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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| ZhugeJebus | Wed May 19, 2010 6:45 am Post #6351 |
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CG, you know I love you. But sometimes I worry about you. I do hope melons come in pairs and not odd numbers. I don't need a Kung Pao or Total Recall mutant. And if you're right about throwing them in as a last ditch "whatever" that will really suck, cause (even this early) us US residents won't be able to play as a "true" Nobunaga or Hideyoshi. Inevitable- Capcom should hire Donald Trump to fire Koba, then hire you. We just have to inoculate you from Jackisness disease. It may be contagious. now being as blind as I am, I cant tell too much of the character blob, but several have that Kessen 2 look of ridiculous hats. And you kinda get that "Malibu Stacy with a new hat" feel. Look I have a tiger on my hat. I don't see anything that denotes any level above DW/SW guard systems except possiby mix/matching. Could someone PM me about what Metuki or Whatever is (Whatever you keep alling Kanetsugu.) |
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| ChrisX | Wed May 19, 2010 7:14 am Post #6352 |
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What you said. I pretty much set my standards low for quite some time, so I don't get completely crushed when he says otherwise. Still, as I said, Oichi returning and Ieyasu stopped being Princess Peach is enough win for my book. So it's time I be content of what was given and stop frothing more demands that will NEVER come. Edited by ChrisX, Wed May 19, 2010 7:14 am.
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| LordKarasuman | Wed May 19, 2010 8:14 am Post #6353 |
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What's that What's that you say guys SENGOKU BASARA Edit: And by this I mean a Reunification mode... expansion... thing where every damn one of those UNPCs or whatever you're calling them are playable. Edited by LordKarasuman, Wed May 19, 2010 8:25 am.
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| wildcard | Wed May 19, 2010 8:57 am Post #6354 |
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Well, I guess it's a good thing I hadn't planned to buy this game 'new' from the start. Not saying that it comes over as a bad game, but... All of my favourites I was looking forward to playing when hearing SB3 was planned for EU are either cut, death or NPCs - except for Yukimura. From the 'new' or in Ieyasu's case re-moddeled ones no one really does tickle my fancy yet. Yes, I'm glad Kanbei is in, but other than that... I WILL be getting this game. But I refuse to pay over 30 EUR for it with the info as it is now or unless I happen to find something / someone I feel my inner fangirl to jump in joy over with and urges me to get my hands on the game ASAP. |
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| Enygma | Wed May 19, 2010 9:16 am Post #6355 |
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Wait what... 100 supportive characters and not a single playable one ![]() not even a confirmation one that there will be more PC's. I don't think that i like this update very much. Edited by Enygma, Wed May 19, 2010 9:16 am.
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| Ouelis | Wed May 19, 2010 10:44 am Post #6356 |
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I'm not sure how I feel about this. I'm not pissed off, nor exited. I'm just kinda...meh. If it's true that the unique UNPC's have their own stages, I suppose that means that there's a decent chance that rules out some expected characters, like the Amago rep. Also, it explains some other things about the skill trailer I've been wondering about. In Yoshihiro's part, he's fighting in an area with the Amago banner, but the enemy soldiers are blank i.e. they have no color or banners depicting their faction. If they're serving a UNPC that would explain why they wouldn't have any real distinction. They same happens in Oichi's part. I going to change my expectations now, and assume that we'll be getting one last PC, namely Hisahide, right at the end. There's still two months to release, so I could definitely be proved wrong but that's what I think at this point. EDIT: Also, looking at Amago's picture, it's easy to see that it's the desert-like stage Yoshihiro fought in. I must say though, I really like some of these designs. They certainly seem NPC worthy at least, from a design standpoint. Edited by Ouelis, Wed May 19, 2010 10:50 am.
