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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:39 pm Post #651 |
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Well, weīll see. Iīll just look away on Ieyasu and Mitsunari gameplay videos. If there are any I still would like it more, if they at least, release the demo on PSN/Wii online market, so everyone can enjoy the game and not just some people who are lucky enough to go to the TGS and may not even be SB fans. They wonīt appreciate what they see, spread news of it being bad since everyone has different opinions and then there will be rumors about this and that and we can again only speculate if itīs true or not. Just think about the "Fix facts, Famitsu thing". Everyone jumped into conclusions, just because of two words. Whatīll happen if opinions from people who hate BASARA or just donīt like these kind of games or styles, reach the net and spread? Meh. Thatīs why I hate it when people play games before everyone else. They should be objective, but no one is able to do that, because everyone has an opinion and most of the time canīt hide it. But again, let us wait and see. Maybe thereīs a demo on the TGS or not, a demo online or not, etc... One fact remains. Still one month full of bored waiting.
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| Manta Punk | Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:48 pm Post #652 |
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I'm pretty sure Capcom will present us with a demo as they have with the past 2 games.I'm betting it's either a stage featuring Ieyasu or Mitsunari to give fans a 'feel' of the new characters. Well,even if they don't present us with a demo,i'm sure they'll give us a gameplay video as Koboyashi has stated he has "Plenty of those".Perhaps we'll even see these 'Character specific actions' they've been taunting us with and maybe we'll even get a Tsuchibayashi promotional poster... I hope.Anyway,this TGS will be one to remember. I'm hoping we'll see some cool in-game moves inspired by the anime.I've always wanted to use Yukimura with his two spears connected...I'm sure we'll get something like that now with Kojirou's and Masamunes alternative 'S-strings'...but only time will tell. Speaking of 'S-strings',I know you,HnB,aren't too fond of them but perhaps with the new 'Action focused' gameplay they'll be more of a joy to use.I myself,only use it to rack up combo's but I do agree with you,They do need work to make them more enjoyable. Perhaps we can use them to link 'skills' better and maybe they even give us chances to pull off 'Air-combo's' (Dammit Capcom,put them in )Well,whatever they'll do with this new gameplay...i'm sure they won't dissapoint. |
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| Hondam | Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:47 pm Post #653 |
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I'm kinda confused about these statements. What will happen if these currently non-existing rumors spread after TGS? Uhm...nothing? I don't think rumors based on a demo from an uncompleted game have ever brought harm or negativitiy to a franchise, or at least on the severity you're predicting, especially BASARA. A) Why would they? SB3 isn't the second coming, and it surely doesn't hold the kind of weight you've given it to be affected by the extreme off chance of a negative rumor blowout. B) It's BASARA, at the Tokyo Game Show, going to be played by japanese fans (the ones who have kept the series going entirely). Of course there may be a couple of unsatisfied players, but who cares? We all know we will still love the game, as well as pretty much everyone else who knows the franchise. I think you're just worrying a bit too much about the demo. |
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| Ultimate Legend | Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:26 pm Post #654 |
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Well I believe that Sengoku BASARA and Sengoku Musou are both going to have demos ready for TGS. It'll most likely be their best chance to get new people into the series as well keep their fans excited. |
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| HokutoNoBen | Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:54 pm Post #655 |
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It really will boil down to how they are used. Hopefully For example, Bayonetta, a game I'm very much looking forward, uses a variation of "String-based" combat. But the beauty of it lies in the notion that there are SO MANY alternate strings, and you can cancel out of any of them, and begin a new combo, it just makes for much more in the way of "Free-form" combat. And that's what I desire the most. Kobyashi and the gang are free to pursue whatever means necessary to do that, in my eyes. |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:09 am Post #656 |
