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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,001 Views)
Hondam
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That wasn't a point, it was a silly assumption. And maybe some people would rather play the game without shoddy translations and lackluster voicing?

And you were also talking about Japanese, hence the Asia/Japan thing.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:53 am
Hondam
Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:18 am
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:15 am
Never understood importing, can't you just wait like everyone else :unsure: . People like that don't care for story 'cause not all 100% of you speak Japanese.
Don't make assumptions. There are several people here who understand Japanese, can speak it/read it fluently, and some even live in Japan and other parts of Asia.

That was just a silly, silly post.
Hey, the gameplay is a HUGE part of the game. So, that was a silly post. And, how do I know if the English voice actors could be up to par with the Japanese ones? You can still get a basic idea of what's going on if you don't speak Japanese.

Everybody wants different things. I for one like to know the reason why my character is actually in a battle :unsure: . This is a silly, silly argument :XD . I don't want to talk about this anymore.

@ Hondam

Yeah ok.
Edited by The Outsider, Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:01 am.
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Hondam
Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:18 am
BOniTiger
Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:15 am
Never understood importing, can't you just wait like everyone else :unsure: . People like that don't care for story 'cause not all 100% of you speak Japanese.
Don't make assumptions. There are several people here who understand Japanese, can speak it/read it fluently, and some even live in Japan and other parts of Asia.

That was just a silly, silly post.
Hey, the gameplay is a HUGE part of the game. So, that was a silly post. And, how do I know if the English voice actors could be up to par with the Japanese ones? You can still get a basic idea of what's going on if you don't speak Japanese.

Everybody wants different things. I for one like to know the reason why my character is actually in a battle :unsure: . This is a silly, silly argument :XD . I don't want to talk about this anymore.

@ Hondam

Yeah ok.
O.K., that was a stupid argument, lol. 9 more days. :dance:
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Nobunaga no appears in the list of characters on Korean site, it's normal?
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:20 am
Nobunaga no appears in the list of characters on Korean site, it's normal?
They took it down because it apparently wasn't meant to be put up so soon. It was probably leaked.

The image is still saved though. I uploaded it to TinyPic.
http://i29.tinypic.com/2i136u.jpg
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Yes, well good, now it's too late, everyone knows.
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That was low Necrosis-sensei...really...even for you...just because Devilkings was a bad game, it doesn´t mean you have to use it for your evil comments. And you are not better then Devilkings, since DK is a game. Don´t compare that to yourself. If it were possible to do that, everyone and everything would be better than Devilkings, that´s not big feat.
Don´t you ever feel ashamed :uh:

Well, at least we know now why Yoshitsugu wanted Oichi so badly.
He is probably one of the reasons why the Demon King was resurrected, seeing as the generic "evil" would perfectly fullfill his wish: DEATH EVERYWHERE.
Though I wonder how that helps Mitsunari/or why he needed Mitsunari in the first place...maybe he needed a lot of dead people/suffering to resurrect him.

And again, I hope Nobunaga still has his old moves. His cape and his shotgun were what made him great, now with the cape being a big demon, it might turn out to be a lame "shadow" moveset were the cape does the same things as Nobunaga, just with more BAM and damage.

Also it´ll be nice to see how Tenkai will react to Nobunaga and how Nobunaga reacts to "Mitsuhide". You know...the guy that killed him? :whistle:
Maybe Nobunaga doesn´t recognize Mitsuhide because he hid his true identity so well under his Tenkai disguise and just shoots him, because his talk about life being precious gets on his nerves. :lol:

Oh well, 5 years isn´t a long time to wait for Hisahide? Gotta play it on my Wii2 then...

Do you think they´ll continue their Nintendo/Sony best friends course or will they look which system did better, which was easier to produce and which will work out more in the future and then take actions based on that...
I´m really interested to see which version sells more...guess fangirls own more Wiis then PS3s, since a lot of anime based games are on that console... :ph43r:

And BTW...with MOVE and Wii-Motion plus...could there be...a BASARA KATANA :OMG:
I hope they had enough experiments with the 2D Beat´up and Smash Bros hybrid.

