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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,339 Views)
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Thu Jul 2, 2009 5:39 pm
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Thu Jul 2, 2009 5:33 pm
Isn't it technically a crime :unsure: ?
Ummm.... maybe in certain parts of the world, but certainly not in any western nation (to my knowledge)

For USA and Canada, it's perfectly legal. I'm sure it's legal in most, if not all, of Europe as well. It's just trade, countries like trade. I don't claim to be an expert on the laws of the Asian, African, or Middle Eastern areas though, so if it's different there then my bad (though at the very least, I think we all know exporting isn't illegal in Asia :P)
Cool, that makes things look clearer :rolleyes: . Hm, I wonder why such a small small minority actually do it then :unsure: . Still though, I'd hate to be playing a game in complete Japanese, but that's just me.
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Thu Jul 2, 2009 5:31 pm
Like MXE said, if it's PS3 then anyone could just import. Which is what I'm hoping for, otherwise I'm modding my Wii or getting a Japanese one... *sigh*
Thats my problem.
The only way I'll able to play it is if it's for PS3.
I hope its not for WII,I really don't have enough to get a Japanese one :sad:

Anyway,isn't the PS3 currently the most popular console in Japan?
So theres a pretty high chance...
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Ah god yes, I've been waiting for this. SB2 and Heroes were such a goddamn blast to play. I hope this is at least for PS3. I hope Nobuyuki gets added.

On the import point, I wouldn't want this game in any other language then japanese. SB is so great for the fact that characters have such outragious personalities that you know exactly what they are about without understanding a word. It's not hard to work through the menus or anything either.
Edited by Veganto, Thu Jul 2, 2009 6:39 pm.
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So who else agrees this **** needs to be in english?

I loved Devil Kings.
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I assume that this will be released around the same time as Season 2 of the SB Anime since they're both due in 2010.

And for everyone hoping for a US/Europe release, unless they give it another chance and releases SB2 over here, forget any chances of a Western release.
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I don't understand why Capcom didn't release the others in english in the first place.
Did Devil Kings not sell well or...?
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I don't understand why Capcom didn't release the others in english in the first place.
Did Devil Kings not sell well or...?


Nope, it didn't. Not at all. ^^;



Any way, as I've said before, I'm expecting this to be a Wii game, if not perhaps a PS2/Wii type of deal (again). No real "loyalty" to the console (own 1, plus a PS3), but that's just what I expect.

The Wii is:
a) The most popular current-gen console in Japan. It's the one that the most BASARA fanboys and fangirls stand to own. If Capcom wants to make sure that this game can be in the hands of as many fans as possible, they'd likely will make is to that the game can be sold to those fans.

b) The current gen console that last had a "mainline" BASARA game on it. Yes, it was just a double-pack port, but it at least built the repertoire with fans. And Capcom was quoted on saying that they were "satisfied" with sales of that port on the Wii, which probably is a sign that they likely will make that console the "new home" for the series.

c) The console that has Monster Hunter 3/Tri. Thanks to that game being released next month, Capcom is going to have a whole new slew of fans buying the Wii just for that game. Strategically speaking, MH3 could stand to pave the way for BASARA next year. Besides, as it stands right now, MH is probably THE most important "new" property Capcom has at the moment. If the Wii got it, what's to stop BASARA from following suit?


And there's more I could list, but these are what I think are the single most "telling" reasons. I could be wrong, but again, wouldn't surprise me in the least.

In any case, I don't see what people are moaning about, if it indeed comes to the Wii. Next to the PS3, the Wii is the most easy current-gen console to make "import-friendly". You don't even have to open up the damn thing if you want it to play imports, just have a few things, like say a SD card and a copy of Twilight Princess handy... :hehe:


But enough about that! Time to celebrate the fact that this DAMN GAME WAS JUST ANNOUNCED! *blows on kazoo*

Also, if I were a betting man, I'd say that the two new "characters" would be

On the Left: NEW version of Tokugawa Ieyasu. The Baggy pants and some what "vest/mail" remind of the classic Ieyasu, but if they really are making a nice time jump, then yeah, it would make sense to have him grow up, give him a new look and new attitude. Plus, if it is about Sekigahara, then he needs to be a focal point this time around.

