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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| Mr.Honda | Wed May 19, 2010 5:15 pm Post #6376 |
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Haha, awesome. This I have to see. I have to say my interest in this game increases with each update. Doubtful I'll pick it up though (same category as SW3), but it looks like it'd be fun
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| Ouelis | Wed May 19, 2010 5:16 pm Post #6377 |
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The Smooth Sound of the Ocean
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Well, even though it wouldn't keep me from buying the game, if Matsunaga really would return as an NPC again, I would be ROYALLY pissed off. And I really wouldn't be the one trying to spin it or hold up other features to try to be able to justify that decision. Matsunaga just has to be in as a PC. Period. |
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| BlackKite | Wed May 19, 2010 5:21 pm Post #6378 |
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Just a tidbit, for those who are worrying that there might be no more new playable characters. I just checked the official site again, and the file number for the first listed NPC: Hideaki is chara_20, while the file number for the last listed PC: Kotarou is chara_15. Well, I don't know whether this will change in future updates, but I still believe there will be 19 playable characters total; 4 unannounced characters left.
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| Ouelis | Wed May 19, 2010 5:42 pm Post #6379 |
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Hm, so Kobacross HAS taken the 20th spot from Kojuro. I think that's a fair argument for 19 PC's in that case. Of course, there's nothing set in stone since the site might change again but for now I think that one can assume that what you're saying could be true BK. By the way, I forgot to mention thanks for the scans as always BK. Ten weeks to go. |
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| Mibu Kyoshiro | Wed May 19, 2010 5:45 pm Post #6380 |
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^Thanks for the info BlackKite.Dibs on Musashi...more like wish.Musashi...Sorry.[Goes back to RGG : Kenzan]. |
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| Claus | Wed May 19, 2010 5:55 pm Post #6381 |
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Plus take the fact that there are 60 new body guards, and thus NPC and PC take up the rest of space. Making it set in stone that we will have 40 Heroes. My guess 20 NPC 20 PC. I don't know why, but 19 just doesn't seem right to me. I think we'll see the next four PCs before the release,. then get Hisahide later, and then maybe they won't update him on the site. Thats just what I think though.So, those 6 unique Bodygaurds will be fun to use. Necromancy, ice tigers, sandstorms, Naturefreak, MUTEKI! And guy who is majorly outshined. I look forward to seeing them. And being able to use the NPCs as Bodygaurds is pretty cool, at least I can watch them play right? Okay, that doeasn't sound so awesome after writing it, but I do mean it when I say having them back me up whenever and whereever I want helps bandage the wound their un-playableness has left, but it doesn't heal it. Still, the bodygaurds seem interesting, Though, I can't say I'll use most of the generic mooks.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Wed May 19, 2010 5:58 pm Post #6382 |
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Well, I have a strong ally allready, so Iīm not alone in that regard. Makes one feel better if it really comes to the worst case Also, as BK said, thereīs still that chara_15 thing. Thanks to the news and heads up from BK and NDY (again thanks for providing us with all those news ) we can say one thing:Zabii is out for good. That means Shingen is too. They said heīs ill and lies in bed. Though it didnīt rule out a NPC inclusion for him. Now that Zabii is gone too, thereīs not much room for Shingen, since it makes little sense for Shingen to be a NPC if he is so ill that he canīt even move and Yukimura has to take over. So all thatīs left is Hisahide, Musashi, Kennyo and Itsuki. Seeing as the joke characters seem to take a break for the most part, (no playable Maeda couple, Zabii is on holidays, all the newly added joke characters are non-playable, Ujimasa is the translator for Kotaro, no orgasm scenes from Kasuga and even the Oyakata-sama moments have been taken out with Shingen...) it leaves little reason for little Itsuki to be in this one. Maybe the manga will give us some backstory on her, werenīt Mitsunari and Ieyasu sent there to stop Itsukiīs peasant rebellion? Do you think Mitsunari would let her survive? I guess something happened to the peasants and Itsuki that made Ieyasu question the way Hideyoshi handles such things and that mightīve been the start for Ieyasuīs rebellion. The other 3 characters though have a high chance of being in as a NPC, moreover a playable character. We know the reasons for Hisahide and Musashi. But why Kennyo? Well, he was an important figure and didnīt get much attention for now. He has a debt to Hideyoshi in history and had a lot of relations with the Saika, as well as the Mori. He had a long history with the Oda and Toyotomi and thus also with the Tokugawa in certain ways. The monk warriors never died out, they allways kept resisting and teaming up with certain factions. They allways resisted till the end. Of course he might be cut out completely, appear in cutscenes only or