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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,005 Views)
Furinkazen
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Hondam
Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:38 pm
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:19 pm
Nobunaga's inclusion is pretty much because he is recognisable to western audiences. Devil Kings really isn't to do with it. (DK2 got canned for US release if I am not mistaken...).

And if you're going to say that Nobunaga should not be in it... why is Oichi in?
That still proves my point. And it doesn't matter if DK2 was canned (I don't even think it was ever in development in the first place), DK still came out and Devil King was the leading dude.

And what does Oichi have to do with anything? She wasn't being discussed (Why is Tsuru in? Why is Shingen alive? Why is Kenshin in? Why is Sorin in? Come on now). There's a plot reason for not liking the idea of Nobunaga. And no, not the excuse of history- I don't think anyone is silly enough to run around with that. It's the fact that Nobunaga dying was one of the main focal points and starting factors in the plot we're at now (in the BASARA-verse).
The entire BASARA universe is to be simple A MESS. And I never said that capcom are being historically correct. (or not as it is)
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RoyalRocket
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BASARA Universe = their own plot with Historic characters, Its got almost nothing to do with historic facts except for the general plot and idea.
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This really irritates me. I welcomed them cutting characters primarily because it would get Nobunaga out of the way. Instead they've cut plenty of interesting characters and brought back the most generic one. Bleh.
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:38 pm
. It's the fact that Nobunaga dying was one of the main focal points and starting factors in the plot we're at now (in the BASARA-verse).
And he being resurrected in the middle of Sekigahara, can't make the plot more interesting
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Okay, so the reason I haven't given my thoughs on Nobunaga so far is because I didn't want to jump the gun and judge too early before we see what Capcom had planned for him. I'll still keep this trail of thought, because we only know hes confirmed and we have no clue what he'll bring to the table, but honestly, he was my least wanted out of our 3 contenders.

While historically my favourite unifier, in this game, I think Ouelis said it best. Hes just a bland "evil for the sake of being evil" cookie cutter character, who's only redeeming feature is Wakamoto. And Koba, being Koba, obviously chooses him rather than Hisahide, a character who gives us new perspectives on our warriors and highlights their individual flaws. One whos quite popular among the fandom, and one who wouldn't screw up the timeline (for which characters got cut!) as badly as the Dai Rokuten Maoh.

I don't want to beat the already thousands of dead horses this thread has given us, but what the hell Capcom!? As long as he actually devotes something to the story, rather than being a predictable "Last boss" bonus character, I'll get through it. But the reason why my man Nagamasa was cut has been rendered moot. Nice.

Well, whatever. Its not exactly going to take away from my experience, all the better if hes more than a over powered bonus character, but boy, do I feel sorry the boards Hisahide fans. I mean, has DK even got one favourite thats actually playable? :kurokan:

By the way, great avatar Hondam. More love for our Inuchiyo-sama <3
Edited by Manta Punk, Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:10 pm.
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Someone thinks of me :o
I´ll let you win, once we´ll play Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm 2 online for that, MP :bowdown:
(you would´ve won anyways I guess :D )

But really:

Most wanted new character: Naoe Kanetsugu - UNPC
Most wanted male character: Matsunaga Hisahide - Koba said F him
Most wanted female character: Matsu - NPC
Most wanted comdey character: Kennyo - Another F him
Favourite veteran: Mitsuhide - NPC and Tenkai´d

So no...this game is a total mess for me. Only Ieyasu and Kotaro save the day a bit, as well as Mitsunari and Kanbei -_-

Sengoku BASARA 3 sucks hard for now cause it looks like there is no other mode, other than the story mode, there are no alternative outifts, the online mode got canned, there´s a laughable amount of playable charaters as well as a "cryable" amount of NPCs and cut characters, there are so many useless features that it´s not even funny anymore (copy/paste base system from Empires, bodyguard system...why?) and the character I cared for most and that is loved by a lot of people is nowhere to be found. He was in ONE game and in that as a NPC.
And now he´s cut? Seriously? I mean...seriously? :mellow:

I really hope that this is a first try and they only got this mess out of the production hall, because they allready work on SB4 or at least a game that has every charater in it and it doesn´t take them years to bring it out. This Decemeber or next summer is excuseable, everything above it is just plain lazy, given that those NPCs are allready on the disc with all their moves. (or at least allmost)

And JJ, don´t you get Hondam´s and everyone else´s point?

We only took that "history"-stuff into it, because Kobayashi said the reason he cut characters was to have a backround for the story and to make it a bit more believable. What´s believable if 2 of those dead plot relevant characters aren´t dead? What´s serious about this?