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As I said the main reason for me not liking "event-demos only" is that some get to play the game and we donīt. And then you COULD count in the fact, that some of those who played the game, give their opinion. And if that opinion is a bad one, itīll start some doubts. Thatīs all. It may happen. The earth could be hit by the moon before we play BASARA 3. That may happen too. Iīm the type of human who thinks about every possible and impossible situation that may occur. Even about the most trivial and unimportant thing, Iīll think about so many scenarios this may end up...itīs a habit I canīt turn off, thatīs what makes me taking this "so serious". You see, thatīs what I meant people are different. You couldnīt imagine it, the demo hurting the hype of BASARA or BASARA itself, Krat. But I do, so itīs just my unimportant opinion. I allways tend to think of every situation and pick out the worst scenario. Since the BASARA games, never failed to impress me till now, looking at the teaser, the site, the pictures and the new designs of characters/new characters makes me feel that even if they show a demo of BASARA 3, it canīt end up so bad, that I wouldnīt buy it. So if I count all that together the worst possible situation for a demo of BASARA 3 on the TGS would be that it doesnīt reach some peopleīs expectations and they start to talk confusing stuff, like in the situation with the "fix facts famitsu"-thing. Itīll spread and start up some unpleasant rumors and would leave doubts within the BASARA fans. Thatīs why I came to that conclusion. Iīve allready got myself into a discussion about something so "unimportant" and I canīt turn back now, thatīs why I want you to at least understand me a bit and why Iīm so serious about it. It may seem, that Iīm a little bit obsessed with all this, but hey, everyone has his little obsession. For some it may be sports, for some being a part of some religion, for some gambling and well mine is thinking about a lot of things that donīt even really concern me or may just never ever happen and art. Yes. Movies are art. Books are art. Games are art. Life is art. I love every kind of art, thatīs out there in this world. But just because everthings art, doesnīt mean everythingīs a beautifull art that I admire. Every creation is art, in itīs own way, but not every art is ART. Some simply lack the love to details or love itself, some may simply lack of, how should I put it "soul". You know when something is done with love, with the will to create something thatīll reach out. (Thatīs probably the reason I like Deidara from Naruto a lot, since heīs obesessed with art too )And in my eyes BASARA is art too. Of course itīs made with the thought of earning money, since companys donīt live from love and life alone. But it has itīs own crazy but at the same time beautiful style, itīs own lovable and fletched out characters that just overflow with personality and itīs own interesting story that often even touches ones heart. Itīs something that games today, kinda seem to miss. They are not art anymore. Thereīs no love, no soul in those games anymore. You can only feel the greed for money behind it. Thatīs why BASARA fascinates me. CAPCOM took the step and made the game for PS3 and Wii. It took the step no one expected, to reach as many players as possible. You can feel that they want to take this series into the next generation and that theyīve really put a lot of work behind this. I know, Iīm probably the only one who understands what Iīm saying, but for me, this is art. To create something that will reach many people, to put all that you have into something and then give it even more. Thatīs one reason I really like it and the other one is that BASARA is a lot of fun to play Thatīs why I take something as unimportant as a "maybe"-scenario for a demo of BASARA 3 on the TGS so serious. Cause it could sully this wonderfull art I admire so much, just because some are ignorant of all this. People are afterall using their brain more often than their heart. Thatīs why we live in a cold and heartless world in which everything is possible. Even a worst case scenario for a game demo. Thatīs all, you see?(tries to imitate Masamune) Thanks for the long read and taking this little tour through a small part of DKīs mind. Hope you liked it and that youīve somehow came to understand my thinking and the meaning behind those posts. Hope with that we can let the whole "It doesnīt make sense, why a demo of BASARA 3 would be bad"-thing be. |
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| Manta Punk | Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:54 pm Post #657 |
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I get what you mean DK.We all have our little 'pet peeve's'. It's nice to know you think of everything as Art,that's a great perspective on things ![]() Anyway,This week we'll get to hear Ieyasu's voice so that's something to look foward to atleast.Speaking of Ieyasu,many of us want an alternate costume of him with his hood up but don't you think a alternate costume is too much just so he can potray his 'Gangsta' style? Let me put it this way,the alternate costume's on BASARA are great.Most of them completely differ from the original and I prefer many of them to the original (Motonari's come to mind).So basically,what i'm saying is,that if Ieyasu's alternate costume is just him wearing his hood i'd think it'd be a waste.Don't get me wrong though,i'd love to play as 'Gangsta' Ieyasu but i'd prefer it if it was his taunt that gave him teh hood. And now that Yukimura and Masamune have these new skills,what do you think about other character's getting some? I know,for a start,Capcom needs to make the 'Incomplete character's'...complete and add all the new character's but I wouldn't mind some skill tweaking on the older character's to keep them 'fresh' and appealing to long time fans. |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:58 pm Post #658 |