Now all my hopes go into the HEROES expansion that´ll come it in around 1 year and the PSP port/SB4 that´ll come out in around 2-3 years :dance:

And good lord, some called me egoistic and now look at those self-loving "got something I want" guys. Get in the same corner as Necrosis-sensei and feel ashamed at least for once. Some actually care for the things they like, you emotionless dolls :hmmm:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:03 pm.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:00 pm
And again, I hope Nobunaga still has his old moves. His cape and his shotgun were what made him great, now with the cape being a big demon, it might turn out to be a lame "shadow" moveset were the cape does the same things as Nobunaga, just with more BAM and damage.
I don't know why you keep talking about this...where are you getting the idea he somehow fights differently? The screenshot from the korean site? The giant apparition is clearly behind him, not his "new cape," and even then his shotgun is perfectly visible in both the shot and the CG art.
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How I get the idea?
They didn´t do anything I expected them to do (or wanted them to do)

Ruining him is the only thing they could do to make it more unbearable.

Also seeing as Oichi got her demon hands as her main weapon now, it´s not that impossible for them to change another Oda into using their heavens-sent demon powers.

It´s not the first time a character gets ruined for being too powerfull or too different.

It turned out great for Ieyasu, split the Oichi fans in half and might destroy the picture we have of good old Nobunaga.

And I see his shotgun, but will he have his awesome string skill? Can you say that for 100%?
You might be right with everything you say, but with all the stuff the KobA-Team pulled off, all I can do is hope. :mellow:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:23 pm.
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Well even though Devil Kings wasn't that good, it had some pretty cool trailers.
Look at this one and this one. If they can make the English trailers for this game better than that and actually advertise it well, it might not be so bad.

And thinking about it, DK wasn't so bad. It was the first one to start the hit combo system. It also gave Nobunaga a new skill (His ground to air skill). and gave him his 3 hit air string (SB Nobunaga Air attack sucked). And it made the game harder (Which is what many people want for the SB games). More unique troops (A lot more crazy which I think fits SB). They also fixed the BASARA Fury hitbox (Which sucked). There were just a few things they did wrong that ruined it.

I think it would've been better if they just added a new difficulty rather than taking out the original "Normal" mode which made it hard for starting characters since they only had an S-string and weak Prime attacks..

The "Prime" attacks would have been a great feature if implemented correctly. The main problems were
1. Forced you to use them to fill the Fury gauge.
2. Only Yukimura, Masamune and Tadakatsu had new, unique attacks (Everyone just used one of their old SB skills and they pretty much sucked.)
3. Not enough damage.

Besides the above and obvious problems (History thrown out, PCs turned NPCs), it wasn't that bad actually.

And now I've gone off topic. -_-

Meh, my post will probably be ignored anyone like it usually does. ;)
Edited by Ultimate Legend, Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:46 pm.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:22 pm
And I see his shotgun, but will he have his awesome string skill? Can you say that for 100%?
...Yes. >_>

But seriously.
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The giant apparition is clearly behind him, not his "new cape,"


I understand only some of the disappointment but this is just desperately TRYING to find something negative.
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whats all this talk about nobunaga's cape being a seperate entity, now? >_>

also, i see way too many people attacking american VAs, even though there are some very good ones...

the japanese ones arent exactly great, ya know... they all sound nearly the same to me.

except some men sound like little girls, i guess.

seriously, stop going off at the english VAs in these games, you have NO IDEA what bad voice acting, or normal acting, is...

i've seen/heard such bad acting, you'd literally wanna shoot yourself just to make it end.
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You do really hate me, don´t you Hondam?
You´ve sworn to counter everything I say to the day you die, didn´t you? :sly:

Don´t try to convince me. You heard me. I don´t trust anything I see on a picture or what Kobayashi says.

We first thought Kojuuro and Sasuke were playable when we saw them in a picture and well...
We thought Amago and Otomo would be playable when we saw their crests in a picture and well...

As long as I haven´t seen his gameplay video, I´ll stay sceptical.
This would be the only character I like (he´s my favourite villain afterall, Mr. Explosive took his place, but since Hisahide got the shaft again and will stay a NPC forever, he´s my favourite villain for now again :mellow:)

And I bet anything on it, that they´ll ruin him/make him generic/make him plain boring. I´ve stayed too optimistic, even at the end, so I´ll stay pessimistic now. That´s why I say they´ll ruin Nobunaga and won´t have any mode besides the story and free mode.

