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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,043 Views)
Wurf
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Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:00 pm
Everyone's been disappointed in one way or another (I certainly have)
i'm not saying this title is bad but I believe that if someone is in the business of design the only competition (at the best of times) should be yourself and fact is this isn't better than SB2:H so... Competition failed.
Really? Name me one aspect of SB3 that doesn't outshine SB2 and SB2:H, aside from the number of playables.
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Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:55 pm
Lastly, glad to hear everyone is all excited for Kanbei now, I remember when he was first announced, and even through the course of his first gameplay video, most people didn't seem to like him very much.
Actually, he's still one of my least favorite PCs in the game, but only because the rest of the roster is so awesome. And yes, he did rise in my eyes after that trailer.

Oh, and the only thing that I don't like about SB3 so far is the opening. Guess I'm in the total minority here. Ah, and the fact that I still don't have a PS3. Well, I have enough time to buy it after I find a job for this summer.
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Paptimus Scirocco
Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:04 pm
I hate...almost every last one of you...
:lol: Awww dude I love you too!... C'mon now wheres the KW love
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For someone who thinks the other Basaras were better than the third, I'd so nowhere
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Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:33 pm
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For someone who thinks the other Basaras were better than the third, I'd so nowhere
Without so much as playing it mind you.

Really, the things some of you say :facepalm: As if you've played it to the bone. Everyone who has played it, say its amazing, why do some of you insist on denying that? :uh: When the demo comes out, and you've played it, and still say its crap, then complain.

@RobotZombie: I'm pretty sure the famitsu was just an in-depth analysis of Mitsunari and Ieyasu's move sets, nothing special, if it was anytihng worthwhile, someone would have posted it. I don't know about the rest of you, but I rather not hear about every last move each character has, straight down to the movement of the muscles, it would spoil the game. :rolleyes:
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Err, yeah, DK, like Balder said, you should really consider toning down your 'shattered hope' posts. As the game is getting closer to release more people are going to be more excited about the game. Just let them have their fun. If they become sorely disappointed in the future even more than us, it's their own risk.

Me? Yeah, you know already there's one thing that breaks my 'fan pledge' to SB, but I'd rather keep it to myself than upscaling it to an unnecessary chaos which will become a lose-lose situation. :mellow:

Besides, there's always a better alternative coming soon... in Shogun 2: Total War :whistle: :ph43r:


Anyway, sorry for not posting earlier, but this week's Famitsu does contain more gameplay descriptions.... but of Ieyasu, Mitsunari, Yoshitsugu, Kanbei, Maggie and Tsuru, all in once. And Masamune & Yukimura, once again for the sake of fujoshis. *sic*

And obviously nobody would be bothered to scan such pages. :/
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Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:42 pm
Anyway, sorry for not posting earlier, but this week's Famitsu does contain more gameplay descriptions.... but of Ieyasu, Mitsunari, Yoshitsugu, Kanbei, Maggie and Tsuru, all in once. And Masamune & Yukimura, once again for the sake of fujoshis. *sic*

And obviously nobody would be bothered to scan such pages. :/
Well, if they're going at this pace, they'll probably get through everyone in 1-2 weeks. After that, we should finally get our Hisahide. Unless they're also going to do in-depth analyses of NPC skills...
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Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:07 pm
~in3vitableTIMING~
Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:00 pm
Everyone's been disappointed in one way or another (I certainly have)
i'm not saying this title is bad but I believe that if someone is in the business of design the only competition (at the best of times) should be yourself and fact is this isn't better than SB2:H so... Competition failed.
Really? Name me one aspect of SB3 that doesn't outshine SB2 and SB2:H, aside from the number of playables.
1) No online play
Considering that next generation games live on this prospect this feature would of massively work in the titles favour, being able to Co-Op or Vs can be the deciding factor on how long a game lives

The ps2 version is local Co-Op or Vs right?
the next step up would naturally be online.
Co-op in groups of two or three to one map or two on two for a real battle feel (you know the whole "you go this way, I'll go that way")
Vs mode could have been added in the same fashion.