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If there'll be a SB3 demo at the TGS, be sure that only passionate Basara fans will play it! (me too, if I get lucky...) And that, if anything, will spread only awesome rumors about it... |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:11 pm Post #659 |
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Ah, with you on the frontline, I know, nothing can go wrong, Makishima But if someoneīs up there, plays the game and says something stupid like Grand Theft Autoīs graphics are better and plays better, go get him some nice Hideyoshi-grabs and throw him of the stage. Such people who try to compare BASARA with something else, shouldnīt be the ones to play it. As often as Iīve said something about a war between SW3 and SB3, in reality you canīt even compare those two games. Even if itīs the same genre in the same time period, they are totally different, in so many ways.... So people should just play and try the game and find out what they truly like. They shouldnīt let them influence by other people. And as everyone said, thatīs what demos are for. Just try to find out if you like it or not. And not sully itīs name, just because he likes Halo more. And the thing you mentioned about Iyeasu, MP, I thought of it too. I guess one solution would be that he has two different taunt animations. One were he sets up his hood and one were he puts it down again. So eveyone could play the Ieaysu he wants and we would still have the chance for a great second or even third costume. Since an alternate costume with just "hood on", would really be a waste, since most of the time, the second outfits are even crazier
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| Manta Punk | Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:14 pm Post #660 |
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That's exactly what I thought. ![]() Man,slow day,eh? Although I suppose there's not much to discuss until the next batch of information.I'm just eagerly awaiting for Kanetsugu's announcement,as my sig portray's.I wonder what type of personality the new character's will have,I mean,BASARA's running low on the stereotype's .We have our cool one, hyper one, sadistic one, evil one, 'House-wife' one, obsessed one, honourable one and so on.Perhap's a sarcastic persona for one of the new character's...? I just want to see someone impersonate Masamune's Engrish
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:35 pm Post #661 |
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Well, thatīs what I meant with information overflow is a bad thing. This will drag on, since only Ieyasuīs voice will be here for us to discuss this week(though I hope we get a pic of that mysterious flying character )Well, stereoptypes. We are still missing someone whoīs allways full of sorrow, cause he canīt stand seeing all the people dying. Means one, who allways mourns for all the people he slayed and is sad about all the war thatīs happening in this world. A man who despises fighting and hates it, everytime he has to use his weapon. Maybe his special word would be(like bonds for Ieyasu or revenge for Mitsunari) Sorrow. Then we are missing the blood-thirsty stereotype. A being that only wants to cause destruction and despair wherever he goes. Even if Mitsuhide is sick and bloodthirsty, for him itīs like some sick sexual pleasure. Heīs sadistic and heīs enjoying pain and suffering even if heīs the one receiving it. Itīs like a drug for him. He also speaks well and is as much a fighter as he is a brilliant strategist. What I mean is a crazy, heartless beast, that only longs for blood, that treats human life like trash. Someone who lives only to fight and kill. Someone who hates pain, but loves inflicting it on others. Someone who goes nuts if he sees a wound on his own body or his own blood flowing. Then thereīs the stereotype of the sarcastic guy you spoke of. Someone who never takes anything serious. Someone who manages in the most desperate and worst situation to laugh and make a joke about it. He would be a character, that makes fun of others, makes jokes about others and laughs all the time. Who getīs never angry, someone who just canīt be provoked. That doesnīt mean that all he does is laughing but you get the idea. Also there could be someone who has some complexes and who gets rather easily angered because of it. Someone who takes everything so dead damn serious. He doesnīt understand jokes, irony, sarcastic meanings, he takes everything as he hears it or wants to hear it (or even thinks to hear it). And since in the japanese language some words have more meanings behind them, he often missunderstands the word plays or jokes some of the characters meant and thinks they insulted him, even though they werenīt saying anything about him. He allways takes everything personal. A guy who never laughs, even though heīs not a bad guy, he just doesnīt understand it. I guess Masamune would have a lot of problems with this type of man, since he allways has some provoking or sarcastic comments up his sleeve Then we still lack some