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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
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HokutoNoBen
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Personally, I wouldn't mind Kagekatsu being added. But not at the expense of Kenshin.

Any way, yeah...this is a bit of a bite. But as I said in the other topic...this is just a part of a marketing campaign. That, or they just didn't "have the time" to craft every character in the new SB3 engine.

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Speaking of the 'new generation' reaction though, I've been wondering.... Was anyone here part of a fighting game community since before SF3 was out? I wonder what the fan reactions were when it's revealed that only Ryu and Ken returned in SF3.


It was MADNESS. MADNESS, I tell you! :hehe:

That was a major reason why the SF3 series, on the CPS3 did a lot to tank when it first came out. Classic characters were cut, and replaced with new ones that just didn't have the flair of their predecessors. And by the time updates added in Gouki (Akuma) and then Chun-li, it was largely "too late". And the fact that the Street Fighter Zero (Alpha) series was out at the SAME FRIGGIN TIME, on the much cheaper CPS2, didn't help. That was certainly "smart" marketing on Cappy's part. :hehe:

It'd be like something akin to say, if BASARA3 Wii was basically just a game that looked slightly better than the PS2 games, but STILL had all the original characters, while the PS3 version didn't, even if did look prettier. If that was the case, they literally would be sending the PS3 version "to die", in so many words.

But, as always is the case, people will find SOMETHING to complain about.

I mean, over in the SNK camp, things weren't much different, when it came to the likes Mark of the Wolves (latest entrant in the Fatal Fury line) and KOF99. Characters were cut and/or completely changed. It was not a happy time, prior to those games coming out either, though I think the SNK fans eventually opened their hearts to the newbies in each series more than the Capcom ones did. ^^;

Of course, even the SNK fans seem to have their threshold, as KOFXII has surely proven. Yeah....way to basically take the game engine back to the days of KOF95, and release a game that basically was sorely lacking, to the point that there's not even a FINAL BOSS to fight and struggle against!


For BASARA's sake, I REALLY hope that Capcom is thinking this through. I mean, some people were willing riot in the streets because Virgil wasn't going to be in DMC4. How much more so would be the case for some fairly iconic characters like Nobunaga himself...?
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Claus
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Wow, two pages ago, everyone was happy, and discussing Mogami.... now loook at us, all grim and whatnot...

hopefully tomorrow we get some good news that lightens the moods up...

The more i think of it, the less chance it seems that Kenshin and Hisahide will return.... It makes me sad
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HokutoNoBen
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Well....

Unfortunately, the general thing that's going about 2ch atm, is that there will be NO Famitsu leaks this week.

The guy who usually does such things is on vacation. So, unless he cancels or some one else rises up to the task...? We're not going to get anything in Famitsu leak form tonight.
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Claus
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Really? i didn't know that.... how sad....


Anyway, i can wait till TGS then :whistle: its not far way at all.
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HokutoNoBen
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Got the heads up from my dudes at NeoGAF.

Any way...it may be a thing that he's on "vacation", because of the unwritten rule that leaks should not beat to the punch what stuff is to be shown at the show. This type of thing has happened before.

And if so much is the case, again, then I understand.
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You know, if they're going to push this "Bas(t)ar(d)ized historical accuracy", I want them to do it seriously.

I'm fine with Motochika and Toshiie (the latter being pretty importan to the events leading to Sekigahara) and would more or less stand Motonari (although I hope for Terumoto and Kobayakawa Takakage), but no more "interferences"...

If they put in Kenshin (with Shingen gone, I'm sure it's a 0% though), Hisahide or Kennyo...THAT's gonna piss me off. Why cut Nagamasa then put in characters that have the same relevance as him?

(Sorry DK, I LOVE Hisahide and Nagamasa, but if they're going to sacrifice people...sacrifice them all, and for a GOOD reason, I say)


Well, I want to try to be more positive. Let's see what this "revolution" might really bring.



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Mogami Yoshiaki

Saika Magoichi


Possible:

The Tokugawa 4 guardian Gods

Kuroda father and son

Todo Takatora

Hosokawa Tadaoki (& Gracia? A good link to the defunct Mitsuhide)

Honda Masazumi

Torii Mototada

Maeda Toshinaga (unlikely...)


Kato Kiyomasa


(West)


Ukita Hideie

Ankokuji Ekei

Otani Yoshitsugu (semi-confirmed)

Other Shimazu officers (Toyohisa?)

Tachibana Muneshige

Oda Hidenobu (remainder of the fallen Oda clan?)

Kuki Yoshitaka (piratish fleet, representative of a now "empty" region, the Kanto)

Shima Sakon (quite possible)

Konishi Yukinaga (merchant-type, active in Kyushu)


These are just some names I picked up quickly, but I'm sure Kobayashi and co have also other people in mind (I'd never have thought of Magoichi...) so let's hope they surprise us, people...
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DarkDante
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One positive that may come of this decision is that it allows Kobayashi and co. to focus much more indepth on the Sekigahara conflict in full.

