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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,061 Views)
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Sun Jun 6, 2010 12:18 am
What exactly is this Castle Mode?

And erm...
Basara talk...
Anyone have any idea the number of stages that are going to be in 3?
We can assume 1 per character, correct?
I believe "over 35 stages" has been thrown around, but I'm not sure if those are all completely different, or some are just different versions/opposite directions of other existing stages
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DK,
Though I think Masamune alone seems to click with the majority of Western gamers, I think a gentleman villain like Hisahide would definitely win the attention of the refined gamer. Him being the spitting image of Ra's Al Ghul helps too.
Regarding the voices, I agree with you 100% on how inappropriate Yoshitsugu's english voice is. That sort of killed the character for me and is one of the reasons I'm putting my maining hopes on Oichi. I don't think it' the accent per se, it's just that he sounds too "healthy" and I bet all his lines will be about death and agony and all sorts of things revolving around the subject of body putrefaction.
As for a potencial english VA for Hisahide, it's a shame Liam O'Brien is already cast for Ieyasu because I'm certain he would make an excellent role as the magnificent bastard. He's certainly great in playing grandiose villains. He can always play both though...


Koen,
The european site really is pitifully empty. Seems it's only function is to acknowledge the game exists.
As for the armours, my only wish is that if there's alternate outfits, they change color to fit the outfit. I know it's a very pointless thing, but it always irked me to see white Motonari with a green hat.
And of course, what I said to CD applies to you as well - best of luck with your exams!


CG and BK,
I haven't played Oboro Muramasa but that game really is something. Probably the best exclusive thing the Wii has to offer IMO. Even though the gameplay itself isn't all that, VanillaWare's offerings really are art in motion. I wish they'd work with Capcom someday...


MasterofMusou,
I can sympathise with your plight. During my many years of message board experience, I've noticed the abnormal amount of threads in which my post was usually last, so I sort of grew a pseudo paranoia of being a "topic killer". :lol:
But as CG said, don't worry, there's probably good reasons for the drop in forum activity. Judging by CD's and Koen's comments it seems there's a fair share of people going through exams season.
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Well, we lost HnB as a "hardcore poster" (understand why though -_- ) as well as BK (though the board is not infected yet with the dreaded order...itīs allways calm before the storm, right BK? :ph43r: )

The one that I really miss is Manta Punk...when was the last time he posted here? :huh:

Maybe I just overread him..... :/

And as many said, itīs soon time for exams, for some holidays and for some itīs simply the great games that are out (looks at his fresh RE5Gold Edition, 70% played Red Dead, first temple 3DDGH, still not touched Borderlands DLC and the newly downloaded FFIX, even though I havenīt finished FFVIII yet)...well...work...life...hobbies...only time for a short look...

But I bet once summer starts all the school boys and girls as well as a lot of workers have holidays and after they vacated they sit at home, especially on rainy days and the famous "summer whole" steps in with crappy summer movies, a TV programm thatīs so bad it could be used to prevent the Apocalypse since every angel and demon would be bored to hell and thereīs a big absence of actually good games...

So since SB3 is released as well as the second season and hopefully a SB demo in around that time this board will probably be spammed full with questions, spoilers, guides and other stuff...

We, as SB veterans, as well as KW SB board veterans will have a lot of work to help fellow fans and newcomers. ^_^

So enjoy letīs enjoy those calm days of randomly related SB talk, while we can...

And good luck to everyone having exams...everyone will make it...by the way...Kobayashi told me, that you all wonīt make it and everyone will fail.
Prove him wrong...succeed for justice! :lol:
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robotzombie
Sun Jun 6, 2010 12:27 am
Paptimus Scirocco
Sun Jun 6, 2010 12:18 am
What exactly is this Castle Mode?

And erm...
Basara talk...
Anyone have any idea the number of stages that are going to be in 3?
We can assume 1 per character, correct?
I believe "over 35 stages" has been thrown around, but I'm not sure if those are all completely different, or some are just different versions/opposite directions of other existing stages
I'd like to think they're over 35 unique stages seeing as SB2H had 64 stages, SB3 should have around the same if not more stages. But since the NPC characters will most likely only have one stage, it's probably right. Doesn't look like they'll be much (If any besides Sekigahara) clone stages though since SB2 had a lot of them.