This story doesn´t make sense. And we don´t talk about HIstory, but about the Sengoku BASARA 3 story. They killed characters because of having a more sense making story and now they throw everything overboard to have a second Wesker and another Onimusha Nobunaga. :facepalm:

What´s wrong with CAPCOM? Is this the new Dr. Wily?
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Kiheiji
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I didn't see the Oda mon behind Nobunaga. I hope that's not a big a deal.

But yeah, agree MP. A little too early to judge. Still, I have some expectations out of him. Who knows? Maybe he'll get something more meaningful than his last two stories.
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Nine Demons Yoshitaka
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I can't believe this...

they better come up with a damn good reason.....

Whoops, I forgot: :kurokan:

Tengu: Hisahide is an original, complex character, with stylish moves, awesome quotes and a badass personality.

Nobunaga is an awesomely made cliche', but I feel that he's getting a little stale...
Edited by Nine Demons Yoshitaka, Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:46 pm.
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AnkiRendan
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Haha, looks like it's time to stop lurking and join the discussion. Hey everybody. =) I actually read through this entire topic in like, a week. So it's really interesting to see how people were when the game was announced to this latest development. I've only been a fan of Sengoku Basara for about 2 months, but after watching the anime and playing Sengoku Basara 2/Heroes/X, I really love the franchise. But since I haven't actually been into the series for very long, maybe that's why I'm not feeling as disappointed as the rest of you, as much as I love Musashi and Hisahide.

I have to admit it is pretty confusing to think about why he was concluded, but I don't think he was included to appeal to the Western side. Think about it. Devil Kings was a massive failure due to lack of advertising and being seen as a Samurai Warriors ripoff, right? It didn't recieve a lot of good reviews, and I believe I read that Koba wants Devil Kings to be forgotten. It's not like he'll be on the front cover again either (I hope), so it doesn't seem like he was included for the Western audience.

I think that Nobunaga is the third pillar of the Sengoku Basara series. It's a lot like Mario, Luigi and Bowser. Three iconic characters. Masamune, Yukimura and Nobunaga have been there since the first game, right? Masamune and Yukimura as the main characters/rivals, and Nobunaga as the big bad. Even though he took a backseat in 2/Heroes, he was still there, and he still had a presence. As he said in the anime, "There is no one before me, there is no one behind me." The Devil King is here to stay! XD Having Norio as a seiyuu doesn't hurt either.

It IS strange that they'd ignore Hisahide though. He was number 11 on that Heroes poll, wasn't he? Then again, this is the same Capcom that continues to make fun of MUTEKI, so..
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BlackKite
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LOL, so the rumor is true after all. I skipped the previous page because I know that page is full of ragestorm.

Since it's pretty much hinted since weeks ago, I'm not surprised anymore. But what's make me wondering is that the 'leak' source is from.... Capcom Korea? They're releasing this game in Korea too? I thought Korea hates Sengoku period so much because Hideyoshi invaded them, to the point that Mitsurugi was replaced with Arthur in Soul Calibur..... :/

Oh, and good job on finding the leak, Dukemon. ;)
Edited by BlackKite, Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:52 pm.
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Im not really sure on how to react on this inferno. Surprised I guess :kurokan:
Even if I would rather have Musashi and Nobonagas life destroys all logic of the cut characters, it could still be worse...
I think.
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The last playable character is Nobunaga... I still preferred Miyamoto Musashi, but never mind.
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Them putting in Nobunaga in SB3 for the sake of western audiences would make more sense if, you know, Devil Kings actually did even remotely well in the states. If they cared enough about the western release to put Nobunaga in, I would hope they'd be doing a little better to get people excited about the game. I'm sorry, but the occasional Kotaku blogpost and what little "hype" exists on the anime message boards... Just really doesn't cut it.

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I thought Korea hates Sengoku period so much because Hideyoshi invaded them


They appreciate the irony of Hideyoshi getting offed but his ex-boss gets to live.
Edited by LordKarasuman, Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:58 pm.
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Nobunaga is probably in? Why that? Didn't they say, that he is among the characters, that are taking a break? At least that's what the info thread says:

