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| HokutoNoBen | Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:54 pm Post #751 |
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Personally, I think the crazy people at the "SomethingAwful" forums came up with the PERFECT translation of Oyakata-sama: "Lord Awesome". It works out better, the more you say it to yourself, and how it attributes itself to such a hot-blooded series like BASARA. Still...I do think the series would benefit from at LEAST a JP language option. Between the Wii having access to a DL DVD, and the PS3 having a Blu-ray, there's really NO excuse to not have a JP language track, in my eyes. But any way, it's good that Capcom is definitely trying to advertise the series in Japan. Because beginning with TGS, which should really be the first time that SB is allowed to be seen in person, they should do everything in their power to make sure that the game does NOT leave the minds of the people. And after SenMu 3 comes out in November, that should only escalate their own efforts. So, I have no doubt that SB3 is going to do well in Japan. In some ways, Capcom is actually utilizing Koei's series as a nice "peon", in itself. Koei sets up things nicely, by going on the frontlines, such that Capcom can take advantage for when it's their time to go on stage of battle. "Yeah...y'all go on ahead! We're RIGHT BEHIND you!" Things can only get more interesting from here on in... |
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| Claus | Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:26 pm Post #752 |
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lord awesome! i like that..... I don't know how hard it is to add a JAP voice option, but it can't be that hard... I mean you already have it for the origional BASARA game... it can't be too hard. Having a JAP voice option would just make my day... i wouldn't have to listen to a crappy Mitsuhide >_> but the sadistic one that i love so much. At first when KOei was giong all out with the news of SW3 i was really excited, then a few weeks later and BASARA starts pelting out the news and im starting to care less, and less of SW3... |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:32 pm Post #753 |
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Well for me a translated game would be more than enough. Just put subs and english texts were they should belong and Iīd buy it a second time, just to understand it. But since thatīs not very likely, seeing as allmost every CAPCOM game got an english DUB... But hey, I for my part, thought DK had a very decent VA. Iīm normally very picky about that, but they did their job well, for what they had to work with But since CAPCOM also has included the voice option in their games (namely Street Fighter IV) it wouldnīt be too hard to add it again. Itīs not so much work either. They allready have the japanese voices and all they have to do is add a voice option under options and if itīs english the system just reads the english track, J option it reads the japanese track. Afterall this is the next generation, as much as this shouldnīt be asked too much, ainīt it?
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| Claus | Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:39 pm Post #754 |
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well i think they should at least keep the base ENG track, and have the JAP track optional.... just so the people who rather listen to the ENG VAs (most likely these people are new to the series ) can have that option too.I know what option i would want. ![]() i feel the urge to start a new topic for a new character but im afraid DK might kill me
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:14 pm Post #755 |
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Sorry to burst in with a totally unrelated (to the current discussion at least) post, but I finally listened to ieyasu's voice, and the second line he says is pretty cool IMO. "I will become fire, a fire to light up the night" Probably meaning lighting the fire of peace in the night of the world of tumults... |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:25 pm Post #756 |
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Thanks Makishima for translating it Not only his voice but his talking has grown up too. Ieyasu is now the character I wanted him to be. And Makishima have you looked at the scans from BK? http://koeiwarriors.co.uk/images/magazinescans/sb3/sb3-1b2.jpg Thereīs a text with the floating character...does it say something interesting? Oh and Miyazaki, you can make one if you want. Iīve allready made topics for my favourite characters(those I want) The only ones missing are Mōri Terumoto and Mogami Yoshiaki(plus maybe Asakura Yoshikage) So as long as itīs not one of them, Iīm not gonna kill you...Iīll just take one finger for each topic you make...so as long as you donīt make more than 10 you should be fine |
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| Super sunwukong | Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:17 pm Post #757 |
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Who is the guy with Tadakatsu ? |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:30 pm Post #758 |
