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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,004 Views)
The Outsider
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Can't say I'm disheartened because I never got my hopes up :unsure: . Thank god there's possibilty for Heroes though right.

Simple question though? Why is he alive :unsure: ? It makes no sense, oh that's right, neither does Koba or the Basara universe <_< .
Edited by The Outsider, Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:17 pm.
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Balder
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Hondam,
I see we're on the same page on this matter. I guess most of us are either completely happy with his inclusion or like the character a lot but still think that nonetheless, he should have passed the torch to someone else.
Also, as Manta Punk mentioned, this, even moreso than Tsuruhime, renders the reason for many exclusions entirely moot.

Ouelis,
That's not spoilers for FFIX. That's spoilers for every goddamned JRPG out there! :P

NDY,
Thanks for clearing us on ol' Nobs story. He sounds very "Onimusha-esque".
If he is the final boss, I wonder if the Demon King will have a 2nd NPC form?

I'm still kind of torn on this matter, as it's rather awkward to complain about the inclusion of a character I like and I won't lie, between Nobunaga and Musashi (who had a 50/50 chance with Hisahide), I vastly favor Nobunaga.
If anything, I imagine that if the choice was between those whom we thought were the most likely candidates, I imagine our opinions on the matter would be much more vocal and divided.
However, after giving it some thought, I am beginning to warm up to the idea of Nobunaga's inclusion. If his story is well executed, things might get really interesting. What will Nobunaga think of a world without Nobunaga? What will the world without Nobunaga think of Nobunaga returning?
His interactions with other characters might be promising. Expect a cutscene of Mitsuhide losing bowel control.
And what about Oichi? Will big bro stand idle to baby sis who went done stole his bike army? Will their encounter trigger her lost memories? I can see Ichi whipping out a can of spinach, this crazy music starts playing and then all Hell breaks loose...like, literally.
A mass scale battle with two roided rampaging demons - Sekigahara may be fun. :ph43r:

On a final note, this is really poor coordination by the team, allowing the Korean site to spill the beans like this.
Really, the Basara 3 soap opera ended in such a uncelebrated fashion.
The update schedule was so poorly planned they couldn't even finish it properly.
To quote the internet - they done goofed up. :blink:
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Pretty Sweet that Nobunaga has been added, allthough i thought he was one of the ones cut seeing as hes Nobunaga!.. i thought he was in it since day one :XD .. But i know nothing of this game anyway so :whistle:

But the little bit of info im happy to see is a release date for the uk :D ... Its still a few months but atleast we are getting it...

Brain!, make way for a new fav game.. :dance:
Edited by Joetri10, Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:45 pm.
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murakumo
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*sigh* Oh dear, Kobapii. At least tell it to the fans straight for once won't you? -_-

I don't know what to think. I'm pretty mellow about everything which is why I haven't been posting much (RAGE = not my thing), but this is just mind-boggling. I like Nobunaga, he is awesome and I'll be glad to play as him, but what does this do to the story? I think Capcom are missing out, I really do. If you let go of some really good characters, you have to make up for them, and they haven't done that. The game looks good, this got pulled out of nowhere but it's Capcom, it works. I don't mind Nobunaga coming back from Hell in all his evilness, but I want some good, substantial characters in return. I'll be interested to see how they explain this (if they explain it at all)... :mellow:

