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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| Oojin | Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:33 pm Post #7301 |
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^ *Shrug* I dunno~ It was really supposed to be a joke, and reason to end a petty semi-argument... I suppose... *cough* But no, really, where's it stated that Tsuru has a crush on Kotaro, or whatever? |
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| Ultimate Legend | Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:35 pm Post #7302 |
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Keeping it Cool.
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It wasn't outright stated. People just assumed from the pics and videos that she did. |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:43 pm Post #7303 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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It was stated that she sees some kind of hero in him, since he saves her (what a cliche ) from some badguys.Especially if you look at the "opening 2 trailer" or whatever that AMV we got is supposed to be, when she looks at him with those big bright bambi eyes...she fell for him. I hope though, itīs not the kind of cliche anime story, where some innocent girl, gets saved by some cold hearted guy, that suddenly warms up because she sees some good or super hero in him and thus convinces him to believe that too... Kotaro is a cold-blooded killer that doesnīt talk...donīt take that illusion from us for an unimportant filler character
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| Oojin | Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:46 pm Post #7304 |
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^ Erm... I kinda...must not have...watched...it... *cough* |
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| Xellos | Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:49 pm Post #7305 |
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Mysterious Priest
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When you put it that way my hatred for Tsuru begins to flow, especially since Kotaro is one of my favorites. I guess I'll have to wait. I'd really like to see some gameplay for him. |
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| Eni | Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:57 pm Post #7306 |
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BOOEH
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Out of curiosity, how is exactly Kotaro an non-filler character, considering the setting? But i assume he is a pretty popular character, right? |
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| Ultimate Legend | Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:03 pm Post #7307 |
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".............." Seriously though, I don't know of anything who doesn't like him. At worst they're indifferent to him. |
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| ChibiGingi | Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:08 pm Post #7308 |
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She meant Tsuruhime being the filler character, guys. Not Kotaro. And maybe by the end of her story, she'll see the truth in Kotaro and have her hopes and dreams smashed into teeny tiny pieces. I think that'd make for an interesting story, sort of like the reversal of (forgive me for even mentioning this) Hanzo and Nene in SW3. Where as Hanzo's cold exterior melts in lieu of Nene's friendship and kindness, maybe Tsuruhime will become jaded from Kotaro's cold and ruthlessness. Oh ****, I did it again. I got my hopes up. I'm going back into hiding now. |
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| robotzombie | Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:12 pm Post #7309 |
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I'm glad Hondam finally said a bunch of stuff that really needed to be said. Not directed specifically at anyone, but the immense overdramatizing is really unnecessary and has become a beast of its own that doesn't even really seem all that valid. Particularly in terms of the characters, I'd just like to point out that unlike most games in this genre/style, this particular game seems to have gone to great lengths to differentiate the characters and make each playthrough a completely unique experience. I think there is a lot of merit in that and while I would LOVE to be playing as most of the NPCs and would have liked to have seen a few more new faces, at least in this game I really feel I'll fully enjoy playing through the game as ALL 16 characters, and not start to feel bored and like I'm just grinding after about 5 or 6 characters. To be honest, most of the other games, no matter how different the characters look, whether they are slow or fast, what kind of weapons they use, etc, they really all end up playing very similarly and their movesets all end up fitting into the same general mold. However, in SB3, between the different skills, unique character traits, immensely different movesets (hell, one character is entirely devoted to fighting in the air) it starts to seem like this is almost the smarter road to take. I mean look at Warriors Orochi 2, it has what? 90 something characters? And is it really all that much better than the other Warriors games? For me personally, I had much more fun with DW5, and to be honest, I think they were going in the right direction for DW6, if only they didn't ship it out half baked. Revamping the gameplay, updating the character designs, they were really starting to breathe in some new life to the series (it got rushed and they forced out a below average product as a result, but the idea was there). They could have just done what SW3 did, and just add 7 characters to SB2H (maybe drop a few while they were at it), give an extra 2 or 3 skills to each character, update the story, add some fluff and call it a day. But it really seems like they are reworking the system from the ground up. I think it'll turn out much better for the series in the long run instead of just adding more to the same exact concept over and over. |
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| Claus | Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:24 pm Post #7310 |
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Kotaro himself is pretty much a filler character, people just don't view him that way because he isn't lame. But in reality, he is just a badass to fight on your way to Ujimasa, and he is hell of a lot of fun to play as. Sure, he fleshes out a few other characters slightly(he shows Sasuke and Kasuga how to be REAL ninjas in SB2:H, then slaughters them, hehehe) but really, all filler characters do flesh out people in some way, they just don't add much to the overall story. So yeah, Kotaro falls under a Filler character category, I'd say all the ninja do.