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| Flashbang Incentive | Wed May 19, 2010 11:27 am Post #6357 |
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Quelis I agree with you. Pros: They all have potential to be PC's. They look awesome. Cons: THIS IS THERE STUPID WAY OF SAYING THAT THEY HAVE ALL OF THE CHARACTERS. THIS IS WHY WERE NOT GETTING ANY OF THOSE CHARACTERS WE WANTED. Because, this way, they can cancel them out and still have them in. Koba, I applaud you ultimate troll. Now, I'm not mad that these characters are in, or that you can take them to battle with you. What I'm mad about is the fact that they wasted so many opportunities to make some good characters. Basically, they took all the people that we wanted in, gave them a cooler character design than most of NPC's and PC's, and made them a UNPC. Finally, Tsuchibayashi redeems himself, 100 times, and then Koba goes and wastes every one of them. I'm not saying they should've added 100 new PC's, because that's impossible, in the time that they have, but why did they waste the really IMPORTANT CHARACTERS when they could've gave us 3 or 4 new PC's. Hisahide, save the day. AND I SWEAR IF THERE'S MY REDONE MUSASHI THAT I'VE ALWAYS IN THERE
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| BlackKite | Wed May 19, 2010 11:34 am Post #6358 |
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Before more people comment on the thing that there are 100 new NPCs, let me clarify that the total number of 100 support characters will include all PCs and UNPCs as well. And also obviously many of them will be plain generic generals. Considering the two facts above, I really don't see why people are getting so worked up at this info.
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| Enygma | Wed May 19, 2010 11:37 am Post #6359 |
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Does this mean that some of them are playable? If it does then, Woh I'm hyped again
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| BlackKite | Wed May 19, 2010 11:58 am Post #6360 |
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Yes and no.... Okay, here's my other attempt on clarifying this. Player Characters These characters are playable They are all unique in design They have very significant roles in the storyline as if they are the main characters if you play as them All of them can be selected as support characters Currently there are 15 known & confirmed characters in this category Enemy Characters These characters are non-playable They are all unique in design They have quite important roles in the storyline All of them can be selected as support characters Currently there are 12 known & confirmed characters in this category Area Warlords These characters are non-playable Their designs are semi-generic, not so unique They have minor to no important role in the storyline All of them can be selected as support characters Currently there are 6 known & confirmed characters in this category Generic Generals These characters are non-playable Their designs are not unique at all They have no important role in the storyline Some names of these characters can be selected as support characters Characters having a break These characters do not appear in the game, let alone be playable They had roles in the pre-storyline which will be referenced to a lot by appearing characters None of them can be selected as support characters, obviously Currently there are 9-10 characters in this category In short, all PCs are eligible as support characters, but not all support characters are playable. Hope that clears most of the things up.
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| Ultimate Legend | Wed May 19, 2010 11:59 am Post #6361 |
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*Sigh* No. He's saying the some of the 100 support characters will be PCs and NPCs (Like Masamune and Kojuuro). It'll be nice to have some of the NPCs fighting with you. |
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| DarkMantisTalon | Wed May 19, 2010 12:18 pm Post #6362 |
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well that is good to know that there isnt gonna be 100 generic bodyguards and you can use other unique characters well is this the only news we are getting this week? |
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| Mibu Kyoshiro | Wed May 19, 2010 12:25 pm Post #6363 |
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Since I'm late for the news,I'll just give my humble opinion on this : Muteki...is a bodyguard...HELL YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! That's about it.I'm hyped. PS : Now...if they give you nothing[like x2 exp,more stats etc] I'll be slightly pissed.Koooobaaaaaaa!!!!! |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed May 19, 2010 1:38 pm Post #6364 |
