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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,017 Views)
Matsunaga Hisahide
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Hmmm...I don´t think they would really change much.

I´d even bet on that they are using his S-String/BASARA/Two other skills/Taunt/Jump attacks.

Just like Yukimura, Masamune, Keiji, etc.

That´s why I´d like to have a Hisahide or some new character, rather than Musashi.

Hisahide would feel new and a new character...well...would be totally new, but Musashi?

Re-hashed moveset (really, even as a Musashi fan, I would want some improvements in the skill/s-string department) and the high possibility of him being a bonus/FMO character (means they wouldn´t have to put a lot of work in him seeing as they don´t have to give him a deep story mode like other characters) with only two skills is just not that tempting...

As for Nobunaga...I love that guy, the shotgun/sword/cape/spike combination is just awesome. He´d win against anyone in Deadliest Warriors with that set :lol:

But for the sake of keeping the rules and for the fact that so many died because of story and then he comes back...

Many said that Nobunaga has been beaten to death. I mean villain in SB1, still a main villain in SB2, main villain in the anime...

It´s time for a change. Give us someone else. We sacrificed so many beloved series favourites allready, let´s get something new instead.
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:47 pm.
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Mibu Kyoshiro
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^Don't Yoshi and Emonari count as good enough villains?Especially Yoshi the mummy man?They both seem fine to me though.Hope they are...especially Yoshi.

Also : why the avatar change?
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Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:26 am
Wow, these guys want...more NPCs? You guys sure you're alright? Maybe a bit too much to drink? :uh:
Daibutokai Mode is an easy way to bypass the rule and just have the old (Dead) characters in as bonus NPCs to fight in that mode. While I'd much rather have them playable, that obviously isn't going to happen so I think it would be better to have them to fight at least.
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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Well, afterall, I hope for a new trailer next week (we´ll get something like that, so hope is the wrong thing to say I guess ^_^ ) with the last character in it.

I´ll make an avatar out of it, no matter who it is (Ranmaru and Itsuki not included :mellow: )

And yes Mitsunari and Yoshitsugu are neat villains, but they lack the great picture.

Yoshitsugu just wants everyone to suffer and Mitsunari just wants Ieyasu to suffer.

Nobunaga wanted to kill everyone who opposes him and Hideyoshi wanted to take over the world. Compared to that amibitions of the former villains, those, rather self centered goals (making everyone/someone suffer cause you suffer youself), seem to fall flat.

I would want a Hisahide or a Todo Takatora who scheme for some greater goal.

For now Hisahide´s plans don´t allways make sense, but they had some really interesting effects (making Kojuuro lose his mind and Masamune learning the taste of defeat, as well as making Hideyoshi who he is and thus affecting Keiji, as well as realizing Ieyasu´s true potential and telling him to grasp for power if he wants it)

Compared to that "Mitsugu" lacks the epicness.
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:26 pm.
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Mibu Kyoshiro
Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:11 pm
^Don't Yoshi and Emonari count as good enough villains?Especially Yoshi the mummy man?They both seem fine to me though.Hope they are...especially Yoshi.
Yoshi is a good schemer, but neither he, 'Nari or even Ieyasu's budding "White Nobunaga" aspects really do much for me in the way of "Villainy".

Nobunaga was just that "SUPER ****ING EVIL!" guy who was a stone-cold, irredeemable bad-ass villain. You fought him in a burning temple and/or at the top of a tower beneath the gaze of an eclipse, and it just screamed epic.

My boy, Hideyoshi, on the other hand, was definitely the Raoh type. He awed you with his presence, raw power and a sort of "desperation" that almost made you feel for the guy...and then he breaks your face. :hehe:

And then there's Hisahide in HEROES. Y'all already know what it is!

Compared to those tough acts to follow, again, SB3 just seems to really be lacking that one solid personality that screams "I'm dat big bad this time around, mutha******s. Ya'll ready for this?!".

Sure, we have to wait and see. But again, I do miss that single "commanding presence" that the last few games had.
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Mibu Kyoshiro
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Agreed with both of you,Ben and DK.

Though it's not like we have much choice given what we have...for now. :ph43r: Like you said Ben and Ninja'd. :ph43r:

Who knows...maybe Tenchi Mitsukai is the grand schemer behind all...or[far-fetched villain ahead]...Koba-cross....yeah,no! :kurokan:

...I miss Demon Wakamoto and Raoh-yoshi...and I want a Kenshiro in the series.[Takechiyo does not count,.no matter how many hyakuretsuken variatons he has.]
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For those that don't know, the trailer coming up is this one.
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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:mellow:

Now there goes my hope.

