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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,054 Views)
Ouelis
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You know, Hisahide's style has always reminded me a bit of Shishio Makoto. Not in general but the empthasis on fire based attacks and those gloves he wears. Since some characters have skills designed for one-on-one purposes(Mitsunari's pin-down slash and Kurokan's Ultimate Atomic Buster) I would love it if Hisahide would grab an opponent by the throat and pull his sword across his glove, resulting in an explosion. I love that move. On the movement side, if I were them, I would just make him run normally but maintain his vanishing dash-evade. That seems like the best option.

By the way, I thought it was pretty obvious that Yoshitsugu was a light user. Sure it clashes a bit with his personality, but so what? In all the footage I've seen of him, I haven't really seen anything that would make me question his element.
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Mibu Kyoshiro
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^...Makoto Shishio...you just fulled Matsunaga's fire...so many possibilities...DAMN YOU KOBA!!!!

Ahem...sorry for that.I jst got excited by the ideas everyone throws about Matsunaga...

It would be very cool...and his sword is somewhat saw-ish.He could use a more practical style of Fire-Sword/Explosion Sword fighting...pour sake and gunpowder on his swords and let the carnage begin.
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Ouelis
Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:23 pm
By the way, I thought it was pretty obvious that Yoshitsugu was a light user. Sure it clashes a bit with his personality, but so what? In all the footage I've seen of him, I haven't really seen anything that would make me question his element.
Yeah. Same goes for every character- their elements are blatantly there. The only two who are a little bit iffy are Hideaki and Sorin, but the former is probably fire and latter is light. Although Sorin could be fire too, but it's one of the two regardless.
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Ouelis
Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:23 pm
You know, Hisahide's style has always reminded me a bit of Shishio Makoto. Not in general but the empthasis on fire based attacks and those gloves he wears. Since some characters have skills designed for one-on-one purposes(Mitsunari's pin-down slash and Kurokan's Ultimate Atomic Buster) I would love it if Hisahide would grab an opponent by the throat and pull his sword across his glove, resulting in an explosion. I love that move. On the movement side, if I were them, I would just make him run normally but maintain his vanishing dash-evade. That seems like the best option.
You know, I've thought the same thing myself. And ever since Ginchiyo's lightning style in SW I've wanted a fire user of a similar variety.

That said, I'm one of the few against Hisahide becoming a PC. I love him and all, but his style just really doesn't befit a PC, especially the way he moves. I know we've been spoiled in the past, but not every character needs to be playable. Someone like Hisahide is the perfect villain, and frankly I just don't see the need to play as him. Most games don't allow you to play as 99% of the cast (as in sb2h).

That doesn't mean I'm a supporter of Musashi either though. Still holding out for someone brand new (because I don't honestly care for most of the newbies this time around...)
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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I don´t see the need to play as Tsuruhime either.

And don´t hope for a new character. Even pessimistic as I am, all hints at Matsunaga´s debut...as well as the fact that they revealed every new character to promote to hell out of them (leaving old favourites behind that NEVER got that much attention :mellow: )

But DJ, once you see a playable Matsunaga, you´ll change your mind.
No one can stop the fire, wants it burns :ph43r:

As far as I can tell, even though it pains me to see so many cut characters + NPCs and promises that were "broken", the characters that are playable...are playable.

Their movesets and animations are fluid and interesting + everyone has a lot of skills...

Just remembered his second sword could also be used as one of his Super Skills...

Why do I seem to get my hopes up, just for the last character to be Musashi or some other unknown jerk we don´t even know...maybe a fictional character...or worse...a playable Dante :crazy:
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Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:57 pm
..maybe a fictional character...or worse...a playable Dante :crazy:
Don't even hink about it...Please DK....i don't want BASARA to be corrupeted by DMC SH**s :realangry:

i think the las t character is Matsunaga too, or maybe Musashi(i hope if it's him,givr the Brat a complete moveset)
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:lol: Well if theres only one more character its definitely Hisahide they wouldn't leave Musashi so long unless he was revamped which Koba said he wasn't but it'll be interesting to see Hisahide's moveset finally because when he was NPC he walked and flash-step as cool as that was (I mean that was really cool then he would just stop and summon flames, :XD flawless)

Will he be a fast mover or slow jammer ? :sly:

Whatever the case hurry KOBA, with E3 around the corner that clock is running out on your A$$ :ph43r:
Edited by ~in3vitableTIMING~, Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:46 pm.
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When is the E3 going to be held?

