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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,010 Views)
Keneticam
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So the final playable character is Nobunaga? BLAH! wat a shame, it last character isnt actually new. Huh...I hope he has some involvement with Oichi. :rolleyes:
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:01 am
So the final playable character is Nobunaga? BLAH! wat a shame, it last character isnt actually new. Huh...I hope he has some involvement with Oichi. :rolleyes:
It isn't definite yet, but it is extremely likely
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Nobunaga being playable is a tad bit insulting to the other characters that were cut or NPCified. However, having said this, his PC status in SB3 wouldn't stop me from buying the game but it would certainly leave a bad (well, worse) taste in my mouth. Not sure what they're thinking...
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So Nyuh Shi Dae
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perhaps he is free mode only. Or an extra character. They never said he would be involved in the story.

I'm with most of you. I DO NOT want Nobunaga in this game. Though I like Wakamoto's deep voice and admire Nobunaga's moveset, I don't really care for him at all. I tend to dislike villains who only go "RAWR DESTROY!". Its annoyingly bland. I'd much rather have a new PC. Most preferably a female.

NYEH AWAY WIT NOBUNAGA!!!!XDDDD

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I'm quite excited for Nobunaga!!! I can't wait to play as him
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AdventGreatness
Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:04 am
I'm quite excited for Nobunaga!!! I can't wait to play as him
Stop acting like he's confirmed guys. Even though his chances of being in or up, that doesn't mean he's the last one yet.
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Don't get your hopes up about Nobunaga. He will probably just show up as a NPC like Shingen and Hideyoshi. Musashi has a much better chance of being playable.
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Yeah guys. It can't be him....it just can't. As long as they don't give us one hell (lolpun) of a reason....

....Hisahide would work so much better in the current story.....
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:26 am
Don't get your hopes up about Nobunaga. He will probably just show up as a NPC like Shingen and Hideyoshi. Musashi has a much better chance of being playable.
Hideyoshi's an NPC? How? In the opening movie it shows Hideyoshi killing him
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After reading in that article that Kobayashi and his team really don't care about being historical, I've able to adjust my expectations of Basara as a whole and am able to accept a lot more about the series.

The idea of Nobunaga coming back from the dead doesn't particularly annoy me, beyond the fact it's a crusty old cliche. It's probably going to be something like SHIN DAIROKU-TEN-MAOH NOBUNAGA with black skeleton wings or something.

Whatever, I never got any of the characters I wanted for this game, so I'll just play it as is.
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AdventGreatness
Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:41 am
Jsun
Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:26 am
Don't get your hopes up about Nobunaga. He will probably just show up as a NPC like Shingen and Hideyoshi. Musashi has a much better chance of being playable.
Hideyoshi's an NPC? How? In the opening movie it shows Hideyoshi killing him
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You should really think before you post.

Anyways, Hideyoshi and Shingen are already featured on the Japanese Sengoku BASARA 3 site as NPCs who show up in the cutscenes.

@Seraphil, they did the ghost demon Nobunaga thing already with Samurai Warriors: Katana. Don't think they would go that far with Nobunaga in BASARA.
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SRS
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Eh, that was all just a dream sequence with a ghostly spirit. To come back as a super-powered demon seems more up Capcom's alley.
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Mibu Kyoshiro
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@ wodash : True.To bad when Nobu got old he became almost a carbon copy of SB Nobnaga in appearence[mustache,grumpy face etc -_- ...]But it's ok,when he was young he was like Mitsu :whistle: . :P

@ Balder : Welcome back my friend :wave: .If you know that much you missed nothing,we all assure you.
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If Hideyoshi is dead and not in, why the hell would they put in Nobunaga? I know, I know, they might just do it for the lulz of it, but I'd much rather see a more relevant character to the current Sekigahara plot :/
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Necrosis-sensei, don´t take such an obvious chance.
Don´t feed the want-to-be-trolls. :rolleyes:
(waits for his evil plan to unfold :shifty: )

Well, as much as I see now that I´m not the only one who doesn´t want a CAPCOM-tentacle undead Nobunaga as the last character...

But I wonder what some of the japanese fans said about this?

I mean we can´t possibly the only ones who noticed Nobunaga in that pic. Though I guess they are on our side this time seeing as Nobunaga is not a fangirls´ dream, not exactly the deepest and most interesting character and it would occupy the last character spot.

And good to have you back Balder ^_^
The Wesker thing is just an assumption, but afterall, "no corpse, no end".

Who is it going to be? He swam in the lava like it was a custom made swimmingpool. And all the rocket laucher shots he took from me, while still doing waving the dance, it would be no surprise for him to survive that double rocket punch. :ph43r:

And for those who still fear there isn´t much replay value...even if the game only featured 10 playable characters and story modes like in SB2, you´d still get around 1 hour per story, since a stage takes around 10 minutes to finish, plus the time you spend with equipping stuff, cutscenes and the CG cutscenes at the beginning and the end.

That would allready make for 10 hours. Add in the characters you want to max out, items to unlock, etc. and you´ll easily get 20-30 hours out of it.

