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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:08 pm Post #8401 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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I wonder what Kobayashiīs excuse is for not having in Hisahide and Musashi. Kobayashi twitters this day on his site: Hisahide broke his tea-pot. Gotta buy a new one, lol *Iīm so funny* Musashi has to wash himself. ROFL *I should be a comedian* Who wants to see a picture of my dump today? But I wonder why they put this info in there? I knew it, the official SB3 site was just a joke to tease us all this time Donīt forget people thereīs an expansion. It might take 5 years, but weīll play as the characters we wanted to play. Letīs let the people who got what they wanted have their share of joy. Donīt be egoistic.
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:17 pm.
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| Beards | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:11 pm Post #8402 |
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Emperor's Retainer
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This is f*cking gay, Hideyoshi dead and Nobunaga gets to live? This is just horrible, screw you capcom, I'm leaving Nobunaga untouched. |
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| Ultimate Legend | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:12 pm Post #8403 |
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Keeping it Cool.
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See you edited your sig DK. The pic was posted on Nico. Flooded with comments in no time. |
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| AdawgDaFAB | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:15 pm Post #8404 |
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Han's Unifier
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http://www.capcomkorea.com/basara/basara_control01.html lol no love for the Wii there eh Capcom? lol |
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| tengumaru | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:16 pm Post #8405 |
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Nobunaga is in. Nobunaga is in. I told you, didn't I? Can't keep the Demon King dead. Just venting my happiness. Will promptly return to the limbo. |
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| Ultimate Legend | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:16 pm Post #8406 |
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Keeping it Cool.
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See you edited your sig DK. The pic was posted on Nico. Flooded with comments in no time.
It's far easier for Nobunaga to be brought back than Hideyoshi. Remember, Hideyoshi IS still a man, and we saw Ieyasu defeat him which is the cause of this whole storyline. Meanwhile Nobunaga is more of an actual demon and he could have easily faked his death. Not has horrible as you think. @ Tengumaru: Aww, leaving so soon?
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| Beards | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:19 pm Post #8407 |
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Emperor's Retainer
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It's bullcrap to once again see "All bow down before me, otherwise die" character. It's so boring, so dull, so unsuitable and unreasonable... I'd much rather liked to see Musashi over this junkyard. Atleast he's fun to play with. |
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| Ultimate Legend | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:23 pm Post #8408 |
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I'm actually surprised this board lasted his long without an outburst of angry posts. I remember when it was first announced that Kenshin and Kasuga would be NPCs. I think that was the worst.
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| tengumaru | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:28 pm Post #8409 |
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Hey, I can stay :3 Also, in all seriousness, I'd rather have Nobunaga over SB2's Musashi any day of the week. He only passes as a kind of fun character, but that's it. Compared to what Capcom did with the other characters, he's kinda lame. Still, I'm pissed I won't be able to play as Kojuro. This, and could someone please explain why's everyone so obsessed with Hisahide? This is a serious question. I don't get it. |
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| Hondam | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:31 pm Post #8410 |
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Harbaugh So Hard
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I honestly think Nobunaga was added in for the sake of the western release. Can't really think of another reason. He's never been overwhelmingly popular with the japanese audience, was stated to have been dead time and time again (and Hideyoshi isn't the starting reason for the plot, it's Nobu. Him dying led to Hideyoshi rising to power), and he was the face of DK. If so, then Koba & Team... "Man, you CORNY!" (c) Pitbull, Chappelle's Show. **** trying to appeal to the western market. Elitist? Absolutely. But if the western version is gonna be riddled with terrible translations, no dual audio (the jp voices make some of these characters), and may have even forced Nobunaga to be the last PC then screw it. I love Nobunaga as much as everyone else does, but his inclusion completely negates the foundation of this game, and that is a completely justifiable reason not to be happy with him getting this last spot. |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:35 pm Post #8411 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Uhm...Hisahide is a very intelligent person, that reads people like an open book, finds their weakness and twists them as he wants. He has a very cool voice and a great laugh, teamed up with Kotaro and when he snips his fingers, he letīs things go BOOM (explode for those who donīt understand BOOM) He doesnīt bother moving much in a fight, even if his opponents are Masamune and Kojuuro at the same time, he simply walks, while fighting with one hand on his back and evades in a "flash movement" without anyone every noticing it. When he dies he blows himself up and leaves nothing but a pile of ash. He rebelled against Nobuanga and survived it. He made Hideyoshi the man he is today, thus killed Nene and partly ruined Keijiīs life. He dealt a grave defeat to the One-Eyed-Dragon and made the calm Kojuuro lose his mind, making him run around, beating the crap out of soldiers while cursing. He burned down a freakin' Buddha statue which is like going into a church and taking a dump on Jesus. And he did most of the stuff in real life (Burning Buddhaīs, rebelling against Nobunaga, being a villain) Compare that to a guy who just walks around slicing up people, Iīd take a James Bond villain over a simple maniac anytime EDIT: And yes, Hondam, I agree with you. Do you know what happened when I surfed around the internet to find some comments on Sengoku BASARA Two? Allmost everyone of the male fans who watched the first episode said:"Hideyoshi is not as cool as Nobunaga." "Whereīs the dude with the shotgun." "Man, Hideyoshi is so lame, where is Nobunaga?" So you might be up to something. Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:40 pm.
