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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,301 Views)
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Meh, I'm not too phased about the characters getting cut. I'm a little peeved, but as I stated in the "cutting characters" thread, I'll wait and see what Kobayashi is planning before I judge.

Infact, now that I've more or less got over the fact that the earlier characters are getting axed, I'm excited about the new generation and wonder who Capcom will bring to table. Not to say I won't miss the cut characters, though. My main concern is that how many stages Capcom decide to throw in. I mean, if the the main focus of the game is Sekigahara, I'm suspicious at what and how many stages we'll see. I'm hoping we'll get a decent amount.

This is SB3 after all. Capcom has stated they want to make it special as its the first "real" numbered entry in years. This gives me hope that Capcom aren't slacking on this game for quick money.

Any way, no scan today?
Thats right, have your little holiday scan provider while half this board is getting ready to commit suicide :hehe:
Edited by Manta Punk, Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:24 pm.
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*looks at MP´s post and throws away his Wakizashi*

Who would commit suicide because of something like that :D .... :ph43r:


:hehe:

Good, Makishima let it out. Give us all the hate you have, you´ll feel better after it(wanna know how other "hardcore" SB fans are feeling about this...talk about it, it helps a lot...I guess we need a BASARA therapy thread since first a lot of us are pissed off and second some may have a trauma since they fear the same fiasko as Street Fighter 3/Dynasty Warriors 6).

I know I´m kinda...well I AM ranting in every post about Matsunaga, but I guess you all know that I pratically looked forward to SB3 only to finally be able to play as Hisahide...that´s why as long as he isn´t confirmed I´m going to mention it :sad:

And as I said if he´s not in...I´m not even buying it(seriously :angry: )
I can´t take a third time without him...he´s just too badass :cool:

Well since it´s only two days till the, TGS the lack of scans is acceptable, since we had around one month of nothing -_-
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:55 pm.
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*looks at MP´s post and throws away his Wakizashi*

Who would commit suicide because of something like that :D .... :ph43r:

Hold out just a little longer DK. Your wounds will heal with the awesomeness of the TGS :sly: ... Hopefully :ph43r:

Lol at the BASARA theropy suggestion. I guess some people are really peeved. Although, I suppose many of this boards favourite characters belonged to the earlier period. Thank god Toshiie still has a decent enough chance. I've really grown attached to him.

And I know how you feel about Hisahide, DK. I remember when SB3 was first announced and you stated one of the reasons you would buy it would be if Hisahide was finally playable. I agree that the dude needs to playable aswell. Capcom can't just show us his awesomeness then take him away...

And I suppose no Famitsu leak is fate. I don't want the TGS to be spoiled after all. :ph43r:

EDIT: BK, I think you need to update the info post with the cutting of the earlier characters. Or are you waiting until Capcom comfirm which characters are getting chopped? :unsure:
Edited by Manta Punk, Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:54 pm.
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I've been checking back frequently on this particular thread ever since the game was announced and got super revved up at the fact that finally a new numbered BASARA game was in development. Then, just like DK, I got psyched at the prospect of playing as Hisahide (about time!).

After that it was like, 'Ooh yeah! It's on PS3 as well so I'll be able to play as my favs on all its graphical goodness'. Now mind you, I'm not a graphic-w**** but after playing BASARA on the PS2 for so long, these PS3 screens are a wonderous sight :lol:

And then that interview with Kobayashi was shown a few days ago.

Like a lot of you I was also pretty choked that a bunch of characters wouldn't be returning. After a few days of mulling it over however...

I'm still pretty choked. Remember on Arrested Development when Ann dumped George-Michael and he did that Charlie Brown depressed walk with the music going and everything? That's what I did after I read the interview ;). Just without music of course ahahahaha!

I read that list of probable returns BK came up with and the upside is that there's still a few of my favorites on there ^_^ .