2) The enemies don't really seem to have improved.
And since i'm working to get into this industry you really have to be openminded about alot of things (although I do have my limits i'm not an FPS fan :P ) and always ask questions and one thing I never got is why the enemies seem to be sitting ducks kinda makes it to easy even on hard mode ( even SB2:H's hard mode was way too easy)

3) You guys have even said it yourselves but the selection of cast (and i'm not going on NPC i'm talkin PC) is pretty irrelevant when it comes to the third instalment if you want something to kick ass build it strong from the roots up.
I love Oichi and the make over, but her involvement is kinda wack same with Tsuru and Motonari

Like I said before you brought this up (i'm happy to live and let live) and I NEVER said it was bad you guys are making the judgement for me ( and alot of that seem to be flying around) i'm only giving my opinion its not my fault if you may see some sort of truth in it and get pissed off, like the saying gos "Don't kill the messenger".
but just imagine if they Added a relevant Cast, added online play, and made the enemies just as engaging as the playable characters themselves Maybe IGN would have nothing to do but put there socks in there mouths.

But hey what do I know :hehe:
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Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:51 pm
DONīT SAY THAT ~in3vitableTIMING~

Thatīs forbidden. Everything is fine. He said that game is something special, nothing wrong with it.

Itīs epic and better than anything thatīs out there, even better than SB2:H.

That was close or there wouldīve been a defend SB3 suicide squad attack. :ph43r:
So....would you rather have me brooding over and over?

Seriously, if you dont like the game, its cool and all but please, please let the people who actually want the game, like me (which would be my first Basara game), enjoy it.
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Oojin
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I think everyone's confused because no one knows how to type or read a complete and well thought out post...
...

• Timing: Are you defending 3, or what? You're contradicting yourself

• Devil: What about you?
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Paptimus Scirocco
Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:06 pm
I think everyone's confused because no one knows how to type or read a complete and well thought out post...
...

• Timing: Are you defending 3, or what? You're contradicting yourself

• Devil: What about you?
lol you should take your own advise. :XD (no offence)

I was giving points to how SB3 could have been better like I keep saying its NOT a bad title but for the stage the series is at its not at its best either, which is disappointing.

If I was For or Against I would stress only one point of the discussion/argument (pretty much how a lawyer would be "BIAS") but thats not the case im just stating on what they blatantly missed out.
Edited by ~in3vitableTIMING~, Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:18 pm.
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Oojin
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You're pro at words
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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:huh:

For the long term SB board users, since those who just came here thanks to E3 and other information sites and want to point out how awesome/flawed this game is wouldnīt understand what we have here :dance:
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Also no signs for the demo yet, Home section of CAPCOM is still under construction. Might really turn out to be a "release date demo" :/

Maybe someone could take the time and find out how much space we have to reserve for SB3 if itīs on the packshot:
http://s411.photobucket.com/albums/pp191/koeiwarriors/BlackKite/?action=view&current=vlgame018505.jpg

I donīt know if the 6,990 number is supposed to be it...is it even on the packshot?

Since Resident Evil 5 Gold Edition takes up 6000MB (thatīs about 6 Gigabyte for those who donīt know) seeing as Little Big Planet allready takes up a lot of Space, as well as Borderlands and the downloaded FF titles and other Psone classics, itīs getting a bit cramped up.(I assume you have a bit bigger hard disk space Balder...since I only have the 32GB version... :facepalm: )

I hope I donīt have to delete something for it...but if it has to be -_-

Never played a game without installing it first, so I donīt know the difference. Only time I did so was with DW6...and thatīs not something you can compare with a game like BASARA 3...or any game by that, which is released nowadays. :ph43r:
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"overdramatize and troll with much fun" might be your explanation for it, but all the rest of us see is the same exact post over and over again which provides nothing new and is repeated ad nauseum. If you had anything new at all to say in one of your long winded posts, it would be more interesting to read. But it is simply the same thing repeated multiple times, no matter what new info tends to come out (positive or negative). I'm sure everyone here knows your complaints inside and out and could repeat them by heart at this point.

And to suggest I in any way am trying to police other people from speaking their criticisms or that I find this game to be perfect at all is completely ridiculous. I have quite a few problems with the game (Matsu being unplayable is ridiculous, the false promises, new character NPCs). The difference is, I've explained them already, so why keep repeating them? It is the constant repeating of the same "opinion" of yours that is annoying. How many times do you plan on doing it? Are you really hoping that your repetition will sway other people? And that is why it's specifically not just speaking one's own opinion, because you've done that more than enough. That is the reason people tell you to go to the complaints thread, because it has become overkill.
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Mibu Kyoshiro
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Come on people,let's behave.We must act maturely.Cheer up.It's going to be a good gaming year and BASARA 3 is in it.