On the Right: Mitsunari. Yeah, I can't imagine it being anything else BUT this guy. He's the one who won the poll, and besides, he should be important this time around nonetheless.
Edited by HokutoNoBen, Thu Jul 2, 2009 7:15 pm.
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On the Left: NEW version of Tokugawa Ieyasu. The Baggy pants and some what "vest/mail" remind of the classic Ieyasu, but if they really are making a nice time jump, then yeah, it would make sense to have him grow up, give him a new look and new attitude. Plus, if it is about Sekigahara, then he needs to be a focal point this time around.
I can actually see that now that you mention it... the shape it certainly correct. I'll miss his trademark helmet if that's the case though :/
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I hope, this game is coming to the PS3 and Xbox 360.
And I hope, this game is coming also to Europe and North America.





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It will be a pleasure properly destroying both sides of the Realm Divide with the greatest warrior of the Sengoku period...

... Yoshimoto Imagawa.

*gets shot*
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It will be a pleasure properly destroying both sides of the Realm Divide with the greatest warrior of the Sengoku period...

... Yoshimoto Imagawa.

*gets shot*
:hehe: :hehe:

If you saw what happened in his storyline in SBBH? Then hell, who knows? A "SERIOUS!" Yoshimoto may actually be one of the top tiers of the BASARA Jidai. XD
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Yeah, I'd heard about that from a post here. Yoshimoto needs to flip out more often.
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Wait,the Wii's the most popular current-gen console in Japan...?
Where did I hear it was the PS3 :S

Anyway HokutoNoBen,your reasons for it being on the Wii are very solid.And if it is indeed the route Capcom has decided to take,I hope for a PS2 port.

I know Capcom hasn't announced the console yet,but I was hoping for it to released on the PS3,not just as I have one,but as I would love to see BASARA 'Step up' its style in beautiful HD.
But anyway,putting consoles aside,I'm just happy its finally announced.I'm feeling the way I did when 'Heroes' was announced but 100 times more happy.

I mean,we'll get new stages,new characters and the 'Half characters' (e.g Yoshimoto) will hopefully get a full skill set. :D
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I would also like to say just to be one of the first too say it, I don't think those characters are new at all. It probably Kenshin Uesugi/Frost and a smaller Hideyoshi Toyotomi.
I highly doubt that because the character designs in SB1 and SB2 hardly changed at all, and remember that the anime finished airing a few weeks ago in japan so I highly doubt they would do any drastic character redesigns unlike koei.

EDIT: Plus that anime has a season 2 coming in 2010.
Edited by Exonin, Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:08 pm.
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Wait,the Wii's the most popular current-gen console in Japan...?
Where did I hear it was the PS3 :S


It's true that the PS3 has been stepping up in sales this year. But even so, last I checked, the units sold to this date STILL don't even come close to selling how much Wii Fit has sold alone, much less the Wii Console LTD (LifeTime To Date).

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Anyway HokutoNoBen,your reasons for it being on the Wii are very solid.And if it is indeed the route Capcom has decided to take,I hope for a PS2 port.


Translation of Kobyashi's blog
 
Kobayashi thinks that the involvement in PS2 should be ended with SBX.


- http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/single/?p=685551&t=255731

If Kobyashi ain't lying from last year (or otherwise changed his mind), it looks like SBX will be the last the PS2 will see of BASARA, with HEROES being the last "proper" game.

Wherever BASARA3 ends up, it looks like PS2 won't be a part of this party this time around...end of an era.... :sad: , in a way...

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I know Capcom hasn't announced the console yet,but I was hoping for it to released on the PS3,not just as I have one,but as I would love to see BASARA 'Step up' its style in beautiful HD.


Meh. Even as a PS3 owner, so far, I've not been impressed by this HD era this much.

DW6. Devil May Cry 4. Resident Evil 5. All of these games were HD upgrades of their PS2 predecessors, but beyond that, they disappointed me. In many ways, each HD-ready sequel left much to be desired, compared to their PS2 progenitor.

So, I say, put it on PS3, ONLY if it's such that it's best for the game. And by that, I mean as far as gameplay goes, above all else. Otherwise, don't make it HD, just for the sake of HD. I really don't want another disappointment to happen to my new fave series from Capcom, and I'd like to think that they at least took a cue from Koei's example on how to NOT do a sequel to their own historical-based stylish action game. :hehe:

But in any case, again, I doubt that they'll make SB3 an HD title. This is a series that, fundamentally, was one built on a "budget", marketed mainly/ONLY in Japan (by the later games), and it stands to reason that one of the BIGGEST innovations they could introduce for SB3 will be....FINALLY...moving mouths. :hehe:

It's almost like the whole "Kunio-Kun (River City Ransom and etc) vs. Double Dragon" thing that Technos had years ago, where SB = Kunio and something like DMC = Double Dragon. ^^;
Edited by HokutoNoBen, Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:20 pm.
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I seriously wish these would decide to come out stateside. Devil Kings was a unique experience and not to mention VERY challenging. I seriously would fight and defeat every soldier on the map, then die to the boss easily. It was crazy, yet a challenge worth undertaking.

