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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:02 pm Post #1451 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Well Makishima....I have to fully agree with you. Now that I think about it, that some characters are dead and some are alive, though it would make more sense to not see them return(for example if Shingenīs alive and Kenshinīs dead...why that? Shingen died before Kenshin and both of them were long gone before Sekigahara. So why cut one, but keep the other? )As for the updates, this feels like a good movie, with a lot of advertisings. You know, on the point were you just canīt wait to see whatīll happen next, thereīs a break. But the problem is, if that happens too often, some may just zap away to another programm and stay there. I know Iīll buy it cause Iīm a fan. One that stumpled once on SB3 or Sengoku BASARA Samurai Heroes when it was announced and then after one month, didnīt hear anything about it, will probably have allready forgotten about it. Way to keep the attention Kobayashi. And way to upset your fans. Itīs like you donīt want the game to sell.
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| Jonathan Joestar | Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:07 pm Post #1452 |
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i think this it's a good point....bringin new characters for the sekigahara......but cut others becouse they weren't in there...and then POUF** Motonari Magicaly appears.... I't sure sound very "HISTORYCAL ACCURACY"... i don't get what it's happening in BASARA 3... 2 History ACTS woul be really cool, One of them focused in Toyotomi V/S Tokugawa and the other in Sekigara...was that HArd to do??? Why i have to see the battle of Hydeyoshi and Ieyasu in a CInema??? And we allways want new characters, of course they get the attention they deserve...but no doing this type of thing...trowing things to the air....you are treating the fans like they Don't Care...
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| Manta Punk | Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:27 pm Post #1453 |
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LOL, so much negativity. You guys should join Mitsunari's crew ![]() I have to agree with DK though. A guy whos never played BASARA, and heard about it when it was announced, has probably forgotten about it. I'm not bothered when we'll next get info and like Hondam stated, It doesn't matter as I know the final out come will be sweet. But the long droughts isn't a very good way to garner new fans. And on the whole Motonari issue, I admit its pretty crazy, but the guy has tons of fans and kicking him out would in no way help thier sales. Though, I do feel sorry for all the Oda fans. Watching thier favourites get axed because they weren't present at Sekigahara, yet seeing the likes of Motonari make it in must be pretty rough... |
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| Eni | Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:41 pm Post #1454 |
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KOBAYASHIIIIIII Now now, i can't believe im so hyped about a game im not going to get. Indeed, as long as the final product ends up being epic, they can take their time if you ask me. And at least there might be some Oichi. Aaand Miyazaki down there Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Claus | Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:46 pm Post #1455 |
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PRAISE HIS LIGHT! But really, we just have to wait, and i hate it just as much as everyone else, but to get all the info that will set us at peace will take lots of time. Hopefully by march we will know everything And about the cutting characters, I'm pretty upset about the Oda getting the axe, Mitsuhide and Ranmaru were some of my favorite characters, it hurts to see them go (it will be even worse if they confirm Kenshin cut, he can't be gone! HE CAN'T! ) I liked Nobunaga and Nouhime aswell, it sucks that they are cut, and being a fan i will hold on to any ray of hope i can.@Eni: if you're so excited, why don't you just get it
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| The Outsider | Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:13 pm Post #1456 |
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Wow, never knew that, thanks a lot .So, what's so good about Nana? She do anything spesh with her life? |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:14 pm Post #1457 |
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Eyes of the devil, smile of a winner