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We donīt know that yet, he is a new character, who might be revealed before the TGS. Rumors say he is Otani Yoshitsugu, a Toyotomi retainer and trusted friend of Mitsunari: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%8Ctani_Yoshitsugu Since he had an illness that blinded him and made it impossible to walk for him one day, this floating character with the balls might indicate that heīs only able to move like this and the balls are some kind of magical orbs that allow him to see. But since heīs pictured next to Tadakatsu, it could be that those two are Ieyasuīs retainers and there is one, that would fit the profile of a "not being able to walk" character too: Torii Mototada: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torii_Mototada He was not only a trusted friend of Ieyasu, he also served him loyaly even going as far as sacrificing himself and thus change history since thanks to him, Ieyasu escaped a "sneak attack" of Mitsunari and the battle of Sekigahara took place after that. He also said to his sons, to continue to serve the Tokugawa after his death, no matter what, never desiring anything else than to see the Tokugawa reign prosper. He was wounded in a battle and thus wasnīt able to walk very good after it. Thatīs why it could be him too. |
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| BlackKite | Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:08 pm Post #759 |
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Hmm... after checking through 2ch, I think the chance that character is Otani Yoshitsugu is high. First, he historically used a palanquin to command his army at Sekigahara. Maybe due to that fact Capcom takes it to a more extreme method and give him a kind of flying carpet. Next, the thing on his head resembles a butterfly, which is also a motif for his clan crest. Well, depending on how he will look like, he may get the nickname Otani Zeongtsugu or not. But for now I have a feeling that he'll be more like Virgo Shaka, and I'm gonna laugh if his seiyuu turns out to be Mitsuya Yuji.
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| HokutoNoBen | Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:11 pm Post #760 |
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Wow...good looking out, BK. The butterfly thing eluded me entirely. But yeah..."Zeongtsugu" would be a good thing to see. Especially if this implied that he too, might get "Funnels" of his own to fight with, utilizing those orbs. Tadakatsu...your ultimate opposition is right next to you? |
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| Manta Punk | Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:33 pm Post #761 |
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Woah,good eye BK. This just more or less confirmed it's Yoshitsugu.Well,I in the least,would be suprised if it weren't. And you know what? The more I read about this guy the more I like him.I've told my friend,who's not really into Japanese history,about him and even he agree's Yoshitsugu was epic.He has an amazing history and It's definitely a great add from Capcom.It'd be nice to see someone hangin' out with Mitsunari apart from Team Justice *coughSWcough*.I'm really looking foward to seeing what Tsuchibayashi san will do with him and if Kanetsugu doesn't make it into the roster,this guy will keep me satisfied. I know he's not confirmed to be the shadowed character but here's hoping,eh? Edited by Manta Punk, Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:35 pm.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:20 am Post #762 |
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Even though Yoshitsugu was amazing...Miyazaki...all thanks to you....why did you have to make a thread about Torii Mototada [Fanboy mode ON] Now I can only think about of him having him in BASARA. If Yoshitsugu was added just because he was loyal to Mitsunari than this guy truly deserves it more than anything else to be on Ieyasuīs side. There are many famous Tokugawa generals, just because theyīve killed a lot of people. But what Mototada has done is something that has to be honored. Iīm actually shocked that heīs not as famous as all the other Tokuawa generals in other Sengoku period related things. Iīve now read a lot about him, that he actually fought in a lot of important battles, that his family allways served their lords loyally and knew since Ieyasu was a child(Ieyasu was seven at that time) And if CAPCOM or any other men or even woman still thinks he doesnīt deserve a spot in the BASARA roster after reading this...: http://www.isn.ethz.ch/isn/Digital-Library/Primary-Resources/Detail/?ots591=69F57A17-24D2-527C-4F3B-B63B07201CA1&lng=en&ord520=grp1&id=24250 (click on it, itīll open the PDF file) This was his last statement. He mainly talks to his son, but itīs a letter for all of us. Such a devoted man, full of honor, pride and loyalty. You know even though, those were different times and we donīt have the need for following a master or go to war anymore(at least for as long as this fantasy-peace goes on)...this is something everyone should keep in his heart. I truly admire that mans will and Iīm proud to have read his last words. This was and is a true warrior. This is a true