Remember when it was stated that they were going to make Mitsunari "the fastest character in the game"? I read on here about the uncertainty of Kenshin's return, which sucks for my sister as she's the resident BASARA Kenshin user whereas she won't touch Koei's version as she deems him too slow :lol: . Now, if he doesn't return I guess it'll be real easy for Mitsunari to be the fastest guy around when the original 'speed-machine' is gone huh?
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:mellow:

Now that you mention it...I bet the CAPCOM people had the discussion:

Kobayash: "Mitsunari will beat Kenshin in speed, he´s the fastest now in SB, let´s say that in an interview!"
BASARA staff: "No way, Kenshin beats the crap out of him" "Yeah no way, screw Mitsunari" "Bishamonten allways wins" "He wouldn´t even see were he´s running with those hair" "Stuuuuuuupiiiiiid"
Kobayashi: "Well then I´ll just cut Kenshin :meantongue: , whaddaya say nao?"

Everyone goes :mellow:

"Well...okay...now...Mitsunari really is the fastest ...no objection"
Kobayashi:"Another problem solved :shifty: "

Just kidding, but now it´s really easy for him to be the fastest...though I was really looking forward to a Kenshin/Mitsunari duell...would´ve been awesome...or since nothing´s confirmed on Kenshin´s side...would be awesome. :sly:

*crosses fingers for Hisahide´s SB3 appearance in the TGS trailer, if we get one*
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:32 pm.
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That bit about the developers' conversation was awesome DK :XD


The time is at hand, people. Even if there aren't scans today, tomorrow the TGS starts. We'll start getting news from the journalists and such, at least...
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I wouldn't say this about any other missing character...But the absence of Kenshin is bittersweet.

Bitter in that he has quite significant presence in the game. It'll feel weird to play a Basara game without him.

However, Kenshin is the character my friend frequents in Versus mode, whenever I choose Kojuuro. And...I certainly won't be missing his Kenshin.

On a serious note. I'm still sort of peeved and alarmed by the absence of staple characters in SB3. But it seems like a good majority of them are coming back, particularly the ones I prefer to use: Kojuuro, Keiji, Matsu, possibly Kasuga - with the exception of Oichi. Only thing I hope for is Matsunaga to make his first playable appearance. But chances of that seem pretty low as it looks like Mitsunari fills his position as main villain of the game.

As for the new characters, I'm hoping this doesn't turn into Street Fighter 3. Rather, I'm hoping it ends up like Garou. Ieyasu and Mitsunari are cool, but it's pretty clear that they were meant to replace the characters Hideyoshi and Kenshin with their weapons. Obviously, their appeal comes from their ability to use them in different styles. I'm just hoping that we get some completely new designs, with weapons entirely new to the series.
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i assure you the absence of Kenshin is only bitter :hmmm: *points at Avi and title*

TGS starts tomorrow? I thout it started thursday? :huh:

Well, whenever it starts, i eagerly await the first bit of info :ph43r:
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After having a day or so to mull it over? Well, it still stings. The very THOUGHT that this will be a game where I will not hear one "ZEHI MO NASHI~!" or "MWAHAHAHAHA!!!" from Wakamoto-Nobunaga? Or Ranmaru ask for candies because he was a good boy and killed thousands of infidels? Or Nouhime just being so much of a gun-toting bad-ass? So many times...it hurts.

That said, I'm still trying to be largely positive. After all, those original characters are still slated to come back in a future release, and in the mean time, these new faces get a chance to shine. I've been called upon to do this same thing for the MANY fighting games I've played, so I might as well tackle BASARA 3 in the same instance. Hopefully...this will be more of a MOTW or Tekken 3 type of thing, and less SF3. :hehe:



On another note....now that we know for a fact that some people are cut...I wonder if that corresponds to what we saw months ago.

Remember those various dates, that we saw on the "Teaser" website, and how some of them had a lot of "Xs" over them? Maybe they were giving us a direct hint of those that were going to be gone in this release.

For example, if I remember correctly, there were like 4 Xs over 1582. That directly corresponds to Oda and his posse being rubbed out, along with Mitsuhide.