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Kobayashi...Kobayashi...KOBAYASHIIIIIIII!!! Heh, Iīve done it again. Hop on the train of negativity and burn down this stupid way of trying to hype a game. It really seems, just because they sold some games and the anime went well, that Kobayashi can now lay back and earn some money, without caring much for the waiting fans. If you really think that way, Mr. Kay, then youīll get a nice bill at the end. But hey, itīs just me and my pessimistic thinking. They may try to find the right way to give us future updates or itīs some kind of plan to increase the updates conent the more we come near the BASARA 3 release date. The thing that pisses me of most is that they announce craploads of things, without really explaining them. We still donīt have a release date. We still donīt know how the story really works out. We still donīt know how many characters are cut and we still donīt know a damn thing about anything. We just know that Tadakatsu is Tadakatsu, with no one sitting inside of him. There were so many big events were he couldīve explained some things, but instead he gives us something like: Those 6 characters are dead and Mitsunariīs story begins with Hideyoshiīs death. Well...then the characters who wonīt return arenīt just Yoshimoto, Nobunaga, Ranmaru, Noh, Nagamasa and Mitsuhide. If you said that characters who die in the story are dead, then itīs probably not just those six who wonīt return. Just say it damn it. Donīt just give us some random screenshots and four characters every two months. If you have more characters than ever to reveal and the game will come out March, as will the second season of the anime, probably...then what are you waiting for? Next year at that time, games like God of War III, Final Fantasy XIII, BioShock 2, Dead Rising 2, No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle, Sin and Punishment 2, Red Steel 2 and many more will come out or are out. If you really want to compete with those games especially outside of Japan, you should really start to learn how to advertise a game. Not shortly before the release, itīs ALLWAYS. Since as I said, people may be interested in the game when it was announced...but if between the announcement and the release nothing happens...why should they stay interested? Would you watch a TV show to the end, that has a great opening but the following episodes till then are just...meh? Even hardcore fans are getting bored and turn their backs on it. If they keep this marketing strategy, especially for SB:Samurai Heroes, then my bet is, itīll be the next Devil Kings...just with another name. |
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| ChibiGingi | Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:26 pm Post #1458 |
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Please... don't even joke about Devil Kings... I can't suffer through that again. Koei and Kobayashi let me down, ultimately, this week. Otani is cool, though, so at least he didn't just reveal characters that we pretty much already KNEW how they'd look for awhile now. Dammit Koei. |
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| HokutoNoBen | Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:48 pm Post #1459 |
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I dunno. Part of me wonders if the reason Kobyashi is doing things in this type of erratic pattern, is due to the fact of Hokuto Musou. It can't be denied. Good portions of the internet imploded, on different sides of the pond, when Kenshiro and Raoh made their appearance. Now we've even got Koei being fairly confident, such that they believe they can sell 1 million units of the game outright, and already announced plans to release the game world wide. I don't think it makes Kobyashi any less of a man to be possibly quite intimidated by Kenshiro's manly presence. In fact, that's probably a healthy response, all things considered. ![]() So, it's my opinion that, Kobyashi is probably struggling a bit to keep BASARA 3 from getting outright overshadowed by the light emanating from the Big Dipper constellation. This is probably THE worst thing to happen for SB3, right now. The game is going to be put out on the market after SenMu3, only to then have to contend with Kenshiro around the same time. This wouldn't spell good fortune for the Japanese sales, but it would also do a lot to hurt any possible American prospects. After all, if it came down to it, who would be more likely to sell in the States? Kenshiro, who has a good-sized underground following, and at least has the violence factor to cater to the ever-bloodthirsty American masses, or BASARA, which, to most, will just seem like a "Me Too Samurai Warriors"? Again, this is what I think is probably THE biggest problem Kobyashi now has to deal with. So it's all he can do to probably try and play it cool, and put these updates out in a strange fashion, while trying to figure out the best move to play next. |
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:38 pm Post #1460 |