Koba wrote that there might be new info coming out there. We don't know what kind of info, so don't get your hopes too high......
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Mibu Kyoshiro
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This year's E3 is from 14-17 june.At least that's what the site says...
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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Yep that means next week. And NDY you told us about the mobile site saying "New character info is about to end".

So it means we´ll get the last character in about 1 or 2 weeks the way this was formulated (maybe it´s really on the E3) and thus character infos are about to end, meaning the character section will be filled.

Seeing as we now only have one gameplay spot, one character spot, possibly 3 gameplay videos, Tsuchi artwork and maybe some other special video...the final wait for SB3 will be a long one, with those stretched out updates -_-

@Hondam: I guessed something like that, I meant that it wasn´t meantioned in that element section...though it´s non-elemental so it makes sense...I just meant if Musashi were in they´d list "his element" too.

BTW tune in the 15th, since there´ll be the Nintendo and the Sony press conference...new Zelda, new Twisted Metal (or other surprise title) are a sure thing :dance:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:08 pm.
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^ Which element section? On the main site it shows Ieyasu's 2nd weapon with the light emblem.
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maybe a fictional character, maybe playable Dante


OMFG THAT WOULD BE SO FREAKING COOL!

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having Dante appear in this game as a playable character would be the coolest thing ever

for me anyway

i would buy this game on day one when it was on sale

:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:
:wub: :wub: :wub:

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Dante? In my SB? :crazy:
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If they wanted to add him, they should've done that back then in Devil Kings... In SB I can appreciate DMC weapons appearing here and there, but having Dante himself appearing would be a big meh for me. :hmmm:

And E3 info.... I'm not expecting the last character to be announced there, heck for the western version only the first 4 characters are officially announced. If anything, the info there might be facepalming for me... if you know what I mean. :facepalm:
*anticipates Shogun 2: Total War*
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Xellos
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Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:33 pm
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maybe a fictional character, maybe playable Dante


OMFG THAT WOULD BE SO FREAKING COOL!

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having Dante appear in this game as a playable character would be the coolest thing ever

for me anyway

i would buy this game on day one when it was on sale

:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:
:wub: :wub: :wub:

No, just no! See this is why we can't have nice things if something like that were to happen I'd not buy the game.

In regards to E3 I can't wait to see some Basara and get more info on the localization of Y4...just hope they don't cut out a bunch of crap like what they did with Y3 or worse dub it...*cringe*
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Mibu Kyoshiro
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Making a BASARA game[NOT A SENGOKU BASARA,just a BASARA game] with Dante and crossovers would be welcome,but in SB3...no,it wouldn't work...

As for the weapons...I think they are all identical,it's just that one version is the elemental one and the other the non-elemental...so,just 6 weapons all in all.

And yup,that section in the main site.
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Ouelis
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...Dante?

No. No no no no no no no. NO. Bad! NO!
If that were to happen, I would literally scream from the top of my lungs in a mixture of pain, fury and terror. Look, I liked Dante back in the day in the first DMC but he has absolutely NO PLACE in the Basara franchise. I can accept there being some weapons from the DMC series as a homage, but that's as far as I can take it.

Having that red clad annoyance take the final slot away when there are actual INTERESTING CHARACTERS with RELEVANCE and who are ACTUALLY PART OF THE SERIES AND NOT AN EMBARRASSING TACK-ON?

And not only that, but to include him and snub Matsunaga "I don't care about no stinkin' Buddha, I'm burning this mother down!" Hisahide? Utter lunacy as to border on actual evil in it's purest form.

So, no thanks.
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Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:35 pm
As for Hisahide moving...maybe he just walks faster? You can actually walk pretty fast...and his dashing is him vanishing like he does when he evades and his dash attack makes an "explosive appearance".
This is one of the things going against his inclusion in favor of Musashi's. Matsunaga would need a LOT of work, almost as much as Oichi, basically counting as a full fledged new character in everything but appearance.
He was clearly made with the NPC boss status in mind - slow walking speed, full screen hitting skills and ridiculously fast evade animations.
With the dash feature, he can keep his slow walking speed, making him a more "technical character" a la Yoshihiro. Alternatively, he can run in the same hand behind back pose as he already does in the anime when charging at Kojuuro.
Secondly, he'll need some major nerfs. Forget about having skills and evade maneuvers like he has in Heroes.