friend. This is a man that never gave up in what he believed and what he dreamed of. To see japan at peace. To see his friend and master finally be able to bring the long awaited era of live, instead of everlasting war. He even told his sons to carry out his will and never even think about betraying each other or their dreams. Sorry if itīs off-topic, at least a bit, but CAPCOM, if you donīt add this man and give him the respect he deserves, Iīll be gravely dissapointed. Again if you add Yoshitsugu because of his friendship to Mitsunari, there is no way, you can overlook Mototadaīs relationship to Ieyasu. Really. no. way. [Fanboy mode OFF] Well after that speech, Iīve realized that there are slim chances for him to be in, sadly. Even though they could use his epic speech in a dramatic from anime makers designed cutscene Itīs still gonna Rock...but it wonīt Roll. |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:26 am Post #763 |
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The text under Yoshitsugu (lol, it's more or less decided) says "a floating man with many spheres floating around him...might he be a devout Buddhist?" Mototada looks interesting, but there's plenty characters like that, right...? But I understand the appeal... Personally, I want more people to fill up the Kyushu, Chugoku and Tohoku...those areas are far too empty... |
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| Claus | Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:33 am Post #764 |
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Though there were many people like that.... i wouldn't say there were many in all of history who are really close to this guy. In movies you always here of people giving their lives to help someone escape, but its just a movie... this guy actually did it. He held off Mitsunari's forces for 5 days i think, it might have been more, in a burning castle with only 10 soldiers, he did this JUST to let Ieyasu escape, let his freinds, the tokugawa retainers and his family escape.... Ieyasu would have died there were it not for him. He is The reason Sekigahara was able to happen, and since its such a focus in SB3, why not add him? |
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| Yedo | Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:31 am Post #765 |
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I gotta say...the new Tokugawa design is pretty badass. In comparison to the miniature, younger, and helpless Tokugawa, the new Tokugawa is DEFINITELY an improvement. Seems like Hideyoshi has some competition now. Also looks like he takes a little bit from Tekken's Jin Kazama, with the hoodie and all. As for Mitsunari...I feel sort of conflicted towards him. Personally I feel his design is sort of fruity...especially his ridiculous hair. Then again, he seems like he has an awesome moveset. Even though Kenshin is the staple quick-draw swordsman of the game, Mitsunari might end up outdoing him. I'll wait until some gameplay of him is released before making my judgement. |
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| Manta Punk | Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:14 pm Post #766 |
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I still don't get why people are suprised by Mitsunari's hair.This is Sengoku BASARA.Craziness is practically in the title. Anyway,I have a weird feeling Yoshitsugu will somewhat resemble Jack from the Power Stone series: Jack. I can't really imagine anything else except,maybe,his Sahai no Yukue appearance. I'm also guessing the thing he's riding on is a magic carpet but then again,this is BASARA.He could be on a giant pillow for all we know.And i'm taking it as the orb's are his weapon. Anyway i've added him to my sig,I just really like the dude's history.So,as long as he or Kanetsugu are in,i'll be a happy-chappy. Do you think the shadowed character has a chance at appearing at the TGS? |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:27 pm Post #767 |
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There are...plenty...like...him? Makishima...have you actually read his last statement? Did you read what his last words to his family and friends were? This man, is loyalty itself. Is friendship himself. He made the ultimate sacrfice, without the least concern for his own being. Ahhh, well, never mind....as for the TGS, heīll surely be revealed by that time. Theyīve allready shown us the retainers of Sanada and Date (Kojuuro and Sasuke at the pics)...okay now is all clear. It is Yoshitsugu. We have Ieyasu (shadow figure Tadakatsu), Yukimura (in pictures Sasuke), Masamune (in pictures Kojuuro) and Mitsunari (shadow figure retainer of Mitsunari...probably Yoshitsugu) Those four friends and protectors will be the next character update. Well as Iīve said Hideyoshi would have 4 characters now in his army...so Tokugawa, as the shining hope of the land, needs at least two new characters to be even. So Hanzo or some other well known retainer to please the "only want famous characters in cause I donīt know the other characters and donīt care"...and...Mototada
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:52 pm Post #768 |
