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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| Kiheiji | Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:22 pm Post #926 |
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I suggest they have no choice, SW is lack of villain. Maybe they have Nobunaga, but will he bow to Orochi? Hell no! DW in the other hand have plenty like Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu. If they decide to make WO3, I bet he'll not be with Orochi. By the way, I get the point that Basara is about coolness. |
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| ChrisX | Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:53 pm Post #927 |
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That is why I say we need KOEI to add more 'obviously evil' characters for the Samurai side, but... well we're getting a BIT off topic here. This is about Capcom... How many characters do they want in SB3 by the way? |
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| Manta Punk | Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:42 pm Post #928 |
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How many characters are in SB3? Or how many characters do we want to be in SB3? Well Capcom hasn't stated the official amount of characters yet, but i'm hoping all the previous make a return ( including the "incomplete" Heroes characters getting hopefully "complete") plus 4-6 new playable characters and a couple of NPCs. Anyway, i've recently found out that Sony is developing a "Sony wand" which works simliar to that of the Wiimote. Perhaps Capcom want to take advantage of this and thats why they ported onto both the PS3 and the Wii. I've only got the PS2 version of SB2:H so I have yet to play the Wii version. Did it take advantage of the Wii's motion sensor? |
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| Divine Justice | Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:27 pm Post #929 |
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Nope, no motion sensor in the Wii version. The "Sony Wand" as you called it isn't supposed to be out until mid next year though, so assuming that stays true it won't be out in time for this game so there really aren't any worries on that front ![]() But yeah, this is really getting out of hand, NJB. Masamune does not need to be a main character. We have BASARA for that, Masamune's SW role has been just fine. Excuse me for being blunt, but not all of your favorites have to be in the spotlight all the time. |
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| SRS | Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:00 pm Post #930 |
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It's because Basara is about style and coolness over other things is why Masamune can be made the main character and have such focus. When you look at this point of history, you can go through all the major conflicts of Sengoku without even mentioning Masamune. This is one reason why Masamune is not as prominent in SW: because he never WAS prominent until it was way too late. Since Basara doesn't adhere itself too strongly to the historical side, they're free to take Masamune and badass him out and have him kick the ass of people he never even met in his lifetime. NJB, you realize that things don't need to be black and white? Didn't you watch Gundam? Everything in SW is shades of gray.
His moveset was one of the more fun ones to use, thanks.
What fanaticism? What worshipping? When ever did Masamune act like Zhang Bao or Zhang Liang towards Orochi? The game says he is FRIENDS with Orochi, last I recall. In the Japanese version, anyway.
It's entirely fair and not OOC. He's an arrogant and stubborn young teen.
A. How does Masamune deserve to be included in any of those trios? B. He would feature prominently in all three of those storylines anyway! I bet you wanted them to list him as the first name in all three trios, huh?
Welcome back, how was the future two months from now?
Black and white. Edited by SRS, Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:01 pm.
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| necrosis | Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:18 pm Post #931 |
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I must agree with everyone else, NeoWorstBelmontEver, your rampant Masamune rambling.....getting old. What's next, complaining when Capcom makes another 3 Kingdoms game and Koei doesn't adhere to their standards and keeps say...Xiahou Yuan a touch more than a mook, when Capcom could make him the game's super badass? Just accept the fact that one series way overhypes a guy for the sake of it, and the other gives him a more standard treatment. |
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| ChrisX | Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:36 am Post #932 |
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@Manta: Erm, I mean... how many characters in total do Capcom plan? I sure as hell hope they don't try to make cuts. @necrosis: I'm having a gut feeling that you used to go under the name 'SHUMA-GORATH'. Only he calls me that. @DJ: After the treatment in WO, I just feel the NEED of Masamune getting a good spotlight to redeem all those shameful appearances. @Seraphil: Assuming that nobody gets cut from SW2, at this rate SW3 has already 38 characters. Add Goemon, we have 39 characters. That's beyond Koei's expectation of 'We will have 37 characters'. Obviously there will be no more room for a new character. Especially that unlike SB, SM3 is almost released in two months, they'll probably be busy with revealing the returning rosters' new designs. Also... the only story Masamune will be in (not in the protagonist light) is only at the last. I mean, you were the one who said 'Masamune wasn't even born in the era of Shingen!' Yes SW was supposed to be grey. But WO was supposed to be black and white (I like that concept) and Masamune was thrown to BLACK. Yes, you may raise the argument that WO2 might be more Grey. However... I like it better when it's Black and White. SW truly needs a more 'pure black' characters... something like SB's Nobunaga or Hisahide. (Maybe I watched too much Super Robot shows) I like it better if the ones on the Orochi's force is only those who are evil. I do admit I'm REALLY fickle when it comes to favorites. But... well, if Capcom does somehow redeem themselves by improving Ieyasu in SB3 (I like that. I can now excuse the lack of Tokugawa characters in SB because Ieyasu is finally great)... why can't Koei? All and all I suggest that we put down this discussion about my... favorite things. I think that nothing can really calm me down unless Koei incidentally fulfills my demands (but I'm pretty sure they won't listen). This is where my Sengoku game idea comes in and... well, yeah... maybe I'll pathetically run there and vent all my frustrations over there. Edited by ChrisX, Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:38 am.