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So...instead of making Kanetsugu playable, they give him 5 buddies like the Oni-Satake and make him a unique NPC too, EVEN GIVE HIM HIS OWN DAMN STAGE and say thatīs it? Awesome. And you know, the worst part about this? I donīt see the Gohon Yari anywhere...I hope they arenīt replaced by them. And even more worse? I like some of the UNPC designs more than some of the characters we got now Does that mean, instead of adding, letīs say, Matsu and give us more boobs and playable characters that we REALLY LACK, they invested time in thinking about who to include in those around 70 characters (since the others are our HEROES) as well as who are the 6 warlords AND GVIE THEM UNIQUE MOVES AS WELL AS STAGES, thus include even more NPCs which we have MORE THAN ENOUGH? Isnīt that great? If Koba said they had to make so many characters in such a short amount of time...why waste so much of that "short amount of time"? Really? Why? Iīll NEVER use any of them, I donīt need them in Devil May Cry nor in Final Fight, why do I want one now in BASARA? Iīll get a second player if I want some team gameplay or go online, which is hopefully still in Kobaīs plans AND NOT JUST SOME LEADERBOARDS OPTION. BUT, if Hisahide is in Iīm cool. Really. I hope they took their time, next to adding all that useless stuff, to actually add one playable character we all waited for. So, as long as heīs not confirmed as a NPC (and believe me, not only a lot of us "Westboarders" want it, the japanese gamers love that guy too, so keeping the great surprise for Hisahide being a NPC till shortly before the release of the game, will surely help, to make people want the game even more ) Iīm fine with it and I donīt believe they DARE to add him as a NPC. Really.Or they really believe that A) They just silence it to death and hope no one knows about it B) They just cut him completely and hope no one knows about it C) Koba is a douchebag and just throws him out thinking itīs an awesome idea to have him as a NPC So as long code red isnīt there Iīll help the guys,who are defending it to death because they just canīt accept or stubbornly try to NOT understand why some of us donīt like the stuff Koba does/did for now: A) As Seraphil said, itīs a good way to honor some of the not so important guys in the game. Letīs be honest, we never cared for the dudes names in DW/SW/SB, they were namless grunts. But if now you really stumble upon using those bodyguards and thereīs some spear wielding guy that that really kicks some @$$ you might come to know and love that guy. Thatīs a good thing. B) There might still be characters like the Gohon Yari or the Myioshi Death Trio...just imagine having them at your side...also having Muteki screaming Kanetsugu at your side has itīs charms (though not for me who hoped for Kanestugu to be in BASARA...itīs a slap in the face to have to look at him all the time) Also a Muneshige or Sorin as bodyguard...doesnīt sound that bad. C) Also think about that: There are online (PS3) or 4 Player (Wii) VS modes and you can actually USE THEM. Now that is interesting, since itīs now a whole new depth level, since you have to not only dodge the opponents attacks but maybe the attacks of his bodyguards too. Itīll be a Pokemon BASARA online mix. That might be the only time Iīd use them, but itīd be interesting. So see? Not all that bad. Hisahide is not a NPC, so itīs a normal update. Nothing special, but nothing really bad either. Say it together: Hisahide is not a NPC yet. Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed May 19, 2010 1:45 pm.
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| Jonathan Joestar | Wed May 19, 2010 1:39 pm Post #6365 |
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Bodyguards and support sytem..M..i don't know how i feel about this.... Edited by Jonathan Joestar, Wed May 19, 2010 1:41 pm.
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Wed May 19, 2010 1:50 pm Post #6366 |
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I Just realized you can zoom in those pics. Go me. Quick trans: Left Page Aim at Sekigahara with a grand total of 100 allied generals!! Hojo Tsunanari, one of the allied generals, has the "Castle Lover" attribute; in castle stages, his "Attack UP" ability will be activated. This extends to the player character too, so choosing carefully your allies can make you much stronger. While using the Basara skill, assist abilities can be activated endlessly regardless of their conditions. Right Page Utsunomiya Hirotsuna Weapon: Lance Title: The Vagrant Moving through the Mist Info: Commander living near the mist-filled Kanagawa river. He has a ice-elemental lance, but can also perform combination attacks with a white tiger he commands. Quote: Do not feel, think! That is the way to reach victory without fighting!! Satake Hiroshige Weapon: Lance Title: Unmoving Rock-Hard Beliefs Info: Steady and honest leader of the Satake forces. His personality is incapable of any trickery. His skills involve frontal charges and flashy attacks from above. Quote: Holding back is impossible for me. I just lack the finesse for that...... Amago Haruhisa Weapon: Katana Title: One Hope Lasting One Thousand Nights Info: Owner of Gassan Toda, land of sand and wind. Strong and conscious, but ends up fleeing hidden in the sand when about to lose. Able to unleash sandstorms with the sword. Quote: This is my world....the land of mirages of sand and wind! Nanbu Harumasa Weapon: Katana Title: Immortal Spirit Info: Leader of the domain of mount Osore (can't read all the text, sorry. But mount Osore is considered the place in Japan where most spirits gather. If you read Shaman King, you'll know what I mean) Thanks to the power of mysterious incantations, he evokes the dead to attack. He can also move at extremely high speed. Quote: That gate hungers for the dead...sinful ones.... Naoe Kanetsugu Weapon: Invincible Sword Title: Absolutely Invincible Info: A general serving Uesugi Kenshin. He calls himself "the invincible main character", and with his "love" helmet shining, attacks with the invincible sword. Quote: I am the invincible main character!! I have worked hard one whole year to gain more fame! Anegakoji Yoritsuna Weapon: Katana Title: Hermit of Mountains and Forests Info: Lord of Kaerigumo castle, the "Great Heavens Castle". He loves (missing, probably nature?), protected by the forest, and is (missing) and serene. He attacks with logs and other means provided by the forest's strength. This is it! Mmh, the potential is there.....let's see the other 60 or so UNPCs now.... |