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Yeah, his words were probably awesome...but (not that I want to rain on your parade or anything) the Edo era writers LOVED putting such words in the mouths of Sengoku generals...to the point that at times it's difficult to tell lies from the truth. So forgive me if I take those words with a grain of salt... Bessho Nagaharu sacrificed his life in exchange of his (Miki) castle's inhabitants' lives. He could have not done it: Mouri Terumoto and Hideyoshi both didn't wish for such a thing, since he was a brave and valuable general. But he did: He went out on a boat (with his son and closest retainers), drank a cup of sake and sliced open his belly. That's a massive feat too, isn't it? Anyway, don't mean to put Mototada down or anything. Just wanted to say that such feats (real or false) are numerous in the Sengoku era... They were saved because of this...the castle fell, but Hideyoshi moved on |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:41 pm Post #769 |
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Yeah, his words were probably awesome Sorry for being again a bit off topic, but when I read that, I stopped reading further. If you read his words, youīll see, you can feel, that he wrote this with determination and truth behind his words. There are many who sacrificed themselves and often in vain, since it wasnīt really necessary(okay I read your post) But this case isnīt simply of saving his master, for honor or fame. Of course, without him and his retainers, Ieyasu wouldnīt have survived this and the battle of Sekigahara would never have taken place. But it was also a father who wanted to protect his family, a friend who wanted to see the dream of Ieyasu come true and a warrior who wanted to show, that even if he would fight a alone, would drive back 40,000 man...he wanted to show, that if you never give up, if you stay true to your dreams and your way, you can accomplish anything you wanted. He couldīve stopped the army of Mitsunari and made a run for it. But that wouldnīt have been enough time for Ieyasu and everyone else to escape. He chose that this wasnīt even to be considered. If his sacrfice would even only bring one more second then the strategy I said abouve, it wouldīve been worth it. As long as you donīt read his statement...you wonīt understand it. The words he chose...the way he wrote it...you can see that there is not one word "false". Makishima, you seem to know a lot of the Sengoku period and you seem to be really interested in it, so why didnīt you read it? http://www.isn.ethz.ch/isn/Digital-Library/Primary-Resources/Detail/?ots591=69F57A17-24D2-527C-4F3B-B63B07201CA1&lng=en&ord520=grp1&id=24250 If, after you read it, feel the way you felt before, Iīll accept it . But as long as you havenīt read it and give me an honest answer, Iīll never accpet what you say about him. They were saved because of this...the castle fell, but Hideyoshi moved on Also, when Ieyasu heard of the death of his friend he didnīt simply move on. He cried. Even though, when they departed they knew they wouldnīt see each other again. Even though he allready left with the thought that heīd lose not only a capable officer, but also lose a great, loyal, strong willed friend, heīd never find again. Even Hideaki Kobayakawa when he met Ieyasu personally, apologized to him for causing Torii's death.(since he took part in the Fushimi Castle siege) *canīt turn off fanboy mode anymore...sees the need to go see a doctor...or see Mototada in BASARA *
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| BlackKite | Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:52 pm Post #770 |
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Eh, I wonder about that, Basara-wise. Like Akechi and Maeda becoming independent factions from Oda, Ishida is going to be considered a separate clan from Toyotomi. Hence the first line of Mitsunari's introduction is 'Leader of Ishida army and Western army in Sekigahara'. Hence the transparent '3 characters per faction' rule of SB series shouldn't be broken yet. |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:00 pm Post #771 |
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But if you count Akechi in as a retainer of Oda BEFORE he got his feeling to betray him and make his own army. You could say the same for Mitsunari since that was AFTER Hideyoshi has been defeated by Ieyasu. Maeda were never "really Oda retainers". They allways were the Maeda army, since it were those two or three with Keiji. But Akechi often fought with Noh, Ranmaru or Nobunaga and his army himself. You have never seen Toshiie or Matsu fighting WITH the Oda army.(or even for by that, they only tried to stop Noh once in Nohīs story...) So Nobunaga has Noh, Ranmaru and Akechi. Hideyoshi has Hanbei, Yoshitsugu(Yoshitsugu was a loyal Toyotomi follower before joining Mitsunariīs cause) and Mitsunari. And Ieyasu would have Tadakasu...and nothing...meh. And even if you donīt count Akechi and Mitsunari in, you canīt deny the fact that those characters fight for their master and help him out, even if they have their own army/intentions. Ieyasu doesnīt have someone like that. And doesnīt have a "real" retainer besides Tadakatsu. So he still needs two characters to be even with the other rulers. Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:02 pm.
