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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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He seems to be a noble warrior, wearing a fancy armor, riding a horse, having this green cape, a long saber-like katana and he seems to have a helmet similiar to Mogami Yoshiaki(history wise) or Date Masamune(you know that half-moon crest).

He also seems to be a "man", meaning, not an inexperienced little brat with two sticks...for me that´s more than enough to get a rough idea of how Tsuchibayashi wants him to be...and I really like it! ^_^

Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:29 pm.
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No problem, Makishima, glad you liked it ;)

Just noticed...do Musashi, Ranmaru and Yukimura seem more...matured in those artworks?

Maybe we´ll really see more change than "only Ieyasu".

So there´s hope that we´ll finally see, at least a bit", grown up Ranmaru/Itsuki/Musashi...that would be awesome.

Also Kojiro looks a bit like KOEI´s Masamune doesn´t he?
Even though it may not be the final version of Kojiro...I like the long sword. And I like his design...if he ends up looking like that, I wouldn´t mind...
I think it has been stated that Yuikmura has matured.
It would be kind weird though without his "OYAKATA SAMAAAAA" thing going on.Lets see where Capcom takes this.

Regarding Katsuie and Kojiro,Katsuie looks awesome.Is he wearing some kind of mask?I can't really make it out :/
I've come across that Musashi picture many times and just thought "Kojiro" was a generic samurai...weird.
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First that made him something special, was point one:

His green cape. No one had a real cape yet(one that doesn´t pierce enemys, float around and wants to kill even more people)

Then the second point is his sword: It has this curve, like a saber, at it´s end which is not very common for the genereic samurais and it seems preeety long, just like all the versions of Kojiro before(and in the book Musashi)

And point three, his helment looks different than those from generic characters. The rest of his armor looks pretty fancy too, so...but his face isn´t a mask. You can see the rope that´s there to hold his helmet(the one on his chin)
His face is just shadowed(though I´d think a mask would be even cooler)

Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed Sep 2, 2009 5:42 pm.
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To be honest, the only thing about that picture that resembles Kojiro is the possibility he's carrying a long sword. But the curvature and thickness of the blade appears to be that of a Naginata more likely. The design of the character almost seems like one of the game's generic generals is riding the horse, possibly from the Mori or Shimazu army?
Edited by Yedo, Wed Sep 2, 2009 6:30 pm.
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The movement of the cape, "maybeKojiro´s" bodyposition and the fact that the blade has those "wind lines"(which make it look like it has an extreme curve, but in fact it´s only a small curve) which often suggests in pictures that someonthing is moving, tell´s me that he just turned around his horse to face Musashi, holding the reins of the horse in one hand and balancing out with the other, in which he holds his sword

Since Musashi´s and Kojiro´s duel is one of the most famous fights in history, it is highly to assume that this is Kojiro, hinting that Tsuchibayashi allready thought about giving Musashi his rival...
Since he turns around to face him and Musashi stands there proudly facing a man holding a long sword...there´s a pretty high chance this was meant to be Kojiro.

I don´t want to say that this is the definitive version of him and that Kojiro is comfirmed now, but firstly it highly increases his chances of being in and second I really like how he looks here.

Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed Sep 2, 2009 6:45 pm.
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The movement of the cape, "maybeKojiro´s" bodyposition and the fact that the blade has those "wind lines"(which make it look like it has an extreme curve, but in fact it´s only a small curve) which often suggests in pictures that someonthing is moving, tell´s me that he just turned around his horse to face Musashi, holding the reins of the horse in one hand and balancing out with the other, in which he holds his sword

Since Musashi´s and Kojiro´s duel is one of the most famous fights in history, it is highly to assume that this is Kojiro, hinting that Tsuchibayashi allready thought about giving Musashi his rival...
Since he turns around to face him and Musashi stands there proudly facing a man holding a long sword...there´s a pretty high chance this was meant to be Kojiro.

I don´t want to say that this is the definitive version of him and that Kojiro is comfirmed now, but firstly it highly increases his chances of being in and second I really like how he looks here.

