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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,338 Views)
HokutoNoBen
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MOVABLE LIPS!

Forget Gracia, Hideyori. Hell, **** even Mitsunari right now.

The BASARA series FINALLY has gotten the "innovation" it so needed the most! (huge lie) :XD
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Fri Jul 3, 2009 4:03 am
[UPDATE]
Just found this link. Apparently Capcom is implementing this Aniface system for SB3, which means.....
http://ir.capcom.co.jp/news/html/090703.html
The mouths should be finally moving when talking now. w00t ^_^
NUUUUUUUUUU

The motionless mouths will be sorely missed :(

And I'm grasping at straws here, but that leads me to believe this won't be a Wii game. They couldn't get away with motionless mouths on the PS3, whereas they've already proven otherwise for Wii :hehe:
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Fri Jul 3, 2009 5:37 am
BlackKite
Fri Jul 3, 2009 4:03 am
[UPDATE]
Just found this link. Apparently Capcom is implementing this Aniface system for SB3, which means.....
http://ir.capcom.co.jp/news/html/090703.html
The mouths should be finally moving when talking now. w00t ^_^
NUUUUUUUUUU

The motionless mouths will be sorely missed :(

And I'm grasping at straws here, but that leads me to believe this won't be a Wii game. They couldn't get away with motionless mouths on the PS3, whereas they've already proven otherwise for Wii :hehe:
Ah, I see what you did there. Yeah, I'm hoping PS3 as well. I'd really like to see it in HD. Plus, it's easier to import.
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Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:20 pm
Translation of Kobyashi's blog
 
Kobayashi thinks that the involvement in PS2 should be ended with SBX.


- http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/single/?p=685551&t=255731

If Kobyashi ain't lying from last year (or otherwise changed his mind), it looks like SBX will be the last the PS2 will see of BASARA, with HEROES being the last "proper" game.

Wherever BASARA3 ends up, it looks like PS2 won't be a part of this party this time around...end of an era.... :sad: , in a way...

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I know Capcom hasn't announced the console yet,but I was hoping for it to released on the PS3,not just as I have one,but as I would love to see BASARA 'Step up' its style in beautiful HD.


Meh. Even as a PS3 owner, so far, I've not been impressed by this HD era this much.

DW6. Devil May Cry 4. Resident Evil 5. All of these games were HD upgrades of their PS2 predecessors, but beyond that, they disappointed me. In many ways, each HD-ready sequel left much to be desired, compared to their PS2 progenitor.

So, I say, put it on PS3, ONLY if it's such that it's best for the game. And by that, I mean as far as gameplay goes, above all else. Otherwise, don't make it HD, just for the sake of HD. I really don't want another disappointment to happen to my new fave series from Capcom, and I'd like to think that they at least took a cue from Koei's example on how to NOT do a sequel to their own historical-based stylish action game. :hehe:

But in any case, again, I doubt that they'll make SB3 an HD title. This is a series that, fundamentally, was one built on a "budget", marketed mainly/ONLY in Japan (by the later games), and it stands to reason that one of the BIGGEST innovations they could introduce for SB3 will be....FINALLY...moving mouths. :hehe:

It's almost like the whole "Kunio-Kun (River City Ransom and etc) vs. Double Dragon" thing that Technos had years ago, where SB = Kunio and something like DMC = Double Dragon. ^^;
Aye,thats a shame about the PS2.
I've never seen that article so you would understand why I thought a PS2 port would be possible if they took the Wii route :blush:

And as for the whole PS3 issue,I totally agree on this gen's games.
I've been dissapointed by many.
Dynasty Warriors 6 and Soul Calibur 4 come to mind.I mean Dynasty Warriors 6 cut characters and stages!You'd think on a console with much greater power than its predeccesor,Koei would ADD characters and stages.
And again with Soul Calibur,there was so little to do in it.The story mode was bland and we only got 2 new characters who weren't clones of existing ones :/

The only PS3 game I have been pleased by so far is Little big planet.

But yeah,the new 'Moving mouths' thing is great.My friend,who also plays on BASARA, used to bash the fact that mouths wouldn't move...
I guess he's going to be happy :hehe:
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Fri Jul 3, 2009 9:43 am
And as for the whole PS3 issue,I totally agree on this gen's games.
I've been dissapointed by many.
Dynasty Warriors 6 and Soul Calibur 4 come to mind.I mean Dynasty Warriors 6 cut characters and stages!You'd think on a console with much greater power than its predeccesor,Koei would ADD characters and stages.
And again with Soul Calibur,there was so little to do in it.The story mode was bland and we only got 2 new characters who weren't clones of existing ones :/
While I agree that I've had a few disappointing current gen games, it hasn't been any different with the Wii. In fact, the majority of my Wii collection is far worse than my PS3 collection. Dunno about you guys.