Also, where are Hisahide, Musashi, heck, even Itsuki? We've had no word on them. They can't just be forgotten. Hisahide and Musashi are famous and Itsuki has been around since the very beginning. :uh:
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Azu
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:17 pm
Simple question though? Why is he alive :unsure: ? It makes no sense, oh that's right, neither does Koba or the Basara universe <_< .
I think he's undead or somethin :/
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ZhugeJebus
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Devil Kings may not have sold well, bur Nobunaga was the primary character in the Onimusha trilogy- which did sell well. Connecting Oda to literal demon and being a step or two closer to Onimusha will link the series.
The average gamer will more likely go "Nobunaga Oda- isn't that the guy from Onimusha" vs "Isn't that Demon King with bigger eyes?"
And I thing we already know what the cover looks like- Yuki, Date, Ishida and Tokugawa facing off.
Overall- its meh to me. I have Devil Kings- but not Sengoku Basara 1 to 2 Heroes. and if in a year or two Capcom announces the finishing installment adding the NPCs from this, as well as H & H, Nagamasa, Musashi, Shingen ......
I'll happily put another $40 down on that title too.
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murakumo
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:02 pm
BOniTiger
Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:17 pm
Simple question though? Why is he alive :unsure: ? It makes no sense, oh that's right, neither does Koba or the Basara universe <_< .
I think he's undead or somethin :/
Probably something like what happened with the Emperor in FFII. Nobunaga died and went to hell, but he was so evil he took over hell and made it possible to come back to life. Evil demon gods do that. :ph43r:
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Claus
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Or they could tap into mythology, and how if you travel through the six paths of hell, you can be brought back to life as a being above humans. The possibilities are endless in thi department, but nobody hardly uses them anymore. =/

Generic story is generic.
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Azu
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Maybe a similar reason like the ressurection Shi Huangdi in Strikeforce 2: The souls of the fallen soldiers from the battle of Sekigahara gather and *boom* here you are Nobunaga.
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ChibiGingi
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I'm not even going to waste anyone time's here with a long rant, seeing as there have been 3 pages I skipped through that's probably enough to make up for even one of my silly rants.

I will simply express my dismay with this: "cannot wait for HEROES!"

Still getting this game, but I'll save the undead Demon Lord for last... geez, what a cop out.
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Ouelis
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:19 pm
Ouelis,
That's not spoilers for FFIX. That's spoilers for every goddamned JRPG out there! :P
Fair enough. Better safe then sorry though, no?

Oh, I completely forgot to thank Dukemon for finding the Nobunaga info and bringing it to us. Nicely done!
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Well donīt forget:
".....is coming" Didnīt Oichi say that?

She is his medium, his connection to the "other world".
He built up power in the Netherrealm and now came back into the Earthrealm.

Mortal Kombat says Hi to generic story.
And Final Fantasy Dissidia greets with Terraīs story about being the powerfull vessel of something even more powerfull.

Well, thought the story would be a bit deeper, but it all comes down to anime-cliche "seen a thousand times" scenarios.

Itīs like allways...just this time, they cut characters for that "epic" story. :mellow:

I like the idea of playing as Nobunaga, as long as his sixth Demon Lord form stays were it belongs and thatīs the skill slot not another "Oichi using demon stuff to attack".

Seriously, what happened to Kennyo, Itsuki, Hisahide, Musashi?
Oh man, another 5 years till I get to play as Kennyo and Hisahide...
I wanted Hisahide to be at least an NPC, so I finally have a good CGI picture of him to make an avatar/signature of him...

Well...now the dissapointment kicks in.

Gotta quit gaming soon...it has become a dissapointing industry with all that casual gaming, milking, updates/DLC and mass production stereotype games. Everyone says gaming grew up. All I can see is an hairy adult that still wears a diaper thatīs allready 5 years old and has never been changed, but used over a 1000 times <_<
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:04 pm.
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Dammit DAMMIT DAMMIT! I love Nobunaga as much as the next guy, but why's he back? Koba said he was gone! Was he added at the last minute? Feels like it. Did Koba outright lie? Maybe he did. I hope not, if he wants to keep his credibility as a businessman.

Sorry to sound more PO'd then usual, but this isn't right. Koba's basically broken every rule he's ever established. That's not fair. Yeah, it's a surprise, but not the "good" kind of surprise! :kurokan:

Hopefully, Nobunaga turns out to be much more of a massive badass then before. He's already looking more metal. ^_^
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This is dumb. I agree with DK. It's been 4 years since SB2:H. This really was a big game. Hisahide isn't here, now I've gotta wait another possible 4 years?