And UL, you are right.

The prime system was a good idea, since it didn´t let you spam the BASARA attack over and over again and it was a good way to rack up combos.
The second combo strings were neat ideas, the difficulty was really good and the VAs are a dream compared to what we have now.

Hmmm...so now we have to worry about Tsuruhime´s, Oichi´s and Nobunaga´s english VAs, since the first one might be a high pitched abomination, Oichi´s might be totally ruined with the wrong voice and Nobunaga...I hope they find one to match Wakamoto´s epic laugh :ph43r:
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You do really hate me, don´t you Hondam?
You´ve sworn to counter everything I say to the day you die, didn´t you? :sly:

Don´t try to convince me. You heard me. I don´t trust anything I see on a picture or what Kobayashi says.

We first thought Kojuuro and Sasuke were playable when we saw them in a picture and well...
We thought Amago and Otomo would be playable when we saw their crests in a picture and well...

As long as I haven´t seen his gameplay video, I´ll stay sceptical.
This would be the only character I like (he´s my favourite villain afterall, Mr. Explosive took his place, but since Hisahide got the shaft again and will stay a NPC forever, he´s my favourite villain for now again :mellow:)

And I bet anything on it, that they´ll ruin him/make him generic/make him plain boring. I´ve stayed too optimistic, even at the end, so I´ll stay pessimistic now. That´s why I say they´ll ruin Nobunaga and won´t have any mode besides the story and free mode.

And UL, you are right.

The prime system was a good idea, since it didn´t let you spam the BASARA attack over and over again and it was a good way to rack up combos.
The second combo strings were neat ideas, the difficulty was really good and the VAs are a dream compared to what we have now.

Hmmm...so now we have to worry about Tsuruhime´s, Oichi´s and Nobunaga´s english VAs, since the first one might be a high pitched abomination, Oichi´s might be totally ruined with the wrong voice and Nobunaga...I hope they find one to match Wakamoto´s epic laugh :ph43r:
Hey, don't forget about KEIJI! We still don't know what his VA sounds like.

Hondam, once again, how do you dash? Have you figured it out yet?

MoM, er, UL, I didn't skip over your post. :)

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^ As in the dash running feature? You just push forward on the analog twice.
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Nobunaga? :blink: This absolutely makes no sense now. Wasn't he confirmed to not appear in this one. OMG! This is completely ridiculous. Koba has really lost his mind by adding in many people are completely irrelevant to sekigahara. But watver... :rolleyes: Well..since Nobunaga is in, I hope he has some interaction with Oichi. That should be interesting to see. But still...im shocked and disappointed. :facepalm:
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:57 pm
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it but.. That screenshot should be gameplay. Considering it is under the style section of the site, and all the other characters have a screen of their unique "system". (Ieyasu's Charge Attacks, Mitsunari's Flash Step, etc.)

So.. evil glowing demon thing behind him is part of Nobunaga's gameplay style?
Thanks for the heads up, I didn't notice that. If that is true then I am even more happy about since it will probably end up being like his shotgun stuff, in that it is a skill with hopefully it's own attack string. I love playing as Nobunaga so I'm gonna love this new stuff so much, possible plot irrelevance or not :dance: .


Just as a recap, can someone list all the characters and their special abilities / unique "systems"? I am sure I missed a few of them.
Reposting this to see if anyone can help me with that list.
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From the info thread-

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Ieyasu: Holding the attack or skill button will charge his attacks/skills, making them stronger.

Mitsunari: Pressing the (attack) button with the right timing at the end of his skills makes him do a follow-up strike in ANY direction (even upwards), with his high-speed movement called Setsuna.

Masamune: The offensive 6-swords stance gives him more attack power and changes his skills too.

Yukimura: Pressing the (attack) button with the right timing at the end of his skills has him perform a forward lunge with his spear.

Maggie: Depending on which skill used, her basic attack string will change accordingly.

Tsuru: She has many skills that let her control the distance between her and the enemies. Her attacks deal more damage at a specific distance.