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| Ultimate Legend | Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:48 am Post #933 |
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http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/stats/name_hist/83057/ Also, I understand that you would want your favorites to have main role, but Masamune just isn't that important. And in SW, there are more Western officers than Eastern officers so it's natural. Just like when you play with the Eastern officers (Particularly Ieyasu himself), Mitsunari is portrayed more like a "villain". It's all opinions. If the Eastern Army had more PC's, Mitsunari would be portrayed as the "villan" more often. |
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| ChrisX | Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:53 am Post #934 |
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I said 'drop this discussion, it's getting off topic...' Here, how about when next time you disagree with my 'favoritism' stuff and feel the need to rebuke them, you just send me a PM, hmm? One last answer:
Yes, this is why I really had the hunch that Koei wants to stir the public opinion to villainize Ieyasu more. Because there are more Western characters, more opposition for Ieyasu, thus more opinions that 'Ieyasu is the villain'. Considering Capcom, though it looks like Mitsunari lies more on the 'bad' side, so that's why I'm more rooting for Capcom these days. Other companies seems to like Mitsunari as the good guy (I read from some sources that how Mitsunari was executed became a turning point for historians to put sympathy on him, thus making Ieyasu like the 'next-generation, less brutal Nobunaga'). Capcom decided to not follow the normal flow and make him like that. Edited by ChrisX, Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:56 am.
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| MegaXtreme | Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:43 am Post #935 |
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I agree. Drop it, everyone, and let's get back to general SB3 discussion, please. There's no need to get worked up about this. |
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| BlackKite | Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:24 am Post #936 |
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Okay, let's settle it down already and go back to topic shall we? Anyway, the site's updated with Yukimura's voice and even many more event screenshots. And now everything that has been unveiled so far are on the site. Unless they're going for the worst scenario which is a week without updates, we must be seeing brand-new info next week.
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:09 am Post #937 |
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Yukimura's quote: "The commander's right here!! Call upon your courage and come at me! I am fully aware of the poor quality of my command baton!!!" So...he's got self-confidence issues, but he's trying hard. Shingen's death has really had its impact... Almighty lord BlackKite, what do you think is the green banner on that wooden structure behind Mitsunari on screenshot number 8? I’m searching (on the harimaya site) but no luck so far... |
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| BlackKite | Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:12 am Post #938 |
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It's the same Saika crest from the 7th pic in the 1st batch. Perhaps these many screenshots could be taken from 4-5 events, which should explain the similar settings. |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:29 am Post #939 |
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Doh, you're right. Well, at least now we can suppose that the Saika have some kind of machinery at their disposal (I know, grasping at at straws...) Anyway, why would Mitsunari have to deal with the Saika clan, if this story is centered around Sekigahara? If they're going to put the suppression of Kii in, we're talking about the years when Hideyoshi just came to power...and that would confirm his presence beyond all doubts, right...? But they talk of Mitsunari like a man already changed and sworn to vengeance....so Hideyoshi should be dead from the start. Hmm....:/ Or did that clan follow the Toyotomi after being defeated? I admit I don't know much about the events post-Kii.... |
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| BlackKite | Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:08 am Post #940 |
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Yup, supposedly the Saika supported Hideyoshi after being suppressed by the Oda, because IIRC Hideyoshi helped rebuild the Honganji temples afterwards. CMIIW And then again we have a scene of the Date confronting Mitsunari at a castle with Takeda flags... guess this time there will be many more story mode-specific events? |
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| wildcard | Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:26 am Post #941 |
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EDIT: Something is wrong with my browser >< It didn't show me the whole thread. I'll make a comment regarding SB 3 later. Gotta go. Edited by wildcard, Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:28 am.