Well, I'd have to disagree. I was looking at the blade itself, and not the lines that suggested wind. Even then, that's a pretty thick blade, with one crazy curve. You'd never see a blade like that on a sword...Maybe on the end of a pole, but not a sword.

Also...The duel on Ganryuu, it was Kojiro who was the one who ended up waiting, while Musashi arrived by boat some minutes late for their duel. I highly doubt Kojiro would be on horseback, instead he'd be standing on the beach just like Musashi is in the picture. That and it's pretty unlikely Kojiro wore any armor, since he hasn't participated in any battles.

I don't mean to be stubborn, it's just that Kojiro happens to be one of my favorite historical figures. And I've seen a couple of representations of him, at least 6, at most 7. And all of them have some correlations in their outward design inspired by the historical descriptions of Kojiro. The picture just doesn't resemble him at all.

I get the feeling that it might be someone else, maybe one of Musashi's other supposed rivals...Munenori maybe? Now that'd be more likely, since Munenori did fight in Sekigahara. You can definitely picture Munenori in that sort of armor, wielding a large and hefty blade like that against his foes.
Edited by Yedo, Wed Sep 2, 2009 7:04 pm.
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I get what you mean Hakumei, maybe I´m making a fuss out of nothing, but what you said that´s exactly my point.

It would be the first one that would be different. This time, not Kojiro is waiting, but Musashi waited for him. He waited for a real challenge, a man worthy of his...."skills". He seems to be a noble warrior, full of pride and honor, facing an inexperienced little brat.

A warrior, with full shining armor and a beautiful horse, with a sword he has used many times and knows how to use, facing a little boy who just likes to brawl and thinks he´s the best, still seeking his true way.

It would be like water and fire, those two facing each other is such a strong contrast.

I´ve imagined the BASARA Kojiro to be a pride and experienced warrior, who is not only strong, but wise too, thanks again to his experience. I hate those bloodthirsty, only duelling versions of him.

I hope this one is really different. The only thing I want for the BASARA version to have in common with the others is: The long sword. He should use the long sword and have a skill called the "swallow cut".

By the way, how do you want BASARA Kojiro to be?
I really like Sasaki "Ganryuu" Kojiro, just like you, so...have you had some thoughts about that? I mean this is BASARA after all, most of the time the characters end up the complete opposite of versions we might know, or history itself...so I wouldn´t rely on "normal things" and history. ^_^
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed Sep 2, 2009 9:43 pm.
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I get what you mean Hakumei, maybe I´m making a fuss out of nothing, but what you said that´s exactly my point.

It would be the first one that would be different. This time, not Kojiro is waiting, but Musashi waited for him. He waited for a real challenge, a man worthy of his...."skills". He seems to be a noble warrior, full of pride and honor, facing an inexperienced little brat.

A warrior, with full shining armor and a beautiful horse, with a sword he has used many times and knows how to use, facing a little boy who just likes to brawl and thinks he´s the best, still seeking his true way.

It would be like water and fire, those two facing each other is such a strong contrast.

I´ve imagined the BASARA Kojiro to be a pride and experienced warrior, who is not only strong, but wise too, thanks again to his experience. I hate those bloodthirsty, only duelling versions of him.

I hope this one is really different. The only thing I want for the BASARA version to have in common with the others is: The long sword. He should use the long sword and have a skill called the "swallow cut".

By the way, how do you want BASARA Kojiro to be?
I really like Sasaki "Ganryuu" Kojiro, just like you, so...have you had some thoughts about that? I mean this is BASARA after all, most of the time the characters end up the complete opposite of versions we might know, or history itself...so I wouldn´t rely on "normal things" and history. ^_^
I can definitely understand where you're coming from.

The way I see it...it's more than possible to make a character deeply rooted in history, while adding a completely unique twist to the design of the character. In the end, that makes the character incredibly unique, and different from all the other incarnations existing of the character.

One example would be the Sasaki Kojiro of Ryuu ga Gotoku Kenzan! Kojiro is definitely designed accurately...but the character himself is not at all what most people imagine Kojiro to be. I won't spoil it, it's simply a game you need to play for yourself.