Though that may be the update for Wednesday and as a special surprise we´ll have a thursday character reveal.

Seriously, it´s getting boring. I hope we have some groundbreaking update next week...

Not that I´d really care since the game comes out soon, but my hype level really is at it´s lowest for now, especially after the "might be Nobunaga"-news...

The hype-train was really lame...I made a reference back than, that it´s more like a hype-rollercoaster. There have been highs and lows and it is fun, but at the end, all you wanna do is puke. (it wouldn´t be a good rollercoaster if you wouldn´t get a bit motion sick, don´t ya thing? :shifty: )

There´s still time though...hope they reserved something great for the finale -_-

EDIT:

Also, someone thinks that the theory I had in Sun Wukong´s thread, might be true/good?

You know having SB3, than a SB3 expansion with all the NPCs playable and then a PSP Sengoku BASARA port with all the SB characters playable and having the old "story telling style" back (means short, for the most part lol-stories, just for the fun during the go)

I wouldn´t mind that...actually I´d really like that :ph43r:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:54 pm.
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Mibu Kyoshiro
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^I guess I'm the only one who doesn't want want to puke and instead wants more? :huh: [Gaming Information masochist much?] :blink:

Anyway,it's not like we would get some uber-awesome video next week,right?Though going back a few posts I have to add the whole "Wednesday and not Thursday?Mysterious..." comment :ph43r: .But,waht you said DK holds it's ground fairly well and I hope it is so.

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I remember mentioning a while back that I thought there was a point in one of the videos that showed all of Ieyasu's weapons. Well check out 2:33 in the video MoM posted.
Edited by robotzombie, Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:54 am.
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Hm。It's too hard to see them clearly, but that little snippt does look like all 12 are actually different...hopefully we'll be able to get a clearer shot when the video hits the official site.
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Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:47 pm
Also, someone thinks that the theory I had in Sun Wukong´s thread, might be true/good?

You know having SB3, than a SB3 expansion with all the NPCs playable and then a PSP Sengoku BASARA port with all the SB characters playable and having the old "story telling style" back (means short, for the most part lol-stories, just for the fun during the go)

I wouldn´t mind that...actually I´d really like that :ph43r:
i do,especially the PSP part,PSP needs good games like these,the promise of a new GOW and such are good but i'm not a fan of that,MGS:PW is good.very good,but its not a stylish hack&slash,multiraid 2 is promising,but i strangely loves the US versions of the characters more(which is still TBA) and thus i refuse to import.....with that said PSP surely lacks a great hack&slash/beat em up game right now,so yeah,here's crossing my finger for an eventual "new SB" game for PSP and perhaps hokuto musou too.......

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Edited by wodash, Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:19 am.
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Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:50 pm
Hisahide

What speaks for him - He´s really popular and would be a real villain that hasn´t been beaten to death like Nobunaga. He was in that promotional thing back then next to characters like Ieyasu and Mitsunari. He would´ve been allready added in the PSP port but they didn´t want to since they said they wanted to save him for the next big game and give him a worty entrance (and hey, here is the next big game :rolleyes: )

What speaks against him - The Musashi fans :shifty:
That Koba likes to troll people. And he might end up being antoher Kanetsugu. Meaning Kanetsugu is the NPC-joke and Hisahide stays the NPC-badass-villain. They would also have to give him a "full moveset", basically making him a new character and thus putting work and creativity into him.
What would also go against him is the fact that he would have to be nerfed. His skills in SB2H were overpowered (More than any other character barring Jigenryu Dangan). His dashes would have to be toned down as well. It seems like he was made to be unplayable.

He might just be a HEROES/expansion character.
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"What would also go against him is the fact that he would have to be nerfed"

This doesn't even make sense IMO
Have you not played fighting games? Plenty of the good fighting games (like SF4) have playable boss characters that are toned down for player use yet still good. Capcom can easily pull that off for Hisehide like they've done for Seth, M. Bison, etc. "Boss" version and "player" version.

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Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:31 am
What would also go against him is the fact that he would have to be nerfed. His skills in SB2H were overpowered (More than any other character barring Jigenryu Dangan). His dashes would have to be toned down as well. It seems like he was made to be unplayable.