So replay value can be achieved in any way with those types of games, IF you like those types of games. That´s no real challenge. It´s harder to make a good Ego-Shooter or an pure Action game with a lengthy story without it getting boring. That´s really hard :ph43r:

But for the record, just think about it:
There are 16 characters. Let´s count 2 hours for each characters' story mode, that makes for 32 hours of playtime allready.
Take in the optional routes and you´ll probably get over 50 hours.

Count in that every character has "12" weapons, there are over 200 items to pair with those weapons, there are armors to unlock for your character, you´ll want to max out some characters, might play some Co-Op in Free Mode with a buddy, maybe even try to get all the 100 bodyguards (I definietly don´t want to do that :mellow: ...never...)

You´ll easily get 80-100 hours out of it, depending on how many characters you want to max out and how often you can endure facing Matsu, Kenshin, Muneshige, etc. before you want to wrench off Kobayashi´s neck for not making them playable and want to finally hold the HEROES expansion in your hands :whistle:

Also...do you think we might see TWO expansions? :huh:
Like Xtreme Legends and Empires?

Afterall, even if they add all of the 12 NPCs in HEROES...

There´s still:
Hisahide/Musashi/Nobunaga
Hisahide/Musashi/Nobunaga
Kennyo
Itsuki
Zabii
Shingen
Yoshimoto
Nagamasa
Noh
Ranmaru
Hideyoshi
Hanbei

Sooo...12 characters for the HEROES expansion...and another 12 characters are left...hmmm...might be an excuse to give it another shot? :sly:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:50 pm.
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Divine Justice
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People who claim Nobunaga is missing all of his relationships make me laugh. He has both Ichi and Tenkai, that's really all he needs for an army of destruction (hell, that's more than most PCs have directly under their wing)

And I still stick by the idea that he might have just plain faked his death to cause Sekigahara. If Mitsuhide was in on it then there really aren't any plotholes or "characters being trampled on".

Edit: not to mention Toshiie, Matsu, and possibly anyone else I'm forgetting.

Also, I don't believe anyone ever made the claim that Nobunaga would play a part in the main storyline (maybe only for Ichi...). Instead he'd only matter in his own story and in one of the many branched paths that we now have. Him playing a part in a branch is not unreasonable
Edited by Divine Justice, Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:16 pm.
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:06 pm
People who claim Nobunaga is missing all of his relationships make me laugh. He has both Ichi and Tenkai, that's really all he needs for an army of destruction (hell, that's more than most PCs have directly under their wing)

And I still stick by the idea that he might have just plain faked his death to cause Sekigahara. If Mitsuhide was in on it then there really aren't any plotholes or "characters being trampled on".

Edit: not to mention Toshiie, Matsu, and possibly anyone else I'm forgetting.

Also, I don't believe anyone ever made the claim that Nobunaga would play a part in the main storyline (maybe only for Ichi...). Instead he'd only matter in his own story and in one of the many branched paths that we now have. Him playing a part in a branch is not unreasonable
Oichi won't remember him. And how do we know that Mitsukai would even serve him again?

IMPORTANT. PLEASE ANSWER. I have one final question before I pre-order the game. I am planning to pre-order the Asian version of the game, with express shipping (Should be August second , right?), DOES THE ASIAN VERSION STILL HAVE THE SAME VOICE ACTORS AS THE JAPANESE VERSION? :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
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@ DK : I'll be th judge of your masterplan.YOINK :ph43r: .

*Grabs master plan. :ph43r: *

Let's see...........

...............................................................

OH MY GOD! :blink: THAT'S TOTALLY EVIL!!!!! :OMG: And I'm included.*Puts glasses on.*Why is my name written in small letters? :realangry:

Anyway...for the expansion : A C wut ju did thear! :hehe:

And I have to agree. -_- As much as we want an expansion,a two part is inevitable due to the game being for Wii as well.Somehow...it has to work like that.

Unless they are willing to go down the FFXIII route and have a two disc set expansion in one go for the Wii and simply an expansion disc for the PS3 that is.

However...an excuse for another shot,huh? :sly:
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:20 pm
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:06 pm
People who claim Nobunaga is missing all of his relationships make me laugh. He has both Ichi and Tenkai, that's really all he needs for an army of destruction (hell, that's more than most PCs have directly under their wing)

And I still stick by the idea that he might have just plain faked his death to cause Sekigahara. If Mitsuhide was in on it then there really aren't any plotholes or "characters being trampled on".

Edit: not to mention Toshiie, Matsu, and possibly anyone else I'm forgetting.

Also, I don't believe anyone ever made the claim that Nobunaga would play a part in the main storyline (maybe only for Ichi...). Instead he'd only matter in his own story and in one of the many branched paths that we now have. Him playing a part in a branch is not unreasonable
Oichi won't remember him. And how do we know that Mitsukai would even serve him again?