The other years posted were 1560, and 1573. Any body remember how many "x's" those years got? I mean, it should be obvious that 1573 alone spells the effective end of poor Nagamasa, just like Yoshimoto and 1560. But it might help narrow things down, I would think...
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IIRC, there was just one X on 1560 and 1573 (Lol, I remember it from the sound effects more than the visual) so that'd mean Yoshimoto and Nagamasa, like you said...

It's already wednesday in Japan, so...exactly 24 hours and 34 minutes from now the TGS will start. I don't know how fast we'll get info though...
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OH! Right! those nifty time zones, oh how they can come in handy :sly:
(well, not when you get jetlag)

SO, now i'm really excited! :D
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Well, for right now, I don't think we'll really get goodies of any sort until the event is open to the public. These "Press-only" days may be scarce for leaks (unless you're watching Sega... :hehe: )

Any way...I guess that which I referred to above already does a lot to confirm what we already know: 6 characters are already basically confirmed to be gone. It's almost a shame that they didn't list any other years, to help the process along.

Then again, considering Shingen and Kenshin both met their ends around the same time (Shingen at 1573, too, and Kenshin at 1578), maybe they just want us to "go with the obvious answers".

On that same note...would Nagamasa's impending demise also necessarily mean the end of Ichi, too (even though she technically could die later, with Katsuie)? And if so, would that possibly set the stage for her (most famous) daughter, Yodo-dono/ChaCha?

I mean, she would definitely be alive during all this, and she would serve as the last link to the old families of the Oda, Azai and Hideyoshi. Could be a compelling character to see "BASARA-ized", and even more, if her combined ancestry manifests in her moveset... ^__^
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That would be just awesome. After all, Kobayashi said that Nagamasa will indirectly return in other characters' speeches/thoughts/reflections...and who's the best candidate at this if not his own daughter?

It'd be cool if Chacha gave us hints at how the story really developed...the Azai's end is pretty clear, but her (and Oichi's) life with Katsuie and its premature end...being "married" to Hideyoshi, and the Toyotomi's defeat at Ieyasu's hands, etc etc...


Pretty intriguing! Nice idea, Ben!

With Oichi and Nouhime most probably gone, we need more people to fill those spots...Chacha and Gracia (IMO) are the best candidates...
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That would be just awesome. After all, Kobayashi said that Nagamasa will indirectly return in other characters' speeches/thoughts/reflections...and who's the best candidate at this if not his own daughter?

It'd be cool if Chacha gave us hints at how the story really developed...the Azai's end is pretty clear, but her (and Oichi's) life with Katsuie and its premature end...being "married" to Hideyoshi, and the Toyotomi's defeat at Ieyasu's hands, etc etc...


Pretty intriguing! Nice idea, Ben!

With Oichi and Nouhime most probably gone, we need more people to fill those spots...Chacha and Gracia (IMO) are the best candidates...
Thanks!

And yeah...for all that Chacha stands to have gone through, she probably could end even WORSE than Ichi. I mean, Ichi had to go through a lot herself, but Chacha had it even worse.

Though, what I think would be really insightful is that...even though she does carry the bloodline of Oda in her veins, and could fall to the darkness at any point...she wouldn't succumb to it.

Hell, she could demonstrate how she's not going to follow her Mom's example, and actually find a degree of resolve to keep her strongly rooted to reality. Maybe even use that Oda-style "Satsui no Hadou" to a better end. After all, if things work out that way, she'd be a Mom to Hideyoshi's sole heir, Hideyori. The very little boy who's arguably even more the center of this conflict than even Mitsunari is, and Ieyasu has good reason to see out of the picture. A mother protecting her son? THAT should be a source of strength, if nothing else. ^__^


As for Gracia? Well, who knows? Maybe if Xavi IS dead and gone too, by this time....maybe it'd be on her to carry on the fight to spread the "good news" to the Sengoku Jidai. 8D

After all, she WAS a Christian. But she may also be slightly loony, like her Pops. Match made in heaven! :hehe:

I mean, I could imagine her preaching about love, like Xavi, while also being able to have that same "aloof" behavior like Mitsuhide, and being able to read through people effectively. That'd be awesome in my eyes.
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I would like to see more a releastic approach towards the characters such as Mecha Tadakatsu.
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Ben's got some great ideas (as usual :P ) and I hadn't even considered characters like Chacha filling her mom's place and stuff. Great point! So the 'spirit' of some of the cut characters could still live on through new additions.