Oh,for god's sake,must i always up people?Here,have at thee :

Agreed,like DK said SB3 won't be teh bset gaem eva,but the Heroes expansion can be.So I say get your hopes up BASARA fans,new and old.Just have one year's patience.

...It doesn't work,huh...ok then!*BGM : DEEP BREATH from Kamen Rider Agito.*

Posuto Fan-Ken ougi : Hyakurestu Pen

HA!TACTACTACTACTACTACTACTACTACTACHYA!!!!!

The message...is already posted!!

Sengoku BASARA 4 Fujoshi Version : The game that features over 100 characters,out of them only Masamune and Yukimura are playable.Also we feature 100% more pretty boy sparkles and male X male pairings.Plus after the game is finished you get to unlock the Yaoi-maker,where you can create Yaoi pictures out of Tsuchi's artwork you unlock through the game.

Sengoku BASARA 4!Because we care about our fanbase.Yes,we care about you,fujoshi.


Sengoku BASARA 4 Normal Version : The game that features over 60 characters,out of them only 10 are unplayable due to their "broken endgame boss" status[Note : NOT previous characters bu new].Also we feature 100% more awesomeness in each and every character along with a mature Itsuki and the return of characters that were peviously cut,better than ever.Also the inclusion of BASARA's "Supergirl" : Date Megohime.Plus after the game is finished you get to unlock the Tsuchi's smexy art wallpapers and you can get a pairing ending like : Masamune and Negohime or Keiji and Magoichi etc.Plausible,normal and straight pairings.Also dual voices.

Sengoku BASARA 4 Adult XXX Version : Just like the normal version,but here 10000% more females are shown,both in loli and naked form and we feature a simpler system so that player can play with one hand the game without having any problem.Also each pairing ending is going to have copious amounts of Hentai with an extra "cosplay s3x" mode,where fanous AV stars dress up as your favourite heroes and make love.Also the players nude patches and jiggly patches for the girls along wwith a set of downloadable "erotica techniques".The game also features hot,,young,boobalicious female versions of the male characters.They can also be paired with other females to have a yuri or futa endings.

Note : the "cosplay s3x" mode doesn't involve lolis,maleXmale and old men pairings.


If this doens't work,I'll kill you.Seriously.I know Hokuto Shinken.yeah.
Edited by Mibu Kyoshiro, Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:55 pm.
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Xellos
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Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:11 am
Is that Liam O'Brien voicing Ieyasu?...that's epic. Richard is a good Kanbei. Seriously though now I'll be thinking of Gotto hitting on every woman ever when I play as Ieyasu. Which reminds me Gust should totally do a Mana Khemia 3. good stuff at E3 thus far, can't wait to see what's on later today.
And then you remember that he has also voiced Vayne. Oh damn.
And I'd rather have a Mana Khemia 2 Portable in English.

The voices are nice, but I'm still afraid of what they're going to do with Ichi.

And Kotaro looks like a damn juggler. Which is awesome.
I'd sure love to see a portable MK2 then I could pound everything with Pepperoni on the go. Though I'd really like to see a next-gen MK...after all the Atelier stuffs.

Any who back on track here I agree that most of the voices are lame thus far I only really like Ieyasu, Kanbei and Yukimura...everyone else I've heard sounds too similar or just lame. As for Kotaro I think I came when I saw his gameplay it was soooooooo good. I'm hoping we'll get the demo in the E3 section soon...though I won't keep my fingers crossed

also @ Paptimus instead of trying to stir further conflict and what not...how's about you post something productive...just a thought. *shrugs*
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I too am getting sick of the constant negativity and complaining about this game. Yes, Kobayashi has a tendency to release games with a fraction of the content that people expect, or in extreme cases, content that's advertised but not present (DMC4), but he is ONE piece of a huge machine that makes these games. It doesn't make sense to pin EVERY flaw this game has on one person. CAPCOM is a strict Japanese company and they obviously want this game to be out before summer ends, in an attempt to curb the typical summer gaming drought. I'm sure most of the cut content was intended to be in the game, but no development team is safe from what the higher-ups want. Even so, the titles he produces are still robust in terms of gameplay and overall quality, so I don't see the need for constant walls of text whining about the exact same thing.