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| Mibu Kyoshiro | Wed May 19, 2010 2:16 pm Post #6367 |
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^A thousand thanks NDY. The info is very valuable.And trully it has so much potential.I'm looking extremely forward to that. Hope it makes it in a future portable Basara game too.[ ]But for now,friends,join me in the one thing that will make this news more awesome.All together : ORE WA MUTEKIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![I AM MUTEKIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!] Edited by Mibu Kyoshiro, Wed May 19, 2010 2:19 pm.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed May 19, 2010 2:29 pm Post #6368 |
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He can call up Sandstorms? Heīs a Gaara? They wasted that on a unique NPC? The ability to controll wind and sand? Really....REALLY? And a ice ability unique generic NPC? You do know that the only playable ice user is Tsuruhime...and she doesnīt use it very often. There is no. real. ice user. Itīs dead. Ujimasa? NPC. Kenshin? NPC. Itsuki? Maybe sheīs in Disnleyland. And now a UNPC has the ice element? Sorry for whining again, but my favourite element gets screwed over next to a new cool elemental mix that is wasted on someone who couldīve been so much more. Also, he fights with a damn Tiger...for the love of god, did they get so much attention. Give us a playable Sand/Wind user. Give us a playable Ice/Tiger user. And then thereīs one that can use Zombies. ZOMBIES. HE FIGHTS WITH ZOMBIES......I think Iīm gonna cry... Oh man...so many NPC and now so many UGNPCs...whatīs next? AUGNPCs? Allmost unique non-playable characters? Oh, they are allready there, they are the ones that you can select as bodyguards but arenīt unique enough to be called UGNPCs. Great, we now have A LOT of NPCs, some UGNPCs and more AUGNPC we can count on 12 hands. Sorry for the negative thinking...but damn...so much potential...so many good ideas...wasted...why...for the love of god, jesus, the world and cloned sheeps...why did they give so much attention to that and not to playable characters...and no ice element...no sandstorms...no Zombies...we can only watch them using those awesome attacks ...Hisahide is not a NPC, Hisahide is not a NPC, Hisahide is not a NPC... Damn...really...damn...this reminded me again...NO ice user... Thereīs not a SINGLE real ice user to play as. Just an ice skate dancer that shoots pink sparkly arrows. Koba...what is wrong with you? Havenīt you seen Bleach? There are ice dragons in it and he can fly with ice wings. Havenīt you seen One piece? Thereīs a guy that can FREEZE THE OCEAN. Yes. Freeze people and the ocean. See? See what you can do with the ice element with a little imagination? Why...why do you hate it so much?
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| HokutoNoBen | Wed May 19, 2010 2:47 pm Post #6369 |
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To me, what makes it less painful is, again, to think of these Uniques as "walking, talking power-ups". That's what their purpose seems to be. Hopefully, they'll at least get to Musashi's level of PC-ness by the expansion.
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| Mibu Kyoshiro | Wed May 19, 2010 2:52 pm Post #6370 |
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^Glad to see that we can still be optimistic. [Maybe my otimism is working? ]@DK : Now,now,come one DK.Cheer up.If you think reall positive and be really um...hot[?] about the matter,even if it is outside the field of your activites it might work... Or you might wait for the jawsome Heroes expansion... PS : Ok,Koba is zh1t,even I doubt he paid the correct amount of attention to the game or the franchise...not surprising since very few Capcom emps care about the fanbase...But keep your chin up.Everything will be ok... Unless they pull this kind of Crap : Japan gets this,US and EU pCS them all[except maybe for some generals...] and we get the Heroes exp as a "mercy Final Mix" with some more PCs... |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed May 19, 2010 3:03 pm Post #6371 |
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Well, the only fact that really makes me sad is that: They added a character who can call up Sandstorms. Heīs the Gaara/Sir Crocodile of BASARA. And heīs a unique generic non-playable character. There are NO ice users. No one uses the ice to freeze and crush people. Only NPCs. And now another...no...a unique generic nonplayable gets the ice element...with tigers... And man. Someone who fights with undead. He calls up Zombies. ZOMBIES. He fights with an army screaming "Braaaaaaains"...and heīs...not playable...not even a NPC...how long will it take them to be playable characters? How long till we get our hands on those awefully wasted ideas? Why did they give so much attention to stuff you canīt play as...and no ice element...