I think it's just that we end up expecting more from PS3 games because the console is more powerful. In fact, characters were cut precisely because the system is more powerful. Unfortunately, due dates are due dates and when you have 40-something characters to recreate in HD and every old system to recreate for the new PS3 architecture, things can get a little hairy. I fully expect the sequels (DMC5, SCV, DW7, etc.) to be much more fleshed out than their predecessors since a decent chunk of the work is done for them.

That said, the main reason I want SB3 on PS3 is the sheer potential. At the very least, down the road. The series only has so far that it can go on Wii. If it's on PS3, then by SB3H or SB4, the series should really, truly have some amazing content. Thanks just my two cents though
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So I'm anxious to see what they will do with some of the returning characers... Ieyasu should be all grown up now, what about Hondam? Maybe he got a new "upgrade" Transformers style lol.
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Raiga Kagekami
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Maybe...Hondam isn't a robot anymore.Maybe he can now talk(yes,with moving mouth lol) and now in his...human form....no wait that should be his new Alt. Costume O.o
Edited by Raiga Kagekami, Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:54 pm.
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Raiga Kagekami
Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:53 pm
Maybe...Hondam isn't a robot anymore.Maybe he can now talk(yes,with moving mouth lol) and now in his...human form....no wait that should be his new Alt. Costume O.o
Nah, that would be impossible. The fact that Tadakatsu is robot-like is his point of charm here. If they are no longer making him like that, he would lose all the charm he got so far. -_-
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Yeah,I hope they don't radically change characters.
I can understand if Capcom decided to 'Man-up' Ieyasu,as Sekigahara will play a major role in the game,but it'd be pretty odd if they changed any other characters.

Anyway,when is the TGS?
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If they really want nice sales they'll just make SB3 for the PS3 and maybe 360 and make a slightly toned down version for the Wii and it's done. SB might have been good for sales for Wii when Heroes came out, but lately the Wii has been enjoying the old age, family and kid groups alot more than the kind of gamer who would buy SB. Just like SM3, it would be a dumbass move to only release it on Wii, since those games don't really belong there anyway.

Hondam should stay Hondam. Ieyasu should grow up though, he wasn't fit to be the leader of the eastern army in the past games, Mitsunari would wipe the floor with him.
Edited by Veganto, Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:31 pm.
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Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:16 pm
Anyway,when is the TGS?
This year's TGS will take place on 24-27 September. Public days will start on the 26th though. :)

...well, considering that, we should probably get a bit of info known already beforehand.
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Here is a current interesting News about the new announced game "Sengoku Basara 3" (aka "Devil Kings 3") :

Capcom Brings High Tech Facial Animation to Sengoku Basara 3
Company teaming with Kyoto-based ATR for AniFace animation system

Here are the info and details:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/07/03/sengoku_basara_3_faces/






Edited by Andreas-andi, Fri Jul 3, 2009 5:17 pm.
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I don't know for how many times for god sake,Devil Kings IS NOT THE SAME AS Sengoku Basara.People have to GET IT.C'Mon,I knew this game when I WAS 12 and I knew what WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEVIL KINGS AND SENGOKU BASARA...so people,SB3 is not a.k.a DK3.Perhaps NEVER. :unsure: (Was that harsh? :huh: )

If Hondam is going to stay as Hondam,I don't mind another robot in Ieyasu's army...they need to fill up the gaps in forces and add up Matsunaga,Mitsunari,Kanetsugu,Kojiro,someone else in Ieyasu's force and...more of the historical characters.Hopefully there aren't any fictional characters.I have never thought that fictional characters are useful to me...Kasuga may be useful.I don't know..Just if Capcom wanna add fictional characters,better just add 1 or 2.
Edited by Raiga Kagekami, Fri Jul 3, 2009 3:20 pm.
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Wow,first game in the world to use "ATR"...?
That must be an honour :D
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Raiga Kagekami
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Is the article telling us that they started developing SB3 around May 2008?That's quite a long duration till 2010..Oh well,who said making games were easy?(Don't even think about 2D game creator software)
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It was about time for a new SB title.
I hope this is on ps3 though cause if it's on wii, we'll probably see minor differences from previous titles.
2010 is not that far...or is it ;p
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...Amazon sent me an E-mail that I´ll get Blaz Blue around 8th July...means one week later...

And now a 2010 release date for Sengoku Basara 3 without any further information untill the Tokyo Game Show 2009 in late September...