is a NPC, but for him to be playable is not that of an impossible decision. Also now that Shingen is gone, they might keep his moveset and tweak it a little to make it original. Itīd be good since Shingen needed a bit of a makeover and I thought the moveset fitted Kennyo more Though I guess NDY and I would be the only one happy about a playable Kennyo...and I understand that somehow EDIT: Okay, just read the manga. You should all go read it. It explains the reason why Masamune allmost killed Yukimura back then (he warned him in the manga, that the next time they meet it wonīt be a "game" anymore...itīll be the last time they meet) also it shows Masamune protecting Itsuki from Toyotomi troops and telling her to let "real Samurais" hanlde the dirty buisness. He doesnīt want the hands that make such good rice balls, be tainted with blood. So basically in indicates that Itsuki is not dead or anything like that, but might have "retired" and leaves it to "swirly brother" or better said the Azure Dragon. Since weīve allready seen Hisahide in one of the Manga pics, back then when it was revealed, I hope that weīll know what itīs about. My fear is that, since Hanbei said heīll make the Date crawl on his feet at the end of Chapter 1, this might mean he allready has someone for the job...seeing that Matsunaga was more than capable of it, he might be the one Hanbei talks about...and we all know how this will end right? Who would lose...Masamune, the beloved fangirl favourite or Matsunaga? Oh man...please donīt die in some pointless manga Hisahide...though Mitsuhide was claimed "defeated" but never shown to be dead. Also it seems that everyone assumes that Mitsuhide couldnīt have survived that battle, so here you have your explanation why everyone believes Tenkai is really someone else...though I think not many will be fooled by that Also in the Manga Itsuki really shows some "balls". Sheīs a really capable leader and a strong character. Donīt let her voice and design fool you, sheīs more badass then that useless Tsuruhime that "protects the sea with a bang". Iīd rather take Itsuki with her SB3 Manga personality then the SB3 Tsuruhime we have now. And before you say anything Akiro, read the manga. She really got a major improvement. BTW...does anyone know when the second chapter finally comes out? Mangahelpers doesnīt have a date...and itīs been a while now
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| ~in3vitableTIMING~ | Wed May 19, 2010 6:07 pm Post #6383 |
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"Thanks Partner" - Sheva Alomar
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The discrption of those UNPCs sound fantastic if they became playable before the "new" NPC no complaints here.As for the new possible PC that could be added i'm all for that Just make one of them a Kasuga-like replacement (I mean Design-wise) theres way too little females in this that actually look good or are of age (just 3 well designed female characters would be enough but thats strangely not the case ) oh and I hope one of thems Matsunaga he has to be a must! but going on what DK said where are the Gohon Yari? wont the power rangers return... |
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| ChibiGingi | Wed May 19, 2010 7:52 pm Post #6384 |
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Booyaka, Booyaka
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That's uplifting at least. Beating a dead horse here, but I'm really hoping two are females (and not Itsuki)... but, again, thou shall not waste hope on that. Tis silly. |
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| Aznwarria | Wed May 19, 2010 8:34 pm Post #6385 |
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To me, im just gonna go ahead and count the 6 warlords as NPCS...i mean, they look freaking awesome! they HAVE potential to be NPCS! I mean, the 2 long named ppl, Hirotsuna and Yoshituna...look amazing. ESPECIALLY hirotsuna, with the tiger and the ice and that long spear! HE LOOKS FReAKING AMAZING I WANT TO PLAY HIM. i have officialy earned respect for these 2 lol. Yoshishige...i guess he deserves to be an UNPC, but it could've been better if the Satake and Amago(especially) to be NPCS....they are just that important. Nanbo looks cool with his zombie attacks....a emo guy version of oichi? well hes not emo hes just creepy and badpatootie. Man....so these 6 ppl are freaking awesome... Although i wouludve prefered ppl like Kato,Masanori,Ukita(maybe), Sakon, Hosokawa to be of the 6 instead of nanbu,hirotsuna,yoshitsuna. but i love their designs....they look as good as Yoshiaki's...otomo...etc. but i guess we do need to honor them.. seriously, what are the importance of Yoshituna,horitsuna, and nanbu? whats koba's thoughts? |
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| DarkMantisTalon | Wed May 19, 2010 8:40 pm Post #6386 |
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well i like those six UNPCs and hopefully in the expantion they become PCs but with new weapons and movesets. so i had a few weapon ideas for a couple of them. i still need time to memorize there names so im gonna name them by my description of them: blue and white tiger guy's new weapon should be tiger claws since he uses a white tiger to fight. the old ninja looking guy should use a kusari-gama (idk if i spelled that right) but i think it totally fits him. and idk what else the other guys should use. oh and i really hope there is another batch of these awesome UNPCs with unique appearances like the six we have seen. Edited by DarkMantisTalon, Wed May 19, 2010 8:44 pm.