One of the biggest criticisms of Koei's SW2 is that it's too ambitious and tries too much: to span from Okehazama 1560 all the way to Osaka Castle in 1615, as a result everything feels rushed and poorly done. Several prominent characters (notably the early guys like Nobunaga, Kenshin and Shingen etc.) are virtually an after thought. Pretty much every Tokugawa officer shares exactly the same story and stages. Sekigahara, Kuzegawa and Odawara Castle seem to pop up as a stage for almost every single character.

Maybe Kobayashi wants to avoid something similar??
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Uh... sorry, but... IF Kenshin is gone, Kasuga will really not belong unless there's another Uesugi officer ('MUTEKI!!' perhaps? But I have a bad feeling that Capcom is going to make him the butt joke of Uesugi by staying as the generic overinflated-ego soldier)...

I'm also wondering what girl will make it.
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HokutoNoBen
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You know, if they're going to push this "Bas(t)ar(d)ized historical accuracy", I want them to do it seriously.

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These are just some names I picked up quickly, but I'm sure Kobayashi and co have also other people in mind (I'd never have thought of Magoichi...) so let's hope they surprise us, people...
And in the end, that's all we CAN do.

I mean, yes, again, I will humbly admit that the very notion of me having to basically say good-bye to characters that I feel like I just barely got to say "hello!" to is lame. I'll continue to hope for Hanbei and Hideyoshi until they're confirmed out. Til then... :sly:

But at the same time...maybe a fresh start can still stand to be a good thing, for this series.

For example...

...unless Capcom is lazy, there should REALLY be no excuse for recycled move lists. Especially the case, if even the likes of Masamune and Yukimura are going to get a reworking, and they don't seem to be ones that have changed as much as say, Ieyasu.


If they really did more to make this game from the ground up, including re-working every aspect of the BASARA game system, then I might be more lenient when it comes to older characters being "gone" (for now). New generation, new technology, new game play systems....likely not enough time to craft THAT many characters in one fell swoop.

So, for right now, yeah....let's try being positive, and see what Capcom has in store in all facets.
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Uh... sorry, but... IF Kenshin is gone, Kasuga will really not belong unless there's another Uesugi officer ('MUTEKI!!' perhaps? But I have a bad feeling that Capcom is going to make him the butt joke of Uesugi by staying as the generic overinflated-ego soldier)...

I'm also wondering what girl will make it.
The Uesugi will be in SB3 I have no doubt, they are too important not be. Especially more so now with Mogami Yoshiaki included, the northern battles of Sekigahara campaign are all but confirmed.
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Uh... sorry, but... IF Kenshin is gone, Kasuga will really not belong unless there's another Uesugi officer ('MUTEKI!!' perhaps? But I have a bad feeling that Capcom is going to make him the butt joke of Uesugi by staying as the generic overinflated-ego soldier)...

I'm also wondering what girl will make it.
The Uesugi will be in SB3 I have no doubt, they are too important not be. Especially more so now with Mogami Yoshiaki included, the northern battles of Sekigahara campaign are all but confirmed.
Agreed. This pretty much would do a lot to all but confirm Kagekatsu, as well, in my eyes. I wonder if his "brother" is a possibility as well, or will they just skip over him, and cut right to the chase with 'katsu being the heir.

Any way, about Kasuga. Let's look at it this way:

Assuming Kagekatsu is next in line to be the Uesugi camp's rep, then there still may be plenty of reason for Kasuga to hover around.

I mean, picture if you will, a scenario where Kenshin's time is up (it could be based on historical death, or some thing more dramatic for the sake of BASARA). In either case, Kenshin's death would more or less give rise to the notion of whether or not Kasuga will also be able to "move on", and find a reason for continuing to live. In her stories in BASARAs past, it was merely "for that man". Now she too, will have to go without her master.

I think that's perhaps going to be a running thing throughout the entirety of SB3. With a lot of the "old guard" gone, that basically means that a number of dudes who had masters are now trying to keep pressing on with them gone.

Yukimura (and Sasuke). Kasuga (and "MUTEKI!!!!"). Toshiie. Mitsunari. And I'm sure more will come out of the woodwork, in the shadows left over from Hideyoshi and Nobunaga.

Again, wouldn't surprise me if this became an overall trend throughout the storylines present in this game. Or more over, how each character chooses to respond to this "trend".
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I'm sure Kagekatsu and Kanetsugu will be in the game.... i can picture it already...

Kagekatsu tries to put on a bold face after the death of his father.... but still loses confidence, control, faoth, hope (depending on his personalitly of course) while Kasuga and Kanetsugu form a bond because they miss the man they loved so much
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From what I see, Kasuga without Kenshin might work, but only if someone like Kagekatsu or Kanetsugu is added.

So, non-Sekigahara characters will not make it to SB3? I guess I'll say goodbye to Mr. Oda then. Shingen, I don't really mind him, cause Yukimura need to change, but it is hard to me to not have Nobunaga.