IMPORTANT. PLEASE ANSWER. I have one final question before I pre-order the game. I am planning to pre-order the Asian version of the game, with express shipping (Should be August second , right?), DOES THE ASIAN VERSION STILL HAVE THE SAME VOICE ACTORS AS THE JAPANESE VERSION? :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
Again, baseless assumptions. We don't have the game yet, you don't know whether she'll remember him or even be controlled by him.

And yes, Asian version has same audio track
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Probably well behind things here... but EU release date confirmed! Looks good!

http://electronictheatre.co.uk/index.php/industry-news/5299-sengoku-basara-samurai-heroes-release-date-announced
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wodash,
Thanks for the helping hand in getting me up to date.
And yes, I meant "no". Ugly typo with a letter from the other side of the keyboard. It's like people asked me to pinpoint Canada and I landed my finger on Australia. :kurokan: (to paraphrase Koen, I think we're getting good mileage out of this new smilie too!).
And yes, those questions would really put his various clairvoyant brains to the test.

Mibu Kyoshiro and DK,
Thanks for the re-welcoming! :wave: :wave:


Back to the return of Nobumoto (or Wakanaga?), HokutoNoBen summed it up perfectly - THIS. IS. BASARA.
So there's really no plausible reason for him not to return, and HNB's idea of a Nightmare Geese type would fill our desire for a epic final boss showdown.
And I agree with Divine Justice in the sense Nobunaga wouldn't need more characters to flesh him out. If anything, he could easily have Ranmaru and Nouhime both appear as "Assist" type skills.
Imagine getting sprayed with bullets, arrows AND shotgun shells all at the same type. :kurokan: indeed.
As I've said, he's a personal favorite of mine so I wouldn't oppose his return, but I think Koba was very determined in confirming his exclusion. Besides, I imagine this hint is as "valid" as that calendar with Matsunaga's CG art.


On the off-topic of RE6, after reading DK's post mentioned Slim Albert's return, I thought that was actual concrete info. I think RE6 is supposed to be something entirely new though, and 5 closed the "Wesker arc".
Personally, I thought it was a bit of a weak forced finale. First he's all suave mastermind in 4 and by 5 he's screaming "THE HUUUUMMMAAANNNNN RACE REQUIRES JUDDDDGGGGGEEEEMMMMMEEEEENNNNNTTT!!! RRRRAAAWWWWWWRRRR!!!!" Felt kinda tacked on to me. And don't get me started on the whole premise that Spencer manipulated his midiclorians...
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Welcome back Balder :wave:

Also w00t European release date (and only a few days after the US) this made my day thanks for the news guys! I'll be pre-ordering it today! :dance:
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DJ, DJ, DJ...why go to such lengths and defend Nobunaga with all those facts and opinions...

Just say Tsuruhime is in. :uh:

If Nobunaga is a ridiculous decision, then what is she?

So as HnB said: THIS. IS. BASARA.

Though that fact doesn´t count anymore since a lot of the BASARA characters died for the sake of story and a lot of new characters were left out thanks to a certain "one surname"-rule as well as a lot of NPCs thanks to a certain "one playable character per faction"-rule.

Not to beat up the old Tsuruhime horse again, but compared to her, Nobunaga allready has a free ticket to ride in a carriage carried by an undead Ranmaru and Noh, which was build out of Nagamasa´s bones and his talking head which screams "JUSTICE" all the time, while some flying demon monkeys carry Yoshitmoto´s disco ball, playing some evil tune on a flute. :mellow:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:24 pm.
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:24 pm
Besides, I imagine this hint is as "valid" as that calendar with Matsunaga's CG art.
The funny thing is that a new CG render of Nobunaga was also on that callender, along with one for Hideyoshi, but for some reason Hideyoshi's wasn't uploaded onto the main site. *shrug* Just another thing that points at Nobunaga.

Lately lots of people have been bringing up that "One Character per clan rule" acting like Koba stated it himself, but IIRC it was Seraphil who assumed it was the case and it was never officially stated, and since Ichi doesn't technically have a surname in the game, it's bendable. Also, if Nobu is just a bonus character, the rules wouldn't necessarily apply to him, ne?

Anyway, Thank you DJ, for bringing logic into a post, sadly, I doubt anyone is going to actually take your post seriously, and further complain about Nobunaga. Who BTW, isn't even confirmed as the new last character.
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And here´s the logic police again.

You´re all busted, buddies :kurokan:

Seriously, what´s wrong with NOT wanting in Nobunaga?

Great that some of us would welcome the idea, no problem here.

But we have stated valid reasons why Nobunaga should stay dead, as they first said he is. :mellow:

Even if that one rule isn´t true, what about cutting characters for a more serious backround? One character per surname? Oda Oichi, Oda Nobunaga don´t add up. :uh:

It´s not like we could change a thing, but that doesn´t mean we have to accept and look forward to it.

I like Nobunaga too, as Balder, but as my fellow "doesn´t understand what the hell happened to Wesker"-BASARA fan (seriously Balder, it didn´t really make sense too for me :crazy: ) Nobunaga should stay out of this one for the greater good.
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:14 pm.
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