EDIT: Those are probably the most likely reasons. I can understand why there's been a lack of posting. And the last time MP was on was May 21st.
Edited by Ultimate Legend, Sun Jun 6, 2010 2:00 am.
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Sun Jun 6, 2010 1:57 am
robotzombie
Sun Jun 6, 2010 12:27 am
Paptimus Scirocco
Sun Jun 6, 2010 12:18 am
What exactly is this Castle Mode?

And erm...
Basara talk...
Anyone have any idea the number of stages that are going to be in 3?
We can assume 1 per character, correct?
I believe "over 35 stages" has been thrown around, but I'm not sure if those are all completely different, or some are just different versions/opposite directions of other existing stages
I'd like to think they're over 35 unique stages seeing as SB2H had 64 stages, SB3 should have around the same if not more stages. But since the NPC characters will most likely only have one stage, it's probably right. Doesn't look like they'll be much (If any besides Sekigahara) clone stages though since SB2 had a lot of them.
Actualy, Tenaki has at least two stages, I saw it in the trailer. :mellow: So NPCs have a chance at a few stages, plus the unique ones, so I'm not worried about that.

Really, now I'm just waiting for the Basara team to hurry their ass up and release the damn demo D< Though, I guess it worked out well for me that they haven't released it, I wouldn;t be able to play it yet if they had, exams, culminating, my burned hand a really badly burned thumb that I can;t use for a little while longer would make it impossible for me to play it. And they're probably waiting to release it closer to the release date so JAP gamers that play it and aren't fans of the series can play it and then see its coming out in a wekk and pick it up, rather than have it come out three months later and them forgetting about it. But still, I want to play as Ieyasu and Mitsunari >D
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I guess the one that spams Mitsunariīs S-String will win -_-

Especially is someone dares to use Yoshihiro...wether improvement or not, Kenshin was unfair back than, but he had at least some style and took his moments to show of how ice cool he is.

Mitsunari on the other side is always in a rage mode rush and practically never stops attacking.
you obviously forgot the whole parrying thing and that it gives just enough time to prepare some of shimazu's more meaty moves..........

kenshin was different because of his shinsoku,plus he is more of a glass cannon that deals really high damage but cannot take damage well,mitsunari doesnt seem to have that....judging from the vid he's more closer to fuuma's playstyle rather than kenshin,mainly because the attacks doesnt look so strong...........
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Sat Jun 5, 2010 8:19 pm
I absolutely love when Capcom tries to balance everything out amongst systems that are almost completely different in capabilities...
They completely scrapped Monster Hunter Tri for the ps3 because of...
Well...there were a lot of reasons...
*Sigh*
Ugh...
That's so idiotic though...
Big deal if the Wii can't hold dual audio, the Wii also costs less than a ps3...
Whatever...
well,sony purist still got their share of MH with the MHF/P franchise,so far MHP3 have everything that is good from MHtri AND retains what tri had cut from previous MH stuffs that made tri hated by many MH fans,so yeah......capcom does managed balance their share of games on every platform.........

i just hope they do the same with SB and release a PSP version of SB3 for PSP,and not just a direct port,but a better,more refined one,not graphic wise of course.....
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I honestly hope they keep away from DMC weapons...
I'd much rather have a weapon similar to Nagamasa's joke, which ended up being one of his best weapons because of its range, in the game, rather than some mimicked and altered sword I've seen else where...

I seriously think they're being lazier by adding a tribute weapon from DMC, than they are by mashing heads together and creating a joke weapon
well,master and sla~err pupil do think alike,so i'm not surprised :hmmm:

weapons aside,DMC costumes are very not necessary either for this game,there's a lot of reference from other popular stuffs that needs to be applied to SB,don't forget,DMC ALREADY have their share of SB,and that's enough...time for other stuffs to be in,if they must,then make it some kind of DLC packs either free or buyable instead of the main content,if not then this will be just another DK:trying to milk DMC from the game that is not DMC.....its stupid

of course its not a forced opinion,about 90% or even more participants in here WILL say the opposite and i can understand why....so yeah,i will cease any efforts to stop the DMC talks here,it seems that they're unstoppable anyways........
Edited by wodash, Sun Jun 6, 2010 3:31 am.
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Sat Jun 5, 2010 10:56 pm
I know what it is. ChibiGingi just wouldn't co-op with any of us, we ain't 1337 enough. :whistle:
Totally. I'm uber uber 1337, you know.