As for the Kojiro I'd like to see...well, let's just say I'm more concerned with the rivalry between Kojiro and Musashi. I hope Capcom doesn't end up painting it black and white by making Musashi good, and Kojiro evil. Their rivalry should be more along the lines of Takeda and Uesugi's rivalry. Put it simply, Kojiro's mind should be in the same realm as Musashi's, they should want the same exact thing - to be the first to perfect their craft.

As far as moveset and weapons go, I just wonder how Capcom will make Kojiro different from Kojuuro Katakura - who in some ways is similar Sasaki Kojiro himself. For one, Kojuuro deploys 2 swords in battle, both which appear to be over 4 ft in length (thus they are definitely nodachi). Second, Kojuuro has a technique that's practically the Tsubame Gaeshi in reverse. The Tsubame Gaeshi consists of a down then up slash, while Kojuuro's Gekkou is an up then down slash :D .
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That´s exactly my thought.

Kojiro´s allways "the bad guy". Most of the games describe him as a killing machine, yearning for blood.

As I´ve said Musashi is the young, full of energy but unexperienced boy who wants to be the best and Kojiro is the proud experienced warrior who also aims to be the best.

Those two completely different persons wind up to have the same goal and thus the rivalry starts. I hope it doesn´t end up as Kojiro being arrogant and the bad guy, maybe even offending Musashi by killing of innocent people or something like that <_<

And I hope this rivalry gets as much love and detail as Yukimura´s and Masamune´s. I mean the duel One on One was pretty cool.

This goes not only for Musashi and Kojiro, all the rivalrys (namely Shingen and Kenshin) should get as much attention.

But I know, those two were the coverboys... :rolleyes:

And now we have again a fated "rivalry"...so I guess those will again be only "side-rivalrys"... <_<

P.S.:

Mitsunari´s voice gets close...maybe we´ll get some cool picture´s too :cool:
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I'm actually not fond of the Date vs Yukimura rivalry. It just seems too cliche...err...moreso.

From what I can remember, the only game I've seen Kojiro in where he's portrayed as a murderer is Samurai Warriors. The rest of the portrayals show Kojiro in a different light.

Hopefully Capcom won't exaggerate him too much. It'd be pretty cool if they made Kojiro somewhat heroic in his aspirations too.

Capcom did make an accurate representation of Kojiro for Onimusha Blade Warriors. The description below is what I think Kojiro should be like.

"This aloof swordsman devised the Swift's Revenge technique. Cool and composed, his focus on the power that resides within himself often makes him appear arrogant."
Edited by Yedo, Thu Sep 3, 2009 12:53 am.
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still about the kojiro debate thing

-kojiro is not a soldier,its quite awkward if you think he's wearing a custom set of armor and to top it off:a helmet
-the green thing looks more like a part of a long coat,just like what SB katakura kojuuro wears,a staple clothing of badass people...
-he's riding a really huge horse,if this is the depiction of the great ganryuujima battle,i't probably the strangest version ever,who will win?musashi's traps or kojiro's stallion trample?
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Thanks for the tip Crimsondramon! I couldn't find that Nico beta downloader, but looking for it on the web led me to a program called "smile downloader" who worked quite well...


I agree with wodash on the Kojiro thing: if that's him, that's a real weird Kojiro...armor and horse and everything...he wasn't a traditional samurai anyway, why would he wear such armor..?

A real mistery...
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Katsuie looks like Hondam mkII!! But seriously where is his head??
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One thing I hope they improve on is the multiplayer mode. In Heroes, the only Co-op was in Unification and Tournament modes. I think it should be available in all modes. You should be able to choose which stage you want to play instead of having to do Unification where you're forced to play certain stages. That's one of the positives with Koei since they let you have Co-op in Free and Story Mode.
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Official site just updated with Mitsunari's voice, Masamune & Yukimura's skills, and even more event screenshots. :)
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Mitsunari's voice is pretty damn good. He's not as cold as I thought...he seems pretty ruthless from his tone of voice. Nice.

"Lord Hideyoshi...please allow me to exterminate that man/woman"

"Decapitation is... what a bastard like you deserves, Ieyasu!!


I'm not 100% sure on the second (he says something like "Zanshu no kisu" at the start, but that doesn't make much sense in context...guess I misheard?)


