite revolutionized graphics back then. Now that they are in HD thereīs no mix between real and anime/cartoon, you can only decide for one style since itīd look awkward otherwise and thereīs only one style in BASARA 3 and the one we have now is "serious buisness". Itīs like with HD TV. Maybe some of the actors looked awesome as hell and some shows were toatally awesome but now you suddenly see some hairs growing out of their nose or that the computer animation parts really look crappy. Itīs best to explain it with this: (sorry only the german version) Okay, I also found the spanish version...I guess: LOOK AT THE HARSH REALITY It might not be the "bland designs" but the more realistic approach and looks thanks to the next gen grahpcis(their profile pictures are high quality afterall...and yes, Wii is capable of next gen grahpics )
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| ChibiGingi | Wed May 12, 2010 7:26 pm Post #5975 |
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So there might be over 30 characters present? How many are actually playable and how many will be NPCs? I guess we only have to wait and see... I'm refusing to get my hopes up in the least on this one, so until proven otherwise, I'm excepting a lot more NPCs. That way, if I'm wrong, the greatness will be even sweeter. Thanks for all the news BlackKite... I feel for you. It must be like standing in front of a firing brigade every time you bring in news, especially if it's not that great of news to begin with. Also, I can understand and respect Hondam's psyche for this game despite one of the characters he was looking forward to is an NPC. It's like me with Masanori in SW3... I freakin' love the guy to death, despite the fact that he's not playable yet. So I'm not too surprised to see him still happy for this game. I just refuse to get happy. That makes the sting of disappointment hurt all the more. |
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I'm guessing PC.
AIIIYAAA whatever I can't be bothered no point fighting for something that wants to lose lol.
only thing i don't like would be his weapon choice hes not as big as Zabii so giving him that weapon is kinda off base they could of given him Zabii's bible while he prances around singing the hymn of faith in an acrobatic manner that would be cool (weird.. a little annoying but a perfect fit for his design) and an instant rivalry/friendship is born with Tsuru.








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