So much to my happy cuppy cake week -_-

Oh well, at least Blaz Blue comes and I still get the special edition and the site truly turned out to be SB3. :OMG: .....what a surprise.

What do I have to say about it?

As one of the most dedicated SB fans...

:mellow:

I...don´t...know?

I expected to be like "YES OMG FINALLY"...but I kinda knew it was SB3...okay it was really obvious it had to be some SB related game...and I knew it was just going to TEASE us. A TEASER site.

So no surprise here.

And for the two characters?

Their shadows don´t look too promising. One looks like Sun Wukong and the other like Cao Pi.

I´m sorry that I "rant" at such a moment, I´m glad that there´s SB3 finally announced...but that didn´t really hype me.

Meh. Maybe it´s the fact that I´ll have to wait so long... :hmmm:

I´ll wait for the first trailer after 2 years...shown at the TGS on 24th Septemper...83 days from now on...yay...wooh....hooo...

P.S.:

Some IGN news...titled: no onimusha for you

http://psp.ign.com/articles/100/1000747p1.html
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Thank God it's finally out in the open now!

Personally, I'd say the dates have to do with new characters or events that took place.

BK mentioned Mitsunari and Kanetsugu were born in this year...hint hint. That could very well be who the two shadows are for all we know. They were both always popular on the wishlists anyway.

Either way, I'm just VERY VERY VERY excited!
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i think the one on the left is hideyori, he just resembles Hideyoshi, he looks like a kid version of him, plus, he has similar weapons, but the one on the right may seem like Mitsunari but i think its Kanetsugu, again, his design resembles Kenshin, and i just get this Uesugi vibe from him, but it might still ne Mitsunari.
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C'mon, Devilsking!! What happened to you? You always seemed the most passionate SB fan here at KW!

What turned down your enthusiasm so much? For the first time in a long ass while, we're going to see lots of new characters, stages and (maybe) gameplay elements...

Hmm...maybe getting excited with this little info is the mark of a fanboy :P

But still, I'm hopeful...the leap between SB1 and SB2 was considerable, so if SB3 will offer that much change...it'll be a blast...
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If they really want nice sales they'll just make SB3 for the PS3 and maybe 360 and make a slightly toned down version for the Wii and it's done.


Respectfully disagree.

First of all, there's no real reason for them to push the series on THAT many platforms. Among other things, it's likely going to be a Japan-only affair once more, unless Capcom really wants to give the series another try outside of Japan. But otherwise, that's a whole lot of extra development, and more importantly, extra costs, for a game that may only see release in one territory.

That said, I would only expect one console, as the main means to showcase the series. Two, if they really want to surprise me. Even at the series' best back on the PS2 (SB2 and Heroes), it never broke beyond 400,000 units. Why spread that number across so many consoles, and probably do more to spread the series out "too thinly" for its own good?

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SB might have been good for sales for Wii when Heroes came out, but lately the Wii has been enjoying the old age, family and kid groups alot more than the kind of gamer who would buy SB. Just like SM3, it would be a dumbass move to only release it on Wii, since those games don't really belong there anyway.


Obviously, though, at least Capcom has other ideas in mind, since we have Monster Hunter Tri to look forward to next month, in Japan. That's already one thing to take into consideration. If they're willing to take a chance with what is, undeniably, their single most important IP on the Wii, then really, what's not to think BASARA won't, logically, follow suit? At least do something to let the games and their possible audience do more to prove if they truly "belong" there or not.

Furthermore, SB is probably one of the most "family-friendly" franchises Capcom has at the moment (or at least, certainly is the case for Japan)

Sengoku BASARA is, among other things:
* Flashy
* Easy to get into/Highly accessible
* Is based on Japanese history (which plays RIGHT INTO Japan's high amounts of national pride)
* Has a little something for everyone, to the "shounen" age kid, to the hardcore otaku, and even the yaoi-crazed fangirl

These are the things that have done the most to make BASARA the rising star it is in the Capcom pantheon. Hell, the fangirls make up a GREAT deal of the total BASARA fanbase. Don't believe that? Find videos of the first few loke tests for SBX two or so years ago. It was the FANGIRLS who outnumbered the "legit" arcade goers who were interested in trying the game. :hehe:

So, the sad thing is, if you put it on the PS3, you might do a lot to take away from that dynamic (or at least, keep the game out of the hands of the fangirls who would want to play it). In Japan, everybody and their brother has/had a PS2. And likewise, pretty much everybody has at LEAST a Wii in their household, if no other current-gen console. The same can't be said for either HD console, as of yet. So, it should go without saying that, if Capcom wants to try and do the damn thing, and make sure that as many people can get to play the game as possible, they'll likely release on the console that the highest concentration of the possible fanbase stands to own.