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Well, Ben, that could be. But then he should be more afraid of FFXIII and more than anything God of War III since itīll come out around March 2010. But thanks to that, the PS3 sale numbers will start to grow faster than a piece of bamboo(thinks back at the MGS4 release) Since now a lot of people consider buying a PS3 around Christmas till March 2010 thanks to the price cut and the big name releases, he would do more than well, to give them some SB3 goodness along the way. For example I stumbled upon Prototype when I heard of the announcement of Infamous. And that continued. They allways released some infos and trailers about the game, just to keep me interested and when I heard that both of them come out around the same time...well...I bought both. So if new players are out to buy a PS3 and look what comes out in 2010 or have allready followed the track of SB3 thanks to the TGS, they might consider buy it along the big name titles. Then count in all the old fans of SB, some fans who only played DK, those who have a Wii and look for a fun game that lasts longer than 4 minigame hours and those who watched the anime and now have taken interest in it. The thing is, a "mere bystander" wonīt just keep pressing the F5 button to refresh the SB3 site for around 6 weeks till he gets something new. He might look at the site for two weeks, than wonder why there are still the same characters as before and just 10 screenshots with the blinking red words NEW over them If I werenīt a SB maniac, Iīd stopped looking at the site after the first voice update and seeing that there are still three weeks with that joke of an update. Iīd have looked out for news on games like FFXIII, GoWIII, Bioshock 2, Borderland, Assasains Creed 2, Red Steel 2, No more Heroes 2, Mario Galaxy 2, The last Guardian, Dead Rising 2, etc...and with all those great games in my mind...how would I remember a game with a site that weekly updates with 10 screenshots and some character shouting some stuff or mechanical grunts? Again, nothing I will say, will stop me from buying SB3, I just know it(okay...the Hisahide thing...I donīt think itīll happen...but that would be a reason for me) I wouldnīt rely too much on my former success, Kobayashi. Yoshimoto did the same and lost his head. He might lose his head against Hokuto Musou and the other tiltes I mentioned. Not to mention the NA release with that kind of marketing. As Iīve said before, itīd be a 100% DK flop and would be overshadowed by, again, GoWIII, let alone all the other big name titles. Maybe even by their own game Dead Rising 2 EDIT: Playing cool is fine, but again a example of the past, it seems to turn out into an "Odawara conference". If he thinks heīs the second Ieyasu and trys to seize the perfect moment...so be it. I hope itīs not at the cost of the NA release of SB.
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:03 am Post #1461 |
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*wraps self in bandages and plans how to disappoint Kobayashi's expectations in games he's looking forward to* "The pain I've always felt...shall swell and engulf all sentient beings...!!" (Hey, I tried...) Advertising is surely an issue, but as a hardcore fan (someone who will buy the game even if they stopped updating it until next year) I don't really care...I'd prefer for them to put more effort in the game itself than advertising via other media (shirts, etc). About Hokuto Musou: Wasn't it a "surprise" announcement at TGS? Or did we know something about it even before? Anyway, It's good for it to spur Kobayashi. Let's have his fat ass trembling, for a change... |
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| wodash | Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:25 am Post #1462 |
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well,akum~err HnB's guess really made sense,and that KOEI is pretty confident they can bash SB3 out in sales(although with a completely different game,SW3 just doesnt cut it anymore,they lose outright when SB3 shows people their gameplay vid,not even ujiyasu and (LOL)hanbei can up SW3's popularity now) lets face it,HnK is a long running franchise,the amount of people that recognize and idolize it overwhelms the SB community world wide,which affects the game sales as well,so it makes sense that kobayashi :ph43r:s it i'm the same with maki there though,if only i had either PS3 or wii i will get SB3 anyway even if there's no update,no US version,and the gameplay was copy pasted from SBBH>.<,the problem is:i dont have one yet and HnK just tipped my interest into PS3 a wee bit more(although Wii still have their values too,mainly MH games and Climax Heroes W),so i'm still in a limbo which one to purchase in the far future>.< so i will patiently wait,as ieyasu said,one step at a time!,no need to rush!,turtle powah!,and here's my boomstick!>.< as for the upcoming hondam voice gallery prediction:*Bweeeeeen.......brubrubrubrubrubrubrub!!!!*
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| HokutoNoBen | Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:12 am Post #1463 |
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Far as I know it was a surprise at TGS. Or at least, it certainly was for the general public. Wouldn't be surprised if industry pundits and others in the know had inside tips, however. So if that's true, it's very likely Kobyashi probably already knew what his REAL competition stood to be. Rest assured, I'll be buying both games. But at this point, I do worry for the sake of SB3. Because again, I'm of the opinion that between a lackluster advertising campaign, and steep competition (to say the least, certainly Hokuto Musou, which is vying for the same audience), Masamune and pals could have very trying times ahead. |