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The following characters are confirmed to not appear in this game (as PCs or NPCs), or as Capcom says, taking a break
Imagawa Yoshimoto
Azai Nagamasa
Oda Nobunaga
Nouhime
Mori Ranmaru
Takenaka Hanbei (has been seen in a CG cutscene still, however)
Toyotomi Hideyoshi (will be a "Drama General")
Takeda Shingen (still alive but too sick to fight, appears as a "Drama General")
Zabii (still alive but he's currently spreading love outside Japan)
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When they announced that they knew might not figure they would include a "bonus" character.
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:10 pm
Nobunaga is probably in? Why that? Didn't they say, that he is among the characters, that are taking a break? At least that's what the info thread says:

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The following characters are confirmed to not appear in this game (as PCs or NPCs), or as Capcom says, taking a break
Imagawa Yoshimoto
Azai Nagamasa
Oda Nobunaga
Nouhime
Mori Ranmaru
Takenaka Hanbei (has been seen in a CG cutscene still, however)
Toyotomi Hideyoshi (will be a "Drama General")
Takeda Shingen (still alive but too sick to fight, appears as a "Drama General")
Zabii (still alive but he's currently spreading love outside Japan)
Hint: Hiroyuki Kobayashi is a great troll

And it's just like what I said earlier, this is the pinnacle of his trolls. :meantongue:

BRB editing the info topic
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Yeah, true. He's a big troll. What's the point in saying right at the start they won't add Nobunaga and then popping up near the release and saying "nah, we lied!" Wtf???
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well well well imortals do exist in BASARA, so it is nobunaga who is the last character, i always injoy his company but not in a sekigahara based game, if they were gonna add nobunaga why make the main plot revolving around sekigahara, cmon koba. but hey now we know koba is the biggest troll EVERRRR!!! , but im still buying SB3 and i will still enjoy nobunaga and the story and what is that behind nobunaga in that pic?
Edited by DarkMantisTalon, Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:27 pm.
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Yes we´ll all be enjoying Nobunaga (not if they cut most of his old moves and added that boring Demon Cape version of his...I hope that version of his is just the end-boss design and he just uses it in some of his skills/superskills...Nobunaga without a shotgun is like a cliche villain without a shotgun. Just lame :mellow: )

So some might understand my ragestorm. It might take years for another SB to come out. I´ve allready waited 3 damn years for a true successor and this is what I get :OMG:

And now I have to wait another year? And to play as Hisahide maybe another 3 years? I mean...why? :kurokan:

And don´t forget there´s allways the possibility of it never getting another title again. There were a lot of popular TV shows, movies, games with a cliffhanger or some other plans to follow up and then they got cancelled.

Koba and his team act as if everyone of us is immortal and everyone will allways play and buy any Sengoku BASARA shyte he´s throwing at us.

Time is something we don´t have, you damn troll. :hmmm:
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Just noticed one thing. It looks like Oichi's army is still 'Oda remnant', but Nobunaga's army is 'Oda'.

Maybe this one will be an actual undead army, eh?
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According to some 2channers who translated the Korean info script, Nobunaga has returned from Hell, possessing the power of the Demon King of the sixth heaven.

His objective, of course, is to wreak havoc upon Sekigahara....

Well, Nobunaga couldn't have had a different story, after all....
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Nine Demons Yoshitaka
Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:44 pm
According to some 2channers who translated the Korean info script, Nobunaga has returned from Hell, possessing the power of the Demon King of the sixth heaven.

His objective, of course, is to wreak havoc upon Sekigahara....

Well, Nobunaga couldn't have had a different story, after all....
Lol, oh boy...

Well, that's too bad then. Hopefully he'll stay out of other stories (aside from maybe Ichi).
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Nine Demons Yoshitaka
Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:44 pm
According to some 2channers who translated the Korean info script, Nobunaga has returned from Hell, possessing the power of the Demon King of the sixth heaven.

His objective, of course, is to wreak havoc upon Sekigahara....


Well, Nobunaga couldn't have had a different story, after all....
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Nah, just kidding. I know something like this would happen. A bit disgruntled, but still, better than having Itsuki or whoever she is.
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Nine Demons Yoshitaka
Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:44 pm
According to some 2channers who translated the Korean info script, Nobunaga has returned from Hell, possessing the power of the Demon King of the sixth heaven.

His objective, of course, is to wreak havoc upon Sekigahara....

Well, Nobunaga couldn't have had a different story, after all....
Actually i wasn't expected something more
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Nine Demons Yoshitaka
Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:44 pm
According to some 2channers who translated the Korean info script, Nobunaga has returned from Hell, possessing the power of the Demon King of the sixth heaven.

His objective, of course, is to wreak havoc upon Sekigahara....

Well, Nobunaga couldn't have had a different story, after all....
Yay, generic Sengoku BASARA Nobunaga Oda is generic! Again!
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