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When I mentioned gimped, I meant in graphics and dual audio, actually. Sure, the PS3 version gets online play, but really, it's still BS that the PS3 version has to suffer because of the Wii's "lack of disc space" when it comes to having both Japanese and English audio. If you're going to take out Japanese audio, at least give us some damn good English voice acting... it was the one thing Devil Kings had going for it. (It had Garry Chalk... I'm surprised he even remembered doing that game when I talked to him about a year ago. He said Devil King was a very fun character... I'd love to see him come back, but that'd be getting my hopes up needlessly I think.)

Edit: BTW, off topic me thinks, but Muramasa The Demon Blade is probably my favorite Wii game at the moment. It's just so beautiful... it's almost like playing Okami for the first time (god I love Okami too...)
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When I mentioned gimped, I meant in graphics and dual audio, actually. Sure, the PS3 version gets online play, but really, it's still BS that the PS3 version has to suffer because of the Wii's "lack of disc space" when it comes to having both Japanese and English audio. If you're going to take out Japanese audio, at least give us some damn good English voice acting... it was the one thing Devil Kings had going for it. (It had Garry Chalk... I'm surprised he even remembered doing that game when I talked to him about a year ago. He said Devil King was a very fun character... I'd love to see him come back, but that'd be getting my hopes up needlessly I think.)

Edit: BTW, off topic me thinks, but Muramasa The Demon Blade is probably my favorite Wii game at the moment. It's just so beautiful... it's almost like playing Okami for the first time (god I love Okami too...)
yep,DK had a good VA,the scripts are not that bad either,its just the idea of name changing that scarred many people,and the cuts.........

still about dual audio,i recently played WO2 for PSP........it has dual audio......what in the world is KOEI thinking?!

and i think the UMD can only carry less than what the wii's media can carry,plus SB3 doesnt have 100++ playable character lines anyways,unlike WO2....so the whole limitation thing is very vague,its believable at some point but seeing some other facts it really starts to sound stupid...

about the off topic thing:no love for odin sphere&princess crown? :sad:
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When I mentioned gimped, I meant in graphics and dual audio, actually. Sure, the PS3 version gets online play, but really, it's still BS that the PS3 version has to suffer because of the Wii's "lack of disc space" when it comes to having both Japanese and English audio. If you're going to take out Japanese audio, at least give us some damn good English voice acting... it was the one thing Devil Kings had going for it. (It had Garry Chalk... I'm surprised he even remembered doing that game when I talked to him about a year ago. He said Devil King was a very fun character... I'd love to see him come back, but that'd be getting my hopes up needlessly I think.)

Edit: BTW, off topic me thinks, but Muramasa The Demon Blade is probably my favorite Wii game at the moment. It's just so beautiful... it's almost like playing Okami for the first time (god I love Okami too...)
yep,DK had a good VA,the scripts are not that bad either,its just the idea of name changing that scarred many people,and the cuts.........

still about dual audio,i recently played WO2 for PSP........it has dual audio......what in the world is KOEI thinking?!

and i think the UMD can only carry less than what the wii's media can carry,plus SB3 doesnt have 100++ playable character lines anyways,unlike WO2....so the whole limitation thing is very vague,its believable at some point but seeing some other facts it really starts to sound stupid...

about the off topic thing:no love for odin sphere&princess crown? :sad:
Agreed if a PSP game can have dual audio there is no excuse that the wii can't and even if it can't no sense in punishing those who payed far more for a vastly superior system. As for Odin Sphere I love that game although it was a little too exploitable. Pertaining to the MH talk earlier it's all good and well getting a new Freedom game, but that went without saying. Tri had a lot of potential with the PS3 As much as I love portable MH games I'd like to play one without shoddy graphics. Oh before I forget to ask is there any chance of seeing Itsuki in 3 or is there no love for the loli?
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@Wodash- Playing Muramasa got me into seeking out Odin Sphere... I plan on playing it soon, trust me.

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As far as Itsuki's chance of being in the game goes, it's really anyone's game right now. From what I'm told, she's insanely popular as far as the pedobears of Japan go, but considering they NPCified the sex symbol that is Kasuga/Kusaga (I can never remember which one it is) or cut out other great fan favorites, who knows. Personally, I'll be a happy Chibi if she's excluded. It's not even that I consider Tsuruhime the loli of the game (because I kind of don't), but really, I just never liked her.
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and i think the UMD can only carry less than what the wii's media can carry,plus SB3 doesnt have 100++ playable character lines anyways,unlike WO2....so the whole limitation thing is very vague,its believable at some point but seeing some other facts it really starts to sound stupid...
The one factor that may play well to Capcom's side of the argument, may lie on how they choose to encode their audio. If the way they do audio on their side of the camp really does take up that much space, or otherwise is another compromise unto itself, then perhaps it may give reason to why they can't fit two different audio tracks on disc. Or at least, certainly not without significantly reducing audio quality in the case of the Wii port (and the last thing Wii owners need is another reason to bawl). :hehe:

For example: Monster Hunter Tri for the Wii employs Dolby Pro Logic II, which, basically, is a media encoder that derives 5 channel sound from a stereo/2 channel signal. It's not quite to the level of the Dolby Digital, which is what Capcom employs in their games for the HD Twins. Dolby Digital is a system that actually utilizes 5.1 channels and can deliver sound that way.