June 18th: "Possibilities for final PC: Hisahide, Hanbei, Miyamoto, Nobunaga."

Look which one got chosen. Does that really seem right?

I finally pre-ordered my copy too, Koba is a downright liar.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. IT'S GONNA HAPPEN LIKE THIS: NOBUNAGA IS GONNA COME TO SEKIGAHARA AND THEN, THE EAST AND WEST ARE GONNA HAVE TO JOIN TOGETHER AND FIGHT HIM.

In other words, the most generic story line ever. I honestly hope since Korea hates Sengoku period they did this as a joke. These too things can only describe this moment: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan: :kurokan:
Edited by Flashbang Incentive, Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:21 pm.
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If you're making a valid discussion point, then fine, but can all complaints please go to the relevant thread? I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets a headache from scrolling through pages and pages on non-stop ranting which, frankly, I've already seen time and again...
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I'd like to breakaway from the current trend of complaints and take a step back in time. A time where the years were being stamped with x's. In other words, I'd like to discuss the initial site for a second.

To be perfectly honest I can't remember how many years were shown and how many x's each had so if someone could help me out here it'd be appreciated. I'm sure the x's represented the actual historical deaths of the important people in that specific year to lead up to Sekigahara but do the number of characters who haven't been mentioned in the least as well as those confirmed to be bench-warming this time around also fit the amount of x's that showed up in the end?

At the top of my head I can only come up with Itsuki, Musashi and Hisahide who haven't been mentioned at all in any kind of interview or whatever. Maybe who everyone thought was an x for sure *coughNobunagacough* was actually someone else? It's a pretty poor theory I realize since if Itsuki really were one of those x's we'd have no idea which one she'd be as she's entirely fictional.
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Nine Demons Yoshitaka
Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:44 pm
According to some 2channers who translated the Korean info script, Nobunaga has returned from Hell, possessing the power of the Demon King of the sixth heaven.

His objective, of course, is to wreak havoc upon Sekigahara....

Well, Nobunaga couldn't have had a different story, after all....
Technically there is no heaven in hell, i think that may have been a mistranslation, he may have come from the 6th Circle of Hell though.

According to the book, The Divine Comedy, there are 9 circles of hell.

the 6th circle of Hell is "Heresy", the place in hell where people of false faiths go to be punished for not beveling in God.

it would make sense for Nobunaga to be sent there after death, since hes all about serving and fighting only for him self, a very selfish man.

and most likely, due to his demonic powers, was able to overthrow the demon who was in charge of that circle, and possibly even absorbing said demons powers to become stronger.

it could be that the Demon Kings foot soldiers could all be demons, rather than normal armored human warriors.

though this is all speculation on my part.
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:32 pm
Can someone direct me to the video of Kanbei making that face that everyone posts so much? I just got back from a 3-week vacation, so I haven't been keeping up.
You can find it on his page on the official site or in several sigs.

@Ixbran: No that's his title. Dai Roku Ten Maoh.

And I take back what I said. This is worst than when Kenshin, Kasuga, Kojuuro, and Sasuke were announced as NPCs.

@BasaraIsBest: Didn't you say you wanted Mitsunari, Masamune, Keiji and Yukimura on one side which would have never happened? Eh. I don't really care. But it should have been Dante. :sly:

I also see that this has gotten a couple of lurkers to post.

@AnkiRendan: Seriously? I don't think I could have bothered to read through all of that. But I was lucky to be here when the topic first started. Makes me feel special. :lol:
Edited by Ultimate Legend, Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:38 pm.
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:23 pm
Nine Demons Yoshitaka
Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:44 pm
According to some 2channers who translated the Korean info script, Nobunaga has returned from Hell, possessing the power of the Demon King of the sixth heaven.

His objective, of course, is to wreak havoc upon Sekigahara....

Well, Nobunaga couldn't have had a different story, after all....
Technically there is no heaven in hell, i think that may have been a mistranslation, he may have come from the 6th Circle of Hell though.