From the screenshots, we see that Ieyasu pulls some crazy stunts and his fists still glow! Good stuff, but now I can't wait for next week....
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Sengoku Basara 3 is looking pretty good. The quality of the graphics for cutscenes is fantastic.

And I guess I was wrong, Mitsunari seems to be loyal to Hideyoshi, or at least, loyal to Hideyoshi's memory. Can't wait to see the extent of his rivalry with Tokugawa. The site needs more Kojuuro D:
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One thing I hope they improve on is the multiplayer mode. In Heroes, the only Co-op was in Unification and Tournament modes. I think it should be available in all modes. You should be able to choose which stage you want to play instead of having to do Unification where you're forced to play certain stages. That's one of the positives with Koei since they let you have Co-op in Free and Story Mode.
Agreed.I've always thought it was pretty odd that you couldn't play co-op in Free mode.I'm sure SB3 won't dissapoint though.

Woah at Mitsunari's voice.It's a bit err...different than I thought it'd be.But I still really like it, I knew Tomokazu Seki wouldn't do a bad job :sly:

The screens are pretty cool too.I was secrectly hoping for another character to appear though.Nevermind, atleast we got Ieyasu doing a leap of faith.
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...so next week Masamune´s voice?

No...they´ve updated Masamura´s skill part...maybe we´ll see even more with their voices...more than pictures that show us allways the same, just in different angles. <_<

Mitsunari´s voice I kinda hard to...love?

I really love the part were he gets all angry and emtional, I knew Tomokazu Seki would do a great job at that part...but his calm talking...doesn´t really fit his character...though I like it...I only "really love" the part were he starts thinking about Ieyasu.
But if that´s the quality we´ll see for other new characters and the characters we had before...we won´t have to worry about the sound...since actors like him know how to play their part.

So nothing new again?

Oh, well...23 days left... :mellow:
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Oh, well...23 days left... :mellow:
I'm gonna stop you right there, you shouldn't think of it as "23 days left", but instead as "Only 23 days left" we could wait longer, i think 23 days is reasonable.

I'm not sure if i liked the voice, it was pretty good in the beggining, but near the end, it sort of went..... wierd. I dunno, it just didn't seem to match his character. I'll adjust. ^_^
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No, those are 23 days. Not more, not less.
You said we could wait longer...well we could wait less too.

This isn´t some case of "We could". We could a lot. I could go out there and be hit by a car. Aliens could take over the world and enslave the planet. CAPCOM could suddenly cancel Sengoku BASARA 3. There are so many coulds...

I´m not complaining that there are "only" 23 days left. The :mellow: smiley was just there to show that it´s not something to be happy about. But also something not to be dissapointed about. It´s just... :mellow:

Well, back to the actuall point, after listening to Mitsunari´s voice a view times, I think it fits him pretty good. I guess we have to see more of his character...or at least finally see him in action...to judge that better, but I really like it, seeing the picture of bad-mood Mitsunari in the backround ^_^

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Nice update this week, Mitsunari's voice sounds great, he actually sounds kinda heroic?? And WOW at those effects on Masamune and Yukimura's skills they look fantastic.

TGS can't come quick enough!
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Ahh...a perfect way to unwind from a long and tiring week....more BASARA goodness.

Seki doesn't disappoint me, thus far. His Mitsunari does a lot to remind me of a more "intense" Domon or Stahn (who likely doesn't have a "Rain" or "Rutee" to reel him in, and balance him out :hehe: ).

And yes...those FX look awesome! TGS will be here before I know it, so I eagerly look forward to all the stuff that's going to happen...
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mitsunari sounds full of hate towards ieyasu and too faithful towards (the deceased?) hideyoshi,yup,sounds like domon in the first half of G for me(when he's still looking for DG and master asia is still "good"

i wonder why they're delaying masa~yuki's voice in the site,its not like they're going to have a new VA or anything shocking to hide from us,or do they?
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I guess they're just buying time...they can't be changed much, can they? Besides Nakai and Hoshi are big names, they aren't likely to be dropped anytime soon...

Maybe Yukimura will have some more maturity in his voice?
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