female stereotypes. We need a women that can lead an army on her own. A strong independent women, thatīs had her own goals and her own will, only following her dreams. And we need a rough girl, someone who has an easy mouth and allways jumps head on into adventures. A girl that doesnīt care if it gets dangerous and just searches for some fun and some real challenges. A real carefree women, enjoying life. (yes, Ginchiyo and Nana would fit in those roles )Also we are lacking the stereotype of a real man of honor. Someone who fights for his warriorīs code, someone who would commit seppuku if he failed. A man who respects his opponent during and after a fight no matter who he is, but still deep inside despises those who fight with dirty tricks or hurt those who canīt fight for themselves or anything else that goes against his code of honor. Someone who wouldnīt get serious on a child or a woman, no matter what(I wouldīve said never fight a child or a women but thatīs impossible in this game). Would be even cool if that personal trait would go so far, that as long as a child or a women is his opponent, you canīt activate your BASARA and DRIVE mode. He only hits them with "weak blows" since the BASARA attack and the drive mode, if it returns, are the "real hard blows", the trump card of each character. Also what I would really want, is a character with multiple personalities. Not like Oichi, who has a dark side, she doesnīt know of, itīs like sheīs posessed. No, a character who talks to himself during the stage. Normally during the stage, your allies cheer for you, scream for you if you are in danger and start discussions with the character. But in his chase, he would be cheered up by himself, would discuss with himself, would scream for himself if heīs in danger. For example if he defeats 50 enemys, one of personalities would cheer him up. Or during the stage he starts fighting with his other personalities. And the message picture differs from what kind of personality talks right now. He would sometimes sound like a completley different human even though itīs the same voice(would need a talented voice actor) I mean just imagine, if you fight against Kenshin and suddenly your character starts to quarrel with himself about if the War God is female or not. I would love to see something like that. Though, I could see some of my stated personalities for characters that need to be added, but I canīt imagine how Kanetsugu would end up. I mean the MUTEKIII thing is fine and all, but thatīs not a personality. It would just be his intro. Maybe heīs the type...since he allways claims to be invincible and undefeatable...how should I put it...like Patrick Corlasawar for Gundam 00? But I wouldnīt want him to be a joke character...hmmm...but I fear he might end up as such a character....hmmm... Do you have an idea MP? |
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| Manta Punk | Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:10 pm Post #662 |
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Woah,nice list DK I guess Capcom have a fair list of stereotype's to choose from. Well,I've thought about Kanetsugu and how i'd like him to be portrayed.Perhap's he can be a bit of a jerk,such as imitating other character's and being really sarcastic with them.Kinda like Squall e.g telling other character's to talk to wall's Also,he's unenthusiastic about everything,he complain's and moan's and criticise's everything,but,when he's around Kenshin he goes all "MUTEKI" and shows off infront of him.Perhap's even a little rivalry with Kasuga...But that's just my ideal Kanetsugu.I know many people aren't fond of the cliché 'Jerk' type but I find them pretty entertaining, especially if he changes his whole attitude when he's around Kenshin. But yeah,i'd prefer it if Capcom doesn't make him a 'Joke' character... By the way,have any of you seen SW3's new character,Ujiyasu? Is it me or does he bare resemblance to Aniki? >_> It's probably just me... Edited by Manta Punk, Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:15 pm.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:28 pm Post #663 |
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![]() I just saw him. Is KOEI that desperate? Oh well. So you mean Kanetsugu would be like Karen from Naruto or better Sanji from One Piece. A badass cook and fighter but once a women is around he turns into this "heart-eyed fanboy". So Kanetsugu would be a badass guy, who doesnīt give a crap about others and defeats them without even giving them one resprectfull look, but when Kenshinīs around he suddenly turns into this fanboy-MUTEKI thing. So he would still have the traits of a joke character, but overall is a serious character. Iīd like that. Well everything would be okay as long as he doesnīt end up as a "MUTEKIII"-only screaming jerk. As long as itīs just around his Idol, itīs okay. Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:30 pm.
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| BlackKite | Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:46 pm Post #664 |
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Hmm, the first impression when I saw him is that he kinda looks like Snake. ![]() But hmm... let me see further..... ...........!? Hey.....Speaking of which, yeah, I think those two girls really deserve those two traits.