But some characters added might cheer me up. It will be fun to see Maeda Toshinaga fighting along side his mother, the monk Ekei, and some characters. I also think Motonari will be in Sekigahara (despite the fact that he will be 103 years old if he ever set foot on the battle).
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Ishikawa Goemon
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I don't mind Nobunaga not returning in SB3, I like his overall portrayal in SW more. Although I must admit I will miss running around blasting enemies with his shotgun as they try to run away. :XD
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That's very unfortunate. I mean...the historical cuts I understand. But from a game design standpoint? Characters like Nagamasa, and Oichi only get one game to shine. And Matsunaga...c'mon...he wasn't even PLAYABLE. I would've expected the new characters from Heroes to return, as they're the characters who really need some fleshing out. I mean....Why throw them out?

I can only hope these new characters can live up to their predecessors. And I hope we get some entirely new movelists. From what's been revealed so far, design wise, it seems like Ieyasu and Mitsunari seem to take the place of Hideyoshi and Kenshin respectively...As they have the same/similar weapons, and probably similar fighting styles.
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Well, I can't imagine them being 100% composites though. Ieyasu doesn't look like the kinda guy who can do SPDs (Spinning Pile Drivers) and some of the other "rougher" grapple-style moves Hideyoshi can do.

And even Mitsunari seems to have a style that's just overtly different from Kenshin.

So, I'm thinking that they're showcasing that they're different, for a reason. Again, likely because those older characters and play-styles will return in a future update...
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I'm kind of upset about Hisahide not even getting the chance to be playable. He's still not even in SW.
When am I going to get the chance to play as that magnificent bastard? :angry:
Edited by Ishikawa Goemon, Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:41 am.
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Isn´t today the official release day for this week´s Famitsu?

No news yet?

Wow, never thought about it like that...even though Kenshin´s gone he still "lives on, a bit" in Mitsunari and there could be Kagekatsu or Kanetsugu(add him CAPCOM and stop the jokes, it´s no funny)

Again as I said, I´m not that mad or grim about it, as long as no NPCs are there and Hisahide is playalbe(c´mon he was supposed to be in SBBH...and he could be something like a great master schemer in this battle, raising Mitsunari´s anger and playing out the two sides to battle...afterall this game would lack a lot of villains...please just add him, sorry Makishima, but I **** at history or accuracy, BASARA wasn´t about it and should never be about it. He wasn´t playable in over two games, if that was their plan for him, then they shouldn´t have added him in the first place, damn)

TGS can´t come soon enough(or some bits of infos, after this slap to the face, that´ll heal up some wounds) -_-
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Thanks for the insights on SF3's first reaction. It's just like what I thought, the general initial reactions weren't good either.
And... just as expected, guess I'm the only one who's not too phased out on this shocking news. Well, maybe that's because most of my favorite SB characters are those who have high chance of returning. ^.^;; But I do have a bit disappointment and also worry on Hisahide as well though...

Speaking of which, yep, seems like there's no leak today because everyone over there seems to be enjoying their long holiday, plus there doesn't seem to be any early releases of Famitsu either today.
I'll check it again tomorrow.
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Nah, I'm in the same boat as you, BK. I don't mind a lot of cuts (in fact, a good handful of my favorites are in the definite cuts) as long as we get an a bunch of interesting brand new characters. Especially if we'll get the old guys back eventually. That just wreaks of prequel in my books, so I'm currently much more exited for SB3H/SB4 than SB3 :hehe:
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a quick question....

is new info about the new character to the side of TADAKATSU IN THE SCAN????
tthe one with Spheres??
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No, sadly not.

There are still only the rumors that this is Otani Yoshitsugu, though some small points allmost confirm it´s him.

I´m pretty sure though, we´ll see something at this week´s famitsu or at least at the TGS about him...only two days... :ph43r:
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argh....Thanks DK...the waiting is killing us......
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Maybe they will Kojiro since I never seen a Basara version of him
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DK, my man, I'm pissed as you are, but I just decided to let it slide (as much as I can...) and hope for the best. Now if the new characters aren't up to par...I'm gonna whip up a ****storm! (lol, exaggerating)


But hey, I 100% agree with you. Basara was awesome because it just took what it wanted from history, and changed it at will....that's why we have epic stories like Kojuro VS Hisahide, Hideyoshi/Nagamasa VS Nobunaga, Kotaro's assassination spree, etc etc...


I mean, what's Kobayashi thinking?

Yeah, this is Basara, but it'll be a little less "creative" in certain points. Ieyasu grows older (but only him! He said it in the interview.), and many characters disappear, because we got to 1600, ya dig? But Yukimura and Masamune are the same, because losing the bishiness loses us some fujoshi.


Just wait for the sequel! You'll buy it, right?



Sorry for the negativity, but that's the message that I received...


I'm hopeful for the new characters. But I'm still trying to recover from this blow.
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