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| Hondam | Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:25 am Post #1464 |
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I dunno about that...Maybe it's just me, but I really don't think Kobayashi/Basara team is somehow scared (and subsequently basing SB3's info release on it) of the new musou game. To be frank, they really have nothing to do with eachother. I think maybe we're looking into things too much? It's way too early to start bashing and making assumptions about what Kobayashi and his team are doing. The only thing that could inhibit and alter the decisions the basara team makes would be SM3, which clearly isnt really doing much, and other Capcom games. I say just wait it out and try to stop with all the negativity. Like I already said, it's waaaay too early to try and be predicting update patterns and when we'll get our next info. They haven't followed any guidelines yet and even if they had been, us here at KW sure as hell won't know them. |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:01 am Post #1465 |
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But...but...Kobayashi was a comrade of mine!! Yet when he defeated his nemesis, he started messing around in my territory all of a sudden!! He must be punished >:O I'm allying myself with Basara's #1 Hideyoshi fanboy and the man with history's flimsiest reason to wreak havoc!! Ph34r! /BS over Anyway, I hope we can get some other gameplay vids while we wait for the 5th of november...it's a way to give us new stuff without really spoiling anything, right...? Well except new stages, I guess....but we need those, we only know of Mikatagahara (I guess...?), Ueda castle and Itsukushima... |
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| DarkDante | Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:41 am Post #1466 |
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Guys your fears are fully justified let me give you an example of what happened on the gametrailers boards... When the game was first announced for a western release I made a topic in the PS3 board thinking it might only get a few hits and most people would say "wtf?" and move on, however to my surprise my SB3 topic got 90+ replies! Not bad for a site crammed with FPS nuts and generally a western prefered gaming crowd. Then eklineage (don't know if he/she still posts here) went as far to make an official topic and every thing was all great for the next 48 hours... then nothing, the topic died after a couple of days and it's been gone ever since, no one even remembers SB3 now after all the intial hype. With this latest update I've though about resurrecting the topic, but why bother if it only gets updated every 6 weeks?? How the hell do Capcom aim to generate hype and publicity for the game with their current release pattern??
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:39 am Post #1467 |
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Hehehe... I guess Iīm the second one Well, the problem is, we all have to work for money. We use money to buy things, like SB3. If I give them 60 bucks for a game I want something for it. I understand the production costs raise the price a little. I understand that designers, developers, programmers, etc. have to be paid and thus thereīs a price for it. But WE ALSO pay for the marketing and advertising. Trademarks would be much cheaper if it werenīt for the expensive advertising costs. You know, Coca Cola as a good TV commercials and good other marketing strategys. I donīt regret buying it instead of the cheaper "no name" copy thanks to the less expensinve marketing. But for that marketing strategy of CAPCOMīs BASARA 3? I donīt like paying for crap
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| Manta Punk | Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:41 am Post #1468 |
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Hmm, I don't really know what I could say on this situation. True, perhaps its Hokuto Musou making Kobayashi scared to reveal new info as it might get over shadowed, but the long droughts aren't good for new comers and the loyal fans who'll definitely buy the game no matter what, such as myself and you guys. I know HnK is pretty big and has a good size fanbase, but, like DK said, BASARA 3 will most likely be released with other big titles such as FFXIII and GoW3, which will easily over shadow it, especially outside of Japan. This is why I'm thinking its a little odd to be scared of HM when it's going to have to compete with games so much bigger than it... My guess is that they're trying to bide time. True, if it keeps up like this we won't have as many characters as we would have wanted, but we are pretty far from release if it's going to hit around March. I'm thinking they might change the update pattern as we get closer to the games arrival... So again, I wouldn't worry too much. Perhaps this wait would be easier if you had your favourite character already comfirmed... perhaps Hisahide, DK? Anyway, I wonder if you'll be able to fit all of the characters in your sig