This game looks extremely solid in the gameplay department, and anyone in the game industry would tell you that this many fully realized NPCs just means that they'll be playable in the near-future. Nickel-and-diming it may be, but at least it's something. Instead of complaining about it time and time again, why can't you just drop all hype for the game and wait for the inevitable expansion? It would really increase the overall mood and morale in this thread.
Edited by Tetsuo9999, Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:58 pm.
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Come on people,let's behave.We must act maturely.Cheer up.It's going to be a good gaming year and BASARA 3 is in it.

Oh,for god's sake,must i always up people?Here,have at thee :

Agreed,like DK said SB3 won't be teh bset gaem eva,but the Heroes expansion can be.So I say get your hopes up BASARA fans,new and old.Just have one year's patience.

...It doesn't work,huh...ok then!*BGM : DEEP BREATH from Kamen Rider Agito.*

Posuto Fan-Ken ougi : Hyakurestu Pen

HA!TACTACTACTACTACTACTACTACTACTACHYA!!!!!

The message...is already posted!!

Sengoku BASARA 4 Fujoshi Version : The game that features over 100 characters,out of them only Masamune and Yukimura are playable.Also we feature 100% more pretty boy sparkles and male X male pairings.Plus after the game is finished you get to unlock the Yaoi-maker,where you can create Yaoi pictures out of Tsuchi's artwork you unlock through the game.

Sengoku BASARA 4!Because we care about our fanbase.Yes,we care about you,fujoshi.


Sengoku BASARA 4 Normal Version : The game that features over 60 characters,out of them only 10 are unplayable due to their "broken endgame boss" status[Note : NOT previous characters bu new].Also we feature 100% more awesomeness in each and every character along with a mature Itsuki and the return of characters that were peviously cut,better than ever.Also the inclusion of BASARA's "Supergirl" : Date Megohime.Plus after the game is finished you get to unlock the Tsuchi's smexy art wallpapers and you can get a pairing ending like : Masamune and Negohime or Keiji and Magoichi etc.Plausible,normal and straight pairings.Also dual voices.

Sengoku BASARA 4 Adult XXX Version : Just like the normal version,but here 10000% more females are shown,both in loli and naked form and we feature a simpler system so that player can play with one hand the game without having any problem.Also each pairing ending is going to have copious amounts of Hentai with an extra "cosplay s3x" mode,where fanous AV stars dress up as your favourite heroes and make love.Also the players nude patches and jiggly patches for the girls along wwith a set of downloadable "erotica techniques".The game also features hot,,young,boobalicious female versions of the male characters.They can also be paired with other females to have a yuri or futa endings.

Note : the "cosplay s3x" mode doesn't involve lolis,maleXmale and old men pairings.


If this doens't work,I'll kill you.Seriously.I know Hokuto Shinken.yeah.
Did you just regurgitate on the page...cause I can't make a lick of sense out of this bollocks. Stop whining you sound like one of those KH/FF fans, just let it go. It's not nearly as bad as you are making it and you know it. The only problem I have is NPC Katakura and no Nagamasa which both were more than made up for. Like Hondam has stated many a time...don't knock a game you've yet to play. I at least can say how bad FFXIII is since I played it at a friend's house. xP Seriously though...What even was that garbage you uttered?
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Madness? On our page nš 300? I can certainly appreciate the irony.


BlackKite,
Thanks once again for the heads-up. If so many characters got feature, as Wurf pointed out, we might know PC #16 a lot sooner than expected. You'll all have to forgive me, but I refuse to take Matsunaga for granted...


I think ~in3vitableTIMING~ nailed the point well. The game is good, it might even be great but still not free from it's negative points. Objective negative points.
Putting aside our disappointments for who'd we want on the cast or who'd we want to be PC or NPC (one man's Matsu is another man's Honda and one man's Ginchiyo is another man's Takatora), the game has room for improvement, and I don't mean "40 characters, 60 stages and Dante". Minor things to some but definitely things that would considerably improve the experience.
Personally, my biggest reasonable beef with this game is the lack of dual-audio. I know it's trivial to some but means a lot to little ol' me.
About the gameplay novelties, I don't know how they will work in the end BUT, personally and speculatively, between 6 unique bodyguards to choose from or just 1 or 2 new PCs, I would prefer the later.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record,
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In all honesty...
With all of what you people have said▬
All of the complaining,
Pointing out faults,
Supposed internet rage.

Is any of that going to keep you from buying this game?
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I just noticed something in Kotaro's video. He went from regular combo, to a skill straight into his Basara, and then from the Basara he did the same skill again and continued his combo. In SB2H, the general trend was that the Basara kind of killed the combo meter, didn't it? Unless of course you got up to 500(?) hits I believe and hit Fever mode (which isn't what happened in the video)
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Madness? On our page nš 300? I can certainly appreciate the irony.