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| Jonathan Joestar | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:41 pm Post #8412 |
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You say this for the "Historical Plot"???? Since the start the historical thing was a lie...with many characters so i don't see the point in it... or is becouse many people see they favorite characters turned into NPC'S and New Characters aswell...I rage at that too, but Nobunaga is gonna be forever the BASARA Villain...we like it or not
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| Ouelis | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:42 pm Post #8413 |
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Well, I can't say that I'm surprised about this, but it's still disappointing. It just feels like such a lazy decision. This might sound a bit strange, but in my heart of hearts I think I would have preferred that there wasn't a final slot and only have 15 PC's to having Nobu back. Up until now I've been able to take most of what we've gotten with a reasonable amount of calm. But this really irks me. So many cuts made, so many changes all explained with the reason of "moving on" and now this? It's just so unnecessary. I see it like this; Spoilers for Final Fantasy IX, read at own risk; Spoiler: click to toggle In the end I really don't have a lot of energy I'm willing to spend on being upset about this. I just want to play already. And I'll most likely give Nobu a spin at least as well. And if he's really fun to play as, I'll be fine. After all, ultimately what I care about is gameplay. Not to say it's the only thing a care about but it's the largest part of it. So, 10 more days. I can't wait. |
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| Beards | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:48 pm Post #8414 |
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If the addition of Nobunaga is indeed to influence the western sales, and DK having those lines as somewhat proof, then it might just be a good idea, company wise that is. But why would the real fans, who'd like to see something better and more appropriate, suffer from this madness? Oh well, I've seen it more often in this thread, I guess it's time I took those words aswell... THIS. IS. BASARA!
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| Ouelis | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:56 pm Post #8415 |
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With the inclusion of Nobunaga as the final PC I wonder if he's going to be making an appearance in the second season of the anime.
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| Flashbang Incentive | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:56 pm Post #8416 |
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The amount of rage that I feel right now is crazy. This is absolutely stupid. HANBEI IS GONE. HISAHIDE IS GONE. MIYAMOTO IS GONE. TSURU IS IN. NOBUNAGA IS IN. WHAT THE FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Hey, wait a minute? Now, the game has no plot? Wow, remember when we would do those sarcastic posts, and I said "Well, this is probably the last time we can do this." Well, I was wrong, big time. Capcom, you are dumb I swear, I am gonna take Masamune, and I am gonna destroy Nobunaga! Edited by Flashbang Incentive, Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:58 pm.