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| Flashbang Incentive | Wed May 19, 2010 8:57 pm Post #6387 |
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Basically, I think that everything is going to be cleared up now. I'm actually happy now. Because I jus tthought of something. If all PC's can be used as bodyguards, just think of the possibilities. Playing as Mitusnari, with Ieyasu beside you. Masamune and Kojurro. MOST IMPORTANTLY: YUKIMURA AND MASAMUNE!!!!!!!! I think Koba got a new idea. He is going to not announce Hisahide at all. No NPC. No PC. No bodyguard. Then, when you beat everyone's story mode, you unlock him. Nuff said. |
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| Ultimate Legend | Wed May 19, 2010 9:32 pm Post #6388 |
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Muneshige / Yoshihiro & Tadakatsu Hisahide & Kotaro This is why I like it. So many possible matchups. |
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| LordKarasuman | Wed May 19, 2010 9:52 pm Post #6389 |
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Yes my Sweetest
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You know, if Harumasa can summon the dead as independent troops, then having him around would be like having an army with you wherever you go. ... Well, so long as he can do so consistently. Kind of an interesting quirk for a game that's all about wrecking swaths of enemy forces on your own. |
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| ZhugeJebus | Thu May 20, 2010 12:08 am Post #6390 |
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He probably picked a few from the mid to low range just so there is still "hype" about the mid to high tiers could be PC. I bet koba used to have a magnifying glass and an ant farm, or pulled the wings of flys. But it is still coming to the US. And I will buy a new copy, just to hope on other future releases. |
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| RTsharpshooter | Thu May 20, 2010 1:16 am Post #6391 |
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Thank you, BK. The prophecy has come to pass ![]() Those last four slots...Hisahide, naturally, would be great as a PC (not to mention the prospect of an ENTIRE story mode as him...too awesome to pass up ).The other 3 slots I would hope will go to new characters, and as CG said, more females would be very welcome (2 would be a blessing at this point). The idea of Musashi returning is sort of waning for me, not that it would be bad or anything, I'm just doubting it will happen now. Kennyo seems a bit unlikely, as well. As for Itsuki, although I do actually like using her (blitzing through a level as her while listening to some old school J-Pop is friggin' radical ), I'd rather see a new female(s) coming in.KG's video: I too hope he fights Toshiie & Matsu. Edited by RTsharpshooter, Thu May 20, 2010 1:18 am.
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| The Outsider | Thu May 20, 2010 1:30 am Post #6392 |
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Just a curious question, doesn't anybody find it strange that Otani Yoshitsugu got the add who is close to Ishida but Sakon Shima did not (as of yet), both are close but he's not even PC. I mean, it's Sakon, how could he not be a main line-up for Sekigahara? Or are people accepting it by saying, "it's Basara"? |
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| Claus | Thu May 20, 2010 1:41 am Post #6393 |
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Because Shima Sakon is overrated. He never did anything. He wasn't even that close to Mitsunari. Mitsunari had a right hand man (Otani Yoshitsugu) and a 'left hand man' (I'm using this term loosely, His name escapes me at the moment too, I think it was something Ukon), So Sakon was neither. He didn't contribute much to the battle itself either. His entire army was slaughtered a couple minutes in by Canons and Musket fire. Sakon, though a fun addition, and I would like to see him myself, isn't needed or important. I still say KG will be fighting the Zabii cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuult~ Just because he was fighting them in the skill vid. The Maedas are highly likely though too. I wouldn't mind seeing some Matsu-Toshi action myself, but The newbies to the basara-verse are on the top of my 'to see' list.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Thu May 20, 2010 1:50 am Post #6394 |
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Well, as for Sakon...he is one of the most overrated persons in the Sengoku era. Of course, everyone who fights and dies for his believes and dreams deserves to be honored in some way. But letīs be honest...what do you know besides him being shot as one of the first in the battle of Sekigahara? Nothing? Yep. Thatīs right. Look at his samurai-archives profile: Shima Sakon, also known as Shima Tomoyuki, was initially a retainer of Tsutsui Junkei. He left the service of the Tsutsui and later became a retainer of Ishida Mitsunari. He was one of Mitsunari's chief lieutenants during the Sekigahara Campaign. He quarreled just prior to the battle with Shimazu Yoshihiro when the latter suggested a night attack, which Shima opposed. He commanded 1,000 men at the Battle of Sekigahara but was struck by rifle fire and died on the battlefield. Why is there no Ukita Hideie would be the better question, in a game about Sekigahara, but they can pass it up as "itīs BASARA". Sakon on the other hand...maybe Koba and the rest didnīt feel like following Koeiīs hype and include him while others get the shaft? As for the roster... Well, up for some theories? Of course itīs only speculation, but hey, itīs there to lighten up the mood Spoiler: click to toggle