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| Claus | Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:51 pm Post #665 |
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No BASARA news? *grumbles* SW news was just dissapointing, the only characters look that i like are the characters i dont like ![]() So i guess its set in stone for the news to be released on TGS, at least we can hope for Ieyasu's voice thats coming up, it should be good
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| Manta Punk | Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:52 pm Post #666 |
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Aye,a 'Sanji type' would probably have been the better way of putting it ![]() Karen,I can't really speak for as I gave up Naruto quite a while back. But yeah.I could imagine Kanetsugu pulling off a Sanji attitude.Sarcastic and cool with his foe's,a rivalry with Kasuga,similar to Zoro's and Sanji's and goes all hyper when around Kenshin,again,similar to Sanji and Nami.Maybe his alternate has him 'popping style' in suit...but maybe's that's asking too much Again,onto the new SW3 charcter's.This is why I prefer BASARA's character's to Musou's.I mean Musou has some great design's but sadly some of the other character's look a tad generic and don't really 'mesh' well with the other,more unique one's.This is where BASARA has the upper hand as all of the character's look like there from the same series without any of them looking too 'over-the-top' while other's look less...unique. But that's just my opinion. Edited by Manta Punk, Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:54 pm.
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| BlackKite | Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:00 pm Post #667 |
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Nope, no SB3 news this week. Then again the rumor about next info appearing at TGS might be true. Well, then again unlike SW3 which will be released in 2.5 more months, this one still have about 6 months until release so guess they're taking it slowly with the updates. Speaking of the site though, I wonder when will they add the Basara attack section on the characters. Sure it is quite interesting to hear how Ieyasu's voice might be different from before, but still... |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:37 pm Post #668 |
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SW3 Ujiyasu looks pretty badass imho. Sure, not revolutionary, but he looks solid. Pipes are always win! It would be fun for him to appear in Basara too...we'd have a battle of the Ujiyasus! Since he'd be a new character in both series, it'd be a competition to show which game can portray him better, fit him into the rest of the cast, etc... TGS can't come soon enough... |
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| Divine Justice | Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:41 pm Post #669 |
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Agreed, Ujiyasu looks great. Finally a new character I can sink my teeth into. And this gives me an excuse to keep him in SWCJ as the leader like I originally wanted. Mahahaha ![]() It's certainly disappointing to see that we didn't get any SB3 info today though. I was really looking forward to it. |
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| Claus | Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:43 pm Post #670 |
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But, he would be like 30 years older than Ujimasa, he would be like 120!!!!! No, i rather he not be in it, how about ujinao? Ujiyasu would just be ancient, and i dont like old characters too much.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:47 pm Post #671 |
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And itīs weird that we allready have the skill sections for Mitsunari and Ieyasu, but not for Yukimura and Masamune. I mean first, we allready know most of them and second, weīve allready seen them in last weekīs Famitsu. So thatīs not a secret anymore...I wonder if theyīll give us their skills "officially" with their voice updates. Well and itīs true MP, most of KOEIīs characters look a bit generic. But I guess thatīs due to their "more realistic historic"-style and the fact that KOEI now trys to imitate BASARA style. coughUjiyasucough But since SW3 comes first, I think Iīll still check it out and see if it catches my interest or not. At least Iīm able to play as Anik-...ah, no I mean Ujiyasu. I guess the TGS will decide wether I buy SW3, SB3 or both
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| Claus | Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:55 pm Post #672 |
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Just buy both, get some Sengoku era awesomeness in preparation for SB3, even though SW3 is starting to look more like a pile of crap as the weeks go by, yesterday i was excited for SW3 news, today, im actually scared what they will do to my favourite characters *coughshingencough* |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:57 pm Post #673 |
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Well, Ujiyasu is already mentioned in Basara (Kenshin seems to respect him, Ujimasa is jealous/envious of him, and the Hojo soldiers miss his leadership), so maybe... Plus he could appear as some kind of immortal un-aging old demon! Older than Ujimasa but 100x more energetic, active and "alive" than him! That'd be funny...plus we still don't have a real "old master" character (like Master Roshi in the first DB, or the Guild Master in Fairy Tail, etc...), so we'd get another stereotype taken care of! He wouldn't be a coward, so no conflicts with Ujimasa...they can be quite different, and his entering the stage could create many more story possibilities for Shingen, Kenshin and Yoshimoto (lol) |
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| Claus | Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:01 pm Post #674 |
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I can already imagine Yoshimoto being scared shitless of him either way, i thought Ujimasa was too old, now the thought of another geaser.... i dunno, i would just have to see him.Though i think Ujinao would fit better, he could be the exact opposite of his father, and Kotaro would only ever listen to him, and not Ujimasa... i like that. |
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| ChrisX | Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:48 pm Post #675 |
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Erm, I know you're all excited on Ujiyasu being announced in SW3... but keep in mind that... THIS!! IS!!! SB3 TOPIC!!! |
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