If they add Katsuie then Ichi might be lucky enough to survive through and be with him. That'd be wonderful for me and if she DOES make it then I personally hope the cool-down time between her moves is toned down. I mean, they somehow 'fit' her but when she's surrounded by a bunch of enemies and they're getting ready to attack her and you really wanna get her moving to get away or whatever but you gotta wait until she drags herself up using her naginata before you can actually do something <_< .

As far as stages go, I wonder how far back they'll start before they actually get into Sekigahara. By that I mean will there be an imaginary 'cut-off date' (so to speak) where a story would begin? It'll most likely differ character to character though as I'm sure not everyone was doing something important during one specific year.
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I highly doubt Katsuie being added when the main focal point is Sekigahara, although I do expect to get both Kiyomasa and Masanori which I look forward to.
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Oh well. Even if there's Famitsu this week, there's no SB3 info in it. Guess they're really keeping things secret until TGS. Smart move, Capcom.
I wonder when we'll start getting the TGS informations though. The talkshow should start on public days which are on weekend. And I wonder if anyone could explain about the details in the upcoming PV beforehand..
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Hmm, even though theres no Famitsu leak, do you reckon Capcom will still update the site tomorrow?

It would be interesting if they do. I wonder if they'll update it with the TGS info or if they just decide to skip the update so they don't spoil the public days.

Any way, great ideas about Chacha, Ben. I'm guessing some of the new characters will be connected to the axed ones. Because, as Kobayashi stated, the cut generals will be refered to in other generals stories, quotes and ect.
I'm also wondering how many Sekigahara generals Capcom decided to add. It'd be interesting if they throw in Kiyomasa and Masanori as someone above stated. They'd obviously give Mitsunari more story and I'd like to see Capcom's version of Kiyomasa compared to Koei's. :ph43r:
Edited by Manta Punk, Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:32 am.
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Uhm... Guess I'm not as into SB as I thought I was.

The announcement that 6 characters getting the axe made me blink at first, thinking it was a bad joke, blink some more when it was confirment and then was like: "I see... So they are taking out some characters to shift the focus to other characts? Fine by me. Let's see what they can make of it."

Might be because my favourite two - Yuki and Masa - aren't concerned, but seriously I'm curious if they can pull it off.

Even thought I do not understand that, if you have unique story lines in SB for each character, why the companies just can't shift the times for the characters to fit their means.

=> So e.g. You have all important characters participate in the Sekigahara-battle, but why can't Yukimura's story for example just start out with it and continue on with Oyakata kicking the bucket and having to struggle with the shift of responsibility in the game?

It would make great story, sequence or at least dialouge material.

Not sure if my point got across :\

Mah... But I'll definitly miss Nobunaga if the game ever comes out over here. *sighs*
If there isn't any easy-usable character like Noh or Katsuga around, I'll definitly keep the info about the game to myself thought. I'm not in the mood to listen to my sisters bitching again, just like with DW6 when her beloved Zhen Ji didn't have her flute ><
It's not like I'm responsible for those changes after all -.-

If I had that kind of power the games storylines would definitly be... a bit different.
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Well, other than marketing ploy (let's give a nice reason for people to buy SB3H/SB4) or development issues (they didn't have the time/money to recreate sprites for everyone), I wouldn't know...


But as BK said, this happens often in Capcom series, for some reason...


Breath of Fire utterly changed direction with the 5th installment (and then vanished)

Gyakuten Saiban changed 80% of the cast with the 4th game (even though Apollo and Trucy are carbon copies of attorney Phoenix and Maya...)

