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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,306 Views)
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:14 am
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Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:19 am
...and that's why koei shouldn't have gone with the wii.
I think these are from the PS3 version, so I don't think we should start saying that Capcom's owning Koei in the graphics department just yet.
Uhm, huh? I think you misread my post? SB3's graphics (based on these PS3 screens) = why koei shouldn't have picked the wii for SM3- it greatly pales in comparison graphics wise.


Yes, I misread it. I think I thought wrong so I assumed that you meant that SB3Wii looked better than SW3 because it's kinda obvious how a PS3 title can look better than Wii. But then I didn't read in how you said that's why Koei should have developed SW3 on PS3. Not like it'd make much a difference. Koei's graphical attempts on the PS3 still pale a lot to SB3.
Edited by thernz, Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:36 pm.
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Wow, Koei's Muneshige looks like a pretty cool dude... Wait.

Ugh, first aniki then Nagamasa and now Hanzo has a hawk. Sasuke much? I thought SW was supposed to be the more realistic of the two and thats why I kinda liked it as it was different from the crazyness of BASARA allowing me to get the best of both. But now it seems Koei is trying to do a cheap job of imitating BASARA's "style" :rolleyes:
Anyway, now that Koei is giving info by the bucket load, I hope Capcom will get even during the TGS. Just over a week :sly:

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Whoa, you have really sharp eyes, aren't you MP? :blink:
When you look at Muneshige's upper armor....... :hmmm:

Anyway, this week's there's no SB3 info on Famitsu either, and I can already predict how the update will go on Thursday & Friday. But next week is finally the week when Capcom will have to release new info on SB3! Hopefully our long wait will finally bear fruit. :XD
Although it would be better if there is new info appearing on next week's Famitsu, at the very least we would get new informations from Kobayashi's talkshow at TGS as promised.
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:23 pm
Whoa, you have really sharp eyes, aren't you MP? :blink:
Thanks BK. I just can't help but notice stuff like this :hehe:
Still, on the whole Muneshige = Nagamasa issue, Don't tell me thats a giant cross in the upper screenshot <_<

Seriously Koei, are you really going to go that far. I hope that i'm looking at the screen wrong.
And BK, if there is a Famitsu leak on BASARA next Tuesday, won't the secrets exposed in it ruin the announcements in the TGS?
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Actually that looks more like an "X" to me. Similar to what Liu Bei does in DW6. And yeah, there are definitely alot of similarities going on there. It's almost crazy isn't it?
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Well hopefuly they end up with their diferences....

And woooow, Koei, Sasuke much? :hehe: And thats coming from an unbiased SB/SW lover, i love 'em both equally (like a mother :XD )

And yep, thats a cross, i garuntee it.

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Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:41 pm
And BK, if there is a Famitsu leak on BASARA next Tuesday, won't the secrets exposed in it ruin the announcements in the TGS?
LOL, maybe. But then again Famitsu is released officially on Thursday, way before the public days are open starting Saturday. Maybe they could unveil bigger secrets exclusively at TGS, like silhouettes of All new characters? :hehe:

I know, I'm also trying to keep my anticipation at a reasonable level so I won't get underwhelmed by the information that would come later. :rolleyes:
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Miyazaki: Your avatar if full on WIN!

So that's the last character? Guess I'll head to the SW3 topic.
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:43 pm
Miyazaki: Your avatar if full on WIN!

I know, right? Jecht is too awesome :shifty:

Dammit BK! don't get my hopes up :hehe: silhouettes of all new characters would definately make this board more lively :lol:
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this really starts to look like a 2nd SNK vs CAPCOM war!(okay,its KOEI vs CAPCOM,but still,the former term is more famous..) and i like it>.<,i wonder if capcom will make a lu bu ish joke character and put it in SB3?(a la dan hibiki)
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I'm not surprised about anything any more, we are bound to see ideas being ripped from both franchises by now. But the Masamune situation is pretty funny, with his new look in SW3, he is more simliar than ever to SB's Masamune... Koei have made him older, given him a stronger look and the coat is a dead giveaway.

But I get the feeling that Koei didn't really care that much about Masamune (how else can you explain his joke of an appearance in SW1??) to begin with and never intended for him to be a major character in their franchise... That was until SB Masamune absolutely exploded in popularity and now Koei are like "heyzz our Masamune is cool too you know!!" :rolleyes:

And yes Miyazaki Jecht rocks! I'm still waiting for my dream FFXII-0 with Jecht, Young Auron and Lord Braska as the mains. :D
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I'm not surprised about anything any more, we are bound to see ideas being ripped from both franchises by now. But the Masamune situation is pretty funny, with his new look in SW3, he is more simliar than ever to SB's Masamune... Koei have made him older, given him a stronger look and the coat is a dead giveaway.