Now, I don't see anything on the official site that points to which system(s) that Capcom intends to use for each port. But, if it's basically looking to be a "Digital for PS3, Pro Logic II for Wii" break-down as I think it will be, it may very well be a thing that trying to encode the sound for the two versions of the game may take up a good deal of the available disc space; especially the case of the Wii version, if they wanted to try and convert files with no reduction in sound quality for either version.

If some one has more of an in-depth study of this type of thing, I'd welcome it.

Again, it's truly pitiable. I was relishing the notion of actually trying to support the domestic version of this game, at one point in time. But if "voting with my wallet" is indeed the only way that companies like Capcom are willing to listen to me, then I can't and won't support their domestic release, for the reason that their version of the product displeases me in this way. My copy, as well as the copy that I'm buying for a friend for their (belated) Birthday present, will both be the import version.

"ZANNEN~" [/Sasuke announcer] :hehe:
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available disc space; especially the case of the Wii version, if they wanted to try and convert files with no reduction in sound quality for either version.
Actually you got it wrong

from what i've read online, somewhere on this forum site, This game was originally coming out for the Wii First. then half way through they decided to put it on the PS3 as well

so its not a matter of Porting from the PS3 to the Wii.

but porting from the Wii to the PS3.

or so that's what i read, i could be wrong.
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I've already put my money down for the preorder of this game for the NA release, though I'd normally not mind double-dipping (I foolishly did the same was DW6), I don't think I even want to, or can afford to. Of course, I could simply cancel my preorder, but I feel as if I'm damning any chance of anymore of this series being localized if I don't buy the localized version.

The sheer amount of NPCs and cut characters isn't really encouraging me to buy this game twice, even. Ugh... I think I'll just settle for the possibility of subpar voice acting on this one guys.
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That reminds me. The sounds in SB2H were encoded pretty lousily, weren't they.
Well, like the ones played in gameplay, the shouts and etc., not so much the dialogue.
Personally didn't bother me.

Plus I personally don't think it'll cause that much difference if the PS3 version has dual audio and the Wii doesn't. If anything, people would just buy the PS3 version more which probably costs more, so it might even garner them more profit?!
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That reminds me. The sounds in SB2H were encoded pretty lousily, weren't they.
Well, like the ones played in gameplay, the shouts and etc., not so much the dialogue.
Personally didn't bother me.

Plus I personally don't think it'll cause that much difference if the PS3 version has dual audio and the Wii doesn't. If anything, people would just buy the PS3 version more which probably costs more, so it might even garner them more profit?!
Yeah, but then the few that buy it for the Wii are going to be butthurt that the PS3 got more goodies than them. In which... so?
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available disc space; especially the case of the Wii version, if they wanted to try and convert files with no reduction in sound quality for either version.
Actually you got it wrong

from what i've read online, somewhere on this forum site, This game was originally coming out for the Wii First. then half way through they decided to put it on the PS3 as well

so its not a matter of Porting from the PS3 to the Wii.

but porting from the Wii to the PS3.

or so that's what i read, i could be wrong.
No, the game was announced as multi-platform release at the same time. I believe we got word of the Wii version first, but it was cleared up I think within days.
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available disc space; especially the case of the Wii version, if they wanted to try and convert files with no reduction in sound quality for either version.
Actually you got it wrong

from what i've read online, somewhere on this forum site, This game was originally coming out for the Wii First. then half way through they decided to put it on the PS3 as well

so its not a matter of Porting from the PS3 to the Wii.

but porting from the Wii to the PS3.

