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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| Oojin | Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:26 am Post #7326 |
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She's not supposed to be the new loli and never will be... She's a frilly teenage girl... Like she was planned to be |
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| Hondam | Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:32 am Post #7327 |
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"Planned to be"?... While she isn't a "loli," she still fills the spot of itsucki as the very young girl of the cast, can't argue against that. |
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| Claus | Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:33 am Post #7328 |
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Honestly, I'm pretty sure we all don't give a rat's ass about time periods, its the fact that she was added, while so many others were cut for the sake of keeping true to the timeline, it just makes her inclusion a slap in the face. She definitely ain't a loli Way too old for that, besides, Isn't she like, nineteen? Perfectly legal age. Not that it makes 'that' better, just.... nevermind. She looks nineteen to me, which is way past the loli age.I'm still holding off final judgement on her untill I actually play her. But her moves (and Basara mostly, I guess I hyped it up in my mind too much) dissapointed me, and her interactions with Motochika annoyed me, so I get the feeling she won't sit right with me, and some others. |
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| Oojin | Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:39 am Post #7329 |
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Oh hell! Thanks for unintentionally reminding me! Does anyone know who the Toad-boat actually belongs to? I don't recall if it was mentioned, and I forgot to ask last week ^ ^; (Reminded because...Motochika...pirate...pirates use boats...*cough*) -- Edit: Ya, planned to be, Hondam... If she was planned to be a loli, her design would be that of a loli... She was planned to be a teenage girl, as thus, her design is that of a teenage girl... Edited by Oojin, Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:41 am.
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| ChibiGingi | Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:39 am Post #7330 |
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Normally I could care less about time periods, but when others are cut because they didn't participate in the battle of Sekigahara, but she gets in because they need to fill in a spot for her district? It's weird that so many other good characters got removed for 'time period' issues, but not her when she has even less to do with Sekigahara than the entire cast? And I said 'supposedly' because that's what the haters are going to think, regardless if she is infact one or not. I wouldn't consider her loli; more like a homage to the old Bishoujou (Sailormoon), especially with that animated gif someone has with her. It just screams Sailormoon to me, and somehow that cancels out any real hatred I have of her (along with her moveset). The only crime she really committed (in my eyes) was not having anything to do with the time period, but then again, Mitsuhide/Tenkai is in, as well as Motonari, so it's pointless to hate her just because of that. |
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| SRS | Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:12 am Post #7331 |
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Thank you for explaining. I withdraw my previous comment. |
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| Dukemon | Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:23 am Post #7332 |
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ammm, if those 6 idiots are six of 34 characters. Musashi may be most possible of last one, because he will appear in anime season2. The second possible of last one is Itsuki, because her true form and Ice element. And those are can be Growing up like ieyashu. Edited by Dukemon, Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 am.
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| Ixbran | Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:07 am Post #7333 |
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True Form? i am confused, would you please explain? |
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| Nghet | Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:40 am Post #7334 |
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Duhwee hearts Mikey <3 <3 <3
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Those 6 are not idiots,just because their NPCs doesn't mean they are douches like Yukimura. Itsuki true form ? Ieyasu is the only one gonna grow up Sorry to crush your hope but I don't like the way you judge books by covers |
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| Dukemon | Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:38 am Post #7335 |
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Nevermind, time will judge those four. And Itsuki, liked Zabi, she isn't 100% fictional character. She is megohime, Itsuki just other reading of megohime. Edited by Dukemon, Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:41 am.