But I get the feeling that Koei didn't really care that much about Masamune (how else can you explain his joke of an appearance in SW1??) to begin with and never intended for him to be a major character in their franchise... That was until SB Masamune absolutely exploded in popularity and now Koei are like "heyzz our Masamune is cool too you know!!" :rolleyes:

And yes Miyazaki Jecht rocks! I'm still waiting for my dream FFXII-0 with Jecht, Young Auron and Lord Braska as the mains. :D
I like both Masamunes, they're both unique, and Koei is giving him more justice with each game -_- sO a Masa-Masa showdown might be in order :sly: they're both sllek, cool, and have AWESOME weapons.

But i don't think your dream FF will ever happen sadly, they already told most of it in FFX
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Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:07 am
But I get the feeling that Koei didn't really care that much about Masamune (how else can you explain his joke of an appearance in SW1??) to begin with and never intended for him to be a major character in their franchise... That was until SB Masamune absolutely exploded in popularity and now Koei are like "heyzz our Masamune is cool too you know!!" :rolleyes:
I completely agree. Koei didn't give **** about the Date.

SW1: Masamune is a little brat
SW2: Not so much, but... They had the gall to make Masamune a worshipper of Orochi in WO.
SW3: Once again Masamune misses out being in the center of focus.

If Masamune isn't getting a focus (or a new officer) on Koei, I'd say Koei has god-forsaken him and the whole Date clan.

But that's what Capcom is for, right?
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Since SW3 isn't out yet, i wouldn't say its fair to think he doesn't have a focus, he played a huge part in SW2 and in SW1 he was really strong and much harder than Keiji IMO

I notice you get really upset about SW Masamune, but i think thats a waste of energy, because he isn't as bad as you make him out to be, and Koei actually DOES give a sh*t about him, if they didn't they wouldn't include him in it so much, he always plays a big role, even in a spinoff series design to shed light on diferent characters
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Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:18 am
Since SW3 isn't out yet, i wouldn't say its fair to think he doesn't have a focus, he played a huge part in SW2 and in SW1 he was really strong and much harder than Keiji IMO

I notice you get really upset about SW Masamune, but i think thats a waste of energy, because he isn't as bad as you make him out to be, and Koei actually DOES give a sh*t about him, if they didn't they wouldn't include him in it so much, he always plays a big role, even in a spinoff series design to shed light on diferent characters
Define "huge part" I barely noticed Masamune in SW2 outside of his own story, he's just a Tokugawa lackey in most stages and the one level where he should shine: Hasedo is pretty disappointing IMO.
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Since SW3 isn't out yet, i wouldn't say its fair to think he doesn't have a focus, he played a huge part in SW2 and in SW1 he was really strong and much harder than Keiji IMO

I notice you get really upset about SW Masamune, but i think thats a waste of energy, because he isn't as bad as you make him out to be, and Koei actually DOES give a sh*t about him, if they didn't they wouldn't include him in it so much, he always plays a big role, even in a spinoff series design to shed light on diferent characters
Define "huge part" I barely noticed Masamune in SW2 outside of his own story, he's just a Tokugawa lackey in most stages and the one level where he should shine: Hasedo is pretty disappointing IMO.
He has a larger part than most poeple; Keiji,oichi,Nagamasa, Ginchyio, yoshihiro,Noh, Nene, all come to mind....

And he had a big focus in Odawara, an entire scene dedicated to him that a ton of characters had in their stories....

But lets not start an argument over this :P
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Seeing the "BASARA-isms" crop up in some of those screenshots for SenMu3 made LOL.

I mean, to me, it's not so much of a "bad thing". Hell, if any thing, it should be taken as a sign that, yeah, Capcom was thinking the right things, because "them Joneses" are taking strides to keep up with them.

Fully agree with wodash. This really is like SNK and Capcom, many moons ago. :hehe:
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It's nice to see some healthy competition between Koei and Capcom. But I frankly cannot compare this to the SNK and Capcom rivalry...Capcom just does things much more differently that Koei.

I don't really see much similarity with Muneshige and Nagamasa...The Sword and Shield....well, Nagamasa's is more like a small buckler that functions like a frisbee and Muneshige uses a double edged western sword. Muneshige also doesn't wear a helm.

Still waiting on TGS. Can't wait to see the updates for the rest of the cast.
Edited by Yedo, Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:04 am.
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What's this about Miyazaki's av? Basara people, praising a guy for a Sengoku Musou 3 av of Ujiy....oh wait nevermind my bad.


But yeah, when I saw the shot of Hanzo and the bird the first thing that came to my mind was Sasuke's bird gliding. But man, mediocre Moonyshiggy DOES look like basara Nagamasa, whats next, Capcom ripping off Koei's design for some new characters?

I see Masamune is still an arguing point though. X_X
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Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:32 am
SW1: Masamune is a little brat
SW2: Not so much, but... They had the gall to make Masamune a worshipper of Orochi in WO.
SW3: Once again Masamune misses out being in the center of focus.
SW1: His age is like what, 13, 14 in the 1st game? Koei did a damn good job representing him, considering he wasn't even born for most of the battles that took place. Not to mention that they even had him as playable character in the first place (he was added before Hideyoshi and Ieyasu!). They must really hate him!