I realize Devil Kings is different from this, but I hope this does get released for the PS3 in Japan, at the very least. I keep hearing this is much better than Devil Kings, and plus, the PS3 is region-free, so I could import it. They didn't bring Heroes over, so I wouldn't figure they'd bring this over. Plus, wasn't Sengoku BASARA always PS2-exclusive, with the exception of one on the PSP? If so, I would think this would remain Sony-exclusive in Japan, so no one should really hold heir breath for a 360 version. Now, if it came stateside, a 360 version would pretty much be guaranteed.

Hope to hear more, especially what platform Capcom decides to release it on. I just hope not the Wii.
SB did come to states, it was just called Devil Kings
Um, did you read my post? I OWN Devil Kings. I've PLAYED it. It's NOT the same as Sengoku BASARA. Ask anyone who has played both. The characters and story differ.

And yeah, I'm seriously hoping this won't be for Wii. I'd hate to have to mod it. I was thinking about it when Tatsunoko VS Capcom seemed like a loss, but now we're getting that. If this does wind up for Wii, maybe they will bring it over, if there's a big enough demand. There was one for TVC.

I seriously think that this'll be for PS3, at least. And yes, it is legal to import games. North American retailers are not allowed to sell imported games, though. If you look at some game packaging it says "Not to be sold or distributed outside the United States, Canada, and Mexico", or something to that extent. The same applies to Japanese and European games, I would imagine. Importing, I do believe, is fine, since the distributing country is reaping the profits. It's also why it's so freakin' expensive to buy imported games. All the duties and customs and stuff like that.

I could be wrong, but so many people import games and I've never heard of anyone ever getting in trouble for it. Heck, look at eBay. Imported games are all over the place. So, if this does not come stateside, I'll probably import, as I hear the BASARA series is very good. It just will cost me $70 or more to get it here. :/
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Thanks for the advice, BlackKite! I'm sure I'll have to Gaijin Smash! them a few times to make my way in....but I'm going there first thing in the morning, so hopefully I will be near the top of the line.

I wonder if people camp for it...? I hope not many.

Kinda OT, but it's nice to see so many "new faces" (at least for me...well, I'm a new face myself...) popping up now that there's big news out. :P


A changed Ieyasu, huh....I've kinda got mixed feelings about that, but let's wait and see...I mean, if they changed him altogether he would also lose his weapons from SB2H....they were cool :/


So, Kobayashi says we get many new characters. Assuming his standard for "many" is the amount of new characters SB2 had (9, including new NPC and NPC turned characters) it looks like we could have quite a nice addition to the cast...


Matsunaga Hisahide, Ishida Mitsunari, Shima Sakon, Otani Yoshitsugu....

As far as Sekigahara is concerned, I can't come up with other "big" non-Tokugawa names...

Ukita Hideie and Kobayakawa Hideaki would suck IMHO....

I wonder if pre-1600 characters too will be implemented...?

If so, the options would grow exponentially...
Edited by Nine Demons Yoshitaka, Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:58 am.
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I'll just wait and see. Other than a changed Ieyasu, I wish there are more people for him. If he has changed, I suppose he'll stop being overly dependent on just Tadakatsu and start trusting his other people.

But I don't see any silhouettes?
Edited by ChrisX, Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:09 am.
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You have checked the main site, yes? After the skippable intro, the SB3 logo will come out, with two character silhouettes on its left and right sides.

You can see them more clearly here:


http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1225541_1124.html


Scroll down a bit, they're under the SB3 logo.
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A changed Ieyasu, huh....I've kinda got mixed feelings about that, but let's wait and see...I mean, if they changed him altogether he would also lose his weapons from SB2H....they were cool :/


It'd be an interesting, but to me, it might be for the best. Maybe with a re-design, he'd either get a different type of spear, or a different weapon altogether. Anything to make it so that he doesn't just rip off Toshie again. :hehe:

After all, even though Motonari lost that Baton he had in SB1, he got his hoop the next game. And I think he was much better off because of it.