He might just be a HEROES/expansion character.
bwuh?if you mean hisahide then you're overrating him

1.his skills are cool,yes,but overpowered?NO,where did you get that idea from?it doesnt pack much punch AND its has VERY SLOW STARTUP, some characters can just kill him(full powered "turning" shinsoku) or interrupt him before the attacks could actually came out(like using hideyoshi's grabs),its like fuuma's attacks,they're cool but they don't pack a punch

2.his dashes looked unfair and cool because HE CANT RUN, this contrast is what blinds your eye(and judgment)......fuuma teleports while dashing,and nobody drools over that,yoshimoto dashes(crawls) everywhere helluva far and nobody rants about how imbalanced that is,note that everyone else got a slight invul frames too while dashing,no matter how lame looking they are compared to hisahide.......

if you're talking about musashi though....well in SB2~SB2H he IS overpowered,stone throw+spit+very quick BASARA fill>all kinds of hondam,but he's severely nerfed in SBBH....
Edited by wodash, Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:59 am.
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Well, Ieyasu's weapons do all look different.

I think I've got the mysterious Wednesday thing worked out. The reason why they are updating the site with that trailer on Wednesday is probably because it's like, you just can't have a trailer not on the site. The official site should have all the trailers, and that is just a good time to get it on there.

Thursday. The super amazing update involving some awesome person that is a new PC.
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In the trailer that MoM was talking about, who is the guy standing behind oichi at about 1:55?
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TheTyrant1992
Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:42 am
In the trailer that MoM was talking about, who is the guy standing behind oichi at about 1:55?
Looks like it could be Mitushide. Or maybe her darkness hands. But, I don't think that she would blindfold herself, lol.

SOMETHING I NOTICED: In Hondam's video, what is at the top right?
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Can't be Mitsuhide, this guy has short black hair, also that's the ships durability I believe, something similar was in Keiji's video with the Bomb guys.
Edited by TheTyrant1992, Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:02 am.
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It looks like Mitsunari to me, you can see his hair and the purple in his outfit.

And those weapons definitely aren't all different, each weapon looks like it has two diferent colourations, so three versions of one weapons, you can tell that lots of his weapons are the same, just pause and actually look at it for a second you'll see.

I suggest you guys don't look into the site updating on wednesday too much, I don't see why that would mean were getting a PC on thursday, theres just no connection there. =/

Yes, I don't like the wind element. So what? It's just probably my least favourite, I can't really say why, I just think it's... I dunno, can't really explain it, but I just don't like how it draws all the enemies to you. Meh, I like the wind element users though. =D
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Trust me, it's not Mitsunari either, you can see this guys forehead easily.
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Trust me, it's not Mitsunari either, you can see this guys forehead easily.
Okay, I paused it right a 1:55 this time, and I can clearly see him, you're right, definitely not Mitsunari. Maybe a very ugly looking generic?
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TheTyrant1992
Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:16 am
Trust me, it's not Mitsunari either, you can see this guys forehead easily.
Yeah, I noticed this too; this guy's hair is dark, and his face is flatter (for lack of a better word) than Mitsunari's. I have the scene paused on YouTube, and it's a near-perfect shot of the guy; I don't recognize him.


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Trust me, it's not Mitsunari either, you can see this guys forehead easily.
Yeah, I noticed this too; this guy's hair is dark, and his face is flatter (for lack of a better word) than Mitsunari's. I have the scene paused on YouTube, and it's a near-perfect shot of the guy; I don't recognize him.


wow at first i thought all of you were crazy because to me it looked like darkness hands but now i finally got a good pause he looks like an ugly old bald guy, can this be our last character or just a slightly important generic, and to me he sorta looks like arkham from DMC3. i want to observe more of this vid, it may show other characters or the same one.


ohh and i think i spotted a joke weapon, look on the weapon section on the official site and look at ieyasu's 4th weapon it looks like a dragon head because i see a dragon eye and wisker, so i guess that confirms joke weapons.



:kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan: well everyone else used it and havent gotten the chance lmao kurokan rocks :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan:



i take back the ugly old bald guy part i see his hair now, and now he strikes me as a vampire guy idk why.
Edited by DarkMantisTalon, Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:01 am.
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He's just gonna be some random generic. And he definitely isn't the last PC, that's just looking way too hard.
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