Rockman EXE changed "flair" when it turned into Ryuusei no Rockman

Devil May Cry 3, SF3....and many others I don't know, I guess...

Resident Evil became more of an action game too, but this might be thanks to hardware possibilities.


Anyway, I want to try believing into Kobayashi. Let's see what's his idea for "lots of new characters"....given the cuts, I expect no less than 7-8 additions, honestly...
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I'm wondering do you think Capcom will up the scale of the battles in SB3? Given the conflicts were much larger in the period they are focusing on now?

Normally in SB you have at most 2-3 PC's per side in most levels. I hope they throw this out the window for SB3 in big battles like Sekigahara and Osaka. I would love if Sekigahara was just one huge battle royale between the western and eastern forces with as many PC's as possible.
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character cuts....yay>.<

i'm pretty aware of those especially since mitsuhide and nobunaga died spectacularly all the time in all versions of SB so far(aside from SBBH),i bet they want to put those dudes to rest for a while and shower SB3 with some fresh faces because hey,there's always SB3H for the kiled character to return in their own gaiden stories.....

i pity the toyotomi dynamic duo and matsunaga's really early demise though,they've just appeared for two "true" SB games game(4 for hideyoshi and hanbei,counting SBX&SBBH) and matsunaga havent even been playable yet,now we wont see them for a while....

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Well even though I´m in the "R.I.P Hisahide faction :sad: "

Nothing´s confirmed. We´re not even sure if Shingen is dead(since as Ben said, the Xs should be a sign how many died at those specific years)

So there might be hope (except for Nobunaga, Noh, Ranmaru, Mitsuhide, Nagamasa who are now confirmed to be axed thanks to some infos and the Year+Xs theory)

I don´t want to turn everyone pessimistic now with my predictions that the Toyotomi duo, Kenshin, Shingen, Hisahide and some others are cut(though as we all have to admit there are a lot of signs for that and chances for them to be in are pretty low thanks to all that)

So let´s wait and see.

Chacha would be great(NJB female addition poll/thread? :sly: ) since she could be something like a dark hero of justice, she´d have the "Spiderman/Symbiote syndrom". Just like her mother, she posseses the Oda genes and the darkness in her tries to take over at some points, but she wants to fight the evil and use those dark powers for good and justice like her father. So Nagamasa and the hero for justice trait would live on, plus Oichi´s/Nobunaga´s traits would make a fine mix(maybe she could use both, light and darkness :OMG: )

Also if that´s the case, that a lot of "next generations are added", like ChaCha, Uesugi Kagekatsu, Mouri Terumoto or Takamoto, a son of Motochika or Nana(of course), Gracia(Mitsuhide would live on... :sad: )...so most of the characters that are added are without their parents/masters and it would be interesting to see how they turn out to be, if they have some traits of them and how they handle those facts/situations, etc.

Also it will be cool to see them all together (the axed characters and the new ones like ChaCha and Nagamasa the two heroes of justic combine, just imagine the cool dialogues :P and their changes, since, best example, Yukimura with Oyakata-sama is VEEERY different from the him we see now. )

So I´ve finally seen something positive in it, since SB3:H could turn out even more interesting and something to look forward to, if CAPCOM handles it right(adds all the cut characters, maybe some new ones and they had enough time then to give those characters a proper gaiden story, especially with all the new characters and thus story possibilities)

Also...does anyone remember Noh´s endings? :sly:
In both ending videos it was hinted that she was pregnant and that "Nobunaga would live on".
Maybe there´ll be some Oda around SB3 after all :ph43r:

STILL I WANT MATSUNAGA :(
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:34 pm.
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I don't mind Gracia joining the cast.She'll be great for one hell of a villain(since she's Mitsuhide's daughter).Kanetsugu would most probably be in,as well as Kotaro(since only Ujimasa is dead).Another ninja to join the cast will probably be great(HANZO!!!) and of course the Tokugawa will need loads more of officers to defeat the Toyotomi.

Some new character from the north?I believe in it 100%.(Spam my inbox if Im wrong :mellow: )
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