or so that's what i read, i could be wrong.
No, the game was announced as multi-platform release at the same time. I believe we got word of the Wii version first, but it was cleared up I think within days.
oh okay then, so i must have misread that bit of info

thanks for telling me what it really meant.
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There is a lot of multi-plating going on, correct me if I'm wrong but the supposed FFXIII versus went from PS3 exclusive to also on 360 and now the release date is put back...not like I was planning on buying it. FF died after IX, any way a lot of games lately have been featuring the ability to play music off the HDD. Does anyone know is Basara 3 will have that feature?
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It all still makes me wonder...
I honestly have no problem waiting for a few updates for clarification, but it's gonna be kind of annoying if some of this stuff isn't spread out until the actual release...
Ugh...
When the Basara demo comes out on the Japanese psn, someone, please tell me
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I've also only seen glimpses of the, what I believe is, 'Story' or 'Conquer' mode...or whatever...
But, from what I've seen, it's fairly similar to the old systems, correct?
Edited by Oojin, Sun Jun 6, 2010 10:00 am.
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You must mean the Emaki mode...the one we saw on trailers.From my understanding[take note,it might severely flawed] it seems like conquer mode from SBBH and perhaps SB2/H[?]...only without gaining allies as players but unlocking them aas NPC generals for the players respective story,even if they aren't on your side[??????].

That's what I made out,but take it with a grain of salt,as I may be wrong.

And : DAMN!wodash!!! :OMG: I though it would be that would start the whole "bring SB3 to the PSP" bussiness,but it was you instead???...come here,my good friend!!

Ahem...joking aside,it probably is some kind of secret capcom dream of mine,ever since DMC PSP was cancelled and SBBH came out,that we would get a proper SB in our PSPs one day.

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what is this DMC PSP game you speak of ...?
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And : DAMN!wodash!!! :OMG: I though it would be that would start the whole "bring SB3 to the PSP" bussiness,but it was you instead???...come here,my good friend!!
i'm here,whatcha gonna do? :uh: ,i always try to connect everything(meaning:very good games that is not on PSP yet) with PSP,not just SB3.......mainly because PSP is starting to lack quality games that is not:

a)an RPG
b)a JRPG
c)an overly famous game title(MGS,GOW,etc)
d)a direct port from PS2 without any interesting change in its contents

thernz
Sun Jun 6, 2010 6:47 am
That reminds me. The sounds in SB2H were encoded pretty lousily, weren't they.
Well, like the ones played in gameplay, the shouts and etc., not so much the dialogue.
Personally didn't bother me.
really? i though the overall sound in SB1/DK up to SB2H and SBBH was not bad at all,its not the best but its way above "normal" that's for sure

if there's one SB game where sound really hits a very low score it would be the PS2 port of SBX,very VERY weak,its like hearing the original arcade game recorded whilst in the middle of an arcade crowd and viewed through youtube..its that bad.....

and yeah,as long as the quality isnt REALLY bad,i wont even care to rant about graphics and sounds,its all about concept,gameplay,and the overall charisma of a game that is important.....

which is why godhand is still #1 in my book of PS2 action games,way above the likes of DMC......with PS2's "shinobi" in second(and no,even if mixed with PS3 games,ninja gaiden sigma games wont even be in the top ten and at least the top 5 will not change from the original formation,which is all PS2 ones)
Edited by wodash, Sun Jun 6, 2010 12:51 pm.
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^To share a [manly] hug with you my friend.[Manly tears].And I agree with your points...though efforts in the east[read Japan] are being made to uphold the PSP and bring more quality game and even make quality games for it.

Ahem...

@Ixbran : There was supossed to be a DMC game for the PSP,but it probably never even began the development,so Capcom "cancelled" it officially last year...thank god Shining Force Cross was there to cheer me up...far more than I needed...ah,the ecstasy!

Back to BASARA :

I didn't give my opinion about the alternates and the DMC stuff-[audience : we don't care!!!]

Ow....
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Yeah, compared to the "sounds" the PSP version made...though, I guess, compared to that, everything sounds awesome. -_-

My guess (donīt take it serious) is that we might not see a unification mode.

It seems they merged it together like in SB1. I hope they have a separate conquer mode, but it seems to be both in one...

Though again, itīs just me assuming. It wouldnīt be so hard to take the emaki, scrap the story cutscenes and open all paths instead of just one or two and you have a conquest mode.

Though it wouldnīt been so hard to just add Matsu as a playable either, so that doesnīt hold much :mellow:

Off-topic:
BTW, I just realized SW3 is out here in europe...can I play it with the gamecube controller...and is it worth it? I mean, are there enough new things to buy it?

EDIT:

@Mibu Kyoshiro: I care. What do you think about it? :huh:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Sun Jun 6, 2010 1:50 pm.
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