QFT E3 won't show anything new for Basara, thats for sure, its a Japanese game that has no influence from the west, why would they show new stuff in a foreign language? Thats just stupid, their fans wouldn't be able to undestand mos tof it. The best we'll get is some dubbed vids with some new footage, and thats fine by me =D |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:28 pm Post #7311 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Donīt get me started again. Let it rest...just let it rest. Youīll never accept some things and Iīll never accept some things so just let it rest. No one is right and wrong, mistakes for me, is awesomeness for you. And no one can be quoted for truth or wins... Some One Piece fans think the recent fillers are a disturbance and they suck, for me, I like them, cause I wanted to know, what happens to the Straw Hat Crew, since the crew and characters are most important to me, not the story arcs itself. While some say the new Star Wars films sucked, because they have so much useless stuff in it like Jar-Jar Binks, I really like. Itīs not the main point of the movies, it drives forth the story and the fights are nice (plus the animations are great) See where Iīm getting at? For me the characters are most important in SB3. Not that gameplay wouldnīt be of importance either, but I saw nothing wrong in SB2 moreover SB2:H. Didnīt mind it and never became bored. And Kobayashi picked the characters he wanted, not those the fans wanted. He admitted it, twice with Ujimasa and Oichi (though I guess no one wouldīve objected to Oichi...though that shouldīve been the same for Matsu ) and looked that way when you look at the exclusion of Sakon and the UNPCiness of Kanetsugu even though they were second and third rated in the most wanted character polls with over a 1000 votes.So just let it go. Characters are just not your main point. You look forward to the gameplay and new additions, more than to the characters. It was the other way around and I was utterly dissapointed. Just as for some arenīt the Straw Hat pirates in One Piece or the Story and Fights in Star Wars. Though I didnīt know the characters in SB2/H played so similiar for a lot Allways thought everyone was unique except for the obvious two skill clones and even some of them played unique Maybe you can clear that up RZ...was it really such a pain to play the characters? And Iīm surprised you let RZ compare SB to DW/SW/WO, Akiro. Itīs like comparing apples with pears. They are boths fruits but taste different. SB was allways more like DMC and now in SB3 even more. Again, never felt bored playing through the stories with the different characters, so thatīs why I probably wonīt understand the newness of this game and thus wonīt understand why itīs okay to cut and NPC so many characters, if nothing were wrong with them to begin with. (at least a lot of them )Maybe someone can explain that to me and enlighten me. Itīs not that it might change my way of liking SB, but it might make me understand you more. (instead of proving each other wrong like children )
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:30 pm.
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| Eni | Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:48 pm Post #7312 |
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BOOEH
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Thats exactly the kind of answer i was looking for, thanks a bunch. I didnt make the question with a sarcastic tone or anything, was seriously curious, thats all.
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| robotzombie | Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:57 pm Post #7313 |
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I didn't say the characters in SB2/H played similarly. I was talking about other games that tend to involve 20-30 playable characters and aren't fighting games. Everyone has always been pretty unique in terms of SB and I was explaining that the third game is looking to even further that, making each of the playable characters much deeper and have almost completely different playstyles. I never said it was a pain to play as characters in SB. And to completely deny a reason to compare the game with DW/SW/WO is pretty childish. It is obvious why they can be compared in the situation I was explaining. I was talking about putting a ton of characters into a game and how focusing just on the character number can dilute the sense of uniqueness between the characters, thus making the overall gameplay exactly the same, causing people to burn out after playing as less and less characters as the series goes on. And I never said I got bored of playing as different characters in SB, and that's fine that you didn't either. What I'm saying is that its good that they are vastly updating the characters NOW, as opposed to waiting for SB6 or 7. Because by that time, people WOULD get tired of playing as the same people over and over again and would only look forward to the brand new characters. Updating the old characters to this extent can really reignite interest in playing as them as well as any new characters. I'm just saying it seems like a much better way of pushing the series forward in the long term. The sacrifice is that the characters take a lot more work to create and adjust, thus we'll have a smaller roster. Edited by robotzombie, Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:06 am.
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| Gakupo | Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:33 am Post #7314 |
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Kobayashi picked those characters because it's his game. If he wanted to put in a horse/banana hybrid thing then he could because it's his game. In all seriousness though, can we not act like this is the final game of the entire series and just accept it for what it is? If your favorite character isn't usable in this one then wait for the next one. Hell, would it be so horrendous to maybe try out who we ARE getting in the hopes that maybe you'll get a new favorite out of it? I, for one, can't wait to try out these new faces. They look like they'll give me a fun time. |
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| ChibiGingi | Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:39 am Post #7315 |
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Well, when a lot of characters on the list of future PC/NPV possibilities show up on a massive BG/Ally-like feature, is it really hard to believe it will be? Not to mention, unlike SW, it actually seems to follow a set time line, first game being about Nobunaga's conquest, second being with Hideyoshi's conquest, and this game featuring the last of the unifiers' conquest. After Sekigahara, what else do you really have? Now, I'm rather hoping it's not the last game. But the possibility of it is still there in my mind, until I see otherwise. |
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| Gakupo | Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:50 am Post #7316 |
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They could always go back and use the new faces to flesh out the older veterans' backstories? That's the only plausible thing I could think of. |
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| ChibiGingi | Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:12 am Post #7317 |
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Or perhaps Basara can jump into another time period, but that's too far fetched to think about. Either way, I'm hoping (and certain) this isn't the last in the series, not without some kind of expansion or DLC. What a tragic way to go... to finally get our hands on it, and it be the last. If it's successful enough in the EU/US (HAHAHAHAHA), maybe they'll release the previous games ala WOZ style. Even if its successful enough in Japan and they release that compilation in Japan only, we could at least import it. That way I can go back and enjoy the cut and NPCified characters. Or just mod my PS2. I'm about ready to do that. |
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| SRS | Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:31 am Post #7318 |
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Awesome how you guys take one scene, spin your own made-up notions from it, and use that as proof that Kotaro is ruined and Tsuru sucks. There is ZERO fact that Kotaro's character is changed at all. Reminds me of how a certain someone says Ieyasu gets terrible treatment and made a villain in Samurai Warriors, when that is just what we see through Mitsunari, Yukimura and Kanetsugu's eyes, and boy do we know their goggles are shaded all kinds of zippy colors. In short, I don't understand why some of you guys feel you need to make-up reasons to hate about SB3 when there's plenty factual stuff to be upset over. |
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| Claus | Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:41 am Post #7319 |
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You must have read a different post than I did, because I didn't see anywhere in those two posts, that Tsuru has ruined Kotaro in their eyes, what I did gather, is that they worry that Tsuru, being quite the girlie girl, will taint Kotaro's badassery due to her involvement with him. Worry being a key word here. No reason to jump the gun though, its all just opinions, I mean, Xellos even said he will have to wait to see how much of an influence she has on him. @DK: I was fine with the comparison Robotzombie made, its not like he insulted either of them, and started a flame war (despite of deliciously hilarious thsoe can be) he said the truth, and he didn't belittle either of them, so it didn't bother me. |
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| SRS | Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:52 am Post #7320 |
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You haven't read devilking's previous posts then where he pretty much said that. |
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| ~in3vitableTIMING~ | Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:21 am Post #7321 |
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So what can we expect next week? is all the info going to be left to E3 or are they gonna make the first move and avoid the loss of a crowd Because there are Alot of games this year people like the look of (I personally do anyways) and Sengoku basara as much as I love it, really doesn't seem that important anymore (they need to hurry!)
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| Claus | Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:28 am Post #7322 |
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Ah, theres the golden words! @~in3vitableTIMING~ I don't think we should expect anything amazing at E3, I wouldn't be surprised if its just a recap of what was already shown at Captivate.
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| SRS | Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:44 am Post #7323 |
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Look, I can't recall the absolute exact words, and I'm sure I could find the post if I bothered to search through several months worth of post history. What is your problem and why are you trying to stir something up? |
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| Claus | Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:05 am Post #7324 |
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My problem? I'm probably bipolar or have aspergers, too lazy to get a doctor's consent though. >.> I'm not trying to stir anyting up though, (i've never understood why people say that, because all it can do is tick the person its directed to off, and then stir something up) I'm just saying there is no reason to read between the lines, so people are worried that a girlie girl may mess up personal favourite character of theirs, let them worry. And sometimes, when DK (and pretty much anyone) are writing a rant or whatever, they get flustered and start over-exaggerating and pver-dramatising things to make a point, yes it gets annoying, but since we've all yet to have seenhow Tsuru plays out, its all meaningless and should be taken with a grain of salt. Thats all I'm saying, I'm in no way trying to stir something up, I don't know where you got that idea from. |
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| ChibiGingi | Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:15 am Post #7325 |
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Haters gonna hate. The moment Tsuru was announced, she was pretty much placed in front of a firing squad, all because she's A) supposedly the 'loli' of the group (unless they reveal Itsuki), B) a woman that has nothing to do with the time period or events (thrown in over other possibilities for women of the time period), C) supposedly replaces Ranmaru, and/or D) IS SEEN IN THE SAME FRAME AS KOTARO, THEREFOR SHE MUST RUIN HIM. Personally, I think I like her gameplay enough to not really care about anything else 'wrong' she supposedly does, all for just existing. Sure, I'd love to have someone more to do with the time period, but seriously, no point in complaining. So long as she's fun to play, I'd tap that. |
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