HNB,
A Basara Gakuen in Rival Schools 3 would be awesome. I'd so be teaming up Nouhime and Kyoko. :wub:


Ouelis,
Matsunaga using Shishio's explosive glove grab would be 100 shades of epic awesome. Probably the best part in their fight (Rurouni Kenshin, I mean).
Speaking of grabs, I miss Hideyoshi and his grappling shenanigans. :sad:
Strangely, Oichi seems the one to have taken the grabber role...


NDY,
Thanks for the info on our update - so we get only 6 weapons designwise? God forbid we have any good news without some major drawback. Typical...
As for E3, Koba will use it to let everyone know how REALLY L33T MasaYuki are.


On a final note - Dante in SB? Might as well put Darth Vader and Yoda if they're so hellbent on ruining the series. :facepalm:
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Wed Jun 9, 2010 6:17 pm
@MP:Thanks, that´s really more than enough :o
Where did you get that? :sly:
I hope you didn´t rob some internet bank for it :ph43r:

Uh... :whistle:
Nah, t'was found on Pixiv, a Japanese fanart site and the only place I can get my BASARA art fix, seeing as Koba ain't too keen on revealing the Tsuchi art at the moment. I know we aren't getting too much of it, but just the artwork for the new guys would be appreciated... And sadly, for each beautiful piece you find on Pixiv, theres at least another two "dodgy pairing" pics to compensate.

Anyway, lack of 12 different weapons doesn't bother me too much. When it was first announced, I was suspiciously surprised, so I've always had my doubts. But, hey, at least we know we're getting unique weapons, compared to a couple of months back when we had doubts about even that. This has seriously got me wondering how they'll pull off Ichi's...

Well, with E3 around the corner, I guess we best be prepared for more cheesy dialogue, Western name order, hit and miss voices, and whole lotta board rage. But, at the very least, it looks like they seem to actually give a damn about promotion this time.

Also, Dante?
The other members summed it up perfect.
Edited by Manta Punk, Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:25 pm.
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I'll clear up the weapon issue. This can all be verified from the main site-

Each character has a 6, unique (weapon one does not look like weapon two) weapons starting with the 1st being non-elemental. So far we know the 2nd weapon will have an element and taking into account the previous patterns, the 4th and 6th should be elemental as well. That's where we get the 6 from.

The 12 comes from the total amount of weapons, this being each character has two different columns of those 6 unique weapons. While we don't know the difference between the two versions right now, one weapon in one column will be the exact same as it's counterpart in the other column (except for said difference): Weapon 2 in column A will look the same and have an element just like Weapon 2 in column B.

And about Dante- If I want to play as Dante I'd go play DMC. This is not DMC. [Insert what everyone else said already]. Like BK, DMC cameo weapons are fine (look cool and are miles better than joke weapons), but that should be it. On a sidenote, I really don't understand how Dante is considered one of the greatest characters ever designed as so much people put him as. I've only played DMC4 mind you, and while the game was extremely fun, Dante is perhaps the most corniest, cheesiest character I've ever heard. The game was hard to take seriously at times whenever he spoke. Albeit it had to do with the lines the director gave him, but cotdamn how no one realized how corny it sounded is beyond me. But that's enough dmc ranting for now. :uh:
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Mibu Kyoshiro
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^In DMC3 and 1 he was better...but that's it.

As for Matsunaga...I hadn't thought of that.Maybe Musashi will get in,because he will need far less work than him...but then again,if they do nerf his skills...I don't know...he won't be one of the best "broken" bosses.

Well,that's just me,though.
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Xellos
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Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:35 pm
As for Hisahide moving...maybe he just walks faster? You can actually walk pretty fast...and his dashing is him vanishing like he does when he evades and his dash attack makes an "explosive appearance".
This is one of the things going against his inclusion in favor of Musashi's. Matsunaga would need a LOT of work, almost as much as Oichi, basically counting as a full fledged new character in everything but appearance.
He was clearly made with the NPC boss status in mind - slow walking speed, full screen hitting skills and ridiculously fast evade animations.
With the dash feature, he can keep his slow walking speed, making him a more "technical character" a la Yoshihiro. Alternatively, he can run in the same hand behind back pose as he already does in the anime when charging at Kojuuro.
Secondly, he'll need some major nerfs. Forget about having skills and evade maneuvers like he has in Heroes.