According to the book, The Divine Comedy, there are 9 circles of hell.

the 6th circle of Hell is "Heresy", the place in hell where people of false faiths go to be punished for not beveling in God.

it would make sense for Nobunaga to be sent there after death, since hes all about serving and fighting only for him self, a very selfish man.

and most likely, due to his demonic powers, was able to overthrow the demon who was in charge of that circle, and possibly even absorbing said demons powers to become stronger.

it could be that the Demon Kings foot soldiers could all be demons, rather than normal armored human warriors.

though this is all speculation on my part.
Wrong religion.

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And lol, Nobunaga. Well, I'm not disappointed any further than I already am, so meh.
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"Well, let's wait for Heroes"

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:Kurokan: Why? What reasoning did they have to do this?

Oh well. It could have been worse. We all know it. I agree it was the wrong move, but hey, let's count our blessings. At least (most of us) enjoy the character. Who knows, they might actually have it make a lot of sense and a very interesting story.


...

Or not. I'm gonna be positive on this though.

Also, I think Devilsking broke. He's broken, I tell ya!
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:13 pm
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:17 pm
Simple question though? Why is he alive :unsure: ? It makes no sense, oh that's right, neither does Koba or the Basara universe <_< .
I think he's undead or somethin :/
Probably something like what happened with the Emperor in FFII. Nobunaga died and went to hell, but he was so evil he took over hell and made it possible to come back to life. Evil demon gods do that. :ph43r:
Oh, well, I guess that's ok then :cool: , (sarcasm :?: ). I can't believe their tossing such a cliche theme at us. Oh "I Demon King, Demons like me, I given second chance to dominate earth" boll***s. Sorry, I've matured a lot since when I used to have paragraph rants :unsure: . So I just have little ones instead :XD .

I really wasn't expecting much else, really, not after past events. Can't help but believe Oichi is slightly dumbed down now, I really do believe she was added because Koba must like her. I mean, SB3 is centered around Sekigahara, yet we have 3 characters now from the Oda story/period, Nobunaga, Oichi AND Tenkai. It seems some really can't let go of the past -_- .

It's not hard to guess that Nobunaga will get special requirements, certainly not a starting character, certainly one not early unlocked, and probably a tale that won't have much to do with Ieyasu and Mitsunari. It will just be a sideways laugh I think, and even, hope, I guess.
Edited by The Outsider, Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:38 pm.
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:44 pm
According to some 2channers who translated the Korean info script, Nobunaga has returned from Hell, possessing the power of the Demon King of the sixth heaven.

His objective, of course, is to wreak havoc upon Sekigahara....

Well, Nobunaga couldn't have had a different story, after all....
Quoting for others who skipped this.
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:31 pm
Well, can't say I didn't call it :whistle:

*laughs at everyone who was "100% sure" that it was either Musashi or Hisahide*
Yeah, when you are told a character is dead and going to be "taking a break" from the game by the actual producer of the game, you tend to take him off the table in character discussions. At the time, Musashi and Hisahide WERE the most blatantly obvious and logical choices for the final slot.

I don't remember anyone clamoring that Nobunaga was a likely candidate before that iphone picture (after which, anyone with half a brain would logically consider him the final character)
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:49 pm
Nine Demons Yoshitaka
Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:44 pm
According to some 2channers who translated the Korean info script, Nobunaga has returned from Hell, possessing the power of the Demon King of the sixth heaven.

His objective, of course, is to wreak havoc upon Sekigahara....

Well, Nobunaga couldn't have had a different story, after all....
Quoting for others who skipped this.
In other words...

Generic story is generic, and takes a shat upon Koba's "rules". Oi...
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned it but.. That screenshot should be gameplay. Considering it is under the style section of the site, and all the other characters have a screen of their unique "system". (Ieyasu's Charge Attacks, Mitsunari's Flash Step, etc.)

So.. evil glowing demon thing behind him is part of Nobunaga's gameplay style?
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