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:07 am Post #1469 |
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I allready had a sig planned for 40 characters. But now that itīs going to be around 30+ characters(hopefully) itīs going to look even better(well itīs just all the characters in rows) Well youīre right MP, if Hisahide were announced...or Mototada But Nana would be a beginning. Even though itīs no use. I canīt controll the update pattern so...as long as Hisahideīs there and weīll have 30+ characters, Iīll be satisfied at the end. But again, we all have to pay for the guy who plans the updates and who is responsible for marketing. And, again, I donīt like to pay crap
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| Crimsondramon | Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:29 pm Post #1470 |
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http://videogamerx.gamedonga.co.kr/zbxe/1301042 All the updated screens and character images on the SB3 site can be found here ( I think ) Just updating ya incase any of you want to use the images or anything ^^"
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| BlackKite | Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:26 pm Post #1471 |
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Whoa, all of a sudden the morale in this topic hits rock bottom again. ![]() Actually I too am disappointed with this kind of information batch interval, but guess I managed to convert that into a great anticipation on Hokuto Musou. So I'll be off reading the HnK manga more. But speaking of which, there could be a possibility that HM might be released as late as February in Japan since apparently in an interview KOEI said that they are planning to release it this winter. This could be a real challenge for Capcom if they are planning to release SB3 within the current fiscal year indeed. Anyway, to prevent the morale from falling even lower, here's an interesting observation from the pics in CDM's link. Anyone noticed that Yoshitsugu is fighting the Uesugi army? In a snowy field?? I wonder what does this mean.
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| Matsunaga Hisahide | Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:56 pm Post #1472 |
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So the question is, who will he be fighting? It sounds like Kenshin if you ask me But Kanetsugu or Kagekatsu could be a ice user too, so a snowy field would fit them as well. Well, itīs a ray of hope
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| HokutoNoBen | Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:02 pm Post #1473 |
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Makes sense, on Koei's end. Their usual pattern seems to be, as of late, to basically like so: by the time the game is officially unveiled, they start the hype train now, and the game stands to be out within 3-6 months. February would be VERY good timing for me, since I want that game YESTERDAY, but it does do a lot to support my fears relating to SB3, too. It's going to be facing enough in the way of competition outside of its genre, without something like Kenshiro being there to possibly further take away prospective Japanese fans. But we'll see. I'm sure BASARA's many fangirls are nonplussed by Hokuto Musou, but the fairly small male demographic may be up to having a number of "defectors". As for the Uesugi? Well, I'm thinking that if "Lord Awesome" is indisposed, Kenshin might be likewise. That would definitely set a nice stage for Kagekatsu... |
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| Manta Punk | Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:24 pm Post #1474 |
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Hmm, the Uesugi eh? Thats no suprise. But what I'm shocked about is to why Mitsunari and Yoshitsugu are attacking them. I mean, wasn't the Uesugi part of the Western army? I'm thinking Capcom have been toying around with history again. Well, if Kanetsugu is added, that'll mean I have my two favourite samurai in. Go on Capcom, make this my game of forever
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| HokutoNoBen | Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:49 pm Post #1475 |
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Well, they did tout something along the lines of how you would be able to "choose your side", and gave rise to how you could possibly play through the game different ways. Maybe you, as the main character, may have to actually throw down with the "swayable" people you want on your team. |
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(it will be even worse if they confirm Kenshin cut, he can't be gone! HE CAN'T!
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