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| Balder | Wed May 19, 2010 3:11 pm Post #6372 |
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necrosis, T'was a hyperbole, Sir. Of course that it's core SB3 will remain a action title, but they seem to be adding a lot of strategic elements in this entry, making it appear more similar to Koei's offerings. BlackKite, Thanks for the clarification. If the 100 generals count everyone from PCs to named grunts, then it's certainly not as complicated as I first imagined. NDY, Thanks for the translations. Some very interesting skills, especially with a necromancer thrown in the mix. Assuming that the AI will also have this type of assistance, the game can end up being the toughest hack n' slash ever. Even though I think that theoretically this type of feature diverts from the point of the series, which would be controlling a unstoppable juggernaut that can single handedly decide a mass scale battle, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. If it ends being like Devilsking mentioned, and the allies will play a role during online VS, then it might prove to be quite entertaining in the end. Also, their presence, as allies or opponents, is a positive indication of the game's difficulty. Alas, I am somewhat tired of all this in dubio pro Koba. And I'm still rather disheartened we most likely won't be getting a playable Shikokan. Ditto for anyone else new, really.
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| Ouelis | Wed May 19, 2010 4:34 pm Post #6373 |
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I understand your pain DK. Ice is my favorite element as well and it's a shame that it's been so overlooked so far. And it's not like it's only been this time around. Of the...39 total unique characters in the Basara-verse, only 4 have the ice element. I annoys me a fair amount as well. And yeah, those skills seems wasted on UNPC's. Well, I'm certain that even if there's only one more PC to go, there should be a couple more NPC's so I hope we get to see some really cool abilities from them. Looking ahead, who would you like to see KG fight tomorrow? Personally, I'd like to see Sorin and Shiggy in action. Either them, or Kobacross and Mitsukai. |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed May 19, 2010 4:52 pm Post #6374 |
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Okay, calmed myself. But it was quite hard to take. They took out several of my favourite characters, made my favourite ice character a NPC, as well as my favourite female and other characters, gave the last playable ice user spot to a girl shooting sparky pink arrows, made the two characters I wanted to be playable unique NPCs and on top of that it becomes more and more likely that the most badass character who has been a NPC in two times in a row, gets the NPC spot again... So I hope you all understand why some damn Devil May Cry and Pokemon ripped off gameplay features wonīt really make up for all that is lost. Favourite characters, favourite element, most wanted characters...all screwed up. My only hope left is Matsunaga...if they take him away as well... I hope you were right Balder and we know the full roster 1 month before itīs release, since itīd shorten the wait till we finally know the fate of our most favourite character Well, moving on...Iīd like to see him fight the Maedas...we could use some funny interactions now to lighten up the mood. Though some Sorin tank action isnīt too bad either. Well 10 weeks to go. 10 chances for Koba to finally start the hype train as HnB said. Letīs hope for the best. Just a sidenote. I know Iīm not the only one whoīd be dissapointed, but I bet Iīm the only one who would not buy the game if Hisahide is a NPC (look at what I posted before, itīs not only because of Hisahide, but itīd be the thing thatīd be too much ) but who would at least allmost be as dissapointed as me?Iīm asking since I can allready see those saying "Hisahide is just a character, look at the shiny graphics and awesome gameplay, heīll become playable at one point. Look AT TEH GRAFIX AND TSURUHIME RACKING UP COMBOS"...though that argument doesnīt work, since itīd be the third time we say that heīll be playable some time Again, nothingīs set in stone, but MoM has some valid reasons to doubt Hisahideīs playable debut. And Iīm starting to get this feeling as well seeing the 85 NPC festival here Just want to know, if Iīd stand there alone being pissed off about that decision.
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| LsLights | Wed May 19, 2010 4:52 pm Post #6375 |
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So basara ets bodyguards....... well i think it's good and so there are 100 characters in total right, include PCs,UNPCS and just generic NPCs, i honestly rather great, so you can't play as them all, big whoop it still kinda adds more depth to the game and i think some of the officers on there looked rather cool, so does this mean no moer playable characters? |
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