BlackKite,
Thanks once again for the heads-up. If so many characters got feature, as Wurf pointed out, we might know PC #16 a lot sooner than expected. You'll all have to forgive me, but I refuse to take Matsunaga for granted...


I think ~in3vitableTIMING~ nailed the point well. The game is good, it might even be great but still not free from it's negative points. Objective negative points.
Putting aside our disappointments for who'd we want on the cast or who'd we want to be PC or NPC (one man's Matsu is another man's Honda and one man's Ginchiyo is another man's Takatora), the game has room for improvement, and I don't mean "40 characters, 60 stages and Dante". Minor things to some but definitely things that would considerably improve the experience.
Personally, my biggest reasonable beef with this game is the lack of dual-audio. I know it's trivial to some but means a lot to little ol' me.
About the gameplay novelties, I don't know how they will work in the end BUT, personally and speculatively, between 6 unique bodyguards to choose from or just 1 or 2 new PCs, I would prefer the later.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record,
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Kobayashi is essentially Japan's version of Peter Molyneux. He's excellent at promoting his product, but not so good at delivering on what is promised. Nevertheless, they deliver solid products eventually. I wish he'd man up and at least admit to breaking a ton of promises with this game as Molyneux has in the past, but again, all the blame can't be held on him. I'm sure he and his team were under constant pressure to release this game by the end of the summer, and they must have realized that it was impossible to put all the intended content in by the deadline.
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Letīs get back to buisness again. Forget the bad things and blame Tsuruhime for it. :sly:

Really, I was serious about that thing with the disc space:
Is someone able to make out if it stands somewhere?

Cause that 6990 thing, could either mean around 6,9 MB or 6,9 GB.
Or itīs just something else -_-

Balder summed it up pretty nicely (like allways, excellent post...Iīm feeling like Iīm getting more intelligent by reading your posts...is english your mother language or did you learn that in school? Cause if you learned it in school, I have to visit my old school and show them your posts and ask my teacher, why he allways told us, he taught us english on a high niveau...that liar... <_< )

And if that isnīt enough how Kobayashi and his crew screwed up a lot of us, take me as an example:
I was once the most loyal SB fan, ever, but it turned out to be a "second Sakurai Brawl PR strategy" and he didnīt stop after we realized it was all a joke with twisting the 12 weapons thing...that made me what I am now. A negative and dissapointed remnant of the good old SB2:H days that would take a playable Kenshin and Matsu any day over those added features like slow motion and bodyguards.

Look at the twisted clown. All that is your fault Kobayashi and co. :mellow:
Your fault Kobayashi. YOU KILLED HIDEYOSHI.
KOBAYASHIIIIIIII!!!

Hmmm...on a side note: Where are the Famitsu leaks?
Nothing on that yet...meh, tomorrow Yoshihiro is there to show us how you handle a big sword without having spikey blonde hair and being an emo. :rolleyes:

And yes RZ, I donīt know who pointed it out (guess it was in the video thread) when the first videos came out. Though I wouldnīt really use a BASARA for racking up combos, since most of the things you could make more combos with are normally eliminated after it (at least when you use Hondam...those lightningīs leave nothing untouched :ph43r: )

@ Bonitiger: It seems you havenīt heard Yoshitsuguīs voice yet :whistle:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:21 pm.
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This topic is giving me a headache, so much over-analysis :facepalm: :uh: :sad: . I really don't know what is wrong, why are complaining, nothing bad has happened has it? I've certainly seen nothing, apart from the lack of PC's, but we're over that now, right :uh: ?

If I have to whine it'll be Ieyau's voice, now that is garbage. The one thing that is actuallt just WRRROOOOONG.
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This topic is giving me a headache, so much over-analysis :facepalm: :uh: :sad: . I really don't know what is wrong, why are complaining, nothing bad has happened has it? I've certainly seen nothing, apart from the lack of PC's, but we're over that now, right :uh: ?

If I have to whine it'll be Ieyau's voice, now that is garbage. The one thing that is actuallt just WRRROOOOONG.
How do you not like Ieyasu's voice. Liam O'Brien is epic...plus I think it fits him rather well. Magoichi's voice is garbage. "fly crows of Saika" NO! just no!
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