HNB,
A Basara Gakuen in Rival Schools 3 would be awesome. I'd so be teaming up Nouhime and Kyoko. :wub:


Ouelis,
Matsunaga using Shishio's explosive glove grab would be 100 shades of epic awesome. Probably the best part in their fight (Rurouni Kenshin, I mean).
Speaking of grabs, I miss Hideyoshi and his grappling shenanigans. :sad:
Strangely, Oichi seems the one to have taken the grabber role...


NDY,
Thanks for the info on our update - so we get only 6 weapons designwise? God forbid we have any good news without some major drawback. Typical...
As for E3, Koba will use it to let everyone know how REALLY L33T MasaYuki are.


On a final note - Dante in SB? Might as well put Darth Vader and Yoda if they're so hellbent on ruining the series. :facepalm:
You've reminded me of the travesty that was/is SCIV. I'm hoping for Hisahide. would've been nice to get that loli Itsuki back, but with one slot left to hell with her.
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ill say this update was not what i expected, but hey its something.

ok i got to clarify something on the main site when you look at the armor page you see a weird looking gem thing for ieyasu's armor, my question is where does that appear on ieyasu??

and about the weapons, i would have rather perfered the 8 weapon system,and idk if anyone else agree's
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Xellos
Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:21 pm
You've reminded me of the travesty that was/is SCIV.
That was part of the point. Sometimes the more gruesome the reminder, the more effective it will be in reminding us on the wrongness of certain things.
I wanted to never remember SCIV again but discussion about it popped up in the E3 thread...


On a side note, hail to the Lumen Sage for he has just realized the bleedin' obvious!
With our hopes of 4 more PCs now completely crushed, the .swf files number - our main reason to reasonably expect said 4 characters - much like the cake, is a lie.
I somehow knew it. They named those files to pull a fast one on us wise guys.
Though part of me still wishes to be proven wrong...
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Personally,I say we wait and see.Let's test it out.[A naughty thought crossed my mind : maybe there really will be 12 weapons for each character...but the remaining 6 will be paid DLCs.That's what I'm afraid,of that kind of trolling.]

The charas may follow the same fate,stated above...which would be vexing in the least...

If we don't like it,I say we take up the "arms"[read : our fists and some clubs] and go smash Koba's head...or spam Capcom and his email...or something that will annoy them.I don't know,I'm out of ideas.
Edited by Mibu Kyoshiro, Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:02 pm.
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Ouelis
Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:23 pm
You know, Hisahide's style has always reminded me a bit of Shishio Makoto. Not in general but the empthasis on fire based attacks and those gloves he wears. Since some characters have skills designed for one-on-one purposes(Mitsunari's pin-down slash and Kurokan's Ultimate Atomic Buster)
This may be a bit late, but I highly doubt that Mitsunari's pin-down is in any way a one-on-one purpose attack...
From what I've seen, unless it was two skills being used, dark lightning rains down everywhere around him while he does it...
So, the opponent that gets pinned is probably dealt the most damage, but those around are hit as well...
Sorta like Fuma's enemy fueled leg throws...


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Also, Yoshitsugu's element confused me a bit...
I noticed that his orbs seemed to spark with what I thought was electricity during a few of his attacks...
But...at the same time, it could always be light or whatever...
And prier to seeing that, I figured his element was wind because of the way he dragged people in with the orbs...

Oh well...

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Also...
Didn't I say that awhile ago?
About the weapons?
I kinda figured there'd be two skins for 6 weapons...
Whatever...
You people act like 6 weapons per character is a bad thing...
There'll probably be 5 serious weapons, and a single joke one...
I'm more than comfortable with those numbers...

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And lastly, someone gave some example about a cat and a stuffed animal...
I'd do that to my kid...
If he can't take care of a stuffed animal, he doesn't deserve to have a living, breathing, meowing, cat...

I'm more than positive we'll see an addition to Basara 3...
Don't know how or when...
But...
I'm pretty sure...

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By the way,
watch the final character be Mecha-Q...er...I mean, Robo-Zabii
Edited by Oojin, Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:18 pm.
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