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| Yedo | Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:10 pm Post #772 |
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To be fair, I never said Mitsunari's hair surprised me, I just said I didn't like it. Granted, he certainly is a unique take on Mitsunari compared to other versions I've seen - 2 spring to mind: Onimusha Dawn of Dreams Mitsunari and SW's Mitsunari. I expected him to be portrayed as a villain since Hideyoshi was represented as such. Personally, I'd like to see Shima Sakon added to the cast. Mitsunari needs his own Tadakatsu after all :lol:. |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:22 am Post #773 |
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To DK: Ok, I read it all now...and well, it was powerful as you said, but I didn't want to discredit or anything. Just that, IMHO, there's lots of such examples between Sengoku warlords (I'll see what I can dig up, but Kuroda Kanbei's last message to Nagamasa is a good example) Anyway hey, if you liked it so much then it's all good, I guess. I would continue to ramble, but that'd be pointless and stupid. A toast to Mototada, a rare man that did not succumb to petty avarice *kanpai* On Topic: I agree with BK that the Akechi, Maeda and Ishida should be considered a separate force...(even though the SB1 script book put Mitsuhide in the Oda army...I guess he's the big exception) At least I hope they plan to keep a balance of no more than 3 characters per group. Toshiie and Matsu fought alongside Ranmaru and Nouhime respectively in SBBH...and if you look at the character quotes there is never a "VS" quote between an Oda and a Maeda, or viceversa. In SB3's story the Toyotomi are apparently gone...so Mitsunari and co. don't even have a chance of being considered part of it...(well, spiritually they do...) |
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| DarkDante | Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:46 am Post #774 |
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Even if just Mitsunari is apart of the Toyotomi, along with Hideyoshi and Hanbei, and then after they pass on, he starts his own faction, that would be kinda cool, I could see Hanbei being a mentor of sorts to Mitsunari as well. But the Tokugawa do desperately need an extra retainer though. |
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| Yedo | Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:19 am Post #775 |
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The way I see it...Isn't Mitsunari practically alone here? I mean, SB3 apparently focuses on the Battle of Sekigahara, and the rivalry between Mitsunari and Ieyasu. Hideyoshi and Hanbei obviously died before the Battle of Sekigahara...That and Hanbei is already dying from tubercolosis according to Basara continuity. Also...Historically, the Takenaka family ends up fighting alongside the Tokugawa during the Battle of Sekigahara. If Mitsunari is going to be considered the leader of his own faction, separate from Hideyoshi...Then he doesn't have any retainers...Unless Capcom plans to do their own portrayal of the Mitsunari-Kanetsugu-Yukimura trio. Personally, I think the Tokugawa are fine. I mean, Ieyasu has Hondam on his side. Tadakatsu Honda practically counts as 3 retainers in 1. Edited by Yedo, Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:21 am.
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