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| Manta Punk | Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:22 pm Post #942 |
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Well, looks like this is the last week before we get new information. Regarding the update, Yukimura sounds as awesome as ever. I'm looking foward to seeing how Capcom have "matured" him. It also looks like we're definetly getting Mago and it looks like he'll be sporting orange and green. Not long to go
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| DarkDante | Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:50 pm Post #943 |
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So now we have everything that was scheduled... the real wait begins, I'm hoping we get some leaks from Famitsu or Dengeki before TGS, but if we don't it's no biggie. However at TGS they better release more than just Honda and the mystery character... that would be a big let down. Hopefully we get at least 3-4 new characters and at least 5-6 other returning ones. |
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| BlackKite | Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:22 pm Post #944 |
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Heads up on the TGS booth details. The schedule for the events at Capcom booth seems to be up, although it's still tentative at this point. The SB3 event, if no changes are made, should be held at these times. Saturday (26th) - 13:30 Sunday (27th) - 16:00 For those who are going to TGS might want to mark it out on a note. |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:16 pm Post #945 |
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Heh....unfortunately, I think tengu will be the only one to be able to attend....for urgent personal reasons, I'm going back to Italy for a week or so...next week. I'm gonna follow online coverage like you guys...sorry
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:38 pm Post #946 |
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Did anybody miss me Well gotta say the time went by fast and now it´s just a mere week till we finally get to see some BASARA action, hopefully.(though not in the form of a demo, but at least in some form of trailers, videos, etc.) Well...that´s all I have to say Since not much happenend...we allready knew Yukimura would have his problems with taking over the leadership...the thing that surprised me most was that Masamune´s voice sounds more different than Yukimura´s...at least to me Well, since I´m back now, get out some infos for me, CAPCOM
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| wodash | Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:09 am Post #947 |
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masamune sounds quite the same for me,SB yukimura can't properly lead "lead" a whole army,he was used to be a squad captain(who uses simple orders like charge and retreat to his men) that only follows shingen's tactics,now shingen is gone in order to gain victory without recklessly killing his own men due to bad strategies he tries to make himself the only target on the battlefield,so that his men will take the least damage,stupid,but brave nonetheless..... |
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| HokutoNoBen | Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:40 am Post #948 |
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Again, I really don't think there's much to worry about, when it comes to storyline details and characters (or lack thereof). I mean, it's possible that individual character storylines may stand to be much longer this time around (maybe upwards of 7-8 stages this time around...?), so that, for example, we'd get a few stages of Mitsunari palling around with Hideyoshi and Hanbei, before it all goes to crap, thanks to Ieyasu. Following that, you'd see the strides Mitsunari made to set up his own army, and then it would likely all end with his version of Sekigahara. I wouldn't mind such a thing in the least. After all, I think it would personally give the story-telling more "oomph" if we actually got to SEE these events in action, where the likes of Hideyoshi, Shingen and Kenshin meet their ends, and force their subordinates to soldier on. At best, this could be some of the most dynamic storytelling the BASARA series has seen yet. Or, if nothing else, it would be basically Capcom's way of doing what Koei did with SW2 (which was also a Sekigahara-based story). |
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| BlackKite | Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:31 am Post #949 |
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http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20090918_316606.html Article on Masamune & Yukimura's skills with new gameplay screenshots. The grap(ry EDIT: Screenshots uploaded to site just in case. ![]() http://koeiwarriors.co.uk/sb3-screenshots.php Edited by BlackKite, Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:44 am.
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:12 am Post #950 |
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Thanks for the screenshots!! Ok, now I'm giving up on worrying about character cuts and similar stuff. Yukimura's fighting Mouri soldiers in what looks like Itsukushima in the screenshots... Just one more week, guys. Let's get this cracking! We need at least one month worth of content to discuss... |
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