SW2: One of the biggest changes (one of the most creative weapon sets in the franchise) from 1-->2. Yep, for sure koei hates him! (And don't get me started on MO! koei placed him on orochis side, fitting his personality exactly, in a spinoff game! chooo zannen! I won't mention keiji or lu bu or anyone else who fought with Orochi either though. Just masamune cause koei hates him!)

SM3: You've played the game?! But using more unfounded assumptions that have been dragged out for far too long, surely one can predict that koei hates him even more in SM3!!

I mean, really neo? How long do you plan on keeping up this attitude? And letting it spread to other threads? :/ Surely one can grow up and move on, no?

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Bah, hopefully capcom jumps on the info overload boat soon. They could've at least shown us Tadakatsu and the new character before entering this drought...
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What's this about Miyazaki's av? Basara people, praising a guy for a Sengoku Musou 3 av of Ujiy....oh wait nevermind my bad.

Seriously? not a funny joke, just kinda.... stupid. :o

^i agree with Krat, he gets a lot of attention and Koei obviously cares about him, just because he doesn't play as big a part as SB Masamune, doesn't mean they hate him -_-
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What's this about Miyazaki's av? Basara people, praising a guy for a Sengoku Musou 3 av of Ujiy....oh wait nevermind my bad.

Seriously? not a funny joke, just kinda.... stupid. :o

^i agree with Krat, he gets a lot of attention and Koei obviously cares about him, just because he doesn't play as big a part as SB Masamune, doesn't mean they hate him -_-
Meh, I dunno. NJB is obviously into the Date and Eastern army. I've recently become interested in Otani Yoshitsugu and i'd be pretty annoyed if either Koei or Capcom potrayed him as a "unlikable" character. Not to say Koei's Masamune is "unlikable" to everyone but they do potray him some what of a arrogant ass-kisser and to people who look up to his historical counter-part...I can see where NJB is coming from.

You never know though, he might get a major personality change in SW3, but only time will tell.

And Hakumei, you really can't see the similarities?
Well, try and compare him to Nagamasa's alt outfit, the one without his helmet.
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@Miyazaki: It may be a crazy philosophy, but in my eyes... once you're given a very embarrassing portrayal by the company, you know the company hates you. Embarrassing portrayal is the worst sin to be given to a character, it is even worse than demoting them to extras. So giving a lot of attention is not a sign of love. It depends of what kind of attention they're giving. If it was embarrassing, that's not love. That's hate.

@Krat:
SW1 - Masamune attracts a lot of haters. And his moveset... well, sucks.
SW2 - I will admit that I like his SW2 version period. However... you're saying a fanatical worshipper of Orochi is befitting of his personality!? He wasn't reaching that level of fanaticism in his services of Tokugawa! I've explained a lot about how I excused Keiji out of it, but the treatment to Masamune was just unfair. It was out of character. He's supposed to be highly confident, but not on the level of fanaticism.
SW3 - I've said about the main focuses of SW3 as KOEI described. It's Shingen-Kenshin-Ujiyasu; Nobunaga-Hideyoshi-Ieyasu; and the last one is Yukimura-Mitsunari-Kanetsugu.... Nope, no Masamune in sight. No new characters for Date either. Sure he may be a playable, but the fact that he's not amongst the focuses, he's not going to be the protagonist or at least get a good light in compensation of the bad light he gets in WO.

To me, if KOEI wants to prove that they don't hate Masamune and Date... here's what they should do (pick one):
1. Give him a focus as a protagonist, and get him on a good light. Not like MO. And... screw KOEI's designated poster boys.
2. ADD DATE OFFICERS!
3. Should MO3 comes out, GET HIM OUT OF OROCHI'S SERVICES. FOREVER.

When it comes to my favorites, I tend to be picky, but it's because anime/game has a history of pissing me off by screwing my favorites. It's a defensive mechanism.
Edited by ChrisX, Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:25 pm.
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Capcom already made Masamune like a protagonist. As far as I consider, Koei will not make him like that unless they the wanna wage war with Capcom. About adding a Date retainer maybe good, but Kojuro should be Kagetsuna.

Koei loves him, I think. They made him like a huge warrior in Kessen, and he have one of the best portraits for NA13 (which kinda look like his Basara self) and on most games, he's counted as an elite daimyo. SW's Masamune is underrated, but somehow I find Basara's Masamune overrated. He's portrayed as a super friggin awesome young badass daimyo who could stop Nobunaga.
Edited by Kiheiji, Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:07 pm.
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Well Basara is all about coolness, they kinda decided that historical accuracy can just go to hell. But I'm preferring the Basara version of Masamune. 'Generic Independent Badasses' is always way cooler than what Koei gave him. WO may be just a spin off game, but the fact that they DARE to give Masamune that kind of role sums up hatred. They won't have him worship Orochi if they love him! I mean, if Masamune has a lot of fans in Japan, won't they be already out for Koei's bankruptcy for ruining Masamune's image into a demon-worshipper!?
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