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I wonder if pre-1600 characters too will be implemented...?

If so, the options would grow exponentially...


I'd like to think as such. Because even though it looks like Nobunaga and a number of the members of "the old crew" may not be as prominent any longer, there's no reason to toss 'em aside, much less possibly give them some nice additions.

For example, even in the cases of the Takeda and Uesugi, there could be more that could stand to be added.

On Takeda's side, I could see at least one other "Sanada Brave", such as Saizo, to give Sasuke a nice "friendly rival" (re: OBVIOUS yaoi pairing for the fangirls), or maybe even a surprise female addition, like Kosuke. If she turns out to "reprise" her role of "Yukimura's female kagemusha" (like in Samurai Deeper Kyo), that could be HILARIOUS, for the sake of the BASARA-verse! :XD

Then there's Kenshin's camp. I think it's pretty obvious Mr. Muteki is going to become legit next time, but why should he be alone? Part of me would like to see the adopted boys that Kenshin took in, Kagekatsu and Kagetora. Friendly rivals, or perhaps something much more hostile, as they vie for "father's" affections and try to prove their worth to the clan? Of course, history tells that Kagekatsu ended up being the "winner", but in the BASARA verse, anything goes! :hehe:


What I loved about the BASARA series is that they had a nice thing of pulling out some interesting personalities that may not have gotten any play in any other "history based" work of fiction. Hopefully, the third game will only continue that...

EDIT: Oh yeah, almost forgot. Mitsunari is one thing, but I would guess Hideyori would be at least some what necessary to have too, right? The son of Hideyoshi...if Hideyoshi was like Raoh, where does that leave Hideyori to be like, I wonder....Kenshiro? :hehe:
Edited by HokutoNoBen, Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:47 am.
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I hope you're right too....but doesn't it look like they're adding 3 chars per clan, tops?

The Oda are the only ones who have 4 chars, but Mitsuhide is a special case...

IMHO it'd be better to add people to the clans who lack manpower...there are still plenty of them, and they deserve it....Mouri, Shimazu, Chosokabe....maybe Honganji and Imagawa too....
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I hope you're right too....but doesn't it look like they're adding 3 chars per clan, tops?


Maybe? :hehe:

I mean, sure, we have a precedent, thanks to the last few games, but I'm guessing the more popular a group/person is, the more likely they'll get road dawgs to join 'em. And it can't be doubted that the Motos would probably be next in line to at least get one partner each, even though I find it hard for Basara's Motonari to value any one that greatly, beyond maybe one of his children.

Hell, like I just suggested, even adding in the likes of Hideyori for the sake of Hideyoshi's camp, and/or Gracia for Mitsuhide, would probably be on point. They could follow in line of their fathers, or (hopefully more so in Gracia's case), they could be something else entirely. I'd look forward to such things either way... :)
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and/or Gracia for Mitsuhide, would probably be on point. They could follow in line of their fathers, or (hopefully more so in Gracia's case)
That would be sick... but awesome I love the SB portrayal of Mitsuhide.
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I concur, Gracia would certainly be someone to look forward to....

Hideyori is intriguing as well, since I just can't imagine this Hideyoshi as a father....hmm.


The more I look at the "bulky" silhouette, the less I can picture it being Ieyasu....guess I'm too influenced by his current brattish image....that would be some radical change indeed.
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Hmm... regarding the console platform, I'm going to wait and see first.
If it comes out for the PS3, then I would pre-order it as soon as it appears on store.
If it comes out for the Wii, I would wait first until whether 'that girl' would be appearing in the game or not.

Of course a win-win solution would be making it available to both PS3 and Wii (if we don't count the extra costs needed by Capcom :hehe: )
(When you think about it, they could offer different features that way; the PS3 version will have improved graphics and the Wii version have motion sensor support)

...but I don't think they would consider releasing this for 360, even as a multi-console release. This series is very popular in the East but not so popular in the West, plus the 360 sales in Japan is very grim. <_<

[UPDATE]
Just found this link. Apparently Capcom is implementing this Aniface system for SB3, which means.....
http://ir.capcom.co.jp/news/html/090703.html
The mouths should be finally moving when talking now. w00t ^_^
Edited by BlackKite, Fri Jul 3, 2009 4:25 am.
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