Kanbei: His skills leave him open for a certain time after ending, but pressing the dodge button with the right timing negates this opening.

Yoshitsugu: Keeping the (attack) button pressed lets him apply a mark to the enemies, and his skills thus acquire homing properties.


We don't know all the others just yet but we can assume some from the screenshots on Korean website (unless someone can translate the blurbs on the pages)-

Motonari: Obviously something to do with summoning foot soldiers and traps, but your guess is as good as mine.

Kotaro: Most likely his aerial comboing abilities

Tadakatsu: Attack Modes?

Motochika: The anchor and chain being able to pull in enemies

But hell, no idea really. Most of them are no different than just regular skills so eh. Guess we just have to wait for actual confirmation.
Edited by Hondam, Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:37 pm.
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BK, I just noticed that you put the "dirty little secret" in a spoiler.
Had to laugh a bit on that one. Though Tenkai really is a mysterious guy. :lol:

Hondam allready posted the ones we know, so I´ll put them in a spoiler.
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My take on the rest of the bunch:

Guess Yoshihiro´s trait is being a "One-Hit" specialist who concentrates on defeating enemies with strong and placed hits rather than weaker, but faster attacks.

Tadakatsu uses his different modes to combine them, seen as Jet mode + Cannon mode make for a "Jetbomber" and the Attack Mode + Drill Charge makes for a Laser Drill Charge.

Motonari probably uses his different strategies and tactics to trap and surprise his enemies.

Kotaro uses his skills to hold enemies in the air and juggle them.

Guess Motochika´s trait is his wide range, seeing as he can swing his anchor and thus can attack from up-close, mid-range and wide-range as well as pull in enemies.

I don´t really have a clue what Oichi´s supposed to do...Attack wide areas? Her Hands...then again, that´s her weapon...no clue...

Keiji...well he probably has skills were you can extent combos by pressing the button in the right time, like in SB2...though, again, it´s hard to tell.

As for Nobunaga, seeing as Hondam allmost convinced me that Mr. Bloody Hell Demon is probably just part of his moveset (super skills, BASARA) or the "end boss" version of him, I guess that Sixth Demon King power is his special trait. :huh:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:47 pm.
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BK's being lazy!

http://imepita.jp/20100720/831990


Partial translation:

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LMAO! I feel really bad saying this but i've given up on this game ages ago :/ Now that Nobunaga been added i'm so over being annoyed at this point its more of a "whatever" which is kinda disappointing I miss being overly excited over a basara game.

Oh well its Koba's game, I'm just not on board anymore.

Those of you That I can see still have a burning passion on the subject don't take it to heart there are plenty of other game designers out there with their head screwed on making fantastic games show them some love :lol:
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That info on Nobunaga sounds pretty good. Thanks a lot for bringing it here and translating NDY. Where's this from by the way? It's a bit early for Famitsu right? Also, the layout seems different. Or is it Famitsu?
Edited by Ouelis, Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:06 pm.
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I´ve been converted thanks to NDY!!!

I love you, you old Demon. Even if Nobunaga has six demons, we still have our own Nine Demons, Yoshitaka :bowdown:

Those are gameplay pics and it shows using his shotgun and having his normal cape. He has a shotgun skill and the demon summoning looks amazing.

Screw Hisahide (only untill he´s playable of course...in 5 years till never or Kobayashi finally dies while wrestling animals :mellow: )
The King is back!

I owe you an apology, Hondam, you were for once right :shifty:

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Maybe they said:"Screw it, Korea allready spilled the beans!" and brought it out sooner :huh:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:07 pm.
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Yeah, that's Dengeki. The Famitsu spoiler will arrive tomorrow at noon at the latest.

@ DK: he's the good old king! But anyway, you'll be probably able to play with me as support in the game. Take good care of Yoshitaka!

He looks completely overpowered, just as how Nobunaga should be I guess.

By the way, the Dengeki team rated the game 75-90-80-80 iirc.
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YES! Were finally past this angsty "Nobunaga ruins this game" bullshyte!

Holy crap, Nobunbaga's new skills sound completely epic. Silly people who said he would be half-assed.
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