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| Divine Justice | Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:56 pm Post #8417 |
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No offense, but I find it hard to believe this is coming from you. You've said this entire time that this series does not cater to the western audience. So yeah, why start now? I rather doubt this was for the western audience, but whatever.But yeah, I still say it's too early to complain about this. Yes, Nobunaga was the reason for Sekigahara. Precisely why it isn't so unreasonable for him to be in the game. It'd be different if they chose someone completely irrelevant like Ran or Nouhime (always loved Nouhime by the way). But if Nobunaga actually planned Sekigahara (which deep down I'm still hoping for, otherwise I may join the upset crowd) then really, all is well in the world of Basara. Anyway, I've always loved playing as him so worst case scenario I'll still enjoy hang him in the game as just another person to screw around with. Edit: so how are the Japanese fans taking this, anyway? Sorry, can't view Nico where I am. Edited by Divine Justice, Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:11 pm.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:10 pm Post #8418 |
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Hondam has stated valid reasons. Look at the roster itīs filled with Japanese-fangirl dreams and manly/badass stereotypes. Seeing as Nobunaga, Yoshihiro, Tadakatsu are pretty low on the "DO WANT" list of japanese people, as well as the non-fangirl dream Kanbei and the non-male-womanizer Magoichi, it shows pretty well that they had both in mind this time. Though I think they have a bit of a wrong impression of us. ![]() If theyīd given us a decent translation, more fitting VAs, dual audio and some online mode, it wouldīve sold more. But seeing as itīs only 40 bucks, they allready knew they canīt sell it at that high price. And Hondam forgot a reason: He was the main villain in Anime season 1. So people who saw the anime have mainly Yukimura, Masamune and Nobunaga in mind. Same as Devilkings. Main guys Yukimura, Masamune and Nobunaga. So Nobunaga is really just there because he is the standart evil. Just like Sephiroth. Oh itīs Sephiroth, gotta be VII related. Or Bowser. Oh itīs Bowser, gotta be a Mario game. And such with BASARA. Oh itīs Nobunaga, isnīt that the bad guy from Devilkings/the anime/Sengoku BASARA games? With it you combine allmost every media thatīs out there and still get recognition from allmost everyone who played, watched, heard about it. What if itīs Hisahide? Only some know him over here. Musashi? Never heard of him. Nobunaga? THE GUY WITH THE SHOTGUN OMG YAY! Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:15 pm.
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| Hondam | Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:13 pm Post #8419 |
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With the first three games (1, 2, 2H), yes they didn't. But with SB3 they're trying to bring the series into the west again. If I recall there was even an interview posted recently where Koba said they had SBSH in mind during the development of 3. The face of Nobunaga was the face of DK, him being in would help western gamers with familiarity and association. |
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| Divine Justice | Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:14 pm Post #8420 |
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True, but at the same time this is supposed to be a reboot. That means they should be doin their best to avoid association with DK |
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| Furinkazen | Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:19 pm Post #8421 |
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Nobunaga's inclusion is pretty much because he is recognisable to western audiences. Devil Kings really isn't to do with it. (DK2 got canned for US release if I am not mistaken...). And if you're going to say that Nobunaga should not be in it... why is Oichi in? |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:20 pm Post #8422 |
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DJ...you DO know that Kobayashi makes this game...right? The guy who constantly gives a crap about what fans, critics and other people say to him. The guy who thinks heīs some kind of rockstar and simply does whatever he wants, when he wants and pretty much lives in his own world, as we see in every interview we have with him And they are really bad at PR and advertisement. As theyīve shown more than once now... Also remember the saying:"Even bad PR is good PR" Even if a commercial sucks hard, people will remember it, cause itīs so bad. So actually reminding the DK fans that a new installment comes, wether or not they liked it, is a good idea. DK cut characters, had NPCs, took away a lot of meaning thanks to the translation and had a laughable amount of playable characters. This time SB:SH officially has cut characters, NPCs, bad translations, laughable amount of characters and this time no dual audio. They donīt have to remind people that this is "DK2", since everyone will notice it, once they see all this EDIT: Oichi? Because of the female quote and because Kobayashi wanted her in (he said that himself. He wanted at least some females in SB3) Thereīs your reason for Oichi being in.
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| Tetsuo9999 | Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:32 pm Post #8423 |
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Can someone direct me to the video of Kanbei making that face that everyone posts so much? I just got back from a 3-week vacation, so I haven't been keeping up. |
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| RoyalRocket | Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:34 pm Post #8424 |
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Why did the Korean site get the update and not the Japanese site? Does Capcom Japan not care or did Capcom Korea just leaked out the info early? |
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| Hondam | Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:38 pm Post #8425 |
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That still proves my point. And it doesn't matter if DK2 was canned (I don't even think it was ever in development in the first place), DK still came out and Devil King was the leading dude. And what does Oichi have to do with anything? She wasn't being discussed (Why is Tsuru in? Why is Shingen alive? Why is Kenshin in? Why is Sorin in? Come on now). There's a plot reason for not liking the idea of Nobunaga. And no, not the excuse of history- I don't think anyone is silly enough to run around with that. It's the fact that Nobunaga dying was one of the main focal points and starting factors in the plot we're at now (in the BASARA-verse). |
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