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| The Outsider | Thu May 20, 2010 1:50 am Post #6395 |
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The Demon's Rival
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Just the whole story about him though should be enough, he began with Shingen who is absent and went all the way through to Seki, he would have had some good scenes with Yuki, can't deny that. I mean, don't mean to raise up old, dirty waters, but look at Tsuru, she has been made into the game, never mind being a PC out of 100 UNPCs . I just think Sakon should get something out of that injustice .You know who's taking my fancy however, It'll have be Kanbei, I love the looks of him for SW3 and I'm not usually one for the, you know, 'peculiar' type characters, but, he's top notch for that. In this, the whole imprisonment and 'hidden intentions' story is really taking my fancy, a lot. Just thought I'd mention. Edited by The Outsider, Thu May 20, 2010 1:52 am.
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| ChibiGingi | Thu May 20, 2010 2:03 am Post #6396 |
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But I thought his whole ordeal with Shingen was either insignificant or completely made up by Koei to give the Takeda more officers? At least I don't recall reading he had any big relationships or anything really significant to do with Shingen anyway. Then again, I'm no history nut. I don't really think he's needed in this game; if anything, he could be one of the guys we've seen in the group shot of the support characters. Anyone see a character with a giant BULLSEYE on him? |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Thu May 20, 2010 2:06 am Post #6397 |
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I bet some will need some time to understand that joke, but damn...you made my day or better said night
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| Claus | Thu May 20, 2010 2:08 am Post #6398 |
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This is why people shouldn't take video games as a source of info. Sakon never fought for Shingen. Or even the Takeda. He doean't even have any major exploits in any battle that I know of. He really didn't do anything. @DK: Those are some good theories there. Especially on the Itsuki part, that seems plausible. But, of course, I just can't agree with you on the Kennyo and Musashi part. I get the feeling many people are NPCs partly for not having fully complete or origional move sets. And since Two skill Musashi, and Shingen clone Kennyo are incomplete, I say they're taking a break too. Especially Musashi, I don't get why so amny people are dead set on him being in, but I just don't see it. Koba even said the only person who will grow up is Ieyasu, yet so many people are STILL wishing for a grown up, badass Musashi, while in reality, he will just end up as the same kid. I see him as NPC. Kennyo, I just get the feeling he will be NPC too. Though, I'm not opposed to him being in. I always liked Shingen's move set, and I would like to get to try Kennyo out. LOL@ Chibi's joke XD |
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| Aznwarria | Thu May 20, 2010 2:10 am Post #6399 |
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yeah seriously...where the hell is UKITA?! he was majorly important, probably more important than tadakatsu or hideaki or masamune or hojo or saika or tsuruhime, etc etc. hes more important than otani yoshitsugu's role on the other side... geez if hes not in this....id just laugh. he has a lot more stuff than sakon. or hosokawa. or satake/amago. or kato/fukushima |
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| BlackKite | Thu May 20, 2010 2:15 am Post #6400 |
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Regarding Sakon & Yoshitsugu, I think I remember reading an interview excerpt in 2ch where Koba & the team were deciding who they should add between the two of them since they could only add one Mitsunari's friend, and after a tough debate they finally decided to pick Yoshitsugu. |
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I think we'll see the next four PCs before the release,. then get Hisahide later, and then maybe they won't update him on the site. Thats just what I think though.
And being able to use the NPCs as Bodygaurds is pretty cool, at least I can watch them play right? Okay, that doeasn't sound so awesome after writing it, but I do mean it when I say having them back me up whenever and whereever I want helps bandage the wound their un-playableness has left, but it doesn't heal it. Still, the bodygaurds seem interesting, Though, I can't say I'll use most of the generic mooks.
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