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| SRS | Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:18 am Post #7336 |
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What, no, how did you even come to this conclusion. Itsuki is 100% fictional. Her name has nothing to do with Megohime, and it's a pun on "Ikki" from Ikko-Ikki. |
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| LsLights | Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:08 am Post #7337 |
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ok, how long are you guys going to keep posting the same things about tsuru, it is really annoying, you say it all the time how she'll ruin things blah blah blah, i know it wasn't really bad this time but come on I say you guys just go make a tsuru hate thread and post there ( not meaning to offend anyone but seriously, we get it you dont like tsuru ) Anyways i hope they don't include Itsuki and instead Hisahide or a new charcter No way do i want Musashi in And how is Itsuki megohime? |
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| necrosis | Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:19 am Post #7338 |
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Wow, n00bs making up random BS. Been a while since I've seen that. As Seraphil pointed out, its not another reading of her name, not to mention that Masamune being at war with her wouldn't make a damn bit of smegging sense, and they would have SOME relationship chart diagram and lines if she was any way derived from her. WHERE do these people come from? |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:30 am Post #7339 |
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MUHAHAHAHA...my evil plan worked (sorry to involve you Hondam, RZ, Akiro )The thread lives again and is full of emotion packed discussions. Now, since the information time starts soon E3 and thus maybe even new news on SB:SH there or at least new english trailers, as well as the video of ossan-one-strike, weīll have something other to talk about soon. Though, whatever the reason, it shifted to Tsuruhime again. Well, if I may, Balder posted a nice list, that doesnīt even include loli or moveset: 1. Her inclusion goes against Koba's statements that the sequel obeys a time-progression logic. 2. 4 of my favorites (H&H and the Oda couple) got canned under said logic, making her appearance the more insulting. 3. Of all newcomers she's the one most clearly hogging a slot for someone more relevant. 4. I pretty much 'ed at every one of her lines during her gameplay video. "I could be a dancer"...really? 5. What she did to Kotaro, I bet she'll do to every character that interacts with her - make him/her look embarrassingly bad. So here you have my real reasons for not liking her, not the pedophile/loli stuff I do to troll a bit Though Iīd add a sixth point: Of all the characters Kobayashi could choose from to have "at least some females" she gets in over Matsu? This is unforgivable and Iīm probably the only one who thinks that way, but itīs one of the major points. Though itīs similiar to point 3... And were was it confirmed that Musashi is in the second season of the anime? Also the anime is nowhere near to be considered an important factor for picking characters. Yoshihiro died (a miserable death) in the anime, as well as Ujimasa and yet heīs still around. Oichi was supposed to be dead too and yet sheīs still safe and sound in SB3. But again, were was this confirmed? Iīd like to see him make an appearance Maybe heīll pull of the anime version of his BASARA BTW Hondam, BK, is it allowed to make such a thread? Tsuru is really hated a lot for good reasons Should we make a hate Tsuru thread?
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| SingerOfW | Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:28 am Post #7340 |
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I've wanted to comment this list ever since I saw it, and I haven't because I don't want to critique others for their opinions. But, since you seem to take these opinions for facts, I'll give it a try. 1-2: Basara world and real world are completely different. Sure, it seems obvious, but people still manage to forget it for some reason. The time goes on in both worlds, but they still stay different. While Nobunaga and Hideyoshi die in both worlds, that doesn't mean that the rest of the cast should follow the fate of their historical counterparts. Real Motonari and Basara Motonari are not the same person, and that's why he can witness Sekigahara. Unsurprisingly, the same goes for Tsuru. 3: Why is it that people talk about mysterious "woman slots" or "new character slots", like these numbers are written in stone before the game is even made? I'm pretty sure that none of the game developers thought something like "we need exactly N new characters, no more, no less". If your favorite character didn't make it, but someone else did, it doesn't mean that they're involved in some kind of conspiracy. 4-5: Well, that's just the way she is - she's a happy girl on the battlefield of men, and she's doomed to look alien. I always liked Basara for the diversity of characters' personalities, and a Tsuru-like character was bound to appear sooner or later. I'll repeat myself: she fits Basara with her outgoing cheerfulness and kinda anachronistic behavior, and that's all that matters. It's better to try something different than to make yet another stone-faced samurai. 6: While Matsu does have a bigger role in the overall story, I find it downright impossible to make her a PC without making Toshiie a PC, too. And while it'd be awesome to have them both as PCs, it'd contradict the "one character for a province" rule. Sure, that rule is not that logical (and I haven't lurked enough to see it mentioned in any interviews yet), but it's still a rule. And yeah, this is similar to point 3, alright. PS: Damn, it seems that I did critique someone for his opinion. But hey, at least we're having a nice discussion here. |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:17 pm Post #7341 |