Then there's the notion of the other aspect the BASARA series represents. Part of the beauty of the series, at least in Capcom's eyes, is that, for as "cost-effective" as it has been, to make and release the last few games in the series, they've got a good sized return for their labor (except for SBX <_<). And of course, merchandising does more to help them make even more money off the franchise. That does a lot to keep the series "healthy", even though no game in the series has broke the 500,000 units sold milestone, thus far.

So, do I really see a series that was fundamentally constructed on a "budget", AND has yet to break 500k for a single entrant...all of a sudden making the jump to the HD bandwagon? To me, the answer is "No".

And if nothing else, keeping the franchise on a low-end console like the Wii does a lot to keep it in a reasonable neighborhood, so that they can also release games on the PSP (just like what they plan to do with Monster Hunter).

Like it or "hated it", SBBH sold quite well, and they're definitely NOT going to put a stop to that possible gravy train, now that they know BASARA can sell on the PSP, as well.


Do I profess to know everything? Of course not. But after getting a bit "burned", when Capcom moved MH3 to the Wii (after it was initially announced for the PS3), it had done a lot to "lower" my overall expectations in the company, as if DMC4 and RE5 haven't been doing a good job of that, lately. I mean, I still relatively enjoy their wares, it's just that my old days of "GET HYPE" have been slightly tempered in recent years.

Plus, as I've listed above, there are a good number of things to take note of, and what I think are telling signs for what kind of plans Capcom probably has in mind.

With that much said, I'm not going to continue this line of talk any longer. (Or at least, not until the console(s) are announced, where I will either [happily] eat crow, or basically go "Damn, I hate being right". :hehe:) It brings me down more than I would care to, especially when it comes to BASARA, which is probably right up there with traditional Rockman in being the franchise I most look forward to from Capcom. So, this should be a happy time, right?!

*takes his "armchair analyst" suit off, and "PUTS HIS GUNS ON!"*

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But still, I'm hopeful...the leap between SB1 and SB2 was considerable, so if SB3 will offer that much change...it'll be a blast...


And this is, really, what I hope for most.

For us to be kept waiting for 3 years since the last "real" game, they really should be set to blow us away, no matter where the game lands.

So, c'mon, Kobyashi...we've been good. I even liked SBBH! :hehe:
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I don't mind Capcom releasing another "EP" other than Heroes.I'd really love to have SBX turned into 3D...
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Ben, your analysis is scaring me :(


That really is a flawless argument.....it's not fair :(

Only thing I can say, is that Basara doesn't have as many sales as MH, despite its obvious popularity....let's hope Capcom doesn't bet it all on the fangirls....

I wouldn't mind a Wii, but the PS3 looks more appetizing...globally speaking.
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Fri Jul 3, 2009 3:13 pm
I don't know for how many times for god sake,Devil Kings IS NOT THE SAME AS Sengoku Basara.People have to GET IT.C'Mon,I knew this game when I WAS 12 and I knew what WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEVIL KINGS AND SENGOKU BASARA...so people,SB3 is not a.k.a DK3.Perhaps NEVER. :unsure: (Was that harsh? :huh: )
I don't think it needed this harsh of a response, though I will say one thing about Devil Kings. Using things like the Takeda crest prominently in cutscenes while pretending the game wasn't based on Japanese history felt like Capcom had a really, really low opinion of the average player's intelligence. Other than that, it was a pretty alright game if not for the jacked up difficulty.

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That said, I would only expect one console, as the main means to showcase the series. Two, if they really want to surprise me. Even at the series' best back on the PS2 (SB2 and Heroes), it never broke beyond 400,000 units. Why spread that number across so many consoles, and probably do more to spread the series out "too thinly" for its own good?


I don't know about this. Considering the BASARA craze at the moment, I feel that getting a broad fanbase that reaches over many consoles wouldn't be such a bad decision. If there's anything that would cause low sales, it'd be the rut the global economy's suffering at the mo, though that's a separate issue entirely.

Well, just so long as that one console (or lucky pair of consoles) has/includes the PS3. <3 Region-free.

... Though it'll more likely end up being on the Wii (and maybe the 360). This point I'll unhappily concede.
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This Year the PS3 is outselling the Wii finally in Japan............well for a few months it did. But lets just say its doing a TON better.

There is no reason why they couldnt do this on PS3. Wii is ready to die down. Nintendo even said they are ready to release there next console soon. So lets hope capcom doesnt waste it efforts.

And I really wanna use a controller not have it made into the garbage like SW:katana
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