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Okay...point 3: does the term "lots of new females" ring a bit in your ears? Something Kobayashi said? Hey there are lots of new females. Matter of fact, two! Holy Moly, Batman, hold your horses, or thereīll be a flood of boobs. Add to them Oichi and you have an astounding three female characters. But thatīs not all, thereīs also Kasuga and Matsu in the juggling boobs youīll only watch department. Add a dead Noh and a missing Itsuki and you have indeed lots of new females, right? Everyone who agrees here, that we really have so many females that we canīt even count them, raise your hand! So, itīs not set in stone, but he did say that. He might pass with lots of new characters and biggest roster ever with all the NPCs, but he said lots of new females. He shouldnīt have said that, if thatīs all he got. As for 1-2. Yep. BASARA is different. So why are all those characters dead? Because for the first time they took in history. Didnīt you get the point of Balder? Thatīs exactly the problem. BASARA never cared for history except for some designs and levels. And suddenly he kills off the Nobunaga crew, Nagamasa, Yoshimoto, Hideyoshi, Hanbei and as far as it looks Kennyo? To make for a more realistic and dramatic setting? Yeah, great dramatic setting with a crany girl that wants to be a stripper...eh...dancer and engulfs every character in a cutscene of sparkly glittery pink and thus letīs them look like a douche and great realistic setting when those are dead and Tsuruhime, who could be Nobunagaīs mother or even granny dances around as a sixtenn year old Sailor Moon cosplay. So itīs even more a slap in the face, if you consider that Kobayashi set up rules to explain and defend why some characters are dead, cut or NPCs and then Tsuruhime comes along and just spits at everyone of them. For 6: Wait, wait, wait...what? Matsu would break the one character per clan rule? How? Why? As far as youīve noticed Keiji represents the Uesugi AND the Maeda. Toshiie and Matsu have their own stage, in their own province. Itīs even official that Keiji now works for the Uesugi and thus is not a member of their clan anymore. She would not only represent a playable character for the Maeda province, but also provide a "real" Maeda (you know, a pretty big clan, not as important as the Kouno clan and Tsuruhime it seems, but hey, who cares ) and add to the more females you can play as.As for point 4-5: Again, yep. The death of those characters and the extremely "Why so serious" setting of Sekigahara is the thing that got us in this mess in the first place. It sacrificed many of the badass characters and thus a lot of those "stone faced Samurai" are missing now, thanks to that. A lot of the comedy characters are NPC or missing too, thanks to that. Even the posterboys lost their charm with Yukimura losing the punching festival and his fanboyism. All for a more realistic and serious setting. And what did we get to make up for it and to keep "the charm of BASARA"? Tsuruhime. I wouldīve liked me the old style of story telling instead of all that serious shyte and realism if the trade is that. EDIT: So itīs not that I and I guess the others too, hate the idea of having a school girl that wants to spank pirates in BASARA, but the fact that everything we sacrificed (or better said they generously sacrificed for us...thank you BASARA team ) is getting laughed at by Tsuruhimeīs appearance.Sorry for referring to Brawl again, but it had the same issues with itīs roster. No one hated R.O.B. as a "person", but much more the fact that they added him instead of other characters, that wouldīve added much more to the game as well as added a character that fans wanted in. (he got his own moveset, while Ganondorf was still a Falcon clone...what a joke )Same as Tsuruhime here. So many characters are cut or NPCīd for the sake of history, seriousness and whatsoever, there is such a restricted amount of characters that can be added in a setting revolved around Sekigahara and there are only 16 playable character spots...and despite all this they add a playable character that adds absolutely nothing to the SB3 story, has no revelance at all to Sekigahara (Kotaro at least opposed the Tokugawa in history for example) and gets in over so many other characters that couldīve been in there as well as all the character we canīt play as thanks to those damn rules and the restricted amount of playable characters. (the Uesugi and the Maeda - 4 characters and a landlord - are being represented by ONE PLAYABLE CHARACTER in SB3) Again, itīs not really Tsuruhime herself and her school girl appearance...itīs the whole idea of her being. A filler ![]() And if youīve noticed all the comedy/filler characters are unplayable, even those that are funnier and would even add something to the story. So again a kick in the nuts. Thank you, you pink disaster. Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:39 pm.
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:20 pm Post #7342 |
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This was such a nice thread, once upon a time....... Koba said some new info might come out of the E3. let's just hope he didn't lie again. |
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| LsLights | Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:14 pm Post #7343 |
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I have to agree about Keiji, what the hell is that all about? ![]() He takes up 2 clans! 2 clans and both are the clans which have my 2 favourite women in and all we get is him #%^$&*^%! ![]() But anyways i am just hoping for some super unrealistic magic miracle where Koba is fired and some new magic kind person comes along and makes evryone playable in SB3
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:05 pm Post #7344 |
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Itīs still a nice thread...just without informations, since certain somebodies, though it would be awesome to throw out all the awesome informations first and then leave the crap, bad news, nearing the release to bring out semi-interesting news shortly before the release. I bet if they announced the NPC wave and all the bad stuff first and now brought out all the goodies it wouldīve worked out, that it pulled out everyone out of the low. Letīs hope you are right NDY and the last character (which might be revealed the E3...it could be, I mean, itīs a big conference that not only japan, but also the rest of the world keeps an eye on ) will blow all the bad stuff away. Blow...away...
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| Nghet | Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:13 pm Post #7345 |
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OMG,pliz tell me you wasn't serious,tell me you never played any BS before,tell me you just read the manga or watched the anime and ran into this forum to fan girl over Yukimura and Masamune so I can let it go. Did I even mention Itsuki being fictional or what in my post ? Why you even brought that up anyway ? So what is Itsuki's true form ? The enchanting Megohime ? |
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| Wurf | Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:37 pm Post #7346 |
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The way I see it, Tsuru seems to be an intentional parody of the magical girl/purity sue cliches. Her lines are probably supposed to be as cheesy as they are, and as such, I don't think she'll have any hopes of "ruining" Kotarou. Oh well. I could be wrong, though. |
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| Tetsuo9999 | Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:38 pm Post #7347 |
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Ignoring all the flaming and whatnot, I had a small question. Does the Asia version have Japanese as an option, or is it strictly limited to something else? I noticed it was almost 25$ cheaper on Play-Asia, but I'm not going to buy the game and produce videos if I can't read anything. |
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| robotzombie | Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:00 pm Post #7348 |
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^yes, the Asian version should have Japanese language. It's most likely no different than the Japanese version |
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| Hondam | Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:07 pm Post #7349 |
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Tetsuo- Asian version is the exact same as the Japanese ver, but the manual comes in chinese I believe. |
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| Tetsuo9999 | Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:15 pm Post #7350 |
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That's exactly what I wanted to hear. Thanks, guys. I'll try to produce videos for this once it comes out, provided that I can sabotage my friend's PS3 to play it. |
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Way too old for that, besides, Isn't she like, nineteen? Perfectly legal age. Not that it makes 'that' better, just.... nevermind. She looks nineteen to me, which is way past the loli age.





ok, how long are you guys going to keep posting the same things about tsuru, it is really annoying, you say it all the time how she'll ruin things